Give it a rest, people

[Kestrel452]

I find it hilarious how everyone feels so "scammed" by Apple since they did not put a camera on the iPod Touch. Apple did give the iPod a decent hardware upgrade, just nothing in terms of a camera or mic, etc. If the new touch isn't up to your expectations, then don't buy it. This is how capitalism works. But don't go around saying how much of a bad guy Apple is for not giving the iPT a groundbreaking update. You are not a victim of any kind of wrath by Apple. These bashing threads sound like they are coming from 2 year olds. My God...

[4DThinker]

Scammed isn't the word so much as "disappointed". A few were counting so much on a Touch with Camera that they sold off their old Touch. I'm actually delighted, as the money I don't need to spend on a new Touch ($399) can now buy me a Zune HD ($220) AND a new Nano ($149). Then I can take my wife out to lunch with the savings.

Nano fans should be happy though, unless they bought the old model for $199last week.

[Unspoken Demise]

Although I agree with you, you're just adding fuel to the fire.
There will ALWAYS be someone who feels slighted by any decision any company makes, no matter how irrational their reasoning is.

Thank you for saying what was on the minds of many members, but I hope you've got your flame retardent suit on.

[smiddlehurst]

For me, the problem isn't that Apple scammed anyone, they never promised anything so no scam occured. The problem is the Touch line feels like its standing still, there's no compelling reason to upgrade from (in my case) a first gen model which is deeply annoying. A camera would have been a very nice addition and given it that psychological tick of approval (well, I'm getting a new unit for my money with an extra shiny thing) whereas right now it's hard to justify the £230 expense just for a speed bump and extra memory.

[sjleworthy]

For me, the problem isn't that Apple scammed anyone, they never promised anything so no scam occured. The problem is the Touch line feels like its standing still, there's no compelling reason to upgrade from (in my case) a first gen model which is deeply annoying. A camera would have been a very nice addition and given it that psychological tick of approval (well, I'm getting a new unit for my money with an extra shiny thing) whereas right now it's hard to justify the £230 expense just for a speed bump and extra memory.

I too agree it's disappointing, and i hold nothing against Apple because other than fanboys world over who convinced themselves we were in for magic and miracles - Apple did indeed promise nothing.

But i'm mostly a bit aggrieved by the fact the iPod Touch seems not too have leapt forward this time. Ok, memory expansion and speedier processors are an obvious and much welcomed evolution, but for me personally i was hoping for a 'significant' update to give me a good reason to update from my lowly 8 gig 1st gen. More storage and speed isn't a reason, as i dont crave these.
Perhaps maybe the iPod Touch has indeed run it's course so to speak.

Never mind, Apple certainly dont stand still. I have hopes on a tablet to be released one day soon. When and why and how i know not, but i'm pretty sure of it.

[HitchHykr]

I find it hilarious how everyone feels so "scammed" by Apple since they did not put a camera on the iPod Touch. Apple did give the iPod a decent hardware upgrade, just nothing in terms of a camera or mic, etc. If the new touch isn't up to your expectations, then don't buy it. This is how capitalism works. But don't go around saying how much of a bad guy Apple is for not giving the iPT a groundbreaking update. You are not a victim of any kind of wrath by Apple. These bashing threads sound like they are coming from 2 year olds. My God...

Nice straw-man argument. I did a quick search for "scammed" as it relates to yesterday's announcements and no-one on this forum has claimed they were scammed. People can feel disappointed, annoyed, etc. and they are free to express those opinions and you are free to read them or ignore them. Just sayin...

And no I'm not going to sell my Macs and buy a Dell or a Zune or whatever.

[daniel000]

I feel scammed because....

a upgrade in storage requires a update in processing speed. Therefore it cancels each other out.

Meaning, there was no significant upgrade in the Touch series

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I personally waited on the next gen because i was waiting on some serious upgrade. Battery life and mic is just two that i wanted

guys most people who buy a touch use it as a mini computer?

id say id use it for everything. music , videos, and use the internet.


then why is APPLE trying to make it a gaming machine, and how can it possibly attempt to compare itself to NINTENDO and the PSP ? who do they think they are , are they that full of themselves that they dont even know where they are heading with this device?

It should have had a camera, it should have had a microphone, it should have had some solid hardware, software upgrades. if people want a phone, they will get the iphone

[Unspoken Demise]

Meaning, there was no significant upgrade in the Touch series
Then. Dont. Buy. It.
Get a refurb, or an old gen for cheaper on Craigslist. It was your decision to hold out based on a rumor. That is the give and take of being an early adopter vs. getting the latest and greatest.

[thegoldenmackid]

This has been discussed in so many threads alreadly. What people forget was that Apple didn't really upgrade iPod Touch I and iPod Touch II that much. Yes, these upgrades were (more) minor, but it's not like Apple changed the world last year.

[whooleytoo]

It's easy to see why Apple hates rumour sites. Loads of users hate them for not releasing a product they never announced in the first place..

[ajones46]

Yes, apple did not promise anything. But I don't see the reasoning as to why the Nano gets a video camera, and the iPT gets hosed... big time. There were so many other things they could have added to make it more of a gaming device. Why not make the speakers louder? The speakers on the 3GS are so much better. Why not give it a built in mic like the nano? Did you see how small it was? It could have easily been put in the touch. I just feel like the iPod Touch was just left alone and forgotten.... I guess if it's not broke don't fix it? I didn't really want them to fix it, just make it better.

[whooleytoo]

Apple works in mysterious ways.. (The lack of a 16GB model is a bit baffling to me.)

[tubemonkey]

Apple works in mysterious ways.. (The lack of a 16GB model is a bit baffling to me.)

Never question God :D

[crackbookpro]

For me, the problem isn't that Apple scammed anyone, they never promised anything so no scam occured. The problem is the Touch line feels like its standing still, there's no compelling reason to upgrade from (in my case) a first gen model which is deeply annoying. A camera would have been a very nice addition and given it that psychological tick of approval (well, I'm getting a new unit for my money with an extra shiny thing) whereas right now it's hard to justify the £230 expense just for a speed bump and extra memory.

I agree. There is no incentive for you to upgrade. The 64GB is nice, but still not a big enough reason for me to buy.

They lost my money... I will be looking at the Zune HD & Creative Zii Egg now!

No matter what, if you think they will never release a camera w/video & a mic on a Touch then there is no debate. If you think it is a nice feature to have then there is a debate. Apple is swaying people to buy the Nano, but the Touch's sales will not be swayed as much as you think.

The Nano wins, and the Touch remains close to the same.

Maybe, they want you buying the new Nano first, then will release the Touch w/camerea/video/mic at a later date.

One thing is certain, Apple would make a ton of money from the app store if the Touch was released that had a camera w/video capabilities and a mic. If Apple doesn't know this, I think Steve Jobs needs to find some new employees. In addition, the sales of the device would increase in percentages, where now, I can see it being a stalemate, because they left the Touch in that position.

OP, I usually do not post on threads like this(that have no value)... so instead of "giving it a rest", maybe you should open your eyes & ears. There is a huge marketing opportunity for the iPod Touch, and....

There is money to be made!!! Apple "usually" does both well, so I truly think there may have been a production issue.

If you can give me some good reasons why the Touch shouldn't have a camera...I will leave this alone.

...but, please give yourself a break, and start using that brain of yours... or lack thereof :rolleyes:

[woodyman]

Just the fact that no one has brought up what I am about to say may in itself be the answer. Back in April or when ever the rumors started that there would be a camera, couldn't Apple have just made a statement saying NO CAMERA! I realize that rumors are everywhere and that not every rumor can be addressed but maybe this one could/should have been addressed. Or is it just bad business to make comments so early?

[Unspoken Demise]

Just the fact that no one has brought up what I am about to say may in itself be the answer. Back in April or when ever the rumors started that there would be a camera, couldn't Apple have just made a statement saying NO CAMERA! I realize that rumors are everywhere and that not every rumor can be addressed but maybe this one could/should have been addressed. Or is it just bad business to make comments so early?

But where would the mystery be?

[Wotan31]

Scammed isn't the word so much as "disappointed". A few were counting so much on a Touch with Camera that they sold off their old Touch.
LOL then they deserve to be mocked, ridiculed, and laughed at for their stupidity. Apple never once stated that a camera would be included on the next model. These foolish folks made a financial decision based on hearsay and rumors. It's their own damn fault their are so "disappointed".

[Wotan31]

Back in April or when ever the rumors started that there would be a camera, couldn't Apple have just made a statement saying NO CAMERA! I realize that rumors are everywhere and that not every rumor can be addressed but maybe this one could/should have been addressed. Or is it just bad business to make comments so early?
LMAO do you honestly expect Apple - or ANY other corporation for that matter - to comment on the feature set of an unannounced, unreleased product? LOL!! You are funny.

[4DThinker]

LOL then they deserve to be mocked, ridiculed, and laughed at for their stupidity. Apple never once stated that a camera would be included on the next model. These foolish folks made a financial decision based on hearsay and rumors. It's their own damn fault their are so "disappointed".No one "deserves" mocking, ridicule, or name calling. To do that would be childish and bullying. Have a different opinion if you want. Please keep the belittling to yourself.

