Apple Updates Entire iPod Family, Bringing Capacity and Performance Bumps to iPod Touch and Video Camera to iPod Nano

[mutantteenager]

I remember Apple.... they used to make computers didn't they?

FM radio in 2009 = jokes! Apple are playing iPod buyers for the cash rich suckers that they are....

[richard.mac]

the whole iPod refresh is all good… nothing to complain about.

but the camera in the Nano is a bit weird... you wouldve thought that it would be in the Touch instead? do people think that this is delayed like in the rumours?

[Kevenly]

It's unfortunately that they will not activate FM Radio reception on the Touch series, as if I am not mistaken they already contain an FM receiver as part of the Bluetooth chipset.

So many apps make use of the integrated camera in the iPhone that it's natural for users to want that camera in the Touch as well. On the other hand I'm glad that I don't feel terribly left behind with my 2G Touch.

[goobot]

stop beging such babes the itouch will NOT get camera unless the phone get a new killer feature. i would think though they would give a fm radio to the touch tho

[puckhead193]

So many apps make use of the integrated camera in the iPhone that it's natural for users to want that camera in the Touch as well. On the other hand I'm glad that I don't feel terribly left behind with my 2G Touch.

You would think that a lot of apps make use of the camera... but then again..it might steer people away from the iphone.
did Bluetooth come with the old 2gs touch's?

[Mjmar]

Is the keynote up yet?

[mosx]

I switched from Verizon to at&t and my price tag is the same, so I am use to this monthly plan. The signal is also the same and in some areas I finally have signal. No cell phone provider is going to work 100% coast to coast.. ever. These unlimited everything for $45-50.00 a month are crap. I was working with a guy who sets up Crickets towers and they only have 3 antennas per cell tower and at&t/Verizon and others have about 12 per tower. I talk to a friend who has Cricket and it's so horrible and I'm on a land line. It's funny because is she goes 10 miles west of her house, shes in roaming. I like the fact that I can go anyplace in the USA and pay the same price. I camp too much to have a deal like that also.

It's funny you say that the unlimiteds are crap.

My sister has Boost Mobile's unlimited $50 a month plan. She always gets service where I do not.

The other day I was all over the greater LA area. City of Industry, Covina, Whittier, even into the Inland Empire in Rancho Cucamunga, and other cities. I spent more time without a signal than I did with one. And its not just my iPhone, but the iPhones of every one I know that currently owns one. The worst part is that when I had Verizon before switching to AT&T for the iPhone, I had a full five bar signal in every single one of those places I visited the other day with a phone that was free with a two year contract.

You know whats even funnier? Apple has an Apple Store in Rancho Cucamunga. The Victoria Gardens Apple Store. It's a nice store, though small and extremely crowded. Inside the store you get a full 5 bar signal with the iPhone thanks to whatever "Femtocell" or signal repeaters they have. Walk out into the parking lot right next to the JC Penny and your signal drops from 5 bars to 2 or even 1.

[AJ1BostonMASS]

This was not that bad of an event. I would be more than willing to buy a 64gb Ipod touch. It will give people play and space.

Itunes 9 seems interesting. Overall new look. Not bad. I like the new store, yet tehy got rid of the shopping cart. I liked that.

As for everyone saying you will get a Zune HD good luck getting that to run on your mac.

Overall I would give this event a 7 out of 10.

I am sad no beatles. Expected no tablet.

[theahnman]

Correct me if I'm wrong... but have they marketed the iPod Touch as a "pocket computer" before? Because if this is a new angle... maybe we are seeing the beginnings of a new positioning of the iPod Touch as a smaller tablet computer perhaps?

[troller]

No video camera in the Touch? What they are thinking?
Nah, maybe it's because of those production problems reported few days ago?
:eek:
they think what they always think.....Let's think about another RIP OFF STRATEGIE!!!

[APPLENEWBIE]

Just of note, There is no 16gb.

Touch 32 gb 399/279/299
Touch 64 gb ----/----/399

There was as of this morning, before the conference...

[puckhead193]

Correct me if I'm wrong... but have they been marketing the iPod Touch as a "pocket computer" before? Because if this is a new angle... maybe positioning the iPod Touch as a smaller tablet computer perhaps?

from what i remember apple said first its an ipod to play music and video.

[chadua]

Thanks apple for the camera on the touch! It's the only reason I've been waiting for the 3G.

...wait, what's that? No camera? Go to hell, Apple.


And go without my $300

Also I don't get how not selling an iPhone gets apple more money than selling an iTouch with a camera.

[theahnman]

from what i remember apple said first its an ipod to play music and video.

What I'm mainly talking about is the iPod Touch page on the Apple website... the sections now read "A great iPod", "A great pocket computer", and "A great portable gaming device."

[Rodimus Prime]

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8900/4.6.1.231 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102 UP.Link/6.3.1.17.06.3.1.17.0)

apple is going to the dogs

it needs some water

ideas are running dry

Um . . . Apple has had nothing but ideas for the last decade. Apple is really the only one that has had any ideas worth anything lately. And then everyone else lines up to copy.

iPods are slowly being eclipsed by iPhones. The phoneless mp3/mediaplayer is dying. We all need to accept that.

I hope this works as I am on my blackberry.
I do not want my mp3 player to be my phone end of story. I like the idea of having a iPod that can leave at home and my phone to be that. I choose to get a blackberry over an iPhone because I do not want a touchscreen only phone but for what the touch does the touch screen is great. I just think it is bad how much apple handicaps the touch god forbid the touch be the same as the iPhone misus the phone. The iPhone and iTouch are to me for the most part in very differnt markets

[APPLENEWBIE]

Correct me if I'm wrong... but have they marketed the iPod Touch as a "pocket computer" before? Because if this is a new angle... maybe we are seeing the beginnings of a new positioning of the iPod Touch as a smaller tablet computer perhaps?

You know, I caught that too. At least twice Shiller made comments about it being a good computer... I thought for sure when we saw the Dell netbook ripping out the guy's pocket photo, some thing was coming... but it never did. Just fell flat after that. Do you suppose that a whole section was excised from the presentation at that point? New features? maybe like a camera, fm, video, compass, gps?

[Mooey]

No camera, no buy.

[gkarris]

^^^ Not to mention GPS... :eek:

BTW, where's the 16 Gig $249 model (like 8 Gigs is enough for something like this)???

The gap clearly shows that Apple doesn't want to cannibalize iPhone sales. The problem is STILL AT&T exclusivity - unless Apple plans on changing that.

The next problem is cellphone providers "upping" the monthly costs because "you now have an iPhone".

[SeaFox]

No camera, no buy.
I find this all rather amusing. While it seems weird to add a camera to the Nano and not the Touch, I don't think anyone here is mad about the Touch itself. It's the iPhone you're mad about.

You're complaining about the lack of a camera that, while decent, isn;t as good as a dedicated digital camera, and GPS, etc. Sounds to me like what you want is the same features as the iPhone without having to deal with AT&T or get a contract. Yes, you're willing to forgo the cell phone functionality to get the rest, but you wouldn't mind having the cell phone ability, either.

Unlocked but fully supported iPhone 3GS really is what people are after, not a new Touch. ;)

[rusty2192]

I just finished a chat with an Apple Expert on the online store. I was told that the camera on the new iPod Nano's do not take still photos, only video.

The expert said,

"It is capable of taking videos, but not still pictures.
As well as the awesome new FM Radio feature."

Kind of lame, in my opinion, but I love how they tried to reconcile it with the "awesome new FM feature"

[JohnnyGo]

Link:
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/09/in-qa-steve-jobs-snipes-at-amazon-and-praises-ice-cream/

Excerpt:
Q.
You put a camcorder on the iPod Nano. Why not on the iPod Touch?

A.
Originally, we weren’t exactly sure how to market the Touch. Was it an iPhone without the phone? Was it a pocket computer? What happened was, what customers told us was, they started to see it as a game machine. Because a lot of the games were free on the store. Customers started to tell us, “You don’t know what you’ve got here — it’s a great game machine, with the multitouch screen, the accelerometer, and so on.”

We started to market it that way, and it just took off. And now what we really see is it’s the lowest-cost way to the App Store, and that’s the big draw. So what we were focused on is just reducing the price to $199. We don’t need to add new stuff — we need to get the price down where everyone can afford it

[sellitom]

You are correct. I thought was weird when site I was on mentioned Schiller say or double capacity to 32 GB for $100 more. Was really quadruple 8-32 right?

Pretty sure he was referring to going from 32gb to 64gb for only $100. I've double checked my math and indeed, 32 is HALF of 64.

[krzyglue]

I don't think you guys see the significance here. The touch getting a faster processor is the true sign of where this all is going. iPods of the near future will be used much the same way we're using laptops today. To get there they've got to cram more processing power and memory into them... or have them be able to access cloud computing.

Apple hasn't run out of ideas, but are in the middle of a transitional period waiting for all the pieces to fall into place.

I honestly don't think a pseudo ipod/laptop device will ever replace laptops (and on that note, neither will netbooks). Why? It's quite simple: call me crazy, but what I do on my laptop isn't limited to checking email and facebook. Taking notes in class, typing essays on the go, working on presentations, that type of thing. I don't see a phone-like device ever properly fulfilling those needs. If it did, I would bet it would cease to be a phone and genuinely be what we call a "laptop". The above is why I don't subscribe to the "convergence" theory. It reminds me too much of the idiom "Jack of all trades, king of none." I don't think specialization is necessarily a bad thing.

[djchuckc27]

Wonder how many new Nanos Apple is going to sell to the millions and millions of teenagers this holiday season?? I wouldn't be surprised if the new Nano is on every teenagers Christmas list this year... When I was in high school, having one of the first video cell phones, that's all I did was shoot videos. I think it's a terrific update.

Now the touch... Who cares if you own an iPhone? And if you don't own an iPhone, shouldn't your blackberry have a camera and video as well??

Apple wins today.

[Beric]

If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd assume it was because they ended up scrapping an announcement about a special-edition band-themed iPod nano. But for the life of me, I can't think of a band that sings about anything yellow...

My pragmatic side thinks they forgot to turn the "Apple Exclusive" layer off in Photoshop when they were saving the yellow nano image file.

Doesn't Coldplay have a song about yellow? Hmmm...

[DUSTmurph]

What has the ipod team been doing for the past year? Putting a awful camera into the nano? This is what happens when Jobs leaves for 6 months, everybody gets lazy and apple releases less than par products.

[Makindosh]

Apple, I will buy 2 iPod Touches if you add a camera and mic! I have been waiting for it like a year! Why didn't you add a camera to Touch? :mad:

I even have saved money for 2 iPod Touches! OMG! I am not gonna buy the Nano. I don't need the iPhone!

Lame...I am pissed...

[RazHyena]

if they're making $2.5bn revenue from the app store each year, they need as many devcies out there buying stuff. That includes ipod touches. Ideally you have one common platform, which means camera, GPS, compass in the touch. Ideally microphone in the main unit, not the headphones, but thats ok.

And its not just for taking photos, I know we all have cameras yadda yadda. Its about the other apps you can use with the camera as well. augmented reality with the GPS/compass/camera, barcode scanners, twitpiccing etc.

Not everyone wants to, or can, switch to an iphone. They're either in a contract for a while, happy in their contract, or can't easily switch (eg work supplied phone or want to stay on a particular network)

...or in an area where AT&T has no coverage.

If Apple really wants to "phase out" the iPods to encourage people to get the iPhone, and in doing so giving other mp3 manufacturers a HUGE advantage by not offering mp3 players, then fine. I don't care. A slim little 16GB Zune will do me just fine.

Honestly, I don't think Apple would ever do that, but hey, I'm just saying..

[HLdan]

I just love how so many of you are pretending that the lack of a camera in the iPod Touch is a dealbreaker and you are completely dismissing the big storage upgrades. If Apple had put the camera in the iPod Touch, big storage upgrade, bluetooth and FM radio you would've still said it was a lackluster upgrade and said, "I'm pissed, Apple was gonna get my money today until I noticed that they did nothing to the iPod Touch". Get real. :p
The 2G iPod Touch owners have no reason to upgrade right now so why are you all the most upset here? If someone doesn't own an iPod Touch this is a great buy for them. Too many of you geeks here think you're the only customers Apple has and needs to please.

[ipodtouch-user]

Unlocked but fully supported iPhone 3GS really is what people are after, not a new Touch. ;)

Well, I also think there's plenty of folks out there who want a GPS capable itouch with camera & microphone, and would be willing to pay a bit extra for that.

[suss2it]

I don't really care since I have my iPhone, but it's kinda funny they'd put only a video recorder in the nano and not still picture.

[sellitom]

All of this Apple fanboy complaining is ridiculous. You all read RUMORS and think "OMG AWESOME!! TOUCH UPDATES! CAMERAS!! VIDEO CAMERAS!!! A TABLET!! I AM SOOOOO EXCITED!!"

It's a rumor site, chill the f out with your rabid disappointment because the Touch doesn't have a camera. You're all acting like a 3rd grader who didn't get the G.I. Joe they wanted for Christmas.

[rgarjr]

it's kinda funny they'd put only a video recorder in the nano and not still picture.

Yah, that's kind of mind blowing why they didn't include the still photo feature.
:confused:

[dmo580]

Yes, and I think it's rather funny that Apple has put a video camera in the nano with absolutely no on-board app for editing video.

That's the IDEA. If you put in an FM radio and a video camera into an iPhone minus the phone, you get a very powerful device. Post to youtube, Twitter, etc immediately? Come on. Apple doesn't want that. Thus it puts the nano in its sandbox and gives it features. It's only useful if you connect your Nano to your computer and extract the recorded video. otherwise it's just meh... Like a dumbphone you know? Give a dumbphone a camera? Okay... Give a smartphone a camera? Wow. Why do you think people post facebook pics, tweet, etc using their smartphones with pictures videos, etc? The dumbphone is useless in this arena.

