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ss957916
Sep 15, 2009, 11:37 AM
It sounds incredibly dodgy - especially the 'get all your money back' and 'will not void your warranty' bits!

I love the idea of increasing the capacity. Anyone use it? Any feedback? Worth the money?



spice weasel
Sep 15, 2009, 11:52 AM
It won't void your warranty because it is a patchstick hack, and doesn't require cracking open the case. Others who have gone the paid route can tell you whether they think it's worth it or not, but you can basically get all the same functionality for free by doing it yourself. Check out atvusb-creator (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/) and then take a look at Boxee (http://www.boxee.tv/homepage/) as a place to start. There are other hacks you can do as well, but they all start with creating and applying a patchstick.

MacBlackBook22
Sep 15, 2009, 12:04 PM
I don't think I would have kept the :apple:TV or ended up buying a second one if not for the ATV Flash. Having the ability to have external hard drives attached for storing movies in is what I find is the best thing about the program. I don't like streaming movies its just to dodgy in a multi-level townhouse. It had never worked at streaming music with itunes. I prefer having movies stored on hard drives connected directly to the :apple:TV's.

I liked the fact that all the work was done by ATV Flash. I am not to savy about things like this so having ready to go was perfect for me. The process was very easy to do and I have had no problems with the install and use of the program.

richorlin
Sep 15, 2009, 01:48 PM
...at least, for me it is. I like the fact the it's "good to go" as soon as you download it. The developer is quick to update it when a new ATV version is released. Customer support is fast and good - they seeem to respond to emails within 24 hours.

I guess that's enough reasons to fork over $49.

TuckBodi
Sep 15, 2009, 02:29 PM
I liked the fact that all the work was done by ATV Flash.

That's kinda a slap in the face to all the plug-in dev's who make up a majority of what these patchsticks do, on top of the guy who created the Bootloader, which all these patchsticks have to use to work in the first place (who also happens to have created the best and FREE patchstick out there, ATVUSB-Creator (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/))).

I've said this a thousand times, it amazes me that there's something out there which is the best patchstick (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/) available, AND is blessed by all the ATV plugin dev's, AND is from the creator of the Bootloader all patchsticks use, AND is from one of the main dev's working on the incredible XBMC (of which Boxee and Plex are forks) AND is FREE.

If there's something ATVFlash and Patchstick.ca can do that ATVUSB-Creator (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/) can't do, please let me know.

johnkountz
Sep 15, 2009, 03:06 PM
That's kinda a slap in the face to all the plug-in dev's who make up a majority of what these patchsticks do, on top of the guy who created the Bootloader, which all these patchsticks have to use to work in the first place (who also happens to have created the best and FREE patchstick out there, ATVUSB-Creator (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/))).

I've said this a thousand times, it amazes me that there's something out there which is the best patchstick (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/) available, AND is blessed by all the ATV plugin dev's, AND is from the creator of the Bootloader all patchsticks use, AND is from one of the main dev's working on the incredible XBMC (of which Boxee and Plex are forks) AND is FREE.

If there's something ATVFlash and Patchstick.ca can do that ATVUSB-Creator (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/) can't do, please let me know.

People are allowed to have different opinions dude, relax and breath deeply. Different tastes and different flavors make life interesting.

From your perspective, going to the source makes total sense. That's cool, just know -- other people respond differently with different motivators.

peace out

ss957916
Sep 15, 2009, 03:13 PM
It won't void your warranty because it is a patchstick hack, and doesn't require cracking open the case. Others who have gone the paid route can tell you whether they think it's worth it or not, but you can basically get all the same functionality for free by doing it yourself. Check out atvusb-creator (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/) and then take a look at Boxee (http://www.boxee.tv/homepage/) as a place to start. There are other hacks you can do as well, but they all start with creating and applying a patchstick.

So using atvusb-creator and a physical USB stick is all I need to allow my ATV to accept an external drive via the USB? Is that right?

Can I do this considering I have very little IT knowledge without completely screwing my ATV?

