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zimv20
Jul 7, 2004, 11:47 PM
link (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=512&e=4&u=/ap/20040708/ap_on_go_co/congress_reserves)


WASHINGTON - In a bipartisan show of concern that the military is dangerously overworked, lawmakers said Wednesday the Pentagon (news - web sites) is stretching troops to their limit and perhaps undermining the nation's future force.

Amid worries the high level of deployments to Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites) could discourage potential new service members, Rep. John McHugh, R-N.Y., said it was not reassuring that most reserve components were falling below their recruiting goals for the year.

As of May 31, the Army National Guard was reported at 88 percent, the Air National Guard at 93 percent and the Air Force Reserve at 91 percent of their goals.

"We're taxing our part-time soldiers, our Guard and Reserves nearly to the breaking point," said Rep. Ike Skelton of Missouri, top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee. "We have to be aware that the families back home are paying a significant price. We don't want to break the force."

Added Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., the committee chairman: "We're also concerned that insufficient force structure and manpower are leading the services to make decisions that I liken to eating the seed corn. That is, in order to make it through today, we do things that mortgage the future."

The Army recently decided to deploy units that have been used to train other soldiers. Hunter also noted that the ratio of reserves to active duty soldiers in Iraq is increasing and he said he was concerned that troops are not getting enough turnaround time back in the states.

Defense Department officials testified at a committee hearing about troop rotations in Iraq and Afghanistan. The session followed last week's announcement that the Army was calling up soldiers who had already served in the Middle East.

Stretched by war needs, the Pentagon already had declared a "stop-loss" to prevent troops from leaving once they have finished their obligation.

The Army in April broke a promise to some active-duty units, including the 1st Armored Division, that they would not have to serve more than 12 months in Iraq. It also has extended the tours of other units, including some in Afghanistan.

Some lawmakers are seeking a permanent increase in the size of the military. But Pentagon personnel chief David Chu said defense officials can make better use of those in the service by reorganizing brigades, making sure uniformed personnel are not performing jobs civilians could do and temporarily increasing troops levels with stop-loss and other devices.

"I really think you're wrong," Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla., told Chu.

Cole said the Pentagon is doing a superb job of managing it resources, but that "in the end, it does take people, and you are using people pretty hard right now."

"At some point there's a limit in terms of personnel, and I think you're there, Cole said.

Critics have charged that wide use of the stop-loss device and dipping into the Individual Ready Reserve amount to conscripting people to fight in Iraq.

For the first time since the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites), the Army is forcing thousands of former soldiers back into uniform, a reflection of the strain on the service of the long campaign in Iraq, coming on top of the global fight against terrorism.

More than 5,600 former soldiers — mostly those who recently finished serving and have skills in military policing, engineering, logistics, medicine or transportation — will be assigned to National Guard and Reserve units scheduled to deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan, officials announced last week.

Members of the Individual Ready Reserve, perhaps thousands more are likely to be called up next year, the Pentagon said.

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i wonder what happens when an entire military "breaks".



Neserk
Jul 8, 2004, 12:17 AM
Smells like a pre-draft notice to me.

Thanatoast
Jul 8, 2004, 03:56 AM
we've already contracted out as much work as we can. and we all know how well that's worked out. if the government doesn't want to "break" the military, they're going to have to reduce our obligations. shutting down some of our ~140 permanent bases around the world would help, but getting us the **** out of iraq would have the added benefit of saving more money, saving more lives, reducing tensions abroad, and reducing hatred and distrust of us in the middle east. bush and his cronies have really ****ed over the nation with this war. and his building of 14 permanent bases in iraq itself doesn't make it look like he's pulled his head out of his ass yet. is there a doctor in the house?

sorry - rant

skunk
Jul 8, 2004, 04:30 AM
is there a doctor in the house?
Only Condi...

Backtothemac
Jul 8, 2004, 11:00 AM
First, we do need a draft. The military is streched really thin, but lets see. How did that happen? Is it the wars that we are fighting, or is it, the MASSIVE miltiary scale back during the Clinton years that have left us with not enough military manpower to fight two major wars at once. Now, I am not blaming Clinton, I think at the time he did the right thing, and the world no longer needed a military the size of the one we had. But now things are different. Terror is a global war. We are in WWIII like it or not, and no matter who gets elected in November, this isn't going to change.

Look at it this way. Clinton was the smoothest President ever, people loved him, he almost brought peace to the middle east. And yet, 9/11 was planned under Clinton, Trade towers attack number one happened under Clinton, the Cole happened under Clinton, Kenya, Tanzinia, etc.

Point isn't that it was Clinton's fault. Point is that no matter how we treat those in the middle east there will always be a radical sect that wants to kill as many of us as possible. So do we sit back an let them? Or do we kill them before they can kill us?

mactastic
Jul 8, 2004, 06:47 PM
Or do we change or policies such that we don't HAVE to kill all of them? Can we modify our behavaior in such a way that we aren't making enemies faster than we can kill them? Can we act in such a way that we aren't 'giving in' to terrorists, yet still allowing them to save some face and say they got some of what they were after? IOW, is the only option total war or capitulation? Or is there a 3rd Path perhaps....

Backtothemac
Jul 8, 2004, 11:30 PM
Or do we change or policies such that we don't HAVE to kill all of them? Can we modify our behavaior in such a way that we aren't making enemies faster than we can kill them? Can we act in such a way that we aren't 'giving in' to terrorists, yet still allowing them to save some face and say they got some of what they were after? IOW, is the only option total war or capitulation? Or is there a 3rd Path perhaps....

yea, