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Jobsian
Sep 9, 2009, 07:47 PM
Last week Sony announced its contender, the Vaio X, which is uber thin at 55mm and almost HALF the Air's weight - see here Macrumors Vaio X thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=778321), the specs of which have not been finalised (but people predicting an Atom processor given its thinness and enclosed in carbon fiber. Specs though have not been finalised for this yet, the display models so far are not final spec.

Well Dell today announced a "9.99mm" thin laptop:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/09/adamo-xps-1.jpg

http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/09/dell-teases-new-ultrathin-adamo-xps/
http://www.adamobydell.com/xps/choose-language.html

Again, no specs at all at this stage, beyond the thinness. 9.99mm is truly incredible! As Engadget mention, that's thinner than the iPhone!

I just seriously hope it's not an Atom processor, otherwise my interest in it would almost instantaneously evaporate.


Sony and Dell's cards have been (partially) dealt. They both appear impressive at this stage so far. Enter Apple. I can't wait to see what Professor Jobs has under his sleeve... exciting times for premium ultraportables!



Gadgetman99
Sep 9, 2009, 08:02 PM
Last week Sony announced its contender, the Vaio X, which is uber thin at 55mm and almost HALF the Air's weight - see here Macrumors Vaio X thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=778321), the specs of which have not been finalised (but people predicting an Atom processor given its thinness and enclosed in carbon fiber. Specs though have not been finalised for this yet, the display models so far are not final spec.

Well Dell today announced a "9.99mm" thin laptop:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/09/adamo-xps-1.jpg

http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/09/dell-teases-new-ultrathin-adamo-xps/
http://www.adamobydell.com/xps/choose-language.html

Again, no specs at all at this stage, beyond the thinness. 9.99mm is truly incredible! As Engadget mention, that's thinner than the iPhone!

I just seriously hope it's not an Atom processor, otherwise my interest in it would almost instantaneously evaporate.


Sony and Dell's cards have been (partially) dealt. They both appear impressive at this stage so far. Enter Apple. I can't wait to see what Professor Jobs has under his sleeve... exciting times for premium ultraportables!

"Potential" is the key word. So far they are just vaporware, nothing real. I have all kinds of ideas for awesome PC hardware, but making them reality is always the hard part :)

bloodycape
Sep 9, 2009, 09:02 PM
Sony and Dell's cards have been (partially) dealt. They both appear impressive at this stage so far. Enter Apple. I can't wait to see what Professor Jobs has under his sleeve... exciting times for premium ultraportables!

I think in Sony's case its just giving back an answer to Apple, which gave the Air as an answer of sorts to the Sony X505 of back in the day.

NT1440
Sep 9, 2009, 09:03 PM
Isn't this exactly what they did with the original Adamo?

Wait for the actual details, then we'll see.

thegoldenmackid
Sep 9, 2009, 09:05 PM
Meh. The Adamo made the Air look like a good value. MSI has provided some competition. Part of what sales the Air is the genius marketing and Apple OS.

bloodycape
Sep 9, 2009, 09:08 PM
Isn't this exactly what they did with the original Adamo?

Wait for the actual details, then we'll see.
Beside the looks(which is a subjective thing), the Adamo wasn't as good as Air, except for the fact it more ports and 3G support. It was using the lower power intel SU line of CPU, vs SL line, which made it not that good of deal at that price.

still in school
Sep 9, 2009, 09:53 PM
I still havent seen the adamo in person.

NeverhadaPC
Sep 9, 2009, 11:20 PM
The difference is:
Apple came out with the Air in EARLY 2008. Technology does not last very long, but the Air has been on the market for more than a year before it sees competition.

The New MacBook Air will be OLED touch-tablet --- AMAZING! :apple:

OK, just kidding on the last bit, but possible nonetheless. :D

Zorn
Sep 9, 2009, 11:35 PM
Knowing Dell this will use an Atom CPU, or at best a ULV processor along with Intel GMA X3100 graphics, effectively making it a performance dog. Pretty though.

coldmack
Sep 10, 2009, 01:35 AM
The difference is:
Apple came out with the Air in EARLY 2008. Technology does not last very long, but the Air has been on the market for more than a year before it sees competition.

The New MacBook Air will be OLED touch-tablet --- AMAZING! :apple:

OK, just kidding on the last bit, but possible nonetheless. :D

I looked it up Sony apparently has a device that has the power of a MBP(15in in speed and 13in in video card), but the weight of a MBA. Same with LG in Europe they got a 13in with MBA weight and lack of optical drive but some how has the same video card as the MBP 15in.