I think it's interesting to note that with this update to the Classic, it's really at EOL status. Unless they make it as appealing as the Nano, I see the line going nowhere. The Nano was always a slim down version of the bigger iPod. Now it's being touted as mainstream. The iPod was ALWAYS that big clunky white thing with the hard drive inside. Now it's being defined by the Nano with all these silly girls carrying them, and somewhat by the touch. WHAT HAPPENED to the classic? It's not as useful, but honestly, if you want to keep it alive, at least breathe some life into it.

[ipodtouch-user]

If Apple had put the camera in the iPod Touch, big storage upgrade, bluetooth and FM radio you would've still said it was a lackluster upgrade and said, "I'm pissed, Apple was gonna get my money today until I noticed that they did nothing to the iPod Touch". Get real.

WRONG. There are many folks that wanted exactly what you described and would have paid more for it. The nanos with the crappy cameras (that can't even take still pictures, lol) are what Apple has focused on?!

You get real. Apple lost out on a big market here.

[RazHyena]

All of this Apple fanboy complaining is ridiculous. You all read RUMORS and think "OMG AWESOME!! TOUCH UPDATES! CAMERAS!! VIDEO CAMERAS!!! A TABLET!! I AM SOOOOO EXCITED!!"

It's a rumor site, chill the f out with your rabid disappointment because the Touch doesn't have a camera. You're all acting like a 3rd grader who didn't get the G.I. Joe they wanted for Christmas.

I can't wait for the maelstrom that will strike these boards when everyone discovers that the tablet rumors were just that: rumors. :D:D:D

[The Samurai]

I just love how so many of you are pretending that the lack of a camera in the iPod Touch is a dealbreaker and you are completely dismissing the big storage upgrades. If Apple had put the camera in the iPod Touch, big storage upgrade, bluetooth and FM radio you would've still said it was a lackluster upgrade and said, "I'm pissed, Apple was gonna get my money today until I noticed that they did nothing to the iPod Touch". Get real. :p
The 2G iPod Touch owners have no reason to upgrade right now so why are you all the most upset here? If someone doesn't own an iPod Touch this is a great buy for them. Too many of you geeks here think you're the only customers Apple has and needs to please.

Well written +1

[cogitodexter]

I don't know what everyone's whining about...

If you haven't got an iPhone but you do have a mobile phone of some other make, the chances are you've already got a phone with a camera on it anyway but it's really bad at being an MP3 player. Therefore an iPod Touch is what you need to make up the difference.

If you have/want an iPod Touch for its gaming abilities then you're almost certainly going to need another mobile phone anyway which is going to have a camera regardless.

If you've got an iPhone then you've got everything you need unless your music collection is vast, in which case you need the extra memory if a second iPod but not an extra camera.

If you're too young for a mobile phone but want to play music and take pictures, then there's an iPod for you too now.

Yes, I think that these new products from Apple don't exactly merit partying in the streets - they're very definitely only a mild evolution of what we already had, but equally I don't think Apple deserves to be castigated either. It seems like a logical range for the various types of market that wants to buy Apple kit.

Nobody who wants one or needs one is going to be lacking a camera simply because of the makeup of Apple's latest iPod range.

[cassnate6259]

The 2G iPod Touch owners have no reason to upgrade right now so why are you all the most upset here? If someone doesn't own an iPod Touch this is a great buy for them. Too many of you geeks here think you're the only customers Apple has and needs to please.

I agree... I've had a 2G iTouch for quite a while now, and I'm kind of glad that I still actually have a tech product that is not out of date.

I can often fall into the same trap as many people and want to have the latest and greatest, but I sometimes have to step back and remember that by having a cheap cell phone and an iTouch, I don't pay for a data plan and still have a great portable device for music, WiFi, and apps.

But I gotta say, Apple has given me no real reason to make an upgrade. It's kind of a catch 22: I buy a product that I really like, but it is so good that I have little need to upgrade and pay Apple more money until they find something else that blows me away.

[leRiCl]

Phew....

Back in the "Mac with Free Touch" promotion.... I got a new macbook pro + ipod touch and sold the touch to my cousin for a 40% discount. Lucky it didn't get new camera today, or she'd have been pissed.

If I was anyone else, though, I would be anything but impressed with Apple's most recent ipod updates.

The nano with camera and the stainless shuffle is okay cool, but the rest of it wasn't really newsworthy; Apple bumps up memory and hard disk space in its macintosh lines all the time without barely a mention.

p.s I'm also quite happy my 16gb ipod touch isn't too outdated yet, so no need to shell out money for another one. =D But I would be selling my apple stock soon (especially since it practically doubled in the past 6 months); What with apple's ipod lines looking like on the cusp of stagnation and steve jobs getting old, etc.

disclaimer: There is no financial advice in this post.

[DakotaGuy]

I'm confused. Why didn't the Touch get a camera? I mean the Nano update is pretty slick but why would the Touch be left out? :confused:

How do you think Apple will sell you another Touch next time they update? That's right they will include a camera! Apple knows what they are doing to keep people buying.

[siddavis]

First, it is and iPod Touch, not iTouch. I will say that over and over again until people get it.

I think the real reason there is not 16GB version right now is because they are still trying to purge old 8GB versions. Once these are gone, I think the default $199 iPod Touch will be a revised 16GB version with faster processors etc. This will bring their entry level model in under the Zune HD entry model. If I'm wrong, I think their price breaks are retarded given Zune HD's entry into the market. Also, if I'm wrong, I think they are missing a big chance to make the Zune HD stillborn.

Oh, and I realize this will piss off a lot of people who buy the current 8GB at that price, only to be pooped on, but perhaps they really do have these kind of quantities already produced, and don't want to take a hit at something like $150.

[TheSlush]

The fingernails on those thumbs holding the new iPod touch on Apple's Home page are a little too heavily retouched, methinks. :D

[rippyz]

It's interesting that how the Apple rumor site like MacRumors, and so-called "analysts" created all the hypes about the "new" features to come on the new iPod Touch, but when those rumor didn't materialize, everyone turn on Apple instead. Apple never officially announced anything prior to the introduction of the new models, but we somehow think the speculation from all the news sources are facts, and when our expectation didn't meet, we all become enraged.

I admit I'm a little disappointed with the fact that the new iPod Touch didn't get a camera, but I'm not holding that against Apple. They never said it would have a camera.

[*LTD*]

It's all about the iPhone and the App Store.

The iPod is now just a cheaper way to get to the App Store.

Otherwise, the iPhone is the future. It's all about full device convergence. You don't have to believe me, just follow the trends. That's the direction in which everyone is trying to move (with varying degrees of success.) Apple has already positioned the iPhone as *the* handheld to end all handhelds - whether smartphones or mediaplayers. Apple's recent price cuts to the iPhone just underscore their intention. Once it hits even more carriers, there's no stopping it, and it'll be even more affordable. Android is suffering (quite badly) at the hands of the iPhone (as I was told by a middle-manager for Rogers GTA marketing in Toronto.) The iPhone is already #1 in Japan. WinMo is sliding down the tubes. RIM is trying to keep up. Nokia is busy copying. Motorola has some tough decisions to make. And Palm is barely in the game so far, despute their best efforts. But the iPhone didn't just change the mobile indsutry overnight, it changed the handheld industry as well.

And most importantly, everyone is learning from AT&T's successes and mistakes. We're slowly getting to a point now, where if a carrier wants to do well and attract customers, it MUST carry the iPhone. Everyone wants in.

If Apple were to introduce a tablet in the next year, and if it's going to be the game-changer people think (always bet on Apple!), then you'll see the complete death of the stand-alone phoneless mediaplayer market. It's already dying gradually thanks to the paradigm-shift the iPhone caused.

App Store + iPhone (+ Tablet.) This is the future.

[azentropy]

For me it is pretty simple. If the new iPod Touch would have had a camera/video I would have purchased one. I have a iPhone 3G right now and I'm not in a good window to upgrade to a 3Gs, but I would really like the video features and even developing some applications using it - so it would be nice to have something supporting those features. I figured I would get a new Touch then next year get a new iPhone and pass the Touch on to a family member. But since it does not have a significant feature for me over my current iPhone 3G, it doesn't make any sense to do that.

So like many others - no sale.

[cogitodexter]

It seems odd to me that people get upset because a single-generation bump in spec doesn't give them enough of a reason to ditch their old model to buy the new one...

Single generation spec bumps were never meant for that - they were to encourage NEW purchasers in and to get people holding models two or more generations back to upgrade.

I have a 3G iPhone. The 3GS is not enough of a reason for me to upgrade. I dare say it will only be the NEXT iPhone, whenever it comes, or possibly even the one after that will be the impetus for me to upgrade. As it stands the 3GS simply doesn't represent enough of a difference to what I have now. The same logic applies to anything else produced by Apple - or any other manufacturer for that matter.

Apple's products evolve like all others. It's very rare to get a quantum leap for each generation.

[georgemann]

I live on the other side of the world (Thailand) and I stayed up very late into the night to monitor this event. In my sleep deprived state I couldn't really believe what had just happened and went to sleep.

Now is the morning for me and I still don't believe it.

Why have an event for minor upgrades, that have already been leaked anyway?

OK, I get the point, Steve is still alive and he is still in charge (is that a good thing?).

I would sure love to be a fly on the wall and find out what is really going on.

[LizKat]

Am I the only one who still loves a Classic?

Love em, love em, love em. I have a Classic for "normal" use, a 1G nano for the gym and a 3G iPhone for ... a phone. I'm thrilled with that lineup.

I like Apple.

ps: I won't be buying anything introduced today. No need.

You're definitely not the only one who likes the Classic! I recently got an Apple-refurbed 160GB Classic in silver to keep the black one company. One is for operas and classical music, the other for everything else. I like to have the Classics with me when I am travelling without a computer. Everything my ears might long for in a couple of little boxes.

I am glad they're bringing back the larger size in their new release of the Classic. By now there must be a lot of people with large audio collections who don't want to have to do manual syncs to fit their stuff onto smaller iPods. The novelty of making the picks does wear off!

The nano intro'd today is very intriguing but I haven't ordered one yet. I want to see how long I can resist. I figure... Friday? But only if I decide not to get the 64GB iPod touch. I might do that instead of trying the new nano. Decisions, decisions... I love my 32GB iPod touch, it's my favorite for design and utility along with the 2nd gen nano. The Classic I like just for the spaciousness, and the way it looks in the speakerdock. My shuffles I like for always having one in my purse and for wearing around the house doing chores, but I admit to not having tried the latest gen yet. I like the controls on the device, not a fan of messing about with the cord.

Absence of a camera on the iPod touch does not bother me in the least even if I may have said I'd like the feature. There's a cam in my iPhone and in both of the other cell phones I sometimes carry instead. Last time I used any of them was to take a picture of a hailstone-hole in a maple leaf outside my kitchen window in June or July, so how hot could I say I was for any camera anyway.

[JohnnyGo]

Yah, that's kind of mind blowing why they didn't include the still photo feature.
:confused:

Steve explained to David Pogue (NYT) that the circuit / lens for a still picture camera would require a change of format / casing for the iPod Nano... particularly the "autofocus" function

I guess VIDEO is really easy, particularly because of low res...

[SeattleMoose]

I was waiting to buy an iPod Nano. Wow, now I get one with a movie camera!!!

I for one am happy.....:D

Why all this whining?

[Fluffy Bunny]

I have an iPhone 3GS and I love it.

I just ordered a new 16GB nano and I will love it.

For all those whiners out there....sucks to be you!!!

[iPhone3GCrazed]

I have an iPhone on AT&T and I do regret it. AT&T's service over the last two years has been terrible. It's gotten progressively worse with time as well. There are so many dead zones in the greater Los Angeles area that its gone from wondering where you'll lose your signal to wondering where you'll actually have a signal.

Plus there is the issue of cost. The iPhone starts at $99. But you have to factor in a minimum of $39.99 a month for the lowest minute rate play, as well as $30 for the mandatory data plan, and at least another $5 for 200 SMS/MMS messages. Thats roughly $75 a month BEFORE taxes and fees pile on. You're looking at spending at least $80 a month when all is said and done. For the first year of service, you're looking at $100 for the iPhone plus roughly $960, so overall, $1060 roughly (give or take a few dollars after taxes and fees). Add on another $960 for the second year of the contract.

The iPod touch is a flat $299 (plus sales tax) for the same internal hardware as the iPhone 3G S with no additional fees, save for a $10 upgrade every year thanks to Apple deliberately misusing SOX.

The iPod touch is a much better overall deal. It's a pocket computer that does everything the iPhone does, minus mobile data and the camera. Theres no excuse for the lack of camera, considering those camera modules cost what? $2?

One can argue you'll have a cellphone anyway, so why not just make it an iPhone? Well, the majority of the US population lives in areas served by MetroPCS. $45 a month for unlimited everything. Why pay double to AT&T? Not to mention that the midwest and southern US also have regional carriers that beat the pants off AT&T when it comes to pricing as well. Plus other large carriers like T-Mobile and Boost offer significantly better rate plans than AT&T. With T-Mobile I can buy a phone at full retail and pre-pay monthly and enjoy all of the benefits of contracted service. So why should I buy an iPhone and be stuck with AT&T's expensive and extremely poor service? If I'm going to pay that much for monthly phone service, I'm going to Verizon or Sprint. At least I know I'll get coverage and be able to use my phone with them.

You raise some very valid points. Personally, I think that having my main iPod integrated with my cell phone is a major convenience factor that I love. We've been with AT&T (then Cingular) since 2001 and we've never had any major problems... and I haven't had any problems with the AT&T network working on my iPhone, perhaps that's why I'm so pro-iPhone, anti-iPod Touch. Perhaps if the tables were turned I would think otherwise.

[PlatinuM195]

I'm pretty happy with the new iPod touch upgrades, even with a lack of camera and GPS.

