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sockeatingdryer
Jul 4, 2004, 06:19 PM
I know of the thread on Adium .59, but there's a new version now.

What I would like to know is if one should stick with iChat, or go to Adium.
- or -
Which one do you use more?

blue&whiteman
Jul 4, 2004, 06:32 PM
ichat can only use aim and icq accounts. adium can use all 4 major im services. adium is a much more elegant app also.

mj_1903
Jul 4, 2004, 06:33 PM
Tabs! That's the main reason I cannot go back to iChat, other than multi-service support.

beg_ne
Jul 4, 2004, 08:00 PM
I know of the thread on Adium .59, but there's a new version now.

What I would like to know is if one should stick with iChat, or go to Adium.
- or -
Which one do you use more?

Depends on what you use it for i guess. I use Adium almost 100% for MSN chat since MSN Messenger is severely lacking, and since aMSN cant input Japanese.

I use iChat exclusively to chat on AIM since almost all of the time i'm on AIM i am using voice or videocam features.

PlaceofDis
Jul 4, 2004, 08:26 PM
i tried aduim to see how cool it was. and i loved it for text chats ect. but ive found that im starting to use my iSight a lot more lately, and i love the balloon convos in iChat and i like the interface of it a lot as well. So even though adium is on my computer i wont be using it very often. But if you have a lot of friends that use different services than aduim is awesome for you. if you dont need or want the a/v aspect of iChat, then aduim is for you. it all ends up being about what you use the messenger program for and what services you need to connect to.

BrianKonarsMac
Jul 4, 2004, 08:28 PM
adium - text chats. customizable. tabs. any service. free.
iChat - voice. video.

i use adium.

MacFan26
Jul 4, 2004, 08:46 PM
I just like Adium because of the interface. I only switch back to iChat for file transfers. I'm sure I'd use iChat if I ever did voice or video chat, but I don't do either. I also like being able to update my profile in Adium.

intrepkid21
Jul 4, 2004, 08:57 PM
I'd like to use my Adium all the time, but file transfering is horrid on it..always crashes the program..they need to fix this..

blue&whiteman
Jul 4, 2004, 09:05 PM
I'd like to use my Adium all the time, but file transfering is horrid on it..always crashes the program..they need to fix this..

fire is the only multi service app I have been able to get transfers to work on. this wasn't until they declared 1.0 though.. the beta never worked. adium is still beta and is made by good coders so i'm sure we will have good transfer one day.

Windowlicker
Jul 5, 2004, 08:41 AM
ichat can only use aim and icq accounts. adium can use all 4 major im services. adium is a much more elegant app also.

correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't ichat support aim and msn instead of aim & icq?? :Q if it supported icq i'd have been using ichat now because adium is pretty unstable on my current system for some reason (0.61).

blue&whiteman
Jul 5, 2004, 09:48 AM
correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't ichat support aim and msn instead of aim & icq?? :Q if it supported icq i'd have been using ichat now because adium is pretty unstable on my current system for some reason (0.61).

sorry but you couldn't be more wrong. :)

aol owns icq also so both aol im and ichat support icq. I think you can do it the other way around with the icq client also. ichat cannot use msn or yahoo im.

jared_kipe
Jul 5, 2004, 09:58 AM
In my opinion, Adium's interface is... less than elegant. I absolutely adore the bubble windows that come from the opposing sides of the screen, makes it way easy to instantly see who said what. I'm sure most of you know how to do this, but if you go up to the preferences in iChat, on the General tab, if you check the box that says "show status in menue bar" then a little voice bubble will suddenly appear in the upper right. You can now close your buddy list, because you can do all your stuff from right there. This also means, that (barring from being open) you have one less icon on the dock.

Whigga Spitta
Jul 5, 2004, 12:00 PM
After switching to a Mac, I tried using iChat, but I was too used to the Windows AIM client to switch. So I downloaded the OSX version of AIM--- let's just say I won't be using anymore AOL services ported to the Mac. Then I found Adium X, an elegant (IMO), intuitive, and tabbed (!) instant messaging client. Like previous posters mentioned, if I were using Audio/Video chats, I woul definitely stay with iChat, but for a very nice text messaging program, Adium is the way to go.

tedger
Jul 5, 2004, 03:06 PM
In my opinion, Adium's interface is... less than elegant. I absolutely adore the bubble windows that come from the opposing sides of the screen, makes it way easy to instantly see who said what. I'm sure most of you know how to do this, but if you go up to the preferences in iChat, on the General tab, if you check the box that says "show status in menue bar" then a little voice bubble will suddenly appear in the upper right. You can now close your buddy list, because you can do all your stuff from right there. This also means, that (barring from being open) you have one less icon on the dock.