Knowing Dell this will use an Atom CPU, or at best a ULV processor along with Intel GMA X3100 graphics, effectively making it a performance dog. Pretty though.
The Adamo had the newer 4500HD which has HD support and encoding power. I doubt they would be going backwards, unless its using an atom then it maybe the GMA500 with basic HD support. Then again the first gen MBA had the x3100 and that can't even do blu-ray while with the nvidia 9400 it can and so can a device with the 4500HD. Just saying.

Qusus
Sep 10, 2009, 02:28 AM
I looked it up Sony apparently has a device that has the power of a MBP(15in in speed and 13in in video card), but the weight of a MBA. Same with LG in Europe they got a 13in with MBA weight and lack of optical drive but some how has the same video card as the MBP 15in.



Can you show us the links to these computers? The Sony VGN series weights a little more than an Air but has a lot more power, but that's sold in the United States. I'd like to see the ones you're talking about though.

tim2006
Sep 10, 2009, 06:58 AM
The difference is:
Apple came out with the Air in EARLY 2008. Technology does not last very long, but the Air has been on the market for more than a year before it sees competition.

The New MacBook Air will be OLED touch-tablet --- AMAZING! :apple:

OK, just kidding on the last bit, but possible nonetheless. :D

Whats up with apple? When will they put a glass trackpad on this thing. The macbook pro line looks great and preforms great. I know the air is not going to preform like a pro but how about a real update. It looks odd with the all silver bezel.

sanPietro98
Sep 10, 2009, 07:08 AM
It's not a serious challenger if its still running Windows.

jdechko
Sep 10, 2009, 10:51 AM
I hope that this and the VAIO X are competitive to the Air in both price and specs. According to the Sony Rep, the X should come in at less than $2000 (base, I'd assume). If there's competition, the Air will improve faster than Apple would otherwise.

Jobsian
Sep 10, 2009, 11:28 AM
I hope that this and the VAIO X are competitive to the Air in both price and specs. According to the Sony Rep, the X should come in at less than $2000 (base, I'd assume). If there's competition, the Air will improve faster than Apple would otherwise.
Completely agreed, I can't wait to see Apple's response to this dual-pronged onslaught

bloodycape
Sep 10, 2009, 12:09 PM
Can you show us the links to these computers? The Sony VGN series weights a little more than an Air but has a lot more power, but that's sold in the United States. I'd like to see the ones you're talking about though.

I think the person is referring to the Vaio Z(same device you are), which is sold pretty much all around the world(granted in each country the model number is different, it is still called the Z though). It weights about 1.45kg with the hdd, not sure what it weighs with the SSD though. So its about 150-200 gram difference, but the Sony is thicker and has more ports, which I find to be impressive. Now, if Apple tried to go a bit lighter with the Air, let say 2.7lbs, now that would make it a bit more competitive, and differentiate it more form other 13in with similar form factor. As note the 12in Toshiba R600(and I think older R500), weights 2lbs with no optical drive and SSD and about 2.5 with a dvd drive(and I think hdd).

Scottsdale
Sep 10, 2009, 10:53 PM
Completely agreed, I can't wait to see Apple's response to this dual-pronged onslaught

I really hope Jobs stays involved with his tablet device and agrees to let the MBA stay in its current form factor while increasing power in CPU, GPU, and RAM, ETC ETC...

Cask
Sep 10, 2009, 11:23 PM
It's not a serious challenger if its still running Windows.

Do you know that is actually a pro for some people???

jdechko
Sep 11, 2009, 11:11 AM
I really hope Jobs stays involved with his tablet device and agrees to let the MBA stay in its current form factor while increasing power in CPU, GPU, and RAM, ETC ETC...

Agreed. There is a point where "world's smallest/thinnest" thing goes too far and usability suffers. I would even go so far as to submit that the Revision A MB Air falls into this category. I'm not saying that Apple shouldn't look to make the form factor better (to accommodate a bigger/better battery or to deal with heat, maybe even lighter), but it shouldn't sacrifice the progress it's made just to recapture the title of "world's thinnest".

Jobsian
Oct 7, 2009, 12:05 PM
New pics! Still no specs

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/dell-announces-updated-adamo/

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/10/2009-10-07adamo-1.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/10/2009-10-07adamo-1254928427.jpg

Monstrously thin

jdechko
Oct 7, 2009, 12:26 PM
It looks horrible!!!! No wonder the only shot we'd seen so far was from the front. And based on that picture, it'll probably look ugly once it's opened up too. It looks like a (for lack of a better term) scissor design, and that the base of the display elevates the back of the keyboard.