TuckBodi
Sep 15, 2009, 03:22 PM
People are allowed to have different opinions dude, relax and breath deeply. Different tastes and different flavors make life interesting.

From your perspective, going to the source makes total sense. That's cool, just know -- other people respond differently with different motivators.

peace out

You're absolutely correct. Except I see this same kind of posting at least once a week and some times I suspect it's the other companies trying to sell their wares, which are built off of the sweat of these other open source developers, and are the exact same thing if not better, and are free.

Different tastes and different flavors

Ummm, actually all these patchsticks do basically the same thing. So how does paying $50 justify it? Have you tried ATVUSB-Creator (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/)? Is there something wrong with how it hacks your ATV versus the others?

Just trying to keep the community honest is all and in these tight times saving my fellow ATV enthusiasts a little casholla..... :D

AtticusFinch
Sep 15, 2009, 03:35 PM
That's kinda a slap in the face to all the plug-in dev's who make up a majority of what these patchsticks do, on top of the guy who created the Bootloader, which all these patchsticks have to use to work in the first place (who also happens to have created the best and FREE patchstick out there, ATVUSB-Creator (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/))).

I've said this a thousand times, it amazes me that there's something out there which is the best patchstick (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/) available, AND is blessed by all the ATV plugin dev's, AND is from the creator of the Bootloader all patchsticks use, AND is from one of the main dev's working on the incredible XBMC (of which Boxee and Plex are forks) AND is FREE.

If there's something ATVFlash and Patchstick.ca can do that ATVUSB-Creator (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/) can't do, please let me know.

I think you are taking the original comment way out of context. I believe they meant they like that the patchstick does all the work for them (in a literal sense), as apposed to figuring out how to hack it them selves.

ss957916
Sep 15, 2009, 03:45 PM
I suspect it's the other companies trying to sell their wares, which are built off of the sweat of these other open source developers, and are the exact same thing if not better, and are free.



I'm from no company!

You say they're the exact same thing or better but, from the last 90mins of research, I still don't really understand what I need to do to get atvusb, nor how to make it work, nor if it'll give me the ability to use an external drive with my ATV.

$49 is sounding good at the moment considering I earn that in about 20mins and paying it may save me a lot of time.

TuckBodi
Sep 15, 2009, 03:50 PM
I think you are taking the original comment way out of context. I believe they meant they like that the patchstick does all the work for them (in a literal sense), as apposed to figuring out how to hack it them selves.

Yeah, I kinda did. Sorry, my bad.

Guess I was just trying to point out the ATVUSB-Creator patchstick just does the same thing as these others and was built by the guy who did the Bootloader (with input by the ATV plugin dev's themselves) after they got tired of these other patchsticks (expressly by some patchsticks long gone) who were pretty obnoxious on making a profit off the others hard work (and in Cisco's case, even bragged about it). Too bad awkwardtv no longer exists as there was some great reading on the subject up in the forums.

Regardless, give ATVUSB-Creator a try. It's a piece of cake to hack the ATV with it!

ss957916
Sep 15, 2009, 03:54 PM
It's a piece of cake to hack the ATV with it!

I want that to be true!

TuckBodi
Sep 15, 2009, 04:03 PM
I'm from no company!

You say they're the exact same thing or better but, from the last 90mins of research, I still don't really understand what I need to do to get atvusb, nor how to make it work, nor if it'll give me the ability to use an external drive with my ATV.

$49 is sounding good at the moment considering I earn that in about 20mins and paying it may save me a lot of time.

<sigh> I didn't mean you.

Here's a step-by-step guide. If you find this too hard then go the ATVFlash route and power to yah. Wish I had $50 to waste on something free instead of using it on beer. :D

http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=1959

ss957916
Sep 15, 2009, 05:14 PM
<sigh> I didn't mean you.

Here's a step-by-step guide. If you find this too hard then go the ATVFlash route and power to yah. Wish I had $50 to waste on something free instead of using it on beer. :D

http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=1959

I've tried using that iclarified thing and have got this far... Download failed.