First off, if you don't like Adium's message view go to www.adiumxtras.com and you can download tons of xtras including different message views, many of which include opposing contacts and several have bubbles like iChat's (if you are running 10.2 you are out of luck when it comes to message views).

Next, if you Ctrl+Click (or if you have a multiple button mouse right-click) on the dock icon you can get everything that is in the iChat Menu item. So barring wanting one less icon in your dock Adium can handle everything you have discribed.

As far as people talking about file transfers, Adium file transfers work well, they just aren't completely polished. If you open Applications/Utilities/Console.app you can see the progress of an Adium file transfer. This is something that does need work to be finished off but the Adium Developers are on it.

The biggest problem I have with this thread is the lack of information on Adium. Adium is a work in progress so if you don't have the most recent version (.61, .62 is due out tomorrow) then I suggest you download it first before taking sides. Also if you try out Adium and don't like it visit www.adiumxtras.com and you can customize Adium all you want. Lastly if you try it out and have some kind of problem I suggest that you visit http://www.funmac.com/forumdisplay.php?f=38 which is the official Adium forums, the developers check it several times a day and are always happy to help.

kewp04
Jul 5, 2004, 04:13 PM
I tried to install adium on my G4 ibook. But my comp always tells me that there's no default application to open the .dmg file. Does anyone know how to fix that?

Windowlicker
Jul 5, 2004, 04:15 PM
sorry but you couldn't be more wrong. :)

aol owns icq also so both aol im and ichat support icq. I think you can do it the other way around with the icq client also. ichat cannot use msn or yahoo im.

well that's certainly good news :) now the problem still is that ichat doesn't get connected to aol.. I checked the server and it's the same my adium has, so it should be working. is there a way to work around this or do I just have to wait for the next adium release?

FredAkbar
Jul 5, 2004, 04:53 PM
See my sig. Adium user since 2002.

Specifically, I agree with most of the posts in this thread about Adium's tabs, customizability, and support for many protocols.

I don't really even consider iChat to be an AIM client. It's a client for talking to other people, sure, and the AV is nice, but it doesn't properly support groups, you can't add people to your buddy list without adding them to your address book (which is completely ridiculous), you can't have a profile, etc. Sure Adium is missing some AIM features too but at least the Adium devs don't insult us AIM users by calling their product a finished app.

FredAkbar
Jul 5, 2004, 04:58 PM
well that's certainly good news :) now the problem still is that ichat doesn't get connected to aol.. I checked the server and it's the same my adium has, so it should be working. is there a way to work around this or do I just have to wait for the next adium release?
Can't help you with your iChat connection issues, but the next release of Adium should be within a day or two (they're already editing the plist files and such on CVS to reflect the new version number, and they usually don't bother to do that until right before they release).

Adium usually releases weekly; they just skipped a week this time for whatever reason, maybe they were in the middle of some important changes and couldn't just stop in the middle to make a public release.

[edit: sorry tedger, didn't see your post about .62 being due out tomorrow, but that's probably true.

...but after reading tedger's post some more, I agree that you guys should make sure you have the latest version (normally you can check out from CVS and build from source if you're into that sort of thing, though I tried that a day ago and it wouldn't build), and check out the forums, tedger and I go there frequently (right tedger?) and the devs and many other users go there often as well.]

tedger
Jul 5, 2004, 06:46 PM
Yeah Akbar this is the same Tedger on the Adium forums.

