Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.6.1 Build 10B504 to Developers [Archive]

MacRumors

Sep 8, 2009, 09:17 PM

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MacRumors has received word that Apple has seeded a new version of Mac OS X 10.6.1, Build 10B504, to developers this evening. The new build, which has appeared approximately one week after the initial seed of OS X 10.6.1 (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/03/some-details-on-first-mac-os-x-10-6-1-seed-build-10b503/), carries only a single increment in build number over the previous build.

Build 10B504 reportedly addresses only two documented issues, one related to crashing of Desktop Services in Finder, and a second related to excessive "dyld shared cache" Console messages. The dyld Console entries issue was the only known issue detailed in the seed notes of the previous build, and no such known issues are documented in Build 10B504.

Article Link: Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.6.1 Build 10B504 to Developers (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/08/apple-seeds-mac-os-x-10-6-1-build-10b504-to-developers/)

AppleMatt

Sep 8, 2009, 09:21 PM

Is crashing Desktop Services that really annoying thing where the Desktop icons can't be clicked/selected etc. until you've logged out and in or 'killall Finder'?

AppleMatt

MTShipp

Sep 8, 2009, 09:21 PM

They seem to fixin' stuff that I am not having issues with. So far, SL mostly works fine for me. I did have one message popup on my iMac telling me an error occurred and needed to be powered off. The keyboard and mouse were dead until the reboot.

My mini has not experienced any problems.

Guess I am lucky or not "power user" enough.

fun173

Sep 8, 2009, 09:23 PM

hope it doesent beachball like 10.6

MarkCooz

Sep 8, 2009, 09:25 PM

Hope they fix the bluetooth problems for phones.

aardwolf

Sep 8, 2009, 09:26 PM

I guess Apple is rolling it out to users in waves. I'm annoyed that MacRumors can post about it before I ever get the option to download it...

pounce

Sep 8, 2009, 09:26 PM

hoping they fix the issue with external dvd burners and snow leopard. mine is totally farked up now and i could really use it.

NewSc2

Sep 8, 2009, 09:30 PM

I hope they fix the opening of multiple items.

Previewing multiple pictures, or selecting multiple videos to open in VLC will result in maybe 3 or 4 getting queued in, out of 15-20 total.

cocky jeremy

Sep 8, 2009, 09:30 PM

I hope they keep improving Safari. I just had Safari crash (all together, not plugin) twice in a row while trying to reply to a Facebook message. (No other tabs open) Pretty pathetic.. blah! :mad:

The Samurai

Sep 8, 2009, 09:30 PM

They seem to fixin' stuff that I am not having issues with.

+1 ;)

Need Logitech to get their act together and bring updates to their mice range. Its driving me nuts.

irishgrizzly

Sep 8, 2009, 09:33 PM

I hope they fix the opening of multiple items.

Previewing multiple pictures, or selecting multiple videos to open in VLC will result in maybe 3 or 4 getting queued in, out of 15-20 total.

This could be something a VLC update will fix.

DUSTmurph

Sep 8, 2009, 09:35 PM

i hope they fix issues with ctrl zoom. Thats the only issue in SL that really bothers me.

IBradMac

Sep 8, 2009, 09:37 PM

*crossing fingers for an Airport connectivity fix. / :o

KingYaba

Sep 8, 2009, 09:39 PM

Soooooo where's my list view (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8421554&postcount=3)?

WhoPhD

Sep 8, 2009, 09:40 PM

Frankly, I hope they fix my only bug:

I CAN'T RUN SOFTWARE UPDATE!

In fact, it's an Installer bug. Every package will crash Installer early in the process, after a package is selected and (in the case of Adobe Flash updater) after the initial dialog appears.

This is an Epic Fail, catch-22. I installed over Tiger, but it's a really standard Mac Mini, a pretty boring system with no third-party peripherals. (Seriously, I wish they had left the "Archive and Install" feature in there ... this would have avoided the problem, amirite?)

CK.

PS, Safari crashes on launch too. I've sent a ton of crash reports :-)

c-t-m

Sep 8, 2009, 09:44 PM

I have this problem on two of three Macs I installed 10.6 on:

Look at folders in your home folder in Column View. Try dragging one to your desktop. It doesn't MOVE the folder, it COPIES it.

This happens even after the archive & install.

I have this issue on my 2.23 Air and the 2 x 2.8 Mac Pro. The 2.1 20" iMac does not.

fletch33

Sep 8, 2009, 09:45 PM

*crossing fingers for an Airport connectivity fix. / :o

+1

besides the fact that i cant update my Mini due to Plex problems the airport issues on my Macbook have been annoying.

MikhailT

Sep 8, 2009, 09:48 PM

I guess Apple is rolling it out to users in waves. I'm annoyed that MacRumors can post about it before I ever get the option to download it...

??
This has nothing to do with users. They are seeding to developers, only developers in ADC program can download this.

+1 ;)

Need Logitech to get their act together and bring updates to their mice range. Its driving me nuts.
http://forums.logitech.com/logitech/board/message?board.id=macmice&thread.id=2193
Should be out this month, hopefully. it is the only software that isn't 64bit on my mac. Until that is out, I am still running SL in 32bit. Little Snitch finally has a beta of 2.2 that is 64bit capable.

Frankly, I hope they fix my only bug:

I CAN'T RUN SOFTWARE UPDATE!

In fact, it's an Installer bug. Every package will crash Installer early in the process, after a package is selected and (in the case of Adobe Flash updater) after the initial dialog appears.

This is an Epic Fail, catch-22. I installed over Tiger, but it's a really standard Mac Mini, a pretty boring system. (Seriously, I wish they had left the "Archive and Install" feature in there ... this would have avoided the problem, amirite?)

CK.

Why don't you just archive your own stuff and do an erase and install instead. It is much better this way, i think you just have a corrupted install since you upgraded from Tiger.

steve123

Sep 8, 2009, 09:49 PM

This could be something a VLC update will fix.