BUT, I was hoping for a 16GB at the $199 price point, with the same CPU as the 32/64GB models instead of a slightly cheaper 8GB model with 2nd gen specs.

[billysea]

I guess Apple is going to give the Touch a refresh in January along with the new Shuffle.

[MacFly123]

Good round of updates I'd say! :D

But seriously, the nano has a video camera and the Touch doesn't??? I wonder if they did have problems and will refresh the Touch with a camera after the holidays in January or so.

Also, so the nano can shoot video but NOT take still pics??? :confused:

I am SUPER EXCITED about the new iTunes Movie Extras!!! :D I have been waiting for that since they even got movies! So long DVDs :) And then when they make them all 1080P, SO LONG BLURAY! :D

[AppleNewton]

i think the nano cam is a nice addition for those who dont need/want/cant afford specifically for a touch...except the fact that the touch would make much more sense...able to upload it via facebook/myspace/flickr/email it eetc etc.



but i do like the size increase of the touch.

[turtlebud]

I know not everyone wanted a camera, so for those people that the iPod touch works for, that's cool. I am one of the people that wanted a camera though. Why?

1. I have a cell phone with a 2mp camera, but it's not very good - there's a delay when trying to take pictures and honestly, the quality isn't very good
2. Assuming the iPod touch camera would be similar to the iPhone camera, that would be handy to have all the time, esp with selective focusing and video with editing
3. Integration with apps like amazon, smugmug, facebook, flickr, etc

there might be one or two more points, but I can't remember right now. I'm just so disappointed that even though I was considering upgrading my wife's nano with a new one, I don't want to now. Maybe a bit dramatic? Sure, but that's how disappointed I am

[Beric]

I was waiting to buy an iPod Nano. Wow, now I get one with a movie camera!!!

I for one am happy.....:D

Why all this whining?

The Nano is an excellent buy right now. The problem is the Touch isn't.

[iEvolution]

To see that the iPod Nano got the most updates out of the entire line since from what I've seen the iPod Touch is eclipsing the iPod Nano in terms of sales.

Pleasantly surprised iPod Classic got a capacity bump at all.

[HLdan]

I know not everyone wanted a camera, so for those people that the iPod touch works for, that's cool. I am one of the people that wanted a camera though. Why?

1. I have a cell phone with a 2mp camera, but it's not very good - there's a delay when trying to take pictures and honestly, the quality isn't very good
2. Assuming the iPod touch camera would be similar to the iPhone camera, that would be handy to have all the time, esp with selective focusing and video with editing
3. Integration with apps like amazon, smugmug, facebook, flickr, etc

there might be one or two more points, but I can't remember right now. I'm just so disappointed that even though I was considering upgrading my wife's nano with a new one, I don't want to now. Maybe a bit dramatic? Sure, but that's how disappointed I am

The iPod Touch is not positioned that way. Apple advertises it as a gaming device, period. Yes, it has all the iPhone OS 3.0 features but it's positioned as a gaming device and Apple is going towards Nintendo and Sony's customers with the DS and PSP. They are not adversing it as a device to send pictures over the internet with and videos of your family.

[je_wallace]

I have NEVER felt more disappointed or underwhelmed by an Apple release event then today's. This was absolutely the worst, non-event ever - even with Steve-o there.

The product's all seem tired. Nothing new. Simply a waste of design time.

[SeaFox]

Well, I also think there's plenty of folks out there who want a GPS capable itouch with camera & microphone, and would be willing to pay a bit extra for that.
Yes, and the difference between that and the iPhone is:

No Cell Phone functionality.
No AT&T
No Contract
Doesn't cost $500+ new.So yeah, you just verified what I said. :rolleyes: What people want is pretty much the iPhone at a lower price point without contract.

[destroyboredom]

Not sure if the link was posted in this thread but this should answer some camera/video questions.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/09/in-qa-steve-jobs-snipes-at-amazon-and-praises-ice-cream/?src=twt&twt=nytimesbits

[alent1234]

I honestly don't think a pseudo ipod/laptop device will ever replace laptops (and on that note, neither will netbooks). Why? It's quite simple: call me crazy, but what I do on my laptop isn't limited to checking email and facebook. Taking notes in class, typing essays on the go, working on presentations, that type of thing. I don't see a phone-like device ever properly fulfilling those needs. If it did, I would bet it would cease to be a phone and genuinely be what we call a "laptop". The above is why I don't subscribe to the "convergence" theory. It reminds me too much of the idiom "Jack of all trades, king of none." I don't think specialization is necessarily a bad thing.

most netbooks can do everything a laptop can these days, i just prefer a 15" screen and don't like the smaller screens. only thing netbooks have trouble with is games and playing back HD video

[dextermorgan]

You raise some very valid points. Personally, I think that having my main iPod integrated with my cell phone is a major convenience factor that I love. We've been with AT&T (then Cingular) since 2001 and we've never had any major problems... and I haven't had any problems with the AT&T network working on my iPhone, perhaps that's why I'm so pro-iPhone, anti-iPod Touch. Perhaps if the tables were turned I would think otherwise.

While I will be the first to admit that the convenience of having a phone and media player is one is appealing, I unfortunately live in an area where Verizon is pretty much the only thing that works. In the city AT&T works fine, but once you venture outside of the city limits (which I have to do daily) you get absolutely nothing.

Additionally, while I like many of the apps on my Touch, I was ready to trade it in for a 32GB Nano today. The shine wore off pretty quickly for me. If I have wifi I almost always have my Macbook. While some love pocket computing it's not for me. I will keep my Blackberry for checking something on the fly. There has never been a time when I wanted an app while I had wifi, but there have been countless times I wanted to google something while in the middle of nowhere.

The Touch without wifi is a large screened iPod, while the iPhone simply does not work here.

most netbooks can do everything a laptop can these days, i just prefer a 15" screen and don't like the smaller screens. only thing netbooks have trouble with is games and playing back HD video

For those of us with huge hands netbooks (even the ones with nearly full-sized keyboards) just won't cut it. A netbook is capable of doing what I need a computer to, I am just incapable of using one.

[alent1234]

It's funny you say that the unlimiteds are crap.

My sister has Boost Mobile's unlimited $50 a month plan. She always gets service where I do not.

The other day I was all over the greater LA area. City of Industry, Covina, Whittier, even into the Inland Empire in Rancho Cucamunga, and other cities. I spent more time without a signal than I did with one. And its not just my iPhone, but the iPhones of every one I know that currently owns one. The worst part is that when I had Verizon before switching to AT&T for the iPhone, I had a full five bar signal in every single one of those places I visited the other day with a phone that was free with a two year contract.

You know whats even funnier? Apple has an Apple Store in Rancho Cucamunga. The Victoria Gardens Apple Store. It's a nice store, though small and extremely crowded. Inside the store you get a full 5 bar signal with the iPhone thanks to whatever "Femtocell" or signal repeaters they have. Walk out into the parking lot right next to the JC Penny and your signal drops from 5 bars to 2 or even 1.


Boost may be $50 a month but it's not a full web browser, no enterprise email and you have to pay a lot of money for crappy phones

[Beric]

Yes, and the difference between that and the iPhone is:

No Cell Phone functionality.
No AT&T
No Contract
Doesn't cost $500+ new.So yeah, you just verified what I said. :rolleyes: What people want is pretty much the iPhone at a lower price point without contract.

And you have a problem with that?

[iEvolution]

Yes, and the difference between that and the iPhone is:

No Cell Phone functionality.
No AT&T
No Contract
Doesn't cost $500+ new.So yeah, you just verified what I said. :rolleyes: What people want is pretty much the iPhone at a lower price point without contract.

No thanks I already have a phone, so NO not everyone wants a iPhone without a contract. These all in one devices do one thing poorly, BATTERY support. Two independent devices work far better than a all in one device.

Until a all-in-one device can meet the battery life at the classic for media functions, and AT THE SAME TIME still have plenty of battery life for phone conversations, apps, internet they are of no appeal to me. Battery life is still pathetic on the iPhone.

Unfortunately apple continues to believe THINNER is some how better. [Shuffle for instance] If they'd thicken the device only slightly they could make some serious improvements to the battery.

[redvolvodavid]

Dear Apple,

When are you going to add the video effects to my 3GS? Wouldn't that just be a software issue? Yeah. How about now.

Not that I care if I have a pedometer in my iPhone, but how about enabling that. I'd feel pretty sure that the accelerometer can act as the hardware for that too.

Thanks.

[rychencop]

If only Microsoft had the foresight to add a camera to a Zune HD. Then it'd be an iPod Touch killer!

http://i28.tinypic.com/2w3751y.jpg

not a chance.

[cenetti]

Touch will never be like iphone....

You pay monthly for iphone but you get 3G streaming everywhere!

You don't have to look for wifi spots... Go listen to slacker/pandora/last.fm in the car with ipod touch.... see if you can... lol

Oh and GPS.... without gps...well, it's pretty much useless ... tons of GPS applications and now navigation apps too....


so don't BS yourselves saying... it's iphone without the monthly fee.... Not even close!

[polaris20]

I switched from Verizon to at&t and my price tag is the same, so I am use to this monthly plan. The signal is also the same and in some areas I finally have signal. No cell phone provider is going to work 100% coast to coast.. ever. These unlimited everything for $45-50.00 a month are crap. I was working with a guy who sets up Crickets towers and they only have 3 antennas per cell tower and at&t/Verizon and others have about 12 per tower. I talk to a friend who has Cricket and it's so horrible and I'm on a land line. It's funny because is she goes 10 miles west of her house, shes in roaming. I like the fact that I can go anyplace in the USA and pay the same price. I camp too much to have a deal like that also.

These back and forth debates of "AT&T sucks" and "I don't know what you're problem is, AT&T works great" are all anecdotal. However, given the amount of press that has been given to crappy AT&T service, along with the noise about it on various social networking sites, I'd say that AT&T customers are generally more dissatisfied than Verizon or T-Mobile customers. Just do a Google search.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=UGt&q=AT%26T+bad+reception&start=0&sa=N&cts=1252545039069

[ipodtouch-user]

To see that the iPod Nano got the most updates out of the entire line since from what I've seen the iPod Touch is eclipsing the iPod Nano in terms of sales.

Not for long.

[Makindosh]

I don't care about spec bumps, or dropped prizes, software updates on iPod Touches. Nano isn't for me. Classic isn't for me. iPhone isn't for me.
I don't care about "iPod Touch has a camera" rumors being materialized or not.

iPod Touch with a photo/video camera is the KILLER!

Simple. I will buy 2-3 iPod Touches when they add a photo/video camera on it. Until then bye-bye iPod Touch! Period.

[iEvolution]

I was waiting to buy an iPod Nano. Wow, now I get one with a movie camera!!!

I for one am happy.....:D

Why all this whining?

I have an iPhone 3GS and I love it.

I just ordered a new 16GB nano and I will love it.

For all those whiners out there....sucks to be you!!!

Whining? This happens EVERY iPod Refresh. Even the 2007 updates which had arguably the biggest updates in the iPod Line ever.

[polaris20]

Touch will never be like iphone....

You pay monthly for iphone but you get 3G streaming everywhere!

You don't have to look for wifi spots... Go listen to slacker/pandora/last.fm in the car with ipod touch.... see if you can... lol

Oh and GPS.... without gps...well, it's pretty much useless ... tons of GPS applications and now navigation apps too....


so don't BS yourselves saying... it's iphone without the monthly fee.... Not even close!

The iPod Touch is an iPhone without the phone, GPS and camera, and the $99 a month fee. It's quite close.

So when I continue to talk on my company provided Blackberry, and listen to music, surf the web, and watch movies on my iPod touch, all the while saving $2400 over the two year period, I'll be buying a new MacBook in two years, whereas you'll be left with.......a two year old iPod touch with a built-in phone, GPS, and camera. :D

[Makindosh]

Is it possible to use iphone without phone service plans and without paying the 30 bucks per month for data plans? If yes, then I will buy the iPhone, I think.

[LazersGoPEWPEW]

I might buy one of these new nanos and hold out for an apple tablet. :D

[Beric]

Is it possible to use iphone without phone service plans and without paying the 30 bucks per month for data plans? If yes, then I will buy the iPhone, I think.

I already posted a thread about that in the iPhone section. It will end up costing you around $700 for a 32GB model.

[iEvolution]

The iPod Touch is a supplementary device to those who already have a cell phone. The iPod Touch does not replace the iPhone or do battle with it, it however works quite nicely for those of us [like me] that already have a phone that have features complimentary to the advantages the iPhone holds over the iPod Touch.

Why people continue to compare the two is mind blowing, they are in two different demographics. One is for someone looking for a phone with some extras and another is more media/game focused.

Lets not forget the upgrade limitations you are stuck in with the iPhone.

[Chupa Chupa]

The iPod Touch is an iPhone without the phone, GPS and camera, and the $99 a month fee. It's quite close.

So when I continue to talk on my company provided Blackberry, and listen to music, surf the web, and watch movies on my iPod touch, all the while saving $2400 over the two year period, I'll be buying a new MacBook in two years, whereas you'll be left with.......a two year old iPod touch with a built-in phone, GPS, and camera. :D


Exactly the Touch is an iPhone w/ the phone. Some of us don't have company provided phones or can't use them for personal use. We need a phone anyway, and last I checked, just about any smartphone is $80/mo min. So why not an iPhone. Clearly many, many people see the value vs. it being $2400 down the rat hole. Personally, I find it invaluable and I'd also hate to have to carry two devices around. Yuck.

[Eric S.]

And in case this hasn't been posted (and I missed it in scanning 14 pages in this thread), here are Steverino's comments to the NY Times:

http://www.tuaw.com/2009/09/09/ny-times-asks-steve-answers-why-no-camera-on-the-ipod-touch-an/

[ortuno2k]

I just don't get it. Why can't people be happy with the new iPods? Of course there are always price drops. Of course there are always performance boosts and/or speed gains, or faster or better parts that help the device do its job, better each time? Of course, people are always upset because the NEW iPod is better/faster/has more memory than their existing one... If there were to release a new product with the same features as an existing product... why release a new product in the first place? I thought new products were supposed to include new things and be better.