Any help appreciated!

ss957916
Sep 15, 2009, 05:29 PM
In fact, what is dev/disk2?

jim.arrows
Sep 15, 2009, 05:33 PM
In fact, what is dev/disk2?

Hopefully it's your usb thumbdrive; do you have any USB hard drives attached to your system?

jim.arrows
Sep 15, 2009, 05:41 PM
I've tried using that iclarified thing and have got this far... Download failed.

Any help appreciated!

The fact you're getting a 404 from the web server means the .dmg that was there when they last updated the patchstick is no longer present... assuming it pulls the image directly from Apple's servers, maybe they're updating to Take 3? :D

Assuming you're using the latest atvusb-creator, you may be out of luck for the time being. Did you try more than once and get the same error?

ss957916
Sep 15, 2009, 05:41 PM
Hopefully it's your usb thumbdrive; do you have any USB hard drives attached to your system?

I do - I've formatted it to Mac OS Extended (journaled) and it's showing in Finder.

But I'm getting that error 404 and can't find any info on the web. Sigh!

ss957916
Sep 15, 2009, 05:43 PM
The fact you're getting a 404 from the web server means the .dmg that was there when they last updated the patchstick is no longer present... assuming it pulls the image directly from Apple's servers, maybe they're updating to Take 3? :D

Assuming you're using the latest atvusb-creator, you may be out of luck for the time being. Did you try more than once and get the same error?

I see - so what it's trying to download is from Apple themselves?

I've tried several times including reinstalling atvusb creator and rebooting my Mac.

jim.arrows
Sep 15, 2009, 05:48 PM
I do - I've formatted it to Mac OS Extended (journaled) and it's showing in Finder.

But I'm getting that error 404 and can't find any info on the web. Sigh!

Ok, just be careful because that may be your external harddrive you're trying to format rather than the thumbdrive. If you're not sure, you may want to detach the external (assuming you're not booting off it) until you finish. But it sounds like it's not working anyway, so that 404 might have saved you. :)

jim.arrows
Sep 15, 2009, 05:50 PM
I see - so what it's trying to download is from Apple themselves?

I don't know that for sure, I'm speculating -- they may have been hosting a known image themselves or pulling it directly from Apple's servers. My guess is they were pulling from Apple and the image they were using has now been removed, but I'm not at home to try it myself so can't say for sure...

ss957916
Sep 15, 2009, 05:54 PM
Ok - thanks for the help. I assumed that, when downloading the atvusb zip file, everything needed would be in there. Didn't realise it'd need to connect to the web and download MORE stuff.

I think I'll just buy ATV Flash as this 'free' route has already cost me more than three hours of my time and I've still got nowhere!

Thanks anyway.

jim.arrows
Sep 15, 2009, 06:01 PM
Ok - thanks for the help. I assumed that, when downloading the atvusb zip file, everything needed would be in there. Didn't realise it'd need to connect to the web and download MORE stuff.

I think I'll just buy ATV Flash as this 'free' route has already cost me more than three hours of my time and I've still got nowhere!

Thanks anyway.

NP, good luck with the ATV Flash...

MacBlackBook22
Sep 16, 2009, 06:03 PM
That's kinda a slap in the face to all the plug-in dev's who make up a majority of what these patchsticks do, on top of the guy who created the Bootloader, which all these patchsticks have to use to work in the first place (who also happens to have created the best and FREE patchstick out there, ATVUSB-Creator (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/))).

I've said this a thousand times, it amazes me that there's something out there which is the best patchstick (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/) available, AND is blessed by all the ATV plugin dev's, AND is from the creator of the Bootloader all patchsticks use, AND is from one of the main dev's working on the incredible XBMC (of which Boxee and Plex are forks) AND is FREE.

If there's something ATVFlash and Patchstick.ca can do that ATVUSB-Creator (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/) can't do, please let me know.