[Unspoken Demise]

No one "deserves" mocking, ridicule, or name calling. To do that would be childish and bullying. Have a different opinion if you want. Please keep the belittling to yourself.

In hindsight, they were being somewhat foolish.
I dont think he was saying they were fools as people, but the practice of waiting on a product that has not been announced, to expect things from a company that they never said, is foolish.

[YMark]

I feel scammed because....

You should download one of the many dictionary applications. Then you can look up the word "scam".

[Kestrel452]

It's easy to see why Apple hates rumour sites. Loads of users hate them for not releasing a product they never announced in the first place..

My point exactly.

[ucfgrad93]

I am disappointed in the lack of upgrades to the Touch and am puzzled by it as well. But if you don't like it then, clearly you shouldn't buy it. Everyone has different needs and wants. What works for one doesn't necessarily work for someone else.

To those thinking that they will buy a Zune HD, there are a lot of compromises to be made there as well. The link below, is to a forum post from a Zune fan responding to Apple's updates yesterday. It is worth the read.

http://forums.thoughtsmedia.com/f5/reactions-zune-fan-september-2009-ipod-announcements-95090.html

Some highlights:

Zune Marketplace is only in the U.S.
No apps for the Zune.
Many price points and storage capacities for iPod, not the Zune.

[na1577]

Some of us are really disappointed about the lack of camera (myself being one of those people), but even more disappointing is that Apple made basically no changes from the 2G. So little, they're not even distinguishing it as a generation (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=783336). Voice control, new earphones (which can be purchased separately) and faster hardware isn't going to get many, if any people to upgrade. Apple didn't need to add a camera to make the update worthwhile, they needed to add new features. Which they did. But they're incredibly minor features that aren't compelling to existing iPod touch users.

[woodyman]

LMAO do you honestly expect Apple - or ANY other corporation for that matter - to comment on the feature set of an unannounced, unreleased product? LOL!! You are funny.

NO! I do not expect apple to do anything. I was just wondering if it was just good business to keep everyone in the dark. And I'd like to see what others think. I personally think they shouldn't have but please give me good reasons as to why they shouldn't have made a statement. I am open to changing my mind. At the end of the day I think being open and honest with it's customers is the best way to go. May not be the conventional way these days but someone needs to start!

[sam10685]

They lost my money... I will be looking at the Zune HD & Creative Zii Egg now!

Why? Throwing your money away man...

[Eric5h5]

I feel scammed because....

a upgrade in storage requires a update in processing speed. Therefore it cancels each other out.

Meaning, there was no significant upgrade in the Touch series

That's just plain wrong. Increasing storage has no effect whatsoever on processing speed. It's just storage. You could have a terabyte of flash RAM in there and it still wouldn't have any effect.

The fact is, the 32/64GB versions of the touch got significant CPU and GPU upgrades, not to mention double the storage. Not quite the same level as going from a PS1 to a PS2, but not so far off either. A big increase in processing speed and a big GPU upgrade with abilities that are closer to a desktop GPU. So yes, it was a significant update, and no amount of childish whining about cameras will make it otherwise.

If there's going to be any complaining, it should be about the non-upgrade of the 8GB version. The sooner the old hardware goes away (also the $99 iPhone), the bigger the user base for the new hardware, and the sooner bigger&better apps can be written to take advantage of it.

--Eric

[SnowLeopard2008]

Scammed isn't the word so much as "disappointed". A few were counting so much on a Touch with Camera that they sold off their old Touch. I'm actually delighted, as the money I don't need to spend on a new Touch ($399) can now buy me a Zune HD ($220) AND a new Nano ($149). Then I can take my wife out to lunch with the savings.

Nano fans should be happy though, unless they bought the old model for $199last week.

Funny... I can buy an iPod touch for $199 not $399. And I still have $20 for over 75,000 apps while I have 0 apps to choose from on a Zune.

[sjleworthy]

I feel scammed because....

a upgrade in storage requires a update in processing speed. Therefore it cancels each other out.


wtf? thats the funniest statement i ever heard. storage and speed are 2 unrelated developments. 1 does not effect tuther.

[Kestrel452]

Some of us are really disappointed about the lack of camera (myself being one of those people), but even more disappointing is that Apple made basically no changes from the 2G. So little, they're not even distinguishing it as a generation (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=783336). Voice control, new earphones (which can be purchased separately) and faster hardware isn't going to get many, if any people to upgrade. Apple didn't need to add a camera to make the update worthwhile, they needed to add new features. Which they did. But they're incredibly minor features that aren't compelling to existing iPod touch users.

cry me a river...