Why aren't people happy with the current (newly released) iPods? WHY? WTH are people expecting from the darn things? iPods are MEDIA PLAYERS! Remember whey they started? They were strictly MUSIC players. Monochrome screen, a tiny hard drive, no games, no pictures, no video, no wireless, no apps... The rest of the features eventually came on the new ones, but in the end - they are still media players!

Not happy because iPods "x". Not happy because iPods don't do "y". Not happy because Apple doesn't know how to be innovative anymore. Not happy because the iPods aren't free.

I don't see them making any "major" changes to the iPod lines, but rather subtle upgrades and addition of features. They are sticking to what works for them, and the current model of iPods seem to work fine. Why do they have the largest market share? Because it works. No need to reinvent the wheel. The more you ask for, the more issues you are asking for.

Geez. Normally I don't like to rant, but... am I missing something here? What does Apple need to do? Reinvent the wheel?

[iEvolution]

Exactly the Touch is an iPhone w/ the phone. Some of us don't have company provided phones or can't use them for personal use. We need a phone anyway, and last I checked, just about any smartphone is $80/mo min. So why not an iPhone. Clearly many, many people see the value vs. it being $2400 down the rat hole. Personally, I find it invaluable and I'd also hate to have to carry two devices around. Yuck.

Yeah but those two devices will out perform your all in one device any time of the week...specifically battery life. If I were to put my usage of my iPod into an iPhone, plus use the 3G network, plus texting, plus phone conversations, it wouldn't last half a day.

Why not a iPhone you ask?
- As previously mentioned some people already have their phone that works fine for their needs, are already in a contract, or don't want to bother switching.
- AT&T sucks in the persons area
- Two independent devices = better battery life

I hardly consider carrying two devices that both weigh less than a pound a pain, but we all have our preferences.

[dambrosir]

Read gizmodo's blog on what shat Steve Job's said about a lack of a camera on ipod touch, and keep in mind the nintendo DSi has a camera.

http://gizmodo.com/5355959/steve-jobs-gives-his-reasons-for-lack-of-camera-in-ipod-touch

I think it is a lame explanation.

[archurban]

this music event was totally failed. I never pissed on Apple no matter what it was. but this time, with economy depressed, they even removed some required bundle as well. what I really don't understand is why the hell they removed 16GB capacity? do you think that it makes sense? 8, 32, 64GB? something is weird. what did they get crack and cocaine? actually, what new nano has camera is little out of sense than what new ipod touch might get. because after recording videos, you can't upload them immediately through air. you must connect with itunes, then itunes will do that for when new ipod touch (if it gets camera) just uploads through wifi so easily just like iphone. this event has been failed. so what's new features on ipod touch (even can we call that 3rd gen. touch?)? voice control, Open GL stuff, new capacity.... is that all? I used to buy new ipod every year no matter what it was. but this time, I will skip all for the first time on Apple product. come on! Apple. is that what ever you can do for customers?

[MattG]

Lots of biatching...oh well

I'm happy to be getting a 64gb Touch! I'd love if it shipped tomorrow so I could have it for the weekend!

[iEvolution]

Read gizmodo's blog on what shat Steve Job's said about a lack of a camera on ipod touch, and keep in mind the nintendo DSi has a camera.

http://gizmodo.com/5355959/steve-jobs-gives-his-reasons-for-lack-of-camera-in-ipod-touch

I think it is a lame explanation.

Sounds just as lame as the explanation to drop the dual platter classic "because people like thinner". Which is ridiculous because quite frankly those that like the classic aren't going to care how big it is...if they did they'd opt for a nano or something else.

[The Samurai]

Lots of biatching...oh well



As per every post-event dialogue.

[bobertoq]

The new iPod Nano looks extremely attractive to me now. I might ask for one for Christmas. The only reason I don't want it is it's only 16GB and it can't run iPod Touch apps. But the iPod Touch looks a tad too expensive :mad:

[*LTD*]

LOL at 340 posts of mostly whine.

Every iPod refresh.

[utl768]

was going to buy the new 4gb shuffle for my car

i was going to upload my song library to it and then buy a tape adapter but the new shuffle is awful, putting the buttons on the headphones is ridiculous

luckily apple still has some 2gb refurbs from last generation which will suit me just fine

was also dissapointed in the new ipod touch, really wish they had a 100+gb option

[bloodycape]

These back and forth debates of "AT&T sucks" and "I don't know what you're problem is, AT&T works great" are all anecdotal. However, given the amount of press that has been given to crappy AT&T service, along with the noise about it on various social networking sites, I'd say that AT&T customers are generally more dissatisfied than Verizon or T-Mobile customers. Just do a Google search.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=UGt&q=AT%26T+bad+reception&start=0&sa=N&cts=1252545039069

Or even a simple answer just look at the Consumer Reports rating for this year. Yeah some have an issue with the magazine but you still have to think it holds some truth.

[bobertoq]

One of the things that always drove my bananas about Apple's updates was they would update one thing but not update the other.

[polaris20]

Exactly the Touch is an iPhone w/ the phone. Some of us don't have company provided phones or can't use them for personal use. We need a phone anyway, and last I checked, just about any smartphone is $80/mo min. So why not an iPhone. Clearly many, many people see the value vs. it being $2400 down the rat hole. Personally, I find it invaluable and I'd also hate to have to carry two devices around. Yuck.

I'll gladly carry a flip phone from Verizon or T-Mobile and actually get a signal, as well as use my iPod Touch.

The iPhone is a great device, no doubt. But it's a great device saddled with a piss poor network. My opinion? Sure. But something tells me I'm not alone.

[*LTD*]

In the real world, the biggest disappointment was no Beatles news, believe it or not.

But fret not thyself, I'm sure there's a Zune HD somewhere with your name on it.

Apple never promised a camera. In fact, Apple never promised anything, other than unspecified updates to the iPod line. And that is exactly what happened.

You have Macrumors, Appleinsider, and the rest of the Apple fansites on the ass-end of the net to blame. And yourself of course, for getting taken in by the rumors.

[Primejimbo]

It's funny you say that the unlimiteds are crap.

My sister has Boost Mobile's unlimited $50 a month plan. She always gets service where I do not.

The other day I was all over the greater LA area. City of Industry, Covina, Whittier, even into the Inland Empire in Rancho Cucamunga, and other cities. I spent more time without a signal than I did with one. And its not just my iPhone, but the iPhones of every one I know that currently owns one. The worst part is that when I had Verizon before switching to AT&T for the iPhone, I had a full five bar signal in every single one of those places I visited the other day with a phone that was free with a two year contract.

You know whats even funnier? Apple has an Apple Store in Rancho Cucamunga. The Victoria Gardens Apple Store. It's a nice store, though small and extremely crowded. Inside the store you get a full 5 bar signal with the iPhone thanks to whatever "Femtocell" or signal repeaters they have. Walk out into the parking lot right next to the JC Penny and your signal drops from 5 bars to 2 or even 1.

in this area they are, Boost is REALLY bad here. For fun I used them right before I got my iPhone and it was horrible. It took 1-2 mins just to send a text message. As I said 3 antenna Vs. 12 hhmm yea I see the difference.
As I said before, No cell phone carrier will for from coast to coast 100% of them time.. EVER.. Now Boost does have 1 up on most unlimited, they use Sprints network. Now saying that, I don't think Sprint is great in this area. I had them in the past and was able to break my contract without paying a ETF because I was able to prove to them I had no signal where I needed it.
We all know no matter what Apple or AT&T does you won't be happy.

[apple101]

i think they decreased the battery life on the ipod touch. it used to be 36 hours last years and the new one is thirty, correct me if im worng. http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/what-is/ipod.html

[Mjmar]

Where can I find a video of the keynote???

[Primejimbo]

These back and forth debates of "AT&T sucks" and "I don't know what you're problem is, AT&T works great" are all anecdotal. However, given the amount of press that has been given to crappy AT&T service, along with the noise about it on various social networking sites, I'd say that AT&T customers are generally more dissatisfied than Verizon or T-Mobile customers. Just do a Google search.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=UGt&q=AT%26T+bad+reception&start=0&sa=N&cts=1252545039069
I didn't say all at&t customers are happy. I'm just saying I'm not having any issue and I work with people who who also have iPhones (I was the last to get one) and don't have problems. If they were complaining how bad it was, I would have never gotten one. I'm happy and that's all that matters, and what works for one person may not work for others.

[kdarling]

Why not a iPhone you ask?
- As previously mentioned some people already have their phone that works fine for their needs, are already in a contract, or don't want to bother switching.
- AT&T sucks in the persons area
- Two independent devices = better battery life


And... I can give my daughter the touch to play games on while I'm talking to work. Try that with a single iPhone :)

The whole idea of converging everything into one device, only works well in singleton user scenarios. When you've got one family member needing a GPS, another wanting to look at photos, and another wanting to talk on the phone, a single do-it-all device is just the wrong choice.

Unless, of course, you can afford to get everyone a copy of the same device.

[Godzilla71]

Where can I find a video of the keynote???

In the iTunes store do a search for apple keynotes. It's there :)

[cycomiko]

I just love how so many of you are pretending that the lack of a camera in the iPod Touch is a dealbreaker and you are completely dismissing the big storage upgrades. If Apple had put the camera in the iPod Touch, big storage upgrade, bluetooth and FM radio you would've still said it was a lackluster upgrade and said, "I'm pissed, Apple was gonna get my money today until I noticed that they did nothing to the iPod Touch". Get real. :p

I love how you believe your opinion is better than anyone elses. Get real


The 2G iPod Touch owners have no reason to upgrade right now so why are you all the most upset here? If someone doesn't own an iPod Touch this is a great buy for them. Too many of you geeks here think you're the only customers Apple has and needs to please.

When you are the leader of a market segment that is close to topping out, the main way forward is to provide your current user base a quality value proposition to purchase the new model. Apple has a large, and rabid, fan base. A fan base that is willing to plonk down big money in return for a product that they want. There are more people commenting on the dealbreaking camera/mike combo meaning no cash to apple. In my case, i dont need the extra capacity, but I was lookign for the mike/camera combo. my wife got me to wake her early to tell her what the release was like, but I didnt bother, as it wasnt worth it. Replacing two 32gb touches with 64gb touches would give Apple a few more dollars, 800US if I read correctly. My bank account stays happy, Apple gets nothing. Great stuff for apple.

[ipodtouch-user]

LOL at 340 posts of mostly whine.

Every iPod refresh.

Maybe true -- but in this case most people would agree that, in particular, this Apple event was quite lame.

LOL at 340 posts of mostly whine.

Every iPod refresh.

And, by the way, when you have this large a majority of negative feedback, it's not just a case of "whining", it's an indicator that Apple screwed it.

[The Samurai]

When you are the leader of a market segment that is close to topping out, the main way forward is to provide your current user base a quality value proposition to purchase the new model. Apple has a large, and rabid, fan base. A fan base that is willing to plonk down big money in return for a product that they want.

And you think the strategists/decision makers/management at Apple don't know this already?

Good things come to those who wait.

[polaris20]

Maybe true -- but in this case most people would agree that, in particular, this Apple event was quite lame.

Actually I agree, it was pretty lame. It definitely could have been accomplished with a press release.

That being said, while I already have a Touch, a 16GB Nano that does Flip quality video for $50 more while being quite a bit smaller is a pretty attractive concept. It'll be interesting to see the reviews roll in.

They have videos "shot with the Nano" on the new product page, but I'm always skeptical of potentially doctored videos made to look better than they are.

[Beric]

And, by the way, when you have this large a majority of negative feedback, it's not just a case of "whining", it's an indicator that Apple screwed it.

QFT. This is a higher percentage of negatives than I've seen in a while on an official Apple product release.

[bryan10]

I think its a little suspicious that there is no 16gb touch model, because leaving just the 8gb and from there a big jump to the 32gb, i think that the rumor they had problems with some ipods may have been the 16gb touch with video cam, its just a little nonsense to give the nano a cam wile the touch could be more productive with a cam, but i`ll wait for the touch with cam, it may have even an fm receiver too! but still im :mad: with :apple: for the minor update to the touch!

[ipodtouch-user]

I think its a little suspicious that there is no 16gb touch model, because leaving just the 8gb and from there a big jump to the 32gb, i think that the rumor they had problems with some ipods may have been the 16gb touch with video cam, its just a little nonsense to give the nano a cam wile the touch could be more productive with a cam, but i`ll wait for the touch with cam, it may have even an fm receiver too! but still im :mad: with :apple: for the minor update to the touch!

Can you think of any reason the "camera issue" would have affected ONLY a 16GB model ipod touch?

[RazHyena]

How do you think Apple will sell you another Touch next time they update? That's right they will include a camera! Apple knows what they are doing to keep people buying.

Perhaps.

I think it's safe to assume the iPod Touch inventories of retailers will be backed up because no one will be buying them......until they too come with cameras.

Bottom line is, I have no desire to upgrade my 2gen touch now. I don't think Apple realizes how much of a leverage they are giving to competitors, like Zune by coming out with this lame "update."

[wizard]

And, by the way, when you have this large a majority of negative feedback, it's not just a case of "whining", it's an indicator that Apple screwed it.

So because a bunch of people fell for the shysters Apple screwed it? Maybe Apple simply ran into an R&D road block and fell back to a backup plan. Or maybe not the point is they have upgraded the entire line and effectively packed a lot of functionality into the line up.

I just downloaded both the iTunes and the iPhone updates and have to say I'm impressed with the new functionality. For somebody new to a Nano or Touch I suspect they would be very pleased with the package these items provide.