It's all well and good that its free and I can understand your frustration but the thing is that people are willing to buy a product that is for "dummy's" which I am one of. Most sites are written up so that mostly only other geeks can understand. My point is that ATV Flash is packaged so that I could understand how its to be installed also on their site they had a step by step install video. So for me its better to pay for something that you can work rather than get something that you will get extremely frustrated trying to get installed as I see the original thread started ended up being.

Duffinator
Sep 26, 2009, 07:41 PM
Ok - thanks for the help. I assumed that, when downloading the atvusb zip file, everything needed would be in there. Didn't realise it'd need to connect to the web and download MORE stuff.

I think I'll just buy ATV Flash as this 'free' route has already cost me more than three hours of my time and I've still got nowhere!

Thanks anyway.Yeah, at that point $50 looks cheap. Like you I value my time highly. Did you buy ATVFlash and if so how easy was it to install? Are you happy with it?

jersey10
Sep 26, 2009, 08:08 PM
What happens with ATV Flash when the AppleTV software is updated? I assume you have to reinstall it, but are you able to do that without having to pay the $50 again?

Probably a dumb question, but I want to make sure before I consider spending $50.

MacBlackBook22
Sep 26, 2009, 08:55 PM
I believe you get free updates for the first year if you haven't purchased additional years support then you won't

foofan
Sep 26, 2009, 09:57 PM
$50 gets you the software. As long as you have the software stored on your mac, you'll always be able to prepare a patchstick. If apple does an update, just reinstall the patch stick

So far i think atvflash is sweet. i now can play avi movie files and ripped dvd's

I've also been able to watch and record live tv using my old miglia Tvmini HD box

jersey10
Sep 27, 2009, 11:34 AM
Another question - if you pay the $50 for ATV Flash, can you install it on as many AppleTVs as you have, or just one?

Thanks.

Airforcekid
Sep 27, 2009, 11:43 AM
Its great I could do it for free but not worth the hassle!

Airforcekid
Sep 27, 2009, 11:44 AM
Another question - if you pay the $50 for ATV Flash, can you install it on as many AppleTVs as you have, or just one?

Thanks.

Many as you want you can even use them same patchstick.

xcell
Oct 13, 2009, 08:42 AM
I am sure whether I am in the right forum after the comments I have read but just wanted to give my comment and ask for feedback after buying ATVFlash.
I had no problem installing it on ATV (incl all the different player plugins). I also can use the Internet application (Couch Surfer). Nevertheless ATV Finder reboots every time when I am trying to watch a live stream (f.e.http://mediathek-video.br-online.de/o16/br/b7/player/public/b7mediathek.html?bccode=bfs)
When using the Firefox application from ATVFlash the window first opens but after some time the Finder reboots also (Apple Logo appears).
It seems that there is a problem with the players (probably windows) which are used by the streaming providers. The players (plugins) I have installed with ATV Flash where QT, Flip4Mac, Flash, VLC an mplayer.

Does anyone has solved this issue?
Regards, Axel

EDIT: I have posted this issue some days ago at the aTV Flash forum (http://forum.atvflash.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1901)

EDIT 10/14: I just tried (to figure out witch player does not work) to watch videos on youtube using aTV's Couch Surfer. These videos also cannot be played. Thank's to Apple they have a Youtube feature integrated in their AppleTV - maybe THEY should also make their box Internet (streaming) ready...

TuckBodi
Oct 13, 2009, 10:39 AM
EDIT: I have posted this issue some days ago at the aTV Flash forum (http://forum.atvflash.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1901)

For $50 they don't include customer support?! :eek:

xcell
Oct 13, 2009, 07:40 PM
For $50 they don't include customer support?! :eek:

Thanks Bodi - I now used the support form on their page :cool:

aTVFlash also answered to my post in their forum:
Adobe Flash may not have been properly enabled. There is a guide for doing this here: http://wiki.atvflash.com/index.php?title=Enable_Flash
The guide refers to OSX Tiger and a file I should own (CoreAudioKit.framework). I am running OSX10.6.1... I keep you up on the Tech Support reply.

nialc
Mar 31, 2010, 03:37 PM
That's kinda a slap in the face to all the plug-in dev's who make up a majority of what these patchsticks do, on top of the guy who created the Bootloader, which all these patchsticks have to use to work in the first place (who also happens to have created the best and FREE patchstick out there, ATVUSB-Creator (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/))).