MacModMachine
Oct 7, 2009, 01:37 PM
It looks horrible!!!! No wonder the only shot we'd seen so far was from the front. And based on that picture, it'll probably look ugly once it's opened up too. It looks like a (for lack of a better term) scissor design, and that the base of the display elevates the back of the keyboard.

indeed, sure its thin...but its long...very long.....and looks like trash from those pics.

Consultant
Oct 7, 2009, 01:41 PM
No specs
No price
No release date

nick9191
Oct 7, 2009, 01:45 PM
The Air is currently the best value premium ultraportable out there. The current Adamo is a joke.

thegoldenmackid
Oct 7, 2009, 01:46 PM
No specs
No price
No release date

The original Adamo focused way too much on form and none on function. Sure the Air is not necessarily a powerhouse, but the Adamo was slow as a mule and expensive as a thoroughbred. People will pay a premium for form, but only to a certain extent.

adamjackson
Oct 7, 2009, 04:21 PM
I used a DEll Adamo before it came out while I was a SXSW. Used it hated it.

PROS:
Thin
Beautiful
Polished

CONS
Slow
Limited IO
Weird construction (not smooth)
Too expensive.

Even if you love Windows, the MBA is still a better buy w/ Bootcamp. The adamo was so underpowered and still started at like 2K.

This thing will probably be ATom and start at $1299. no thanks.

Scottsdale
Oct 7, 2009, 05:02 PM
This isn't just another Adamo; this is an XPS which is Dell's more powerful branding. I expect a 2 GHz or maybe even a 2.13 GHz CPU in it and better graphics too.

Bottom line is Windows 7 truly competes with OS X too. Apple can make fun of Windows but 7 is a significant change to the end user.

Apple will be responding two ways very soon. The MacBook will be significantly thinner and around 3.5 lbs. The MBA will be a thinner version also, and I hope that doesn't mean CULV/ULV...

The current MBA blows away the current Adamo... we will see what happens to the MBA to see if same holds true vs. Adamo XPS. I fear thin will mean a less powerful MBA. I cannot see a better form factor with even the same horsepower. Unless... liquid cooling...

bloodycape
Oct 7, 2009, 05:14 PM
This isn't just another Adamo; this is an XPS which is Dell's more powerful branding. I expect a 2 GHz or maybe even a 2.13 GHz CPU in it and better graphics too.

The current MBA blows away the current Adamo... we will see what happens to the MBA to see if same holds true vs. Adamo XPS. I fear thin will mean a less powerful MBA. I cannot see a better form factor with even the same horsepower. Unless... liquid cooling...
They could be doing what Sony has been doing for a while with the Vaio P in Japan, is offering it with the 2.0ghz Atom cpu. I have seen speeds test of the 2.0ghz and SSD and its surprisingly pretty fast for a netbook. I have yet to see the Atom Z be paired with a gpu other than the gma500(which is better than the 950 for video, even medium HD), but since this an XPS I hope to see something like what ever nvidia is calling the update 9400 gpu.

As for the MBA, intel has release specs and such for the ULV cpu/gpu combo, so Apple could go that route. I read in total(gpu and cpu) its lower power usage than the current Core 2 Duo ULV cpus, and it should be better performing than the current LV cpu. But, then again maybe Apple is waiting to see what Intel is planning for the LV cpus/gpu combo.

puffnstuff
Oct 8, 2009, 12:58 PM
thinness does nothing for me it's all about the weight

I picked up an MBA and I was shocked at how heavy it was I expected it be much lighter.

w00tini
Oct 8, 2009, 01:34 PM
thinness does nothing for me it's all about the weight

I picked up an MBA and I was shocked at how heavy it was I expected it be much lighter.
keep in mind that it is using a cast aluminum shell. while it is super strong compared to plastic, it will add some weight to the unit. i believe that is a fair trade-off.

Jobsian
Oct 12, 2009, 06:01 PM
Courtesy Engadget

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/10/adamo-xps-teaser-1-800-rme-ng.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/10/adamo-xps-teaser-rm-eng-2-800.jpg

This thing is king of thin now, wow! I still shudder to think what its specs are going to be, I'm hoping by some miracle it will have something more powered than I imagine.

Someone help me with the ports there:

1st pic: 1 USB and 1 HDMI?!
2nd pic: headphone, power and what's in between? Another USB?