Dave

[HLdan]

I love how you believe your opinion is better than anyone elses. Get real




When you are the leader of a market segment that is close to topping out, the main way forward is to provide your current user base a quality value proposition to purchase the new model. Apple has a large, and rabid, fan base. A fan base that is willing to plonk down big money in return for a product that they want. There are more people commenting on the dealbreaking camera/mike combo meaning no cash to apple. In my case, i dont need the extra capacity, but I was lookign for the mike/camera combo. my wife got me to wake her early to tell her what the release was like, but I didnt bother, as it wasnt worth it. Replacing two 32gb touches with 64gb touches would give Apple a few more dollars, 800US if I read correctly. My bank account stays happy, Apple gets nothing. Great stuff for apple.

It's interesting you think you know more about Apple's business model than they do. :rolleyes:. A company out to increase business for themselves looks for new customers and not just sitting around wondering how can we please our existing customers. Guess what? They already have you so they don't need to keep pleasing the MR crowd to stay in business. And before you say the ever popular threat, "Well, I'll just buy a ZuneHD, guess what again, you won't because you and many of the other people here wouldn't be writing so much passionate whining if it was so easy to give up on Apple's products.
If I wasn't happy with a product release from a company I would search for other options rather than acting like my mommy didn't feed me dinner. I honestly believe less than 5% of these posters who say they were gonna plop down cash to get a new iPod Touch and now they are not. Either they are just blowing smoke or they had no intention of buying in the first place, they just wanna join in on the expected ranting we always get here on ANY product release from Apple.

Ha, it's funny some people here always say "Apple Blew it", "Apple is gonna fail at this release", "Apple has lost me and many others after this update" and what's even funnier is Apple's sales keep rising quarter after quarter, especially with the drop in the economy.:p

[Ericatomars]

Are You Kidding Me No Camera In The Touch But In The Nano... Who The H**l Cares About The Nano... This Stinks, There Is No Reason Why The Touch Shouldn't Have A Camera!

[gloomcookie1]

So because a bunch of people fell for the shysters Apple screwed it? Maybe Apple simply ran into an R&D road block and fell back to a backup plan. Or maybe not the point is they have upgraded the entire line and effectively packed a lot of functionality into the line up.

I just downloaded both the iTunes and the iPhone updates and have to say I'm impressed with the new functionality. For somebody new to a Nano or Touch I suspect they would be very pleased with the package these items provide.




Dave

I completely agree...I think iTunes and the store refresh is fantastic and is getting way under appreciated...especially really digging down into all the updates they have done on iTunes. The store is very nicely done and I think a lot easier to navigate and that was no small task. Since I have the 3G I haven't noticed all that much with the 3.1 update but the genius app function is nice. And I have to say the nano has me very intrigued. I'm just failing to see what a little camera in the Touch would have made this event that more exciting...and for all those saying they're money is going to the Zune, have a great time taking pictures with your new Zune ;)

And, Steve Jobs doing the keynote...that was a heck of a lot more important than a little camera in the Touch :apple:

[wizard]

Perhaps.

I think it's safe to assume the iPod Touch inventories of retailers will be backed up because no one will be buying them......until they too come with cameras.

That narrow view is your defect, the vast majority of the potential users have no desire for a camera. I actually think what will happen is the opposite of what you suggest, that is Apple will have a huge burst in sales.


Bottom line is, I have no desire to upgrade my 2gen touch now. I don't think Apple realizes how much of a leverage they are giving to competitors, like Zune by coming out with this lame "update."

What is wrong with you? Did you really expect to get exactly what you wanted from this update. For that matter what had you thinking cameras where coming - rumor sites. If so you deserve all the mental discomfort you are experiencing.

Now it is not like I don't have the image of a perfect Touch in my mind. It is just that I realize that Apple has it's own pressures and issues to deal with. Better in this situation to look at the positives, the lower price, the higher capacity and faster speeds. If these are not important to you then don't upgrade but also don't whine like a baby in a wet blanket.




Dave

[Beric]

Are You Kidding Me No Camera In The Touch But In The Nano... Who The H**l Cares About The Nano... This Stinks, There Is No Reason Why The Touch Shouldn't Have A Camera!

Apparently the Nano sells a LOT better than the Touch. And its market sector is more competitive.

Of course I see no reason why Apple shouldn't make the Touch as competitive a product as possible. So that's why I don't get the update.

[gloomcookie1]

Ha, it's funny some people here always say "Apple Blew it", "Apple is gonna fail at this release", "Apple has lost me and many others after this update" and what's even funnier is Apple's sales keep rising quarter after quarter, especially with the drop in the economy.:p

I think that there are just a lot of bitter people out there who have been trying to predict Apple's demise for years now and it's apparent Apple knows a heck of a lot more than these people writing about them. :cool:

[ipodtouch-user]

So because a bunch of people fell for the shysters Apple screwed it? Maybe Apple simply ran into an R&D road block and fell back to a backup plan. Or maybe not the point is they have upgraded the entire line and effectively packed a lot of functionality into the line up.

I just downloaded both the iTunes and the iPhone updates and have to say I'm impressed with the new functionality. For somebody new to a Nano or Touch I suspect they would be very pleased with the package these items provide.

Dave

As you can plainly see, there was a clear market and consumer interest for certain functionalities for the ipod touch line. My point is that apple screwed it by not recognizing this at all.

Again, this much higher level of negative feedback to Apple's event indicates that something was missed.

[ipodtouch-user]

Ha, it's funny some people here always say "Apple Blew it", "Apple is gonna fail at this release", "Apple has lost me and many others after this update" and what's even funnier is Apple's sales keep rising quarter after quarter, especially with the drop in the economy.:p

Just look at the amount of negative feedback pouring in here...and, by the way, if you check out the various online news articles covering Apple's event and scan the reader feedback forums there, it's the same picture.

[splashnader]

Have all of you calmed down now. People on Macrumors are funny people. I mean that in a good way of course. Everybody upset now, but come next week they will be sneaking down to the apple store on their lunch break to purchase their new Nano's and Touches and will pretend like none of this ever happened. You all know you will, don't hide it.

When you go to bed tonight and wake up in the morning, you will forget all about what you were so upset about to begin with. It's that Steve Jobs sleeping dust that he will sprinkle on all the "fanboys" pillows as they slip into a deep sleep. Jobs will just have to visit a few more homes tonight, that's all - no biggie.

You all know that you will be back, you always come back.

[gloomcookie1]

As you can plainly see, there was a clear market and consumer interest for certain functionalities for the ipod touch line. My point is that apple screwed it by not recognizing this at all.

Again, this much higher level of negative feedback to Apple's event indicates that something was missed.

I think what most people are missing is that Apple never promised or hinted toward a camera in the iPod Touch. People think this is an issue of when the iPhone was released and then a couple of months later they lowered price and the original iPhone owners complained and got some compensation for that...that's not going to happen no matter how many people complain. Does that mean that with enough pressure that Apple won't come out with a Touch with a camera, probably not, I mean who would have guessed an FM radio in an iPod. I don't think Apple screwed anything though and are a lot smarter than most people think. The old adage is bad press is better than no press and I think in todays guess they get the best of both worlds with bad and good press. I do love how we all become prognosticators of multi-million dollar businesses though - it is fun to fantasize...just like fantasizing about a camera in an iPod Touch for some other people....

[Eric S.]

I guess I must be the only one who is happy with today's developments.

- Classic still alive
- no camera on the touch
- iTunes still 32-bit

All positive, from my point of view.

[wizard]

I completely agree...I think iTunes and the store refresh is fantastic and is getting way under appreciated...especially really digging down into all the updates they have done on iTunes. The store is very nicely done and I think a lot easier to navigate and that was no small task.

I haven't had the time to go into it in depth but iTunes the App is certainly nicer and like wise the store.

Since I have the 3G I haven't noticed all that much with the 3.1 update but the genius app function is nice.

I'm the owner of an older 3G and so far it appears to be behaving better. It looks like it is speedier ( hey Snappier ). Time and usage will tell of course but I'm hoping that many bugs have been hammered flat.

And I have to say the nano has me very intrigued. I'm just failing to see what a little camera in the Touch would have made this event that more exciting...and for all those saying they're money is going to the Zune, have a great time taking pictures with your new Zune ;)

Hopefully some of the people claiming to be ready to jump to Zune will quickly realize how stupid they look in this forum. As to the idea of a camera in Touch that will likely happen in the future but frankly there is a whole bunch of other features I'd rather see in the Touch before that camera arrives.

And, Steve Jobs doing the keynote...that was a heck of a lot more important than a little camera in the Touch :apple:

Yes far more important. It was good to see him get that standing ovation.



Dave

[RazHyena]

The vast majority of the potential users have no desire for a camera.

YAY! Let's see the proof! I'm waiting. This should be good. :rolleyes:



What is wrong with you? Did you really expect to get exactly what you wanted from this update. For that matter what had you thinking cameras where coming - rumor sites. If so you deserve all the mental discomfort you are experiencing.

Now it is not like I don't have the image of a perfect Touch in my mind. It is just that I realize that Apple has it's own pressures and issues to deal with. Better in this situation to look at the positives, the lower price, the higher capacity and faster speeds. If these are not important to you then don't upgrade but also don't whine like a baby in a wet blanket.

Dave

*yawn* Look, if you can't see all of the discontent over this "update" that's your problem. Nobody cares. What I see is my local target offering $25 iTunes cards with the purchase of a new iPod Touch because the backstock of the units is burgeoning. Happens after almost every refresh....except this time, it's going to be waaaay worse.

You have a super day.

[The Samurai]

I guess I must be the only one who is happy with today's developments.

- Classic still alive
- no camera on the touch
- iTunes still 32-bit

All positive, from my point of view.

I'm with you ;)

[suss2it]

Hopefully some of the people claiming to be ready to jump to Zune will quickly realize how stupid they look in this forum. As to the idea of a camera in Touch that will likely happen in the future but frankly there is a whole bunch of other features I'd rather see in the Touch before that camera arrives.
DaveThe only benefit that Zunes have over iPods as far as I'm concerned is the HD playback... which I doubt Apple wants to enable so they can keep their :apple:TV alive.

[FCPnewbie]

I honestly don't think a pseudo ipod/laptop device will ever replace laptops (and on that note, neither will netbooks). Why? It's quite simple: call me crazy, but what I do on my laptop isn't limited to checking email and facebook. Taking notes in class, typing essays on the go, working on presentations, that type of thing. I don't see a phone-like device ever properly fulfilling those needs.

That's exactly where I think these things are going. Most people who lug around laptops aren't doing heavy lifting on them like using Photoshop or Final Cut, but are doing the types of tasks you've just stated. We use them for entertainment, web browsing, and light productivity. Sure there are some exceptions to the rule, but I'm speaking in generalities. An iPhone sized device or maybe just slightly larger could do the same job that most of our laptops do if they continue to progress in terms of processing power, memory and interface improvements.

[LazersGoPEWPEW]

I care less about the camera than I do that the new iPod touch lacks an internal microphone.

[Speedy2]

The couple of reviews I have read, and. discussions on other forums. Plus, I have a Mini with rockbox, and compared it to friends Zune, and with the same phones Sennheiser HD465 I found the Zune to sound better.

Do you have a link?

[ipodtouch-user]

I care less about the camera than I do that the new iPod touch lacks an internal microphone.

Seriously - what could have been so damn difficult about at least including that. What was Apple's rationale there??

[iSamurai]

iPod nano has FM radio?! I hope they will expand that eventually onto its iPods/iPhones...

[Gen]

Steve Jobs Q&A why Touch didn't get camera;
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/09/in-qa-steve-jobs-snipes-at-amazon-and-praises-ice-cream/

Q.
You put a camcorder on the iPod Nano. Why not on the iPod Touch?

A.
Originally, we weren’t exactly sure how to market the Touch. Was it an iPhone without the phone? Was it a pocket computer? What happened was, what customers told us was, they started to see it as a game machine. Because a lot of the games were free on the store. Customers started to tell us, “You don’t know what you’ve got here — it’s a great game machine, with the multitouch screen, the accelerometer, and so on.”

We started to market it that way, and it just took off. And now what we really see is it’s the lowest-cost way to the App Store, and that’s the big draw. So what we were focused on is just reducing the price to $199. We don’t need to add new stuff — we need to get the price down where everyone can afford it.

[Speedy2]

They already have you so they don't need to keep pleasing the MR crowd to stay in business.

What kind of nonsense is that? Potential upgraders are customers as well.



Ha, it's funny some people here always say "Apple Blew it", "Apple is gonna fail at this release", "Apple has lost me and many others after this update" and what's even funnier is Apple's sales keep rising quarter after quarter, especially with the drop in the economy.:p


iPod sales are barely rising anymore. They said they would expect future growth from more iPod touch/iPhone sales instead of "legacy" iPods (including the nano)

So how exactly will limiting the touch's feature set boost sales? In my opinion it's pretty obvious that the "production issue" rumour is true and we can expect a new iPod touch within a few months. Including a camera, microphone and maybe other things.

In other words: Apple botched it this time.

[RazHyena]

Steve Jobs Q&A why Touch didn't get camera;
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/09/in-qa-steve-jobs-snipes-at-amazon-and-praises-ice-cream/

Q.
You put a camcorder on the iPod Nano. Why not on the iPod Touch?

A.
Originally, we weren’t exactly sure how to market the Touch. Was it an iPhone without the phone? Was it a pocket computer? What happened was, what customers told us was, they started to see it as a game machine. Because a lot of the games were free on the store. Customers started to tell us, “You don’t know what you’ve got here — it’s a great game machine, with the multitouch screen, the accelerometer, and so on.”

We started to market it that way, and it just took off. And now what we really see is it’s the lowest-cost way to the App Store, and that’s the big draw. So what we were focused on is just reducing the price to $199. We don’t need to add new stuff — we need to get the price down where everyone can afford it.

Interesting link.

So basically it's all about the app store. :o

.........hooray?

[Speedy2]

we need to get the price down where everyone can afford it.