I've seen this problem elsewhere in SL. As I recall, when I was using Finder to copy more than 5 files from one disk to another.

goobot

Sep 8, 2009, 10:08 PM

i cant upload youtube vids:mad:

not even with quicktime x:(

AidenShaw

Sep 8, 2009, 10:10 PM

i cant upload youtube vids:mad:

not even with quicktime x:(

we're thankful.... ;)

alexandero

Sep 8, 2009, 10:17 PM

okay, so 10.6.1. will be available via Software Update together with a new iTunes (Cocoa based?) by tomorrow. It seems to be a smaller update that has been prepared for a while and includes the stuff we shall not see before tomorrows presentation.

Let's hope 10.6.2 will be out soon to fix the ton of bugs, inconsistencies, annoyances (huge grid icons for app folder in dock) and missing features (small example, Quicktime X: A/V controls).

PS: I really want to revert to the old Exposé which properly cared about the window size when scaling and kept the important windows larger than smaller controls (VLC, Safari downloads,...).

Lyra

Sep 8, 2009, 10:17 PM

On my MacMini CoreDuo 1.83, the hard disk spins out of control lately, I'm doing nothing, special... like writing this email, it stops mid sentence and the beach ball suddenly appears and all you hear is the hard disk spin, spin and spin and spin some more... and all the while I can't do a thing!

I don't know why but it's getting worse and worse...

anyone know of a fix or a reason for this?
:confused:

jorditordera

Sep 8, 2009, 10:17 PM

+1 ;)

Need Logitech to get their act together and bring updates to their mice range. Its driving me nuts.

I had the same problem with my MX Revolution Logitech mouse, but this is what I found in a forum:

Righte-click the LCC Installer (ver.3.0) and select “Show Package Contents”

Navigate to Contents > Resources > Logitech Control Center.mpkg and run this file

The installer will run and then request a reboot.

It worked great with me. Still the Expose and Spaces did not work. But there is a workaround: if you COPY (not move) the Expose and Spaces files from the Utilities folder to the Applications folder, everything will work great.

Now I am using my Logitech mouse flawlessly and the wait for the official update is more bearable:)

SeanJE

Sep 8, 2009, 10:18 PM

Is anyone else by me having trouble airport? Ever since I upgraded, I along with a roommate with the same MacBook model bought summer '07 cannot access the internet from our network using an airport extreme. I can connect to most other networks, some using airport expresses. Why are we both having the same problem? My roommate also has a new iMac, and that works fine with the wireless network. I have done a factory restart on the router as well.

thanks

zapblast

Sep 8, 2009, 10:18 PM

I hope it'll have an update for Safari. Some page elements on some sites no longer render--like on Ebay.

Eidorian

Sep 8, 2009, 10:21 PM

I really hope they resolve the Open/Save dialog issues soon.

Ledgem

Sep 8, 2009, 10:36 PM

PS: I really want to revert to the old Exposé which properly cared about the window size when scaling and kept the important windows larger than smaller controls (VLC, Safari downloads,...).
Same here. If it's bothering you, please write about it on Apple's feedback page for Mac OS X (http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html). If enough people write about it, it makes the issue a priority for a fix (according to some Apple engineers, or so I've heard). In the past, issues that raised a big stink (Bluetooth audio in particular) caused a lot of people to write in, and tweaks were delivered regularly until the issues were resolved.

That goes for everyone, of course. If there's a bug or an issue that you're not happy with, write in. What do you have to lose? Heck, most of you are already writing up the complaints here - just copy and paste (and perhaps add a little more detail) :p

swissmann

Sep 8, 2009, 10:53 PM

Hoping it helps people with troubleshooting - I'd like to report that I have not had any of the problems that have been listed in this forum so far. Snow Leopard's been like a dream for me. I went back to my list of gripes and problems I had when Leopard came out and they have ALL been fixed since then.

I have had a couple of glitches. When I network and delete a folder across the network Finder doesn't know where to put me since the folder I was in doesn't exist anymore so sometimes it kicks me back to the root of the networked computer.

Mail sometimes will save a draft of an email even though there is another version that sent.

Other than that no problems and I love the speed, look, feel, etc. Hope other get bugs worked out.

WhoPhD

Sep 8, 2009, 10:57 PM

??
Why don't you just archive your own stuff and do an erase and install instead. It is much better this way, i think you just have a corrupted install since you upgraded from Tiger.

Sure I can. Though it's harder than it used to be, so I haven't bothered yet.

Think about the "typical" user, whom I'm rooting for. I want this Snow Leopard to work (yeah, Apple flew me to WWDC a couple of times, so I owe them).

How are they supposed to do "archive and install" if even I find it a pain in the ass? :-)

I'm going to wait until 10.6.1 or 10.6.2 to see if they fix this bug. It's pretty serious: Roll-back territory is the possibly most important type of bug.

Hopefully a bunch of debug log reports will help make a difference between now and then ... ?

CK.

twoodcc

Sep 8, 2009, 11:00 PM

got an email about this tonight. glad to see it

MacAndy74

Sep 8, 2009, 11:18 PM

Good to read that Apple are working on a new update. Honestly, I haven't found any problems with my Snow Leopard install on the MacBook Pro. :D

Shadow%20Mac

Sep 8, 2009, 11:21 PM

I guess Apple is rolling it out to users in waves. I'm annoyed that MacRumors can post about it before I ever get the option to download it...

Did you read the title? It has been seeded to developers ONLY. In a similar manner to iPhone OS 3.1, which has only been seeded to iPhone developers.

Shadow%20Mac

Sep 8, 2009, 11:25 PM

i hope they fix issues with ctrl zoom. Thats the only issue in SL that really bothers me.

What issues are you having with control + scroll zoom? It seems to work fine, if not better for me. I suggest the following alternative:

Enable Zoom: Option + Command + 8
Zoom In: Option + Command + (+)
Zoom Out: Option + Command + (-)
Disable Zoom: Option + Command + 8

Hope this works for you!

mex4eric

Sep 8, 2009, 11:25 PM

While dragging a new version of an app into the Application folder, I got the Finder move pop-up telling me it could not complete the operation because the file was in use. In fact it wasn't and secondly, I thought Snow Leopard was going to correct these messages by telling us who was using it and it didn't. I did an option-command-escape to bring up the Force quit window and the app in question was not running in that view either, so, while it was up, I did a Finder restart instead and then tried my move again and it worked.