I've said this a thousand times, it amazes me that there's something out there which is the best patchstick (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/) available, AND is blessed by all the ATV plugin dev's, AND is from the creator of the Bootloader all patchsticks use, AND is from one of the main dev's working on the incredible XBMC (of which Boxee and Plex are forks) AND is FREE.

If there's something ATVFlash and Patchstick.ca can do that ATVUSB-Creator (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/) can't do, please let me know.


I'll bump this thread now, since I'm also about to decide how to proceed in this matter.

I'd really love to save those $50 by installing everything my self, and I do believe I'm capable of it.. So, what I'm really curious about is if atvflash offers more software than ATVUSB-Creator does?


On atvflash's website they list the following:

Supported Media Formats:
- .avi, .divx, .eyetv, flv, .m4v, .mkv, .mp4, .mov, .mpeg, .mpg, .ogg, .ogm, .rm, .rmvb, .wmv, .xvid
- Up to 5 Mbps, maximum resolution 1280x720 @ 24fps, 960x540 @ 30fps
- DVD files: VIDEO_TS/VOB and ISO
- Audio support for: AAC, AC3, DTS, FLAC, MPEG3, MPEG4, VBR MP3, and WMA
- Subtitle support for SSA and SRT

Included Software:
- FTP/SFTP/SSH Access - Transfer files to and from your AppleTV
- NitoTV - Play DVD files, enable USB storage and much more
- Couch Surfer Pro - Powerful Safari based web browser
- Sapphire - Play and organize media using IMDB database
- ATVFiles - Browse and play stored media
- Overflow - Combine multiple menu items into a single menu
- AirControl beta - Use the Loop™ Pointer from Hillcrest Labs on AppleTV
- XBMC - A fully customizable media center software
- Boxee beta - Watch and share media with your friends
- Maintenance - Manage installed plugins, and install additional features
- All Available Video Codecs (Perian, A52, Mplayer + more)


On http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/ they simply tell you this.

This version is comes with ssh, bin tools, and two plugins (XBMC/Boxee Installer/Launcher and SoftwareMenu). That's right, two full blown OSX applications with their own AppleTV plugin to launch AND get updates

Therefore I'm curious about if there's anything in that "software list" that's also in the atvusb-creator install through the XBMC/Boxee software, even though it doesn't say so.. Eg. the possibility to unlock the usb drive for hdd's etc..

Or do I have to install each and every one of them if I chose to save my $50 not go for the atvflash option..



Hopefully someone had enogh time to read through my thread.. sorry bout the lenght of it..

Andreas

hardkoreprawn
Mar 31, 2010, 03:48 PM
I followed http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=876654 after installing NitoTV, installing Boxee and XBMC were simple menu clicks (although, I'll almost certainly not use them). Same result as spending $50 on ATVFlash, and more satisfying as I felt like I'd actually achieved something at the end...

nialc
Mar 31, 2010, 04:04 PM
Well, I supose I wont cost me anything but time to give the atvusb-creator a try before spending a $50 on atvflash.

And I guess all those Supported Media Formats I pasted above, from flash atv's list, come with XBMC & Boxee right?

Or will I have to install codecs for that separately too?

hardkoreprawn
Mar 31, 2010, 04:12 PM
Should be supported in XBMC (and therefore in Boxee too)

Sparced
Apr 1, 2010, 12:00 PM
Right now I have a 2TB external attached to my iMac that contains just my iTunes library. Is it a good idea to have a second 2TB drive attached to my Apple TV downstairs acting as the "primary storage" using ATV Flash option as it's backup?