NikFinn
Oct 12, 2009, 06:16 PM
No idea what the ports are. But that's quite thin. Not sure how I feel about the design of the whole thing though.

adamjackson
Oct 12, 2009, 06:31 PM
That's insane. There's no way this machine will be reliable, fast or cheap.

The orig MacBook Air price at nearly 3K was extremely expensive w/ a few construction issues. I have a feeling this will be no different and after all we have to remember, it's running Windows.

stoconnell
Oct 12, 2009, 07:04 PM
Someone help me with the ports there:

1st pic: 1 USB and 1 HDMI?!
2nd pic: headphone, power and what's in between? Another USB?

The middle port in the second image has what looks to be a USB symbol to the left, so I am guessing a that's what it is. The first image looks like hdmi followed by usb (top to bottom).

It will be interesting to see what the final specs are as well as price.

Edit: That is a DisplayPort and not an HDMI, thanks Chundles.

Chundles
Oct 12, 2009, 07:23 PM
Image 1.

Ports are from top:

1. DisplayPort
2. USB

Image 2.

Ports are from left:

1. Audio
2. USB
3. Most likely power, it has the "line with three bits underneath" icon

dukebound85
Oct 12, 2009, 07:29 PM
It's not a serious challenger if its still running Windows.

because everyone loves osx....

UtakUtik
Oct 12, 2009, 07:46 PM
but still.. it looks like/feels like MBA :D

TH3D4RKKN1GH7
Oct 12, 2009, 07:50 PM
Incredible design, Apple's got a competitor in the "My laptop has an eating disorder" arena.

thunderboltspro
Oct 12, 2009, 09:06 PM
Image 1.

Ports are from top:

1. DisplayPort
2. USB

Image 2.

Ports are from left:

1. Audio
2. USB
3. Most likely power, it has the "line with three bits underneath" icon

Possible a usb 2 and usb 3

a SD card slot

SnowLeopard2008
Oct 13, 2009, 12:06 AM
There is NO way that this XPS thing can possibly have a Core 2 Duo or better processor. Any non-Atom processor will burn clean a flaming hole through the chassis. I'm thinking it will have a glorified Atom (maybe 2.0Ghz+) and integrated graphics at best. It obviously has limited I/O.

Currently, the MBA is the king and queen of ultraportables. It carries the Apple/Mac branding, higher specs, and cheaper price than the Adamo, Sony whatever they call it, and Lenovo's X301. I could get the best MBA that runs circles around the fastest Adamo which is like 2x the price.

bloodycape
Oct 13, 2009, 12:26 AM
Currently, the MBA is the king and queen of ultraportables. It carries the Apple/Mac branding, higher specs, and cheaper price than the Adamo, Sony whatever they call it, and Lenovo's X301. I could get the best MBA that runs circles around the fastest Adamo which is like 2x the price.
I would like to think the Sony X and the MBA are kind of in a different category as it is a an 11in device vs the 13in of a MBA. If we classify them as the same class what to stop us from comparing the those new 11.6in machine that cost 450-500 and come with an optional dual core cpu, lack of optical drive, and low weight to the MBA. I want to say the closes thing Sony has to the MBA would be the 13in Vaio Z, which only weighs .2lbs more than Air; but, it's not super thin like the Air and its spec are similar to the MBP.

At this point in time there is no way going super thin(11in-13in) laptop using the LV cpu you see in the MBA. You might see a CULV cpu, and a non Intel based gpu if your lucky. Maybe once 32nm or 22nm cpu come out.Then again, I could be wrong here if someone figured out some interesting/better way to cool things.

1rottenapple
Oct 13, 2009, 02:03 AM
Good for them but what os? Yeah enough said. Lol.

Scottsdale
Oct 13, 2009, 02:21 AM
I will gladly take the thickness of the current MBA to get the LV CPU over a CULV. What matters first is weight and second thickness.

I really wish Apple would keep the current form factor and move forward with higher powered CPUs and GPUs. At some point too thin is ridiculous and the computer loses power, functionality, and durability all to achieve thinness. I know Apple is going to go thinner, because Steve Jobs is addicted to thin. It has to eat at him that Dell has achieved 10mm. That's too thin in my book. It doesn't appear the Adamo XPS will even sit nicely on a lap. It looks like it will snap apart at the hinge if mishandled. And what does thin really accomplish beyond a certain point.

For me primary Mac functionality of the MBA equals me buying it. If/when the MBA loses that, I will be done with the MBA. I cannot go backwards to 1.4 GHz or go Ion and be happy. Apple needs to determine how to improve the MBA's current function, capabilities, and power to equal success. A tablet will win out over an MBA that isn't capable of being a primary Mac.