Weird! Maybe that will be fixed in 10.6.1. Otherwise 10.6 is working beautifully for me.

mdriftmeyer

Sep 8, 2009, 11:30 PM

I hope it'll have an update for Safari. Some page elements on some sites no longer render--like on Ebay.

Downloaded the latest WebKit Nightly:

http://nightly.webkit.org/

See if you still have this problem. If so, file a radr bug.

danr_97070

Sep 8, 2009, 11:33 PM

I'm not sure what's happening at Apple with OS development (perhaps they're focusing on the iPhone too much), but IMHO Snow Leopard is the buggiest software I've seen yet. Specifically:

* Remote volumes disappear when attempting to access them from a save dialog. Canceling out of the dialog and application and then re-invoking fixes the problem.

* Odd problems with various installers (e.g., iLife '09). The installers hang, need to be "force quit"-ed, then re-started.

* Random windows opening. For instance, I was attempting to install iLife '09 and it caused iTunes to open. What the heck is going on here?

* I exported some video with chapter markers and found out later the chapter markers typed in English were appearing in Chinese. Unicode problem?

Granted there is a lot to be hopeful for. Some speed improvements, less load on the processors when working with video, etc. But, did it really need to ship early in this state?

I for one hope that the "seeded update" has more in it than what's been mentioned. Additionally, I hope that there are some good software and QA developers at Apple working hard to make it right asap.

Today I've also received a "survey" which seems to imply they're going to start removing software. The survey was asking a lot of questions around iDVD. I happen to use the tool quite a lot; I hope it continues to work and be supported.

Also, what's happening with tools like Logic Studio. The recent departures of a senior engineer from that project leave me worried for the platform. Is Apple becoming focused only on the iPhone? Perhaps they should change their name to Apple Telephone & E-mail.

My recommendation to those of you out there still considering installing Snow Leopard... wait a bit longer until there have been several patches.

truz

Sep 8, 2009, 11:40 PM

Good to read that Apple are working on a new update. Honestly, I haven't found any problems with my Snow Leopard install on the MacBook Pro. :D

+1

I did an upgrade and had the spinning beach ball when opening safari and mail.. said screw it and did a 7-pass format/clean install and everything works flawless.

No safari crash, no mail crash, no problems loading pages, it just works. :-)

kunze50

Sep 9, 2009, 12:07 AM

10.6.1 must fix the fan/heating issues that many users are experiencing when playing flash video and video chatting in iChat.

DUSTmurph

Sep 9, 2009, 12:14 AM

What issues are you having with control + scroll zoom? It seems to work fine, if not better for me. I suggest the following alternative:

Enable Zoom: Option + Command + 8
Zoom In: Option + Command + (+)
Zoom Out: Option + Command + (-)
Disable Zoom: Option + Command + 8

Hope this works for you!

Whenever I'm zoomed in on something for a good 30 seconds, the cursor will jerk to the bottom of the screen for no reason, even when I'm not even touching the mouse or typing. Thanks for the tips though, I'll have to try them out to see if they work any better.

BTW

Sep 9, 2009, 12:17 AM

It will be nice if this comes out by the end of the month. We need stability issues addressed. Would like more printer drivers from HP included. ;)

danr_97070

Sep 9, 2009, 12:38 AM

It will be nice if this comes out by the end of the month. We need stability issues addressed. Would like more printer drivers from HP included. ;)

I forgot to mention the issues I had with printing to my HP laser printer, but now that you brought it up (and this is intended to perhaps help others with similar problems), I selected the alternative (not recommended) driver and was able to get my printer working.

Is this Apple's Vista?

BWhaler

Sep 9, 2009, 12:42 AM

My "WTF Apple, Please fix this List:"

1. Fans and heat on laptop. Especially when playing video in Safari

2. Safari gives the spinning pizza randomly when opening new tab or window.

3. Sound randomly becoming muffled.

GreatDrok

Sep 9, 2009, 12:47 AM

I want Java 5 back. Sure, I can copy it over from Leopard and get it going (and have done so) but I would rather have it installed and kept up to date as part of my Snow Leopard install. I like Java 6 and all but I have stuff which relies on Java 5.

RED™

Sep 9, 2009, 12:54 AM

okay, so 10.6.1. will be available via Software Update together with a new iTunes (Cocoa based?) by tomorrow.

what makes you so sure about it? I really would not expect 10.6.1 by tomorrow, it's only been 2.5 weeks since release of snowy kitty.

bogg

Sep 9, 2009, 12:55 AM

Wirelessly posted (HTC_Touch_Pro_T7272 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 7.11))

i think its funny how all of you complain about bugs...but not a single one of you are experiencing the same bug as another.

"my" bug: when using spotlight finder crashes, dragging the dock and almost all other applications with it... if i clear the search field directly after getting the reult i wanted it is all Ok...

yey

andy721

Sep 9, 2009, 01:38 AM

What about switching from Windoews using bootcamp to MAC OS X the system preferences sound for internal speakers does not save every reboot.

I have to lower the internal speakers everytime I restart to go into MAC OS X from WINDOWS.
When I come back from Windows to mac os x I look in the system prefs under sounds and the damn internal speakers are set to full volume again, this wasn't a problem in the previous build of MAC OS X.

I don't think it's bootcamp.

PS: I am using Optical Audio BTW

thestaton

Sep 9, 2009, 01:39 AM

No mention of a DNS fix? *sigh...

space1nvaders

Sep 9, 2009, 01:46 AM

I installed this update and Apple Mail did not work. It came up with a message saying it won't work with this version so I reinstalled the previous seed 10B503 and Mail works again.

tigerphilosophy

Sep 9, 2009, 01:46 AM

I have had a couple of glitches. Mail sometimes will save a draft of an email even though there is another version that sent.

Me too - [1] mail puts extra copies into the draft folder.
[2] forgets Time Capsule wireless password.
[3] wireless signal to MacBook Pro fluctuates (was stable before).
[4] mail did not like pasting in a specific weblink - crashed.
[5] snow leopard forgot that I DO have quicktime installed - had to download Perian 1.1.4 to make movies play.