Here's something to note for those of you who use iChat because of it's AV capabilities. I also use iChat's AV capabilities every once in a while but all it takes is saying to the other person (if they also don't use iChat full time) "hey want to launch iChat for a voice/video chat?" or visa versa if they use iChat. Then all you have to do is launch iChat, you don't even have to log out of Adium because AIM allows you to connect in more than one location. I'd recommend that everyone give it a shot, but to each their own, and if you like iChat more so be it. Even if I think you are wrong ;).

howard
Jul 5, 2004, 06:50 PM
adium is one of my favorite apps of all-time

i can honestly say i don't know of anything i can complain about it.

now with webkit message displays you can make it look however you want, its absolutely amazing.

question fear
Jul 5, 2004, 08:14 PM
i like adium for the away messages/profiles/tabbed browsing.
the tabbing is great when you're on a laptop, esp a 12incher.
-carly

Whigga Spitta
Jul 5, 2004, 09:35 PM
The tabbed conversations in Adium made me look into tabbed browsing in Safari-- and it is so fresh and so clean!

question fear
Jul 5, 2004, 09:42 PM
once you go tab, you never go back.

blue&whiteman
Jul 5, 2004, 09:59 PM
once you go tab, you never go back.

yes. tabs help save a lot of screen real estate and thats always a good thing.

ratspg
Jul 5, 2004, 10:20 PM
ive tried adium, proteus, fire, whatever... yes tabs are nice... but their interfaces just lack that 'ooh im a finished product' feel. They just seem like something isn't certain about them all. If someone makes an 'iChat skin' like exactly with the contact list, exactly with the window, then i'd switch in an instant! , but is it possible to add tabs to iChat AV with some sort of built-on-top app?

blue&whiteman
Jul 6, 2004, 06:49 AM
ive tried adium, proteus, fire, whatever... yes tabs are nice... but their interfaces just lack that 'ooh im a finished product' feel. They just seem like something isn't certain about them all. If someone makes an 'iChat skin' like exactly with the contact list, exactly with the window, then i'd switch in an instant! , but is it possible to add tabs to iChat AV with some sort of built-on-top app?

if you think ichat or msn or yahoo or whatever look nicer than adium then I think you need to cut back on the crack ;)

look here (http://www.adiumxtras.com/) and you will see you can make adium look pretty much exactly how you want.

question fear
Jul 6, 2004, 08:17 AM
if you think ichat or msn or yahoo or whatever look nicer than adium then I think you need to cut back on the crack ;)

look here (http://www.adiumxtras.com/) and you will see you can make adium look pretty much exactly how you want.

sigh...only on 10.3....bah, i know i need to upgrade....getting closer every day.

but yea, give adium a shot, its well worth it.

Windowlicker
Jul 6, 2004, 12:11 PM
...but after reading tedger's post some more, I agree that you guys should make sure you have the latest version (normally you can check out from CVS and build from source if you're into that sort of thing, though I tried that a day ago and it wouldn't build), and check out the forums, tedger and I go there frequently (right tedger?) and the devs and many other users go there often as well.]

yeah well i'm pretty much addicted to updates (checking macupdate like 10 times a day) so i'm pretty sure to have the latest adium ;)

Windowlicker
Jul 6, 2004, 02:56 PM
Yes, it's out NOW.

get it here: Adium 0.62 Download (http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/adium/AdiumX_0.62.dmg?download)

rueyeet
Jul 6, 2004, 02:59 PM
Whenever I let it be known I'm online, there are at least a couple of my friends (who themselves spend waaaay too much time online) who immediately open a chat session. Adium's tabbed interface beats having multiple iChat windows open.

Of course, I have absolutely no interest in video chat (takes all the relaxation value out of computing in my jammies) and find the speech bubbles in iChat condescendingly cartoonish, so your mileage may vary.

jared_kipe
Jul 6, 2004, 04:15 PM
First off, if you don't like Adium's message view go to www.adiumxtras.com and you can download tons of xtras including different message views, many of which include opposing contacts and several have bubbles like iChat's (if you are running 10.2 you are out of luck when it comes to message views).

Next, if you Ctrl+Click (or if you have a multiple button mouse right-click) on the dock icon you can get everything that is in the iChat Menu item. So barring wanting one less icon in your dock Adium can handle everything you have discribed.


Having add-ins is hardly what I call elegant.

MacFan26
Jul 6, 2004, 04:42 PM
Of course, I have absolutely no interest in video chat (takes all the relaxation value out of computing in my jammies)

:D same here!

Just downloaded Adium 0.62! :)

tedger
Jul 6, 2004, 06:29 PM
Having add-ins is hardly what I call elegant.

If by elegant you mean looks exactly the same on everyone's computer then no Adium is not. But the definition of elegant is pleasing to good taste. Since obviously everyone has different tastes (and not everyone has the same taste as Steve Jobs and the Metalizing squad) Adium is incredibly elegant as it allows you to suit it to your own tastes. And if you like the metal, you can use it!