[MaxPower49]

I just want to know if Apple is considering these devices "3G" or not... they don't call it that anywhere on their website (although they do call the new nano 5G). All of the "3G" cases that started popping up on websites (i.e. BestBuy.com) were pulled. Makes you wonder if the real "3G" is still coming...

[HLdan]

I absolutely agree with the OP and after reading several posts here I have my own comments on this matter. Firstly, Apple has just about every ground covered in terms of multimedia, computers, phones, music and movie purchasing and music players. The app store gave the iPod Touch new life and Apple's M.O. about the iPhone was about software making the device live longer and not just adding more features year after year.

I just love some of the MR forum members and their convenient way of complaining. If they bought a new Apple product and Apple comes out with a new model a month later the MR fanboys go into labor saying, "I got screwed, I'm pissed Apple released a new model with more features". This time Apple did very little to the iPod Touch and now some people are pissed that there's no reason to upgrade.

Speaking of upgrading, please MR, drop off this self-centered attitude, MR forum members don't even make up 1/10th of Apple's customer base. Apple is not sitting around figuring out reasons for us to upgrade, they are trying to grab MORE customer base, not just pleasing the existing customers.

To a lot of people that never bought an iPod but were considering one the current iPod Touch does way more than they expected especially with the app store and OS 3.0 giving the Touch so much more functionality.

There's no reason for anyone here to be "disappointed", what do you need to upgrade for? Just for the sake of upgrading and having the latest and greatest for bragging? If anyone sold their iPod Touch based on hype (not created by Apple) from bloggers and rumor sites then it's their own fault if the upgrade wasn't what you hoped for. I, for one, am glad that Apple spends more time on softwares for the iPod Touch and iPhone instead of adding new features so we can keep our products longer.

[al1cre]

There's no reason for anyone here to be "disappointed", what do you need to upgrade for? Just for the sake of upgrading and having the latest and greatest for bragging? If anyone sold their iPod Touch based on hype (not created by Apple) from bloggers and rumor sites then it's their own fault if the upgrade wasn't what you hoped for. I, for one, am glad that Apple spends more time on softwares for the iPod Touch and iPhone instead of adding new features so we can keep our products longer.

Wow. Interesting attitude. The Touch came out 2 years ago and there are things that existing customers would like to see added or changed. Your attitude is 'Shut up and be happy with what you get."

Apple hasn't done much than no-brainer updates to the hardware since the Touch came out. It's not unreasonable to hope that a company that to prides itself on innovation would add something significant to a 2 year old platform. The 3.0 or 3.1 software upgrades were no big deal either. Apple has very little to show for effort on the Touch for the last 2 years. Now, if you want to argue that it's good enough, fine. I use mine a lot and don't want to trade it for someone else's product, Still, there's room for it to get a lot better and I'm disappointed that it's stagnant.

As to the Apple store, yes, there's 75K apps out there for the Touch and iPhone. Maybe 100 good ones.

[Tomorrow]

I never understood the big deal, anyway.

I've used a lot of mobile phone cameras, and not one that I have ever seen can take a picture even remotely as good as a cheap (<$100) digital camera.

I'm good with letting my iPod or phone be just that. If it has a camera, that's fine - if it doesn't, no big deal, because the camera isn't all that great, anyway.

[Plutonius]

Apple works in mysterious ways.. (The lack of a 16GB model is a bit baffling to me.)

Not really...

Apple expects the people who would have bought 16GB models to spend a little more and get the 32GB model.

[na1577]

cry me a river...

What's your point? I explained the POV of I and some of the other users. If you don't agree with that, that's your own thing. No need to come in here and troll.

[NC MacGuy]

Just a matter of time before the 8GB says bye-bye and is replaced by the 16 which is being fitted with a camera even as I write.

[LazersGoPEWPEW]

I just want to know if Apple is considering these devices "3G" or not... they don't call it that anywhere on their website (although they do call the new nano 5G). All of the "3G" cases that started popping up on websites (i.e. BestBuy.com) were pulled. Makes you wonder if the real "3G" is still coming...

I went to bestbuy today and they had the label for the new ipod touch as 3G.

[michael.lauden]

I never understood the big deal, anyway.

I've used a lot of mobile phone cameras, and not one that I have ever seen can take a picture even remotely as good as a cheap (<$100) digital camera.

