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zimv20
Jul 5, 2004, 09:10 PM
link (http://www.latimes.com/la-na-statue3jul03,1,7327035.story)


July 3, 2004

The Army's internal study of the war in Iraq criticizes some efforts by its own psychological operations units, but one spur-of-the-moment effort last year produced the most memorable image of the invasion.

As the Iraqi regime was collapsing on April 9, 2003, Marines converged on Firdos Square in central Baghdad, site of an enormous statue of Saddam Hussein. It was a Marine colonel — not joyous Iraqi civilians, as was widely assumed from the TV images — who decided to topple the statue, the Army report said. And it was a quick-thinking Army psychological operations team that made it appear to be a spontaneous Iraqi undertaking.

After the colonel — who was not named in the report — selected the statue as a "target of opportunity," the psychological team used loudspeakers to encourage Iraqi civilians to assist, according to an account by a unit member.

But Marines had draped an American flag over the statue's face.

"God bless them, but we were thinking … that this was just bad news," the member of the psychological unit said. "We didn't want to look like an occupation force, and some of the Iraqis were saying, 'No, we want an Iraqi flag!' "

Someone produced an Iraqi flag, and a sergeant in the psychological operations unit quickly replaced the American flag.

Ultimately, a Marine recovery vehicle toppled the statue with a chain, but the effort appeared to be Iraqi-inspired because the psychological team had managed to pack the vehicle with cheering Iraqi children.



Neserk
Jul 5, 2004, 10:01 PM
As one old friend of mine would say: No ****, Sherlock.

Did anyone ever believe otherwise? :p

I guess it is nice to have the obvious documented, though.

Voltron
Jul 5, 2004, 10:17 PM
Fox news reported exactly what you posted. The Iraqi's were ready to give up so the army went in with a chain and a tank and gave a hand. Too bad that dildo with the US flag had to do a horrible pr blunder earlier. Goes to prove you want the truth watch FOX.http://www.gamefox.net/images/fox4.gif http://sharevana.com/forums/images/generalsmileys/7-picture1.gif

BTW: for the rules thread; what is, if anything, so insulting about this smiley? It's all in how you use them.

IJ Reilly
Jul 5, 2004, 11:41 PM
Some photos not very widely circulated at the time showed that the teaming masses of Iraqis who were alleged to be at the event were in fact a few hundred, at most.

zimv20
Jul 5, 2004, 11:56 PM
such photos were referenced to here. i recall noting that the video images the US was served used standard movie tricks to make the crowd seem larger.

blackfox
Jul 6, 2004, 12:47 AM
wish the deaths were "stage-managed"...I guess we are running a micheal bay/Jerry Bruckheimer<sp?> war. Lots of explosions, little thought/attention to script,plot or possible intelligence of viewers...

Chip NoVaMac
Jul 6, 2004, 07:12 AM
And some doubt that we could ever attack a wedding party. As it has been said many times; the first causality of war, is the truth.

Chip NoVaMac
Jul 6, 2004, 07:19 AM
Fox news reported exactly what you posted. The Iraqi's were ready to give up so the army went in with a chain and a tank and gave a hand. Too bad that dildo with the US flag had to do a horrible pr blunder earlier. Goes to prove you want the truth watch FOX.

Maybe I missed something in the original post. Your reference to the FOX report is that the toppling was an Iraqi led endeavor. Yet the report makes it seem that it was a US psy-ops instigated operation. So I wonder which report is true then?

Voltron
Jul 6, 2004, 09:38 AM
Maybe I missed something in the original post. Your reference to the FOX report is that the toppling was an Iraqi led endeavor. Yet the report makes it seem that it was a US psy-ops instigated operation. So I wonder which report is true then?
No I never said Fox said it was an Iraqi led endeavor.
Might want to reread it again.
I'm saying he's right I knew already and Fox reported the same thing he is now. ie its old news.

Chip NoVaMac
Jul 6, 2004, 11:04 AM
No I never said Fox said it was an Iraqi led endeavor.
Might want to reread it again.
I'm saying he's right I knew already and Fox reported the same thing he is now. ie its old news.

Sorry you confused me with:

The Iraqi's were ready to give up so the army went in with a chain and a tank and gave a hand.

verses what the article mentioned:

After the colonel — who was not named in the report — selected the statue as a "target of opportunity," the psychological team used loudspeakers to encourage Iraqi civilians to assist, according to an account by a unit member.

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Ultimately, a Marine recovery vehicle toppled the statue with a chain, but the effort appeared to be Iraqi-inspired because the psychological team had managed to pack the vehicle with cheering Iraqi children.

Sorry that I misunderstood what was an opinion verses fact in your original post. You ended that paragraph with a reference to FOX news.