Yeah right.
What a bunch of lame excuses.
What Steve says might be the reason why the old 8GB model is still sold at a lower price, but if you can afford to put a camera in a $149 device, you sure as hell can put one in a $399 device.

[wizard]

As you can plainly see, there was a clear market and consumer interest for certain functionalities for the ipod touch line. My point is that apple screwed it by not recognizing this at all.

You can believe that if you want but I'm not to sure the percentage of people out there looking for an MP3 player and marginal cell phone Camera combo is all that great. As to the lack of that camera have you considered that maybe Apple had plans for something better than run of the mill and could get the tech on board for whatever reason. Maybe Apple didn't want to sulky thier flag ship tablet with a middling camera.


Again, this much higher level of negative feedback to Apple's event indicates that something was missed.

Or simply people jumped on the beat up Apple bandwagon. Take it another way where people can't separate reality from a rumor site.

Seriously would people even care if it wasn't for getting all worked up over baseless rumors? It is the same thing with some of the Tablet rumors where people get wrapped up in expectations even when there is no product in sight.

Don't get me wrong I love speculating about potential tablets and other Apple hardware but I try to keep my wish list and reality separated. I bring up tablets because I know without a doubt we will see the same sort of threads and the negativity no matter what Apple introduces. This is really sad as people should be happy that at least a portion of Apples customer base will be happy. Even worst we have people buying into the idea that a tablet would be a good place to run desktop Mac apps, thinking is sometimes required in the forums. That thinking needs to reflect what is possible with a given tech.


Dave

[wizard]

iPod nano has FM radio?! I hope they will expand that eventually onto its iPods/iPhones...

FM would be very good. Even better would be FM, Digital TV and shortwave. Digital TV front ends are down to one chip now. But Apple needs to start somewhere and FM is a very good place to start.


Dave

[ipodtouch-user]

Steve Jobs Q&A why Touch didn't get camera;
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/09/in-qa-steve-jobs-snipes-at-amazon-and-praises-ice-cream/

Q.
You put a camcorder on the iPod Nano. Why not on the iPod Touch?

A.
Originally, we weren’t exactly sure how to market the Touch. Was it an iPhone without the phone? Was it a pocket computer? What happened was, what customers told us was, they started to see it as a game machine. Because a lot of the games were free on the store. Customers started to tell us, “You don’t know what you’ve got here — it’s a great game machine, with the multitouch screen, the accelerometer, and so on.”

We started to market it that way, and it just took off. And now what we really see is it’s the lowest-cost way to the App Store, and that’s the big draw. So what we were focused on is just reducing the price to $199. We don’t need to add new stuff — we need to get the price down where everyone can afford it.

Yeah - that was an extremely lame and "hedging" answer by Jobs.

"So, if the iPhone is mostly a portable communications and business device, then why put all those games and other media crap on there," one could argue.

The ipod touch is seen by Jobs as only a "gaming device"?? Yeah Steve-O, forget about all the potential marketability of the geolocation/GPS features/accelerometer (travel, education, personal productivity markets), "enhanced reality" applications that were supposed to come down the pike, built-in video, microphone without having to fiddle with a stupid string around your neck...

No, people don't want ANY of that - just something that will play games.

Oh man, LAAAAAAAME.

[HLdan]

Just look at the amount of negative feedback pouring in here...and, by the way, if you check out the various online news articles covering Apple's event and scan the reader feedback forums there, it's the same picture.

That doesn't mean anything. MR, Notebook Review, MacNN and several other online Mac forums plus blog sites don't even make up a 10th of Apple's customer base and thank goodness they don't. Think of these people as the critics to the celebrities because that's what they are. Thank goodness the celebs don't rely on album and concert sales from the critics alone, they wouldn't be in business. Thank goodness Apple doesn't rely on sales from the forums and blog sites, they would be out of business failing from trying to please every complaining person they will never live to please.
Give these forum members and blog sites the moon and they will still complain that they want the sun.

[Makindosh]

No wonder stock is down...

[wizard]

Just skimmed it but between the mail and Apple home page I'd say we are missing the details with respect to what happened with Touch. Maybe the camera failure is true and this is simply a bump release to hold them over until the kinks are worked out of the features slated for the new model.

The other possibility is that the have a new hardware theme for the Touch machines and the coming tablets. The idea being to release everything based on this scheme in one shot.


Dave

[turtlebud]

though this is a scientific analysis, just look at the difference in reaction from last year's ipod touch announcement to this years.

Last year: 81 Positive, 110 Negative
http://www.macrumors.com/2008/09/09/2nd-generation-ipod-touch-2-1-firmware-speaker-thinner/

This year: 67 Positive, 314 Negative
http://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/09/apple-updates-entire-ipod-family-bringing-capacity-and-performance-bumps-to-ipod-touch-and-video-camera-to-ipod-nano/

To me, that says that you're always going to get some people that are happy and some people that are disappointed, but when you have almost 5x as many people that rate as negative as positive, then I think that's pretty telling.

[ipodtouch-user]

Give these forum members and blog sites the moon and they will still complain that they want the sun.

These aren't pie-in-the-sky wishes of potential buyers we're talking about -- these are some basic hardware additions that would allow users to make
more full use of many applications that exist and are being developed for the app store -- and if Steve Jobs sees the touch as the lowest price point option for people to have access to the iTunes store then give the darn device some functionalities to make the fullest use of those applications.

[suss2it]

I never understood what's so good about FM Radio. I've got all the songs I need everywhere I go so what's the point?

[RareEarthMetal]

Wack.

[kjs862]

not sure if this was said before, but the fact that Phil said that the iPod Touch does not require a contract makes me think that the iPhone is going to be stuck on ATT and maybe not come to VZW

[turtlebud]

last year, I bought an 1G ipod Touch and even paid for the 2.0 software update because I wanted to try out the app store. as soon as the 2G ipod Touch was released, I was compelled to get it because it was considerably better than the 1G ipod Touch.

i've had the 2G ipod Touch for exactly a year now (much longer than I had the 1G ipod Touch before I upgraded to the 2G ipod Touch) and I have NO desire to upgrade to the 3G ipod Touch. Some people may say that Apple is trying to reach the market that doesn't already have iPod touches, but I think the smartest thing you can do from a business sense is to get people that don't have touches AND people that DO have touches to want to upgrade. Don't you make more money that way than if you give those that bought touches in the past year little incentive to upgrade?

[HLdan]

So how exactly will limiting the touch's feature set boost sales? In my opinion it's pretty obvious that the "production issue" rumour is true and we can expect a new iPod touch within a few months. Including a camera, microphone and maybe other things.


Firstly I never said limiting a feature would boost sales, nor did I say that it's stupid to add any new features including the camera. And exactly to whom are you referring to would actually KNOW that a certain feature has been left out of the new iPod Touch? Answer, existing customers of the iPod Touch that stay in tune with geeky news online or any other Apple geek. Most people don't even know how to turn on their computers since they can't find the power button. Most people buy $$$$ Plasma TV's only to surf like a couch potato all day and never use the extra features the TV can perform. The majority of Apple's customers who were considering an iPod Touch don't give a rats behind about a camera NOT being in the new model.

Heck, for all most customers know the geeks on MR were expecting a brain operated iPod Touch that plays songs based on your thoughts as well as next generation Blu-Ray movies.

I saw a girl at the grocery store playing with her iPhone today and I asked her if she downloaded the new 3.1.1 update today. Her reply was, "huh? an update? What's that"? Most people don't care like theses online geeks.

[martint84]

I never understood what's so good about FM Radio. I've got all the songs I need everywhere I go so what's the point?

SPORTS!

[ipodtouch-user]

The majority of Apple's customers who were considering an iPod Touch don't give a rats behind about a camera NOT being in the new model. .

Have you been reading the posts here and the reactions elsewhere buddy??

[hobbbz]

iPhone 3.1 has a new scrolling list in safari if you click and hold a link instead of the static buttons it has before.

[gators21]

I think it was smart of apple to wait and add a camera. With the zune hd coming out soon, i foresee apples next release to include:

1. A camera
2. OLED screen
3. Radio
4. maybe tegra

And use the camera to 1 up microsoft.

cause right now i would choose the zune hd over this, if i was to update my 1st gen ipod touch. But im going to wait and see what apple does with their next uptade to make a decision.

[queshy]

What song is in the new iPod nano ad? I posted this in the keynote thread but I think people are more likely to know here/

Re: the updates, the new nano is cool but disappointingly doesn't take pictures. The special edition shuffle is cool, but I can't use my Shure's so what's the point? The new ipod touch is nice at a lower price, but why no camera? iTunes 9 is cool so far, and 3.1 --- can't really tell I'm on it/ The best news of the day is w/o a doubt Jobs!

[automan98]

Overall great. The real disappointment is lack of ability to take pictures. I was hoping this would eliminate the need for a point and shoot camera. The Flip comparison isn't really fair when you take into account the Flip's HD capability.

[jmcguckin]

well, I just finished watching the keynote after spending all day away from the rumor sites (i.e. not wanting to have anything spoil the "surprise"), and little did I realize that the only "surprise" was that Steve Jobs appeared on stage... everything else was downright yawn-worthy, particularly with the lackluster showing in the iPod touch category. while 64GB storage and a faster processor are nice, I'm caught between these and the impressive new lineup of features in the iPod nano- oh wait, except for the fact that it's still a clickwheel iPod... until Apple release a 128 (or at least 64) GB iPod touch with photo/video camera and the additional features (for some reason) only found in the new iPod nano, I'm going to hang on to my hard-earned $400.

my rating of this announcement-
Steve Jobs on stage- 8/10 : the fact that he was up there and appeared to be in at least decent shape was a big enough deal for me, but the other presenters were on the stage for a majority of the time, so I was still a bit disappointed...
iPod updates-
* touch- 4/10 : nothing worth my money in this area...
* shuffle- 4/10 : again, nothing worth my money, though the "special edition" version does look nice...
* classic- 2/10 : just a storage bump, really?
* nano- 8/10 : nice to see a larger screen, camera, and new finish, but the 16GB maximum capacity leaves a lot to be desired...
iTunes 9- 2/10 : after installing and using it for just a few minutes, I already hate the new UI. give me back the simplicity of iTunes 4 or 5 and I'll be happy, until then, it's still a bloated hunk of software... which still isn't offered in a 64-bit version.

overal rating- 5/10 : glad to see Steve back, but there was almost nothing worth my attention in new product announcements, and the remainder of the keynote was a major let-down... over half of it was nothing more than a shameless plug for the App Store/games, and that's at least half an hour I would much rather have spent doing something productive.

here's to hoping Apple release at least something news-worthy before the end of the year, because this latest event fell far short of what I was hoping for/expecting...

[steve333]

This makes it really easy to pick my new ipod as soon as I buy a new Mac-hey, Apple, you going to increase the base RAM to 2Gb on the Mini any time soon?. The Nano is the obvious choice with the camera (can it also take photos?) and FM Tuner. Oops, I see it doesn't take pictures, how amazingly stupid is that!?
The other updates were beyond lame.

[Pigumon]

I guess I must be the only one who is happy with today's developments.

- Classic still alive
- no camera on the touch
- iTunes still 32-bit

All positive, from my point of view.

Why would anyone vote against a useful feature like a camera? That doesn't make any sense at all. It's not like they were going to add feces colorometer or something. This is a camera, something most people would use, and the way they tout the Touch being Wi-Fi and connected with apps like Flickr and Facebook, it only makes PERFECT sense to have a camera.

They didn't do it because of the nano. oh well.

[ipodtouch-user]

The Nano is the obvious choice with the camera (can it also take photos?)

No.

[kryptonianjorel]

This makes it really easy to pick my new ipod as soon as I buy a new Mac-hey, Apple, you going to increase the base RAM to 2Gb on the Mini any time soon?. The Nano is the obvious choice with the camera (can it also take photos?) and FM Tuner.
The other updates were beyond lame.

No photos. Pogue had an interview with Jobs that said that the hardware to give a good auto-focus, high resolution still imaging camera to the nano was too thick for the device.

It also said that the touch is now a gaming device, as that is what customers said they thought of it as. ******** if you ask me...

I'm glad I picked up my 2nd gen touch right after last year's event, because the expected capacity bump would not have been worth the wait. I don't care if the new touch is faster, it doesn't need to play crysis...

[ipodtouch-user]

...and the way they tout the Touch being Wi-Fi and connected with apps like Flickr and Facebook, it only makes PERFECT sense to have a camera.


You would think.

[kryptonianjorel]

They didn't do it because of the nano. oh well.

No, they didn't do it because of the iPhone. It would make the touch just a proper bluetooth stack away (and GPS) from being an iPhone.

I've been tempted in the past to just by a used iPhone off ebay and not get a contract for it...

[corywoolf]

I'm in disbelief they finally added built in FM. Wow, after waiting this long... then again, they did discontinue the Radio Remote recently that was the only option for FM radio on an iPod. I really like the price and features the nano has gotten. I am still happy with my 2 GB silver 2G nano though.

[DirtWarden]

I think it was smart of apple to wait and add a camera. <...snip...>

cause right now i would choose the zune hd over this, if i was to update my 1st gen ipod touch. But im going to wait and see what apple does with their next uptade to make a decision.

As a pure media device I guess I can see the comparison. But do people really view the zzZune HD as a platform, as the Touch is? Not trying to answer my own question: really interested in whether or not I'm missing the point here. To me, the value of the Touch is in the apps, just as Jobs intended it to be. Is that the right way to view it?

[BillyBobBongo]

Have you been reading the posts here and the reactions elsewhere buddy??

People that want to whine post reactions...those of us who couldn't care less don't tend to bother. ;)

[allmIne]

I call Apple greed on this one. Not wanting to cannibalizing the iPhone sales over giving customers the innovation they want... which was what Apple was originally created for!

They've dropped the 16GB to make customers who think the 8GB is too wimpy, upgrade to the 32GB. :mad:

Call me jaded, but who wants to bet AT&T had a say in nixing the camera/mic?