First off I'd like to clarify what the Xtras for Adium are. Here is a list
Dock Icons:
You can change the way your icon looks and have icons with animations instead of bouncing, of course if you like the bounce you can have that too
:D

Emoticon Packs:
Change the way Emoticons in chats, use iChat's bubble like emoticons, MSN's Animated Emoticons, Yahoo's funky emoticons (several packs are included) in fact Adium allows you to mix these different packs together so you can have MSN's Animated ;) and iChat's sleek other similes if you so wish.

Contact list styles:
Set your Contact list to appear like anything from simple white text on a transparent background with nothing else to disturb it, to lists with a myriad of colors and variations based on the person's current status. And of course everything in between. Currently Adium doesn't have icons in the buddy list or bubbles to display status (there are icons for this) but this is something that is being worked on and will come in the future

Message View Styles:
View your conversations the way you want to. iChat gives you two choices, bubbles, and bars. Adium gives you about 5 that are built in (with variations on individual styles) and then you can download ones on the xtras site. Which range from simple to styles that let you set a picture as the background to partially transparent views.

Sound Sets:
These are alternate sounds that you can download to get the audio feedback that you want. Even customize it so say you only want to hear if one person is logging on and could care less about everyone else, you can set it so you can hear a sound for one contact, and silence for ever. You can even go so far as to set an individual sound for each contact.

Lastly,
Applescripts:
Put scripts in your Away messages and messages that will do fun things like give a random Shakespearean insult to a countdown to a given date and/or time.

Something that is amazing about this is that this website is up to allow the users to upload the xtras that they create and share with everyone.

These extras are not add-ins that you have to download they are things that you can choose to download. If you only downloaded the program and only used the included xtras you could still be very happy with it.

So if you are suggesting that a chat client that can adapt to pretty much any given graphical environment (like different ShapeShifter themes to a simple change of desktop pictures) and fit in beautifully and not stick out like a sore metal thumb is not elegant I think that you are mistaken. But as I've said, it's all about choice, and if you want Adium to look metal like ichat it can do that too.

Bellow is a screenshot of my Adium configuration right now tell me if iChat would look more elegant here:

ratspg
Jul 6, 2004, 09:05 PM
sorry , but i dont find the contact lists in adium anything close to 'elegant', these rounded highlights around the SNs, and thats the only option, just change the colors and the fonts! ewwieee lol! adium lovers, enjoy it! when they can make nice contact lists as much as as their message views, then i will check it out again. and that will only be until tiger....when i can have multiple audio.

MacFan26
Jul 6, 2004, 10:03 PM
Here's mine :D:

ratspg
Jul 6, 2004, 11:14 PM
macfan26: i checked out your website, thast awesome u were in jazz band? what instrument did/do you play? I'm out here in LA majoring in music in college now, lol. don't find many other musicians! :)

MacFan26
Jul 6, 2004, 11:53 PM
macfan26: i checked out your website, thast awesome u were in jazz band? what instrument did/do you play? I'm out here in LA majoring in music in college now, lol. don't find many other musicians! :)

thanks ratspg :) It's always cool to see a music major! (btw I replied to your pm)

MondayNgt
Jul 14, 2004, 08:31 AM
I used to use iChat because I loved the interface, but I found that contacting ICQ members on it was less than optimal. For example, one of my ICQ friends wanted me to explain something to another ICQ friend, but I didn't see him online. When I told him he wasn't on, my friend said he was. So I hopped on Adium and sure enough, there he was. I wish iChat and AOL's clients would seperately log into ICQ instead of reaching the ICQ network through AIM.

I've been using Adium since, but I sure do miss iChat...

--
Patrick Shannon
My War With Culture (http://www.mywarwithculture.com)
The Positively Eclectic Online Comic!

michaelrjohnson
Jul 14, 2004, 10:00 AM
ive tried adium, proteus, fire, whatever... yes tabs are nice... but their interfaces just lack that 'ooh im a finished product' feel. They just seem like something isn't certain about them all.

...and because of this, I use iChat. (I dont' have buddies on other services than AIM, so it all works out)

ToastCabbit
Jul 14, 2004, 10:22 AM
And let's not forget another of Adium's great features – the built-in log viewer.