ScottDrummer

Sep 9, 2009, 01:47 AM

No mention of a DNS fix? *sigh...

Have any of your guys experiencing these bugs actually submitted them to Apple? They are not mind readers and if they didn't QA these bugs the first time round they are obviously unaware of them until someone tells them.

Don't think its a waste of time either, I submitted a small and uncommon bug in 10.5 and it got fixed in 10.6, I had an email from the devs to say it was now resolved. Whether this was a coincidence or not it got fixed.

Submit your bugs, rather than winging about them on a forum.

iMaggot

Sep 9, 2009, 01:50 AM

Apple has a long way to go with SL, I hope the fix all the issues with this OS soon.

yoavcs

Sep 9, 2009, 01:55 AM

got an email about this tonight. glad to see it

Whoa. Was this the standard automated form email sent out to everyone who pays cash to register as a dev? Or did you get like a special email direct from Jobso, the kind reserved only for Special Devs(tm) with Insider Connections(R)?

macintoshtoffy

Sep 9, 2009, 02:07 AM

what makes you so sure about it? I really would not expect 10.6.1 by tomorrow, it's only been 2.5 weeks since release of snowy kitty.

Snow Leopard was GM on 13 August.

What planet does the time period from 13 August to 9 September translate into 2.5 weeks? No honestly, I am concerned - tell me about this 'new maths' that you're employing RED™ because I haven't got that memo yet.

MartiNZ

Sep 9, 2009, 02:13 AM

I'm reduced to hoping that iTunes 9 may solve the problems with the iTunes dashboard widget, given that I've been submitting bugs in OS X feedback for them since Tiger came out, to no avail.

On other matters, if they're going to stick with the new delays in loading in open/save dialogs, it would be nice to have a progress wheel at least.

heisetax

Sep 9, 2009, 02:18 AM

I hope they keep improving Safari. I just had Safari crash (all together, not plugin) twice in a row while trying to reply to a Facebook message. (No other tabs open) Pretty pathetic.. blah! :mad:

My copy of Safari under 10.5.6 crashes whenever it tries to open a pdf download. My copy of 10.6.0 on another partition on my Intel Mac Pro did the download of a pdf file without crashing. But rather than having a black triangle pointing to the right it displayed the copy right symbol, the letter c with a circle around it. Small font problem, but still a problem.

FireFox works correctly under both partitions.

RED™

Sep 9, 2009, 02:53 AM

Snow Leopard was GM on 13 August.

What planet does the time period from 13 August to 9 September translate into 2.5 weeks? No honestly, I am concerned - tell me about this 'new maths' that you're employing RED™ because I haven't got that memo yet.

Excuse me Mr. maths genius, you don't seem to have read my post correctly - I was talking about the RELEASE an August 28, NOT about GM. And that makes my 2.5 weeks! Geez!

And before you say anything about the rumor 10A432 being GM before actual release - for me the actual release was on August 28 and I did not count on the rumors which stated 10A432 GM, just so you know ;)

Truffy

Sep 9, 2009, 03:08 AM

...I thought 10.6 was supposed to concentrate on stability rather than major new features. Seems to me that they got the second part licked.

Yes, I realise SL introduces exciting new concepts like grand central and Exchange support (be still my beating heart), but nothing that the average man or woman on the street is going to give a damn about.

iBug2

Sep 9, 2009, 03:15 AM

WhoPhD

Sep 9, 2009, 03:49 AM

Enable Zoom: Option + Command + 8
Zoom In: Option + Command + (+)
Zoom Out: Option + Command + (-)
Disable Zoom: Option + Command + 8

I can highly recommend allocating your mouse's scrollup/scrolldown buttons to this. What? You don't have a Logitech MX1000? ;)

CK.

Manderby

Sep 9, 2009, 04:20 AM

Whenever I'm zoomed in on something for a good 30 seconds, the cursor will jerk to the bottom of the screen for no reason, even when I'm not even touching the mouse or typing. Thanks for the tips though, I'll have to try them out to see if they work any better.

I experience this a lot even without zooming. The cursor suddenly runs quickly to the bottom left corner. In our office, all computers using a mighty mouse experience this kind of problem. I presume it's the mighty mouse which has an error in the optical tracking.

Heijtink

Sep 9, 2009, 04:44 AM

+1

I did an upgrade and had the spinning beach ball when opening safari and mail.. said screw it and did a 7-pass format/clean install and everything works flawless.

No safari crash, no mail crash, no problems loading pages, it just works. :-)

?? Why a 7-pass? You only do that for security reasons. So people can't recover data from a supposedly formatted disc. A normal format would have had the same results you are experiencing now.

Heijtink

Sep 9, 2009, 04:50 AM

Submit your bugs, rather than winging about them on a forum.

I love winging on this forum :p

andrewclarke2

Sep 9, 2009, 04:51 AM

Excuse me Mr. maths genius, you don't seem to have read my post correctly - I was talking about the RELEASE an August 28, NOT about GM. And that makes my 2.5 weeks! Geez!

And before you say anything about the rumor 10A432 being GM before actual release - for me the actual release was on August 28 and I did not count on the rumors which stated 10A432 GM, just so you know ;)

Friday 28th August to Wednesday 9th Spetember is 2.5 Weeks??????

Anyway I was chatting to a friend of mine who works for Apple in Regent Street, London. Whilst telling her about my wireless problems and after the SL update my MBA not being able to hold a signal she said "Don't worry an 10.6.1 will be released next week."

Now this was on Sunday 6th September, nearly three weeks ago :) so the question is did she mean this week or next week.

She did not tell me anymore and said she has put her foot in it already.

Ivan P

Sep 9, 2009, 04:57 AM

Friday 28th August to Wednesday 9th Spetember is 2.5 Weeks??????

Anyway I was chatting to a friend of mine who works for Apple in Regent Street, London. Whilst telling her about my wireless problems and after the SL update my MBA not being able to hold a signal she said "Don't worry an 10.6.1 will be released next week."