If I lost my data can I access that second drive's files if it's connected to a computer or is that not possible? If so that save me from backing up the conventional way and I can copy what's downstairs if something ever happened.

hardkoreprawn
Apr 1, 2010, 03:38 PM
Easier surely to use the second drive to back up the iTunes library on your computer (and therefore have 3 copies).
If the worst comes to the worst with your current setup, you can mount the external ATV drive on a Mac and reimport everything.

nialc
Apr 1, 2010, 05:22 PM
Regarding my first post in this thread I could simply tell you that, yes, it is indeed quite possible to manage this setup by yourself.

But it IS time consuming and I've found it quite frustrating sometimes, as you need to do factory reset every now and then.
Mostly when somethings gone wrong and you dont know how to get control of the situation again.

I've spent the entire day with this and probably done 3 factory resets already before I finally (and hopefully) got it right.
Although I still got a couple small compatibility issues, causing me to NOT being able to install a certain plugin.
:confused:

I AM still trying though, but right now I'm mostly interested in how you "others" make your day with the hacked ATV.

Since I dont use iTunes on my mac, and instead store all my media contents on an Debian server that's sharing through
both AFP & SMB, I'm now interested in the BEST way of sharing movies & music to the ATV.

Or, maybe I should rather say the best way of making them available through the ATV, does one really need to use Boxee or XBMC to organize it neatly, or could I use the default "menu options" such as "Movies" & "Music" to sort my media content and watch it?

Need to make everything as easy as possible for my wife to be able to use it.
Otherwise she will never stop accusing me for spending my/our money on some new tech she cant even use...
:(

Sparced
Apr 1, 2010, 05:44 PM
Easier surely to use the second drive to back up the iTunes library on your computer (and therefore have 3 copies).
If the worst comes to the worst with your current setup, you can mount the external ATV drive on a Mac and reimport everything.

Adding a third 2TB drive to the mix it begins to get expensive. Rather use that cash on getting more storage on my iPad. If it's possible to still mount it then that sounds good to me.

Just wondered if anyone else does this. I know there's a chance that you turn on your Mac that drive is dead and then you turn on the Apple TV and it says please restore.

I've got 4 old 500GB drives full of crap I could probably format. Music on one, TV shows on another then A-L and M-Z Movies divided.

eliascgr
Apr 2, 2010, 11:14 PM
Hello all!
I got my Apple TV in December and almost right away I got Patchstick.ca solution for 39.99
I previously tried with ATV USB creator. I learned a while ago to SSH and mess with the System entrails of the original iPhone, before it was so easy to Jailbreak it and stuff. I thought it would be easy but after a few fails and frustration that took over 3 hours I decided to just enjoy the new gadget and got Patchstick. I think it has been a good decision overall and payed itself already since I could recover 2 entire seasons of TopGear and Clone Wars that I purchased over the Apple TV but couldn't Sync back to iTunes because of a known bug that several people have experienced. In all forums I looked the appointed solution was SSHing into the Apple TV and recovering the files.

Now after a few months using it a deciding to delete my Music collection from the Apple TV to have space for movies, I think that ATVFlash is a better solution because:

- It includes NitoTV in the original install.
- It includes Couch Surfer Pro in the original install
- It EASYLY allows you to use an external HardDrive ALONG the internal hard drive. It also lets you switch between using an external Hard Drive as primary storage (where all your rents and purchases from iTunes get stored) or the internal hard drive as primary storage.

For me, THIS alone, makes it well worth the 10 extra dollars. The interface and install script seems more polished, more plug and play. There are no scripts, SSH, FTP or anything to start enjoying the solution.

Now, I HAVE NOT purchased ATVFlash just yet. I need to ask over at Patchstick if you can make that change that will allow me to use both, the internal HD and an external HD simultaneously on my Apple TV. As far as the Wiki page from Patchstick states, you can just run a script to make the external hard drive your primary storage.

I hope this helps those willing to pay for the solution decide which one works better for them.