[Bold text OP's own]

Millions of iPhones, and indeed Touches, sold worldwide, and you think AT+T had a decision changing say? There's a whole big world out there, beyond America.

ipodtouch-user, you joined on September 9th, with that username, solely to post 32 responses in the one thread?

Toys, pram, much?

[Eric S.]

iPod nano has FM radio?! I hope they will expand that eventually onto its iPods/iPhones...

Why? Have you listened to that crud lately?

Why would anyone vote against a useful feature like a camera?

Because I have no desire for a camera, and an aversion to feature bloat.

[steve333]

I would have rather had the camera than the video.

[bloodycape]

Why? Have you listened to that crud lately?

That depends on where you live? In some areas the radio is actually fairly decent. Then again at my gym if you want to watch what playing on the TV then you have use FM reception to listen to it. So FM can come in handy.

[coldmack]

That depends on where you live? In some areas the radio is actually fairly decent. Then again at my gym if you want to watch what playing on the TV then you have use FM reception to listen to it. So FM can come in handy.

THat is what a casset player is for.

[bigandtasty]

Apple could have had $300 from me today if the new iPod Touch had a built in camera with video. The iPod Touch update is lame.

50% Faster x2 the Storage?

Those are impressive and not lame. The iPhone has a camera and gps, if you need it, just go that route instead of touch. It would be a huge upgrade over the crappy flip phone your currently carrying in your pocket!:)

[iSamurai]

The iPod nano is near perfect. I don't want some cheezy effects. They're totally useless. Give me a feature to take photos. Even if at 640x480 I don't care.

Some ppl might say, oh, you're gonna complain to apple that the camera is ***** because it takes only 640x480 pictures. No. At least with that than nothing. A software update should do. But that depends on apple which I highly doubt, perhaps until the next nano with a better camera resolution.

The Nike+ chip should be made even cheaper... looks good. I really don't want to run with my brick iPhone. FM radio is a ++++++ because now that I can listen to the radio in the morning. Just like what apple has said on the iPod page.

[laravia18]

I personally would like to have seen an FM tuner in more models than just the nano. I could really care less about the video. I would like an "all-purpose" music solution.

I agree! The biggest joke was that the FM tuner is only available on the nano. All of the ipods are music players first. The FM tuner should be on all the devices. That was a huge disappointment and I hope they had some hardware already in the ipod touch where this can be fixed with a software update.

Camera on an iPod Touch makes no sense to me. I don't want to pay extra to carry around a mediocre camera when most people already have mediocre cameras on their phones.

[sdbryan]

Um . . . Apple has had nothing but ideas for ...iPods are slowly being eclipsed by iPhones. The phoneless mp3/mediaplayer is dying. We all need to accept that.

Uh, no. Why are so many people confused about legacy devices and networks? Analog voice network goes back decades but it is just an application on a modern network. Fax modems were important for economic, legacy reasons in the 90's but the important function was connectivity to the internet. What remains today is connectivity to the internet while fax functionality is small and diminishing. Like telex it will eventually vanish. Fax is replaced by more capable digital image applications tailored to specific needs rather than the scanned image fits all mindset.

Apple needed to treat voice telephony and existing cellphone networks special in order to be in the game as the transition occurs, hence the iPhone. But there is no real future in transporting the legacy voice network with all its illogical pricing and monopoly structure to the digital network as it evolves (text message bits priced like gold versus the price of audio bits and video bits). That is why Apple also makes the iPod touch which doesn't include the extraneous baggage. It is not that there won't be voice communication over the internet. But it will be accomplished with innovative and more capable apps rather than a digital carbon copy of the legacy analog infrastructure.

[duck apple]

Looks like I'm $400 richer for a while. Next update when I can get GPS and 64GB, and the Touch didn't cross the bar. Figure I'll buy in again next year when either the iPhone grows, or the Touch adds GPS.
Me too. But I also beg for 3.5G internet connection.

[duck apple]

... and im not a huge fan of the ipod touch because I like physical controls and its quite a bit easier to not constantly be having to take out the ipod touch to look at where i need to tough to even skip a song.
The new 32G/64G iPod touch support voice control and bundled the mic/headphone so you can control iPod player simply by talking into the mic (not just next/previous; you can ask it to play song by calling the artist or the song name, just like with the iPhone 3GS).

[duck apple]

With the Zune HD coming out in a couple of days, OLED Screen, HD radio, wireless,HD-compatible video,full web browser, Nvidia's much-hyped Tegra chipset, sleek new design, lower price, YOU WOULD THINK apple would be on the ball with the ipod touch update, GUESS NOT.
All those higher spec. parts and lower price point guarantee a crap, just the same as those PC.

[eTip]

I honestly have lost a bit of respect for apple after seeing their video showing the "xray" effect for the ipod nano camera. It shows people acting like zombies and it makes it look like you can see their bones. Anyone who knows technology will know they just have the bones printed on their shirts but to average people they will think that the camera can actually show their bones.

I understand they want money but this is just wrong. My respect for apple just went down.

Check out the ad here http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/features/video-camera.html scroll down to the video effects part of the page and click the "xray" video.

I agree. And also average people viewing the "cyborg" effect (on the same page) will think the camera comes with an actual (squirt) gun attachment. Anyone who knows technology will know that cyborgs don't use squirt guns, though.

[pika2000]

Okay, let's bring the rumors. Notice the big gap on the Touch lineup, 8GB, then 32GB? Where's the 16GB? And Steve said "See you soon"?

October event, the TRUE 3G Touch with video camera, 16GB for $249, 32GB for $349, filling the gaps nicely. :) Who's with me?

[JG271]

I think the most annoying thing about the modern range of iPods is the lack of correlation between price and capacity? Maybe i'm just old fasioned, but i'd be happy with a 20/30/40gb classic... as long as it charges from my speakers!

[Morriss]

What song is in the new iPod nano ad? I posted this in the keynote thread but I think people are more likely to know here
Bourgeois Shangri-La by Miss Li

http://www.wahaha.com.tw/?p=1375

[Spanna]

Does anyone know if the new ipods will be available at the bondi junction Apple store in sydney tomorrow.

[dazzer21]

Well, for what it's worth, here's my take:

I think that pitching the main reason for the iPod Touch's existence as being a games machine is just wrong!! The games will never be as polished or spectacular as on the other handheld consoles, because that's what the DS/PSP were designed to do in the first place.

<Long sentence coming up - deep breath...>

If I'm faced with the choice of an established, specifically designed GAMES console, with a comprehensive range of complex, familiar titles and with it's controls geared SPECIFICALLY for gaming, and a device which, as *fantastically impressive* as it is, the iPod Touch requires a LOT of input on its games to be carried out using the screen itself, to all intents and purposes REDUCING the gaming experience due to a proportion of the screen being ultimately invisible (as it's under your fingers), I'll take the d-pad and the buttons! Sure, it's a revolution as far as the gaming EXPERIENCE is concerned - just (and this is only my opinion) not as rewarding...

What the iPod Touch SHOULD be, and up until now I think HAS been, is the jewel in the iPod crown - a Jack of all Trades, not just a music player, doing everything it does brilliantly. I think that the camera omission is wrong, and that there ought to be a version which is exactly an iPhone without the phone - for those who don't NEED the phone. For one, if it has the compass feature built in as well, let's see a Zune do Augmented Reality - that could be a killer feature!!

I think that, OK, leave the camera out of the lower spec'd versions - really drive the price down on those and gain a whole new crowd who previously would only look on and salivate! Put a camera in the upper-end ones (remember, Apple is the king when it comes to high end, prestige computing...) and people *will* pay the extra for the killer features that it could bring along for the ride...

And, for God's sake - VGA?!! My crappy Samsung mobile has a 5Mp camera in it!! Come on, Apple - cutting edge! Cutting edge...

[MorphingDragon]

Well, for what it's worth, here's my take:

I think that pitching the main reason for the iPod Touch's existence as being a games machine is just wrong!! The games will never be as polished or spectacular as on the other handheld consoles, because that's what the DS/PSP were designed to do in the first place.

<Long sentence coming up - deep breath...>

If I'm faced with the choice of an established, specifically designed GAMES console, with a comprehensive range of complex, familiar titles and with it's controls geared SPECIFICALLY for gaming, and a device which, as *fantastically impressive* as it is, the iPod Touch requires a LOT of input on its games to be carried out using the screen itself, to all intents and purposes REDUCING the gaming experience due to a proportion of the screen being ultimately invisible (as it's under your fingers), I'll take the d-pad and the buttons! Sure, it's a revolution as far as the gaming EXPERIENCE is concerned - just (and this is only my opinion) not as rewarding...

What the iPod Touch SHOULD be, and up until now I think HAS been, is the jewel in the iPod crown - a Jack of all Trades, not just a music player, doing everything it does brilliantly. I think that the camera omission is wrong, and that there ought to be a version which is exactly an iPhone without the phone - for those who don't NEED the phone. For one, if it has the compass feature built in as well, let's see a Zune do Augmented Reality - that could be a killer feature!!

I think that, OK, leave the camera out of the lower spec'd versions - really drive the price down on those and gain a whole new crowd who previously would only look on and salivate! Put a camera in the upper-end ones (remember, Apple is the king when it comes to high end, prestige computing...) and people *will* pay the extra for the killer features that it could bring along for the ride...

And, for God's sake - VGA?!! My crappy Samsung mobile has a 5Mp camera in it!! Come on, Apple - cutting edge! Cutting edge...

Full stops mate full stops.

[Speedy2]

No photos. Pogue had an interview with Jobs that said that the hardware to give a good auto-focus, high resolution still imaging camera to the nano was too thick for the device.


Lame excuse.
They didn't bother back then when including a fixed-focus camera on the iPhone.

[Red-red]

Nano

Video recording
FM tuner
bigger screen

All for the same price. I don't really know what people can complain about, it's the same great music player with extra functionality all in the same ridiculously small enclosure.

Touch

They've dropped the price & doubled the speed.

These are UK prices but a 3Gs is £440. The ipod touch that I'm assuming will now be using the same components the 3GS has to double it's speed is only £150.

£290 is the difference to get a Camera, GPS, Compass, more storage and the ability to make calls. If you compare the 32GB 3Gs the difference is even more at £309. You're getting an extremely powerful device for the money you're spending. When compared the DSi and the PSP it blows them out of the water in terms of value for money.

It's not too shabby really is it.

[M!M!C]

I do want a Nano when I go on vacation this month, but I overlooked the fact it has no still image capability??? Video is cool and a perfect size for a theme park, but with no still images, i will reconsider.

[Red-red]

I do want a Nano when I go on vacation this month, but I overlooked the fact it has no still image capability??? Video is cool and a perfect size for a theme park, but with no still images, i will reconsider.

It had no image functionality at ALL before it so I don't really understand what you're getting at.

It's a MP3. It's not a video recorder, it's not a camera. It's a mp3 player with added bonus'.

I suggest if you want something that does that you buy a camera and there's a reason that the camera's are as big as a cigarette packet not the size of a Nano.

[YoyoJazz]

http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/features/fitness.html

Looking at this page the screenshot indicated the Presence of a Heart Rate Monitor. (The picture in the Ready Set Go)


Is this correct?

[dazzer21]

Full stops mate full stops.

Full stops, mate. Full stops.
:D:D:D:D

I liked that, though...
:)

[milo]

Have you been reading the posts here and the reactions elsewhere buddy??

You really think that the hard core fans who post on boards like this are "the majority of apple's customers"?
:rolleyes:

I guess I must be the only one who is happy with today's developments.

- Classic still alive
- no camera on the touch
- iTunes still 32-bit

All positive, from my point of view.

I don't get how 32 bit could possibly be a positive, particularly when all 64 bit apps are fat binaries that also include the 32 bit code.

[celtikmind]

I don't get how 32 bit could possibly be a positive, particularly when all 64 bit apps are fat binaries that also include the 32 bit code.

And here's to me thinking iTunes 9 is already way too fat and overbloated. To the point where 64-bit won't fit? ;)

Either that or they want to 'drive the price down' on iTunes... :p :D

[APPLENEWBIE]

Regarding the inability of the Nano camera to shoot still shots, I have a Olympus C-765 Still camera with video capability @ 640 X 480 at 15 frames per second. I have been able to get some very nice stills from screen captures from that camera. So, all things being equal, and they never are, the nano video of 640 X 480 at 30 frames per second should be at least as good, at least in good light. The olympus has a huge glass lens that makes it pretty good in low light, which I doubt will be the case with the Nano.

Just sayin'

[aixia]

I've never owned an iPod. Never really had a use for one. However, the Touch came out and I finally found one I would use. I held off, mostly for money's sake, but also so that the kinks could be worked out. I was specifically waiting for this version, and had made plans and warmed up the credit card to get one immediately after the launch yesterday.

Now I'm back in a holding pattern. I still haven't made up my mind yet. The 64 GB is awesome, as is the speed boost. Perfect for me. I don't care about a camera, my phone has that and I never use it, though GPS would be wonderful. (Seriously directionally challenged here.) But what's making me pause is the possibility of another update in a few months. Why would I want to buy now, even having already planned to, when another version is likely just around the corner? I think the rumored production problem is plausible, and certainly makes it seem like this was a quick refresh to hold people over until the real one. This was too small in comparison to the Nano to be right.

So for now I wait and try to decide. I want a music player, a PDA, and a time-killer, and I want one now, but do I want one that's going to be outdated in January? Not so sure yet.

[turtlebud]

I've never owned an iPod. Never really had a use for one. However, the Touch came out and I finally found one I would use. I held off, mostly for money's sake, but also so that the kinks could be worked out. I was specifically waiting for this version, and had made plans and warmed up the credit card to get one immediately after the launch yesterday.