Now this was on Sunday 6th September, nearly three weeks ago :) so the question is did she mean this week or next week.

She did not tell me anymore and said she has put her foot in it already.

Apple does not tell their retail staff when product updates, let alone mere downloadable software updates, are going to be available. They find out when the rest of the world finds out, basically.

While dragging a new version of an app into the Application folder, I got the Finder move pop-up telling me it could not complete the operation because the file was in use. In fact it wasn't and secondly, I thought Snow Leopard was going to correct these messages by telling us who was using it and it didn't.

That's for ejecting removable drives - for example, if you try and eject it while something is copying to it, it will tell you exactly what app is currently writing to the disc.

EDIT: Before the trolls get in, I've reported my own post so that it gets merged with my above one, don't worry *eyeroll*

exscape

Sep 9, 2009, 05:16 AM

*sigh* Wish I would've waited to upgrade...
Here are the bugs I've submitted so far:

Spotlight/Dictionary:
"When searching for a word in the dictionary using Spotlight, and then selecting the entry to open in Dictionary.app, sometimes multiple windows open; the frontmost being the word you just looked up, and the background windows being words you've looked up previously using the same method.
This started in 10.6, and did not occur in 10.5.8."

iCal:
#1: "At times (not every time) an alarm appears, it seems to show a reminder for each time I've clicked the "show again in X minutes" button, since July or so (I don't know of anything special about that month, by the way, my Leopard install and my calendar is much older than that), but I'm not certain of it."
#2: "After upgrading to Snow Leopard, I noticed that my iCal alarms weren't firing off as they should (I have numerous reminders that reoccur at the same time every day). After a minute of investigation, I noticed that they had all been changed from "x minutes before" to "at date: 28/08/2009", hence not showing any alarms when they were supposed to. I changed them all back to "x minutes before", but a few days later most of them returned to "at date" between 29/08 and 01/09 (yesterday as of this writing). I can only suppose that this will keep reoccuring, thus making my alarms essentially useless since I cannot trust them any more."

Mail:
"It appears that all message subjects, RSS or email, in all and any mailboxes, turn blue in the message list view after viewing a mailbox that contains an "UPDATED" RSS entry (shown in blue).
Remedy: Restart Mail.app (but make sure that the UPDATED message isn't displayed, or the bug will reoccur until it is no longer displayed)."

-----

I can't reproduce the Mail bug any more, but I've found the iCal #2 bug to recur about every damn DAY, forcing me to repair my alarms almost daily. Also, it appears to display one reminder for each time you "snooze" it, and by the time it's displayed more than one at the same time (bug #1), the alarms are back to "at date".

Oh, and (this I haven't submitted), when reverting the alarms, the procedure is:
1) Double click alarm and click edit
2) Select "minutes before" instead of "at date"
3) Click "all future alarms"
4) Repeat step 2 since it didn't change the first time
5) Repeat steps 1-4 for the other 5 alarms...

andrewclarke2

Sep 9, 2009, 05:36 AM

Apple does not tell their retail staff when product updates, let alone mere downloadable software updates, are going to be available. They find out when the rest of the world finds out, basically.

She is not retail staff and Regent Street is not just an Apple Retail Outlet.

odedia

Sep 9, 2009, 05:46 AM

Am I the only one experiencing weird lines and graphics gliches with 10.6? I have a white iMac with a Geforce 8600 GPU.

I wonder if this is a software issue or a hardware issue...

skate71290

Sep 9, 2009, 06:03 AM

Is crashing Desktop Services that really annoying thing where the Desktop icons can't be clicked/selected etc. until you've logged out and in or 'killall Finder'?

AppleMatt

never happened with me finder seems to be fine on my MBA Rev A (which has to be the slowest mac ever built) i still can't close windows with the red traffic light?

is the dyld shared cache important, because if i try to much on the MBA everything comes to a halt and doesn't speed up unless i restart the Air (if i run Quicktime and Safari simultaneously)?? thanks only 7 hours to the media event

Am I the only one experiencing weird lines and graphics gliches with 10.6? I have a white iMac with a Geforce 8600 GPU.

I wonder if this is a software issue or a hardware issue...

black lines that change if you change the selected applcation window? i restarted my laptop (Rev A MBA) and it hasn't done it since

fhall1

Sep 9, 2009, 07:27 AM

Same here. If it's bothering you, please write about it on Apple's feedback page for Mac OS X (http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html). If enough people write about it, it makes the issue a priority for a fix (according to some Apple engineers, or so I've heard). In the past, issues that raised a big stink (Bluetooth audio in particular) caused a lot of people to write in, and tweaks were delivered regularly until the issues were resolved.

That goes for everyone, of course. If there's a bug or an issue that you're not happy with, write in. What do you have to lose? Heck, most of you are already writing up the complaints here - just copy and paste (and perhaps add a little more detail) :p

I hope all you folks that took the time to detail your bugs here, also took the above advice and sent them to Apple.

duncyboy

Sep 9, 2009, 07:59 AM

Another thing to bear in mind is that the list of fixes is by no means exhaustive. Those of you who don't see your particular bugbear listed, it doesn't necessarily mean they won't fix it in the update.

Submit your bugs, rather than winging about them on a forum.

Can't we do both? ;)

Shintocam

Sep 9, 2009, 08:14 AM

Is crashing Desktop Services that really annoying thing where the Desktop icons can't be clicked/selected etc. until you've logged out and in or 'killall Finder'?

AppleMatt

I'm not sure but I hope not. I've not yet made the jump to SL (waiting for .1) but on my MBP (2.4 SR) I get this all the time in Leopard. Less so since 10.5.7 but it used to happen a lot to me. Very annoying.

Talcon

Sep 9, 2009, 08:20 AM

I wish that they would include the fix for Directory Services. The client binds to Active Directory, but if you try to login with any domain account, it just kicks back and the logs say "could not get the user record <username> from Directory Services."

benthewraith

Sep 9, 2009, 08:21 AM

Soooooo where's my list view (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8421554&postcount=3)?