I know there are programs out there that can help you view and manage your logged IM's on iChat, but having it built into Adium is a huge plus for me. Also, Adium automatically makes the file format of my logs HTML for easy access and compatibility. :)

DJY
Jul 15, 2004, 03:21 AM
I donwloaded Adium a couple of days ago...
but can't work out why half my contacts appear under the title Individuals, yet half under a separate title called Other Contacts?

Yet they are all MSN contacts (as thats the only connection I've added so far?)
Anyone able to help?

Sabbath
Jul 15, 2004, 06:08 AM
I donwloaded Adium a couple of days ago...
but can't work out why half my contacts appear under the title Individuals, yet half under a separate title called Other Contacts?

Yet they are all MSN contacts (as thats the only connection I've added so far?)
Anyone able to help?
I don’t know how you got to that position but its really easy to change the groups, and pretty much essential if you have a variety of connections I find. Just drag the groups and/or contacts to where you want them and add new groups from contact > add group.

I love adium, but it is one of those things you have to play around with how it looks to get it to suit you. Tabs are great, I like the message windows, but that is one area where the sleekness of iChat does come out on top in my view. The only additional thing to want is the elusive video and voice.

abc123
Jul 15, 2004, 08:39 AM
i've been having contact list issues too. some of my contacts won't stay in the correct group, i change then but when i start up adium again they are back to the wrong place.
apart from that little hickup i love it, especially because half my contacts use aim and half msn

DJY
Jul 16, 2004, 09:33 AM
Ah thanks Sabbath!
I'm still looking for the hard way of doing things... only being a new switcher! Still getting used to the Mac way of doing things...
simple
easy
and intuative!

MacFan26
Jul 20, 2004, 01:53 AM
And let's not forget another of Adium's great features – the built-in log viewer.


I love the log viewer too. It's just nice to be able to access it without a plugin, and instead of iChat, it doesn't open a file, it shows up like it does in Fire (at least, I think so) in a window where you can view all of the logs.

criana
Jul 21, 2004, 01:56 PM
I've switched over to Adium, most of the time, but I still have problems with File Transfers.

They do not go through at all. I've opened up my firewall to those ports, I've opened up the ports on my wireless router. Still no go.

In iChat it takes 2-3 times with PC users to get DirectIM going, but when I use the OS X AIM client everything works on the first try.

I"m still holding out for Adium and the file transfer to work better. (yes I've had console open and watched the process - I've posted about this on the Adium forum).

There was also rumor of Adium supporting Rendevous, for me that would be great since we use iChat at work.

MacFan26
Jul 24, 2004, 04:21 PM
by the way, version .63 is now available for Adium users :)

ratspg
Aug 2, 2004, 04:23 PM
can i send/receive downloads on AIM with adium? someone keeps trying to send me a file works great with iChat, doesn't work with adium... i'm new to adium and i want to switch but if i can accept files i can't :( anyone know?

thanks.

fowler.
Aug 2, 2004, 05:54 PM
I rediscovered Adium for the first time in a few months last night. It's come a long way since I first used it. I really really like the interface. I like the amount of customization possible on the menu and chat windows. It loses the bubbly osx feel and gets a sleeker designed feel imo.

I'm going to keep using it for a while.. until I find something that bothers me about it.

comictimes
Aug 2, 2004, 06:48 PM
Yeah, I just downloaded Adium several days ago, and so far I am liking it far more than ichat. ichat has a very nice feel to it, but between tabs and the amount that you can fiddle with Adium, I definitely prefer Adium. Right now I've got it using the metalgear solid look for the chat window, a theme called "subtle colors" for the contact list, a nice matrix-duck for my dock, and piano sounds... it's so much fun...

Oh yeah, and it supports msn, which is nice.

knicksfan58
Aug 2, 2004, 09:42 PM
ya i just got adium today and the customization possible is awesome. i've wasted alot of time changing icons, sound effects, etc

jxyama
Aug 2, 2004, 10:18 PM
one thing i don't like about adium... with AIM, it's very slow (or non-responsive at all) figuring out who logged out or even when i'm logged out. i can disconnect the ethernet cable on my computer and adium won't realize that i'm no longer online...

gave me quite a headache because i have to use AIM client at work and i get many system messaged claiming i'm logged in at more than one location - it's adium not letting go of my sessions unless i explicitly quit, so it seems...

marknicholls
Sep 19, 2004, 01:48 PM
im using Adium which is cool, but how can i get rid of the logs? i dont want all my conversations saved!

I un-tick the log messages bbox but they still get logged!!

Help!