Now I'm back in a holding pattern. I still haven't made up my mind yet. The 64 GB is awesome, as is the speed boost. Perfect for me. I don't care about a camera, my phone has that and I never use it, though GPS would be wonderful. (Seriously directionally challenged here.) But what's making me pause is the possibility of another update in a few months. Why would I want to buy now, even having already planned to, when another version is likely just around the corner? I think the rumored production problem is plausible, and certainly makes it seem like this was a quick refresh to hold people over until the real one. This was too small in comparison to the Nano to be right.

So for now I wait and try to decide. I want a music player, a PDA, and a time-killer, and I want one now, but do I want one that's going to be outdated in January? Not so sure yet.

IF there is an update in January, I don't think it will greatly impact the 3 areas that you are looking at (music player, PDA, & time-killer - ie, apps/games). The main thing I would guess they would add is a camera/videocamera. And since you mention that the camera isn't important for you in an ipod, then i would go ahead and get it now. I don't think for your purposes, it will be outdated come January (if they even update in january).

[nyboy1]

Look the camera was originally planed. It most have been. Do you remember the hama cases? (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/04/new-gallery-of-cases-for-next-generation-ipod-touch-and-ipod-nano-posted/) , These cases where correct for the ipod nano, look at their touch cases. The touch cases clearly have a central hole on the back, and I believe it was for the camera. So yes, Apple has a production problem, but originally they wanted to include a camera in the touch. And apparently they didn't inform Hama of this problem and this product change.
I believe we will see a ipod touch camera edition within 3 months, until that, I'll stick with my classic.

I'm sorry if this remark has been posted before, but after reading 7 pages of comments, I was a bit bored.

nyboy1

[Eric S.]

I don't get how 32 bit could possibly be a positive, particularly when all 64 bit apps are fat binaries that also include the 32 bit code.

I thought there was speculation that iTunes 9 would be 64-bit only but maybe I misunderstood.

[Manderby]

Three years back: Fallen in love with the new Shuffle. Bought it and today I am VERY happy... that it still works as if it was new! Because you can't buy it anymore.

I still see people wearing the second or even first generations but has anyone ever seen anybody wearing a new shuffle? I dont. Even after a year after introduction.

I don't understand it when they say "finally, you don't have to look at your device when changing the volume or skip a song"... The old shuffle was so simple, who ever had to look at the device to adjust volume or skip?

[partyofone]

When can I get one of the new iPods at a local Apple/Best Buy/Target?
I called my local Best Buy and the guy had no clue what I was talking about or that there were going to be new ipods-you would think someone that works in an electronic store is up to date on these things.

[aixia]

I had the same experience when I called Best Buy. They didn't have a clue that new iPods were out and didn't know when they'd have any.

[Chimpy]

I suspect the big box stores won't have them for quite some time - pity, becuase I have a Best Buy gift card buring a hole in my pocket :).

[FightTheFuture]

it's not clear to me here so maybe someone knows the answer, i searched this thread and i read the description on apple.com and still don't understand:

with the new iPod Nano, will you need an nike+ transmitter?

i know you'll need the sensor in your shoe, but will we still need the little rectangle transmitter on the bottom of your iPod? it's built into the iPhone 3GS and iPod Touch but, i can't tell if we need it for the nano.

thanks in advance for an explanation!

[Mexbearpig]

Look the camera was originally planed. It most have been. Do you remember the hama cases? (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/04/new-gallery-of-cases-for-next-generation-ipod-touch-and-ipod-nano-posted/) , These cases where correct for the ipod nano, look at their touch cases. The touch cases clearly have a central hole on the back, and I believe it was for the camera. So yes, Apple has a production problem, but originally they wanted to include a camera in the touch. And apparently they didn't inform Hama of this problem and this product change.
I believe we will see a ipod touch camera edition within 3 months, until that, I'll stick with my classic.

I'm sorry if this remark has been posted before, but after reading 7 pages of comments, I was a bit bored.

nyboy1

Im with ya. By december, I hope they release a camera for it.

[krayziekray]

I just don't see how Apple have built in a camera to the iPod Nano and given it recording abilities, yet the iPhone 3G still has no recording ability (on a stock OS), dispite having a camera since it's initial release .... just don't understand why they would do that. (i know its to make the 3gs stand out, but common ...)

:apple: KrayzieKray :apple:

[chris7777]

We all know the real reason for no camera is iphone, and all of the parties involved on that money train. I would not doubt apple gets a kickback from Att on data plans.

[coachingguy]

I've been a Macrumors member since 2003. I'm always impressed by the venom spewed forth after every.Single.Product.Update/Release Apple does.

Look back at the original iPod release... "What is Apple thinking?" "It'll never sell" "They lost me forever" "It should have had... Then I would have bought it and nine more for all my friends"

The people who like the update(s) are too scared to post because they'll get flamed. Or, they simply don't care enough to get involved because they're happy.

So look back at posting after posting of members saying that Apple made a major, major, maybe fatal error here and they're through, done. "Verizon, Sprint, Microsoft, Dell, HP, Zune, Blackberry, Palm here I come!"

See Ya!;) You'll be so much happier not reading the site or buying Apple products. The lack of stress will do you good, however those who stay will be without some entertainment, but we'll live.

Coachingguy

[Evilsmiler]

Oh get over it people,no camera ect? big whoop!..its suppose to be an ipod!. If you want a camera go get an iphone otherwise stop your whining. Most people have mobile phones now that have decent and better cameras anywayz so who cares!.All that matters is it has more processing power now and memory. Oh and its funny that people are dissapointed because they heard rumours of a camera and more on the new ipod touch release when they fail to realise that this is a rumour site which means anything can be true or false!..bit ironic!.

[Takuta-Nui]

Can't say I'm not a fan of the nano update. It's pretty, it's got a few good little new features - a camera, dears - and IMO it's just a nice little step toward ever greater products. Not every Apple release has to be massively ground-shattering... they're only that because they're so relatively infrequent. ;)

I wonder just how shiny the new nano is compared to 4G.

[madmax_2069]

I was counting on the iPod Touch to have a camera. if it did i was going to buy one. but it dont so i am not even going to worry about it, they lost a sale here.

the hardware update is almost worth it, but since it lacks the camera i was hoping about Apple can forget it i will take my money to someone else.

What in sams hell was Apple thinking on not adding a camera in to the IPT and putting one into the nano, man Apple failed hard this time.

[ipodtouch-user]

I was counting on the iPod Touch to have a camera. if it did i was going to buy one. but it dont so i am not even going to worry about it, they lost a sale here.

the hardware update is almost worth it, but since it lacks the camera i was hoping about Apple can forget it i will take my money to someone else.

What in sams hell was Apple thinking on not adding a camera in to the IPT and putting one into the nano, man Apple failed hard this time.

So Apple wants to market the ipod touch as a gaming system. And who would be the main demographic of buyers for gaming systems?

Answer: teens and young adults

And besides playing games, what's the next most interesting thing young people like to do with their mobile devices?

Answer: take pictures/video of themselves and their friends and post them to facebook, youtube, and twitter.

So, wow, having a camera on the iPod touch would make it an even stronger seller in that market - so I'm guessing Apple added a camera to the iPod touch, right?

NOPE.

It would be practically comical, if it weren't so downright confounding and illogical.

[ipodtouch-user]

Oh get over it people,no camera ect? big whoop!..its suppose to be an ipod!.

What the hell does that mean? In point of fact, the ipod touch was supposed to be a multi-function device.

Steve Jobs says he considers the ipod touch now to be primarily a gaming device.

Well, I know quite a few people who own ipod touches of one generation or another - and, guess what, NONE of them considers their device to be primarily just a gaming system.

[jodelli]

I'm just glad I held off getting another Nano until now. This is a great update.

[ipodtouch-user]

Now I'm really steamed.

The iTunes store is now hocking its wares this way under Quick Links:

iPhone Apps from TV Ads
iPod touch Games from TV Ads

Read the handwriting on the wall folks...this is where Apple is going with this.

This is going to be my last post on the matter.

Tell you what Mr. Jobs - in your next incarnation of the iPod touch (if there is one) why not go ahead and fully cripple the device? Since it's only a gaming system to you, it doesn't need any web applications, no productivity or other types of apps, no media capabilities, remove bluetooth...just make it a completely dumb device that only allows users to buy, download and play games from the precious iTunes store, tethered to their macs. If consumers want anything more than that, make them buy iPhones (which must be selling like toadstools to prompt this marketing strategy) along with their $1200 a year data plans.

I've had it. Selling my touch on ebay -- anybody want a gaming device?

[miki66]

if they put a camera in touch, no body wants to buy the nano, they'll be piss off that way. Glad that I can save the money on another mac thou

[iBookG4user]

if they put a camera in touch, no body wants to buy the nano, they'll be piss off that way. Glad that I can save the money on another mac thou

:confused: The iPod Nano and iPod Touch are in completely different sections of the market. The camera honestly won't cause the sales of the iPod Touch to decrease very much.

[RazHyena]

:confused: The iPod Nano and iPod Touch are in completely different sections of the market. The camera honestly won't cause the sales of the iPod Touch to decrease very much.

L lenses, eh? Have the 16-35mm USM? :)


...er, I mean, I kinda forgot why I'm mad at the Touch's lack of a camera as I'm always carrying a heavy DSLR around.

[iBookG4user]

L lenses, eh? Have the 16-35mm USM? :)


...er, I mean, I kinda forgot why I'm mad at the Touch's lack of a camera as I'm always carrying a heavy DSLR around.

Nope, but I have a 300mm ƒ/2.8 IS :)

And I honestly don't understand what all the fuss is about the iPod Touch's lack of a camera. Most every phone made nowadays has a camera built in that you could use, just transfer that to your Mac and edit it there. Most people are going to have their cell phone with them more than their iPod anyway.

[teme]

2009 summary:

* Snow Leopard = no visible changes, some new features
* iPhone 3G S = no visible changes, some new features
* iPod Touch = no visible changes, some new features
* iPod Classic = no visible changes, some new features
* iPod Nano = some visible changes and new features
* iPod Shuffle = new form factor

... pretty bland year for Apple.

[jodelli]

Could Apple be letting up on iPod Touch features because the new mystery device might replace the high end ones?

The touch form factor goes back to the first iPhone introduced in early 2007. It could be three years between major re-designs.

I mean this forum is called MacRumors...

[genosseinski]

2009 summary:

* Snow Leopard = no visible changes, some new features
* iPhone 3G S = no visible changes, some new features
* iPod Touch = no visible changes, some new features
* iPod Classic = no visible changes, some new features
* iPod Nano = some visible changes and new features
* iPod Shuffle = new form factor

... pretty bland year for Apple.

don't really agree on that. iPhone 3GS has huge changes, including much faster perfomance and a really nice video&picture camera. What do you want? They have to uphold the form factor and the resolution to make all appstore-apps compatible with the different iDevices.

iPod Classic is just made for large libraries and the capacity bump is great for this group of people. Same format, 40 GB more space and same price - again, what do you want?

[Firefly2002]

Man... they should put a camera in the iPod Classic *sigh*


Wouldn't mind a bump to a 2.75" screen and a slightly higher res... or preferably actually a little more processing power. Or more memory for less spin-up...

[turtlebud]

I suspect the big box stores won't have them for quite some time - pity, becuase I have a Best Buy gift card buring a hole in my pocket :).

Saw the new 8gig nano in purple, black, and silver at my local costco for $139.99. They said they just got them in today. Don't have any of the other color nor the 16gig models yet though. Also had the classic and the 8gig (I think) touch.

[billysea]

lol at the comments that are trying to defend for Apple.

'no one need a camera in the iPod!' - then why are so many people complaining? if people really don't care then why are they putting it into the nano?

'if they put it in the touch then no one will buy the nano and it will be too similar to the iPhone' - limiting a machine's capability is the way to differentiate their product lines? They might as well take out the gaming capability of the iPhone to make the iTouch even more standout as a gaming device.

Watch Apple is going to put a camera into the Touch early next year.

[The Samurai]

lol at the comments that are trying to defend for Apple.

'no one need a camera in the iPod!' - then why are so many people complaining? if people really don't care then why are they putting it into the nano?

'if they put it in the touch then no one will buy the nano and it will be too similar to the iPhone' - limiting a machine's capability is the way to differentiate their product lines? They might as well take out the gaming capability of the iPhone to make the iTouch even more standout as a gaming device.

Watch Apple is going to put a camera into the Touch early next year.

I was one for defending Apple - and I still stand by my decision.

However, the things is - if Apple do go ahead and put the camera in, let them bloody do it. A lot of research recently (ifixit) has found that there was a space for a camera in the touch and a lot of speculation that it was dropped out last minute due to technical issues. Imagine for a second if they released the touch with a camera - the backlash it would cause, people moaning about this, that and the other.

If there was a space for camera and they didn't include it - there must have been a genuine reason why they didn't put it in.

[gadgetguy08]

I stopped by the Apple Store yesterday when I was at the mall to take a look at the new nano, which I'm planning to buy soon. Honestly I don't care about the video camera that much; if it took still photos it would be more attractive to me. What I really like is the FM radio! That to me is a huge selling point and something the iPod line should have had a long time ago. I tested the radio out and it delivered great reception and sound quality, even inside the mall.

I do have to say, though, that I'm not a fan of the nano's new glossy case. It looks cool in pictures but in real life I think the glossiness makes them look like a cheap plastic knockoff of the 4G nano, particularly in the pink and green colors. :( Anyone else share this view?

[viccles]

I do have to say, though, that I'm not a fan of the nano's new glossy case. It looks cool in pictures but in real life I think the glossiness makes them look like a cheap plastic knockoff of the 4G nano, particularly in the pink and green colors. :( Anyone else share this view?

I'm actually quite liking the new shininess! I got myself a blue one last week

[triplerocks]

to leverge price in my pocket, iPod Nano might be a option to snag and wear on my ear, it's incredible by the new functionalites, FM radio, pedometer, video cam, and retain its nature of thin, and for most, not pricey! really sexy device, wow, sounds like i'm making the ads, need to put a stop to it lol