I'm good with letting my iPod or phone be just that. If it has a camera, that's fine - if it doesn't, no big deal, because the camera isn't all that great, anyway.

well usually when people pay 200$ for a 'media' device, they expect it to have a basic feature that 30$ cell phones have.

and when the model under the iPod touch has it, it get kind of frustrating.

[Tomorrow]

well usually when people pay 200$ for a 'media' device, they expect it to have a basic feature that 30$ cell phones have.

Like making phone calls? Or sending text messages?

How many .mp3 players out there have cameras?

If Apple had put a camera in it, people would just b!tch about something else it doesn't have, like a waffle iron or tire jack or something.

[SnowLeopard2008]

well usually when people pay 200$ for a 'media' device, they expect it to have a basic feature that 30$ cell phones have.

and when the model under the iPod touch has it, it get kind of frustrating.

Really? :confused::eek: Which PMP has a camera? Internal, not external. And cameras, cellphones, and camcorders don't count as a PMP.

[al1cre]

Really? :confused::eek: Which PMP has a camera? Internal, not external. And cameras, cellphones, and camcorders don't count as a PMP.

The Nano.

[Silencer]

Personally I thought it was a real shocker that most of the rumors I thought might happen didn't.

A majority of us wanted a camera on the iPod touch. But due to hardware issues it was not present at the refresh. But at least if was given a hardware bump which is good.

In my opinion I was upset that it didn't have any new features but now i don't think it needs a camera. Many of us have cellphones which have a few megapixels or more.

I just bought the new 32GB iPod touch and I can say the hardware boost alone and price is justified when you see how fast and quick it is from the previous gen.

Apple are probably gonna add a camera refresh in the near future but I won't be complaining.

[surfingmonk]

I just want to add one thing, adding a camera wouldnt only satisfy the "hardcore" MR readers.

For example take me. I am what you could say an average consumer (even tho I have an account here, its pretty new and I barely come check stuff out). I wanted a camera because I cant carry my big ass Nikon around everyday and there are plenty of times where I wished I could take a photo but couldnt due to lack of a camera. So going to the park on a weekend, or to watch a football game where I wouldnt normally take the camera but would deffo take an iPod touch is a perfect example of why a camera would be incredibly useful not only to me, but to a big percentage of an "average" iPod touch buyer.

Finally, it makes much more sense for the Touch to have a camera than the Nano... the Touch integrates it more seamlessly with its WiFi connection, not a cluncky USB system to upload which is frankly pretty un-Apple.

What leads me to my conclussion, I believe the reason why it didnt get a camera is because they deemed the lower-res VGA camera that works on the Nano to not be up to standards for the higher-res and bigger screened Touch... they will add a camera to the Touch when they figure out how to put a proper iPhone camera in there which atm they cant due to lack of space.

My 2c.

[ruku]

....
Finally, it makes much more sense for the Touch to have a camera than the Nano... the Touch integrates it more seamlessly with its WiFi connection, not a cluncky USB system to upload which is frankly pretty un-Apple.
...
My 2c.


come on big fella, if usb is clunky then all of apples products are too. not a lot of apps use wifi in that way unfortunately, or hadn't you noticed?

[zerolight]

For me, the problem isn't that Apple scammed anyone, they never promised anything so no scam occured. The problem is the Touch line feels like its standing still, there's no compelling reason to upgrade from (in my case) a first gen model which is deeply annoying. A camera would have been a very nice addition and given it that psychological tick of approval (well, I'm getting a new unit for my money with an extra shiny thing) whereas right now it's hard to justify the £230 expense just for a speed bump and extra memory.

See, for me, with my 1G, I've been playing the same games on my wifes 3GS vs my 1G ipod, and the difference has been boggling. Games that had framerate issues on my 1G, were so silky smooth on my wifes phone that I was stunned.

The general speed of the 3GS vs the 1G ipod is ridiculous. Then you have the extra ram which makes surfing a pleasure rather than a chore. Regardless of camera, the upgrade from a 1G or 2G ipod to the new 3G is vast.

You never see complaints from iMac or Mac Book users when they upgrade to the latest laptop saying "jeez the only difference between my new macbook and my old one is that this is much faster, what a rip-off".

The ipod touches are best thought of as pocket computers - by and large all you'll see year on year are faster processors, faster graphics chips, and more memory. You may eventually find cameras and gps creeping in there too, which would be great.

[michael.lauden]

The Nano.

ouuch. that one stung

[PeterQVenkman]

What's your point? I explained the POV of I and some of the other users. If you don't agree with that, that's your own thing. No need to come in here and troll.

This thread (which he started) was created specifically to troll. There's no other point.