You mean column view right? That's already in List View.

mvasilakis

Sep 9, 2009, 08:23 AM

Is crashing Desktop Services that really annoying thing where the Desktop icons can't be clicked/selected etc. until you've logged out and in or 'killall Finder'?

AppleMatt

I've had this issue since 10.5.x. In my search for a solution it seems that if I leave a directory or smart folder minimized in the dock or a smart folder open for a day or so this happens. Closing all open finder windows & smart folders seems to set things right again.

I have not seen this behavior in 10.6 so I cannot attest that my "solution" works in SL.

Good Luck
Mano

spriter

Sep 9, 2009, 08:37 AM

Soooooo where's my list view (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8421554&postcount=3)?

http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=2009083113534843

djchuckc27

Sep 9, 2009, 08:39 AM

i need iDisk to load quicker.

Bubba Satori

Sep 9, 2009, 08:58 AM

I'm not sure what's happening at Apple with OS development (perhaps they're focusing on the iPhone too much).

Yes, they are.

Leopard and Leopard service pack one are turning into a real Vista moment. Customers are really getting fed up. I'm getting tired of dealing with it. "I thought this computer would just work".The Apple store up the street has a three week wait for a genius, so folks walk in and we take care of them right away and we're the sales staff.

All the hardware & OS issues of the last couple of years are going to come back to haunt Apple.

Michael73

Sep 9, 2009, 09:09 AM

i hope they fix issues with ctrl zoom. Thats the only issue in SL that really bothers me.

+1

Also, is anyone else experiencing SLOWER than Leopard sleep and shut down times? Sometimes I have to click on sleep 2X before it responds and even then it can take 15 - 30 seconds. :confused:

RichardI

Sep 9, 2009, 09:19 AM

katewes

Sep 9, 2009, 09:24 AM

HowEver

Sep 9, 2009, 09:30 AM

And for the millions of us experiencing no bugs at all in Snow Leopard... a characteristic week of silence.

As you were.

j33pd0g

Sep 9, 2009, 09:37 AM

In Leopard, if you were not using searches in the SEARCH FOR section of the sidebar, the SEARCH FOR label would not vanish. Has this bug been fixed with Snow Leopard? If not, add that to the list. Some may argue that it isn't a bug, but I have to ask, how the heck is it a feature? Since I never use it, I'd like to not see it.

TheSpaz

Sep 9, 2009, 09:43 AM

Yes, they are.

Leopard and Leopard service pack one are turning into a real Vista moment. Customers are really getting fed up. I'm getting tired of dealing with it. "I thought this computer would just work".The Apple store up the street has a three week wait for a genius, so folks walk in and we take care of them right away and we're the sales staff.

All the hardware & OS issues of the last couple of years are going to come back to haunt Apple.

My computer is running great! I couldn't be happier with Snow Leopard. I love it. Works like a dream.

BrianSullivan

Sep 9, 2009, 09:43 AM

Xenomorph

Sep 9, 2009, 09:45 AM

I had no idea so many people were having issues with 10.6.

I haven't had a single issue since upgrading to 10.6. I'm using a 2.16 GHz, 15" MacBook Pro.

Are you all sure it's not just YOUR system? Did you try a clean install to make sure it really is a problem with 10.6?

I upgraded from 10.5.8 to 10.6, and everything works fine. In fact, after a full system defrag (yes, Macs can get heavily fragmented), I cut about 40 seconds off my boot time and so now the system is running better than it did just a few weeks ago.

lssmit02

Sep 9, 2009, 09:46 AM

Wow. This sounds like a Windows Vista forum. I think Apple needs to stop running those "funny" ads.

I have a printer that is newer than my iMac and since I installed SL, it won't work at all. I can get a test page to print and that's all. Not exactly useful. Yep, tried all the stuff on their support site, checked with HP (I have a LaserJet P1505 - not exactly an old printer) for new drivers, nothing.
Come on, Apple how could you have released such a beta OS with so many obvious errors? Surely these things were tested?:(

Rich :cool:

I see that HP released this driver (http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownloadIndex?softwareitem=bi-54970-5&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en&os=219&product=3435668) driver on August 15, which I believe was after SL went GM. However no mention of compatibility with 10.6. I have the HP Photosmart Premium, and HP did update the driver to be compatible with SL. Looks like it's HP's holdup, not Apple's.

Bjohnson33

Sep 9, 2009, 09:46 AM

Wirelessly posted (HTC_Touch_Pro_T7272 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 7.11))

i think its funny how all of you complain about bugs...but not a single one of you are experiencing the same bug as another.

I wonder how many of these problems are a direct result of Snow Leopard, or the result of 3rd party software developers not having their code ready for the new OS?

Shintocam

Sep 9, 2009, 09:52 AM

In fact, after a full system defrag (yes, Macs can get heavily fragmented), I cut about 40 seconds off my boot time and so now the system is running better than it did just a few weeks ago.

Not according to Apple themselves.....http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1375?viewlocale=en_US

Well to be fair - they do say you can get fragmentation but they suggestion simply reinstalling everything (oh that's efficient). Out of curiosity what tool are you using to defrag your OSX drive? I'm convinced I need to do some sort of optimisation (partly because my drive is very full and thus prone to fragmentation) but do not want to back everything up and reinstall if I can avoid it.

darbyclash34

Sep 9, 2009, 09:52 AM

I hope they keep improving Safari. I just had Safari crash (all together, not plugin) twice in a row while trying to reply to a Facebook message. (No other tabs open) Pretty pathetic.. blah! :mad:

I've noticed that Facebook and Safari on Snow Leopard don't play very well together. I've had multiple crashes while trying to upload pics, etc.

lssmit02

Sep 9, 2009, 09:54 AM

+1

Also, is anyone else experiencing SLOWER than Leopard sleep and shut down times? Sometimes I have to click on sleep 2X before it responds and even then it can take 15 - 30 seconds. :confused:
Just tried it, 2-3 seconds, one click. Must be some process running in the background that's preventing your machine from sleeping. I had Safari, Mail, HP Device Manager, ScanSnap Manager, Boinc, Calculator, Pixelmator and my printer device running when I tested.