Maybe when we see the new MacBook the MBA will become irrelevant if the form factor migrates to MB and Air becomes the secondary Mac?

bloodycape
Oct 13, 2009, 01:14 PM
That's too thin in my book. It doesn't appear the Adamo XPS will even sit nicely on a lap. It looks like it will snap apart at the hinge if mishandled. And what does thin really accomplish beyond a certain point.
That is a good point. I would hope Dell did extensive durability testing(saw a video of Vaio X being tested for durability), or else we will be seeing stories of snapped in half laptops.

Mactagonist
Oct 22, 2009, 11:09 AM
Why arnt we all laughing about how unbelievable ugly and poorly designed the Adamo XPS is?

http://gizmodo.com/5387613/video-dell-adamo-xps-can-only-be-opened-by-rubbing-it

I can completely understand why they showed the carefully selected promo pics they did before. Anything to keep people from seeing this hilarious design for as long as possible.

RichardF
Oct 22, 2009, 12:02 PM
Why arnt we all laughing about how unbelievable ugly and poorly designed the Adamo XPS is?

http://gizmodo.com/5387613/video-dell-adamo-xps-can-only-be-opened-by-rubbing-it

I can completely understand why they showed the carefully selected promo pics they did before. Anything to keep people from seeing this hilarious design for as long as possible.


I thought that thing was going to tip over when he opened it and left it alone there on the edge of the table.

Since you still have to lift to open it, why the required touch "heat-sensing" strip?

I agree, it is rather ugly.

spinedoc77
Oct 22, 2009, 12:11 PM
I don't get it (in Tom Hanks/Big voice)...

I just saw a video of where you run your finger across the top of the laptop to "unlock" it and then you can swing it open into that horrid scissor design. There's a couple of things I don't get and maybe I'm missing something.

1) Heat sensitive strip to "unlock" the laptop for opening it. WHY? It's not automatic, you still have to put your finger under the lid and pull it up, so why do you have the extra step? For the life of me I can't figure out how this is cool, unless it's somehow James Bonishly attached to only your heat signature and will only unlock for you? But seriously a fingerprint strip that only unlocked the laptop for registered users would have been very cool. But to just add an extra step that does nothing and means nothing, I'm a bit confused.

2) What's with the scissor shape? Looks like it would be hard to use as a gasp... "laptop", ie: a computer meant to be used on your lap. Also it makes it look like the rear of the unit it just wasted space, they could have used it to make the screen larger, or just make the laptop smaller. Another confusing point to me.

Overall pretty meh, sure it's thin, but looks like it wasn't well thought out, or rather was too much thought out.

Mactagonist
Oct 22, 2009, 12:41 PM
It is a perfect example of Dell's design prowess: A nightmare for usability, objectively unattractive, pointless 'gee whiz' feature (touch sensitive unlocking)...

A failed attempt to rip off the design of a more successful competitor that completely misses the point of the original design.

bloodycape
Oct 22, 2009, 01:51 PM
That is one ugly machine. I didn't think a Dell machine could get any uglier, but I guess it did.

Gadgetman99
Oct 23, 2009, 02:02 PM
At first I thought it looked pretty nice (and thought some of you were just being windows haters with comments about it's design), but after seeing the latest picture, I think not...

bloodycape
Oct 23, 2009, 02:47 PM
At least the specs are better than the Sony Vaio X, and in some aspects even better than the Vaio TT as this is using a CULV Core 2 Duo CPU rated at 1.9ghz, where as the fast TT out is using the same cpu clocked at 1.6ghz, which in some ways could make a difference.

NT1440
Oct 23, 2009, 02:49 PM
What a design.....

Can you even put it on your lap?:confused:

PDFierro
Oct 23, 2009, 03:08 PM
When I first heard about the new Adamo, I really hated it. Seems to me Dell is just trying to win the thin game. The whole point of the Air is to create a fully-capable thin-light laptop. The current/old Adamo is fine, but even with that one it seems Dell's only purpose is to one-up Apple.

tubbymac
Oct 27, 2009, 11:50 PM
I thought the first Adamo had a nasty looking rear end, but apparently I didn't even know how far nasty could go.

This new Adamo has by far the ugliest looking backside I've ever seen, on any notebook. Those designers need to be put to pasture - that's terrible.

Cave Man
Oct 28, 2009, 01:19 AM
Ugly for sure. I guess there are people who'll use it, but I think it would scare the chicks away. MBA FTW!