I have found the console to be incredibly useful in diagnosing incompatibilities. I had software installed that I had forgotten about that was not SL compatible. The console showed that each application was running a process every 5 seconds (VM Ware and Little Snitch). This killed my mac's performance. Uninstalled both, and the problem was solved.

Lyra

Sep 9, 2009, 09:59 AM

LorenCahlander

Sep 9, 2009, 10:16 AM

The initial release of Snow Leopard Server contains Subversion release 1.6.2. The svnsync for that release of Subversion contains a bug when syncing with a respository that has log messages with the 2 character end of line contained within. There is a newer release 1.6.5 that is out that does not have the bug.

Can someone check to see if the 10.6.1 update for Snow Leopard Server contains an update to Subversion?

rwilliams

Sep 9, 2009, 10:16 AM

I'm pretty disappointed in the fixes included in 10.6.1, but maybe the issues that I sent Apple feedback about (VPN, Apple Remote, wireless) will be addressed in 10.6.2.

RyanR.

Sep 9, 2009, 10:18 AM

Apple Store down @10:15 EST in the USA :eek: I didn't know that was gonna happen:p

TheSpaz

Sep 9, 2009, 10:20 AM

Eric S.

Sep 9, 2009, 10:31 AM

It will be nice if this comes out by the end of the month. We need stability issues addressed. Would like more printer drivers from HP included. ;)

It will be sooner than the end of the month. Give it one more week.

And if it doesn't serve me toast and coffee in bed I'm going back to sleep.

scroto

Sep 9, 2009, 10:44 AM

Admittedly, for someone who's realised the wisdom of not upgrading until 10.x.7 or thereabouts, it's been fun reading all the bugs people have been getting.

Now hear this. A real reason why Apple rushed Snow Leopard out so soon is that, in the following months, SL is going to get better and more refined so that when Windows 7 comes out, SL will have had a few point updates to make it relatively stable. Hence SL will be in a more refined state, whereas Windows 7 will be at the start of its public refinement curve. That will allow SL to be seen in the better light compared to Windows 7.

Whereas if SL had come out at the same time as Windows 7, SL's initial bugginess would make it seem on par with Windows 7's initial bugginess.

Folks, that's why Apple brought out SL early -- so that you guys could beta test it.

Even the initial beta release of W7 was very stable. W7 has been beta tested for months and MS didn't charge anybody for it.
How is releasing a buggy operating system early going to help it to be seen in a better light? I think your theory is ridiculous, OSX is supposed to "Just Work" and right now it's just not for everybody. Apple should take a look at releasing free public beta's like MS if they want to use costumers as guinea pigs.

Sambo110

Sep 9, 2009, 10:46 AM

Just tried it, 2-3 seconds, one click. Must be some process running in the background that's preventing your machine from sleeping. I had Safari, Mail, HP Device Manager, ScanSnap Manager, Boinc, Calculator, Pixelmator and my printer device running when I tested.

My iMac wakes up in about a second, shuts down in about 2-3 seconds and starts up fairly fast. No complaints at all with Snow Leopard, except Airport sometimes not working.

madog

Sep 9, 2009, 10:50 AM

There is a major difference between actual documented bugs with the OS, and problems that YOU are having. Random things will always happen with an OS upgrade, and it doesn't matter if "it was working fine before". That's actually what happens when something breaks or something goes wrong. It works one minutes, then stops working another. Otherwise, you never noticed it before.

It's NOT Apple's fault if a developer was too lazy to upgrade their product ahead of time. Afterall that's why they have the "developer seed".

If you are having problems, then do us all a favor and backup your data and perform an erase and install. Then, just as with my sig, toast up some pop-tarts and spread a little bit of peanut butter on them (you have to hurry, it's tough to spread warm peanut butter) and sit down with a big glass of cold milk and relax. Don't panic, everything is A-OK! :)

Lyra

Sep 9, 2009, 10:59 AM

I CALL FAKE!!!

... Oh wait, wrong forum, wrong time...

O_O

madog

Sep 9, 2009, 11:07 AM

Although it's far away from current hubbubs and what nots, and chances are we might not even GET to see this with how things are evolving, but I cannot help trying to picture how Mac OS 11 will look like and with all the troubles we've had now, how we'll moan about the troubles then.

For an OS that was launched on the basis of "The Most Stable OS in the history", I think Snow Leopard is a bit of a lie.

We've all done the updates, most of us on a fresh new HDD and somehow, the same computers, same model, same build, clean install STILL produces different anomalies when it comes to errors and bugs, right out of the box.

I get periodically a constant slowdown, beach ball spinning and the hard disk spinning out of control. All the while I can't do a damn thing with the OS, it's stalling and the beach ball is here more often than in Leopard.

What causes this is beyond me.

Anyway, I agree, since 14th of August this OS is in high demand of a new update.

This was NOT a finished product. Somethings just work.
:(

I'll take the "half full" approach: There are plenty of people who have the same machines, same installs, and are having no problems at all. Generally, people are only vocal when there is a problem, but that doesn't mean that people are only having problems or that nothing is working.

Also, if you can take the same OS and run it on multiple machines that each have different problems the chances are greater that there is something on that machine that is causing the problem, whether an application/driver was on there in the first place or transferred/installed shortly after. Even the migration assistant can cause problems with a fresh install.

Lyra

Sep 9, 2009, 11:11 AM

I'll take the "half full" approach: There are plenty of people who have the same machines, same installs, and are having no problems at all. Generally, people are only vocal when there is a problem, but that doesn't mean that people are only having problems or that nothing is working.

Also, if you can take the same OS and run it on multiple machines that each have different problems the chances are greater that there is something on that machine that is causing the problem, whether an application/driver was on there in the first place or transferred/installed shortly after. Even the migration assistant can cause problems with a fresh install.

TRUE...

I guess I'm just a bit bitter about this all... It'll clear up.... sooner or later.

TheSpaz

Sep 9, 2009, 11:29 AM

Question: What's the point of doing a clean install and then using migration assistant to restore all your old crap back? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of clean install?

Here's what I did. I did an erase and install (after backing up of course). I moved all of my music and movies back. Then I started over from scratch. Basically installing applications one by one. This way... if something starts acting up, I can determine if it's from a certain application I installed. So far, I've installed all the apps I use on a regular basis and everything seems to be running as I would expect. Snow Leopard has been tons better (for me) than Leopard. I'm enjoying it and I'm sure that I'm not the only one not having issues.

I'm not saying Snow Leopard is completely without issues, but the few small minor glitches I've run into are nothing to worry about.

RichardI

Sep 9, 2009, 12:18 PM

I see that HP released this driver (http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownloadIndex?softwareitem=bi-54970-5&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en&os=219&product=3435668) driver on August 15, which I believe was after SL went GM. However no mention of compatibility with 10.6. I have the HP Photosmart Premium, and HP did update the driver to be compatible with SL. Looks like it's HP's holdup, not Apple's.
Thanks Issmit02, I am aware of that driver and have tried several times to install it with no luck. It goes through all the dialogue boxes just like it was installing, but, alas when I check the driver in System Profiler, it is still the old 1.0.6, in stead of the 1.0.7. Frustrating for me and apparently LOTS of others are having issues with printers.

Rich :cool:

tigerphilosophy

Sep 9, 2009, 12:41 PM

I had no idea so many people were having issues with 10.6... Did you try a clean install to make sure it really is a problem with 10.6? I upgraded from 10.5.8 to 10.6, and everything works fine. In fact, after a full system defrag (yes, Macs can get heavily fragmented), I cut about 40 seconds off my boot time and so now the system is running better than it did just a few weeks ago.

How do you do a defrag on a mac? Also, what is a "clean install"? I put in the snow leopard disk and followed the prompts to install - is a clean install something different? Thanks for your input.

And by the way - a cool change with SL is that when something crashes, it automatically reports the issue (after notifying you with a bunch of code stuff) instead of asking if you want to report it.

macintoshtoffy

Sep 9, 2009, 01:20 PM

How do you do a defrag on a mac?

You don't have to - the file system itself self-defrags and handles things to control fragmentation.

Also, what is a "clean install"? I put in the snow leopard disk and followed the prompts to install - is a clean install something different? Thanks for your input.

Launch Disk Utility from the Utilities menu in the installer, format the hard disk, quit Disk Utility then continue with the install.

And by the way - a cool change with SL is that when something crashes, it automatically reports the issue (after notifying you with a bunch of code stuff) instead of asking if you want to report it.

I'm always sceptical about those automated reporters given that I rarely see the result in the following version or update fixing the problem. It might make one feel good like they're doing Apple a service but if Apple aren't using the feedback to fix bugs in their software then it is a waste of time and bandwidth.

Xenomorph

Sep 9, 2009, 02:31 PM

How do you do a defrag on a mac? Also, what is a "clean install"? I put in the snow leopard disk and followed the prompts to install - is a clean install something different? Thanks for your input.

And by the way - a cool change with SL is that when something crashes, it automatically reports the issue (after notifying you with a bunch of code stuff) instead of asking if you want to report it.

There are a few commercial defragmenters for Mac. iDefrag is one I used.

Mac OS X doesn't auto-defrag files in the way many people claim. It ignores most large files completely, and it even fails to auto-defrag smaller files if you don't have enough free space available at the specific time it would have defragged the file.

I posted a screenshot of how heavily fragmented a Mac gets after a few months use.

http://xenomorph.net/apple/fragmentation/

http://xenomorph.net/images/mac/mac-frag-1.png

A lot of people claim fragmentation doesn't happen, or that it doesn't affect Macs OS X as it does in Windows, but Macs do get fragmented, and I had an immediate and noticeable improvement in boot and launch times after I defragged my MacBook Pro.

A clean install is just something where you install things "clean" - not over an existing installation. That way you know any bad settings or random files aren't left over.

Bubba Satori

Sep 9, 2009, 02:50 PM

My computer is running great! I couldn't be happier with Snow Leopard. I love it. Works like a dream.

Glad to hear it. But I have to sell this stuff and Leopard has been Vista with spots. I'm going to wait for a couple of more Leopard service packs before I buy.

Stridder44

Sep 9, 2009, 05:45 PM

I love how the "Use as default" view option in Finder doesn't work at all. Please fix this!!

Also, bring back the option to disable trackpad icon scaling on the desktop (i.e., with multi-touch trackpads, you can change the desktop icon size with two fingers. One of the Leopard point releases delivered an option to disable this).

And I still wish Spotlight's "Show All" was like that of 10.4 Tiger, where it actually divided up everything by it's kind (Folder, Document, etc.) instead of Leopard and now Snow Leopard's "Show All" which just displays the results all thrown together in a folder.

blufire

Sep 9, 2009, 07:21 PM

My recommendation to those of you out there still considering installing Snow Leopard... wait a bit longer until there have been several patches.
Sounds like you've got some major problems.. I've upgraded several systems of various types without experiencing any of the issues you've mentioned. Has your system been upgraded before (e.g. from Tiger to Leopard)?

blufire

Sep 9, 2009, 07:22 PM

Eidorian

Sep 9, 2009, 07:22 PM

And I still wish Spotlight's "Show All" was like that of 10.4 Tiger, where it actually divided up everything by it's kind (Folder, Document, etc.) instead of Leopard and now Snow Leopard's "Show All" which just displays the results all thrown together in a folder.I miss this greatly from Tiger. I guess they decided that the Show All should behave like a Finder window. :(

hwmillerster

Sep 9, 2009, 08:29 PM

When I emailed SierraWireless asking about compatibility problems with 10.6 and its driver software Sierra Watcher, the company said to down load a new build. I did and upgraded to 10.6. Everything was OK except while the driver found the cell phone tower OK, connecting caused a fatal error. Can't live without internet connectivity so I went back to 10.5.8. I emailed SierraWireless again, and lo, another build this one from 9/4. I downloaded again. However, I'm going to hold off on 10.6 until 10.6.1 comes out. This isn't Apple's fault if third-party software isn't compatible, they've had enough time to adapt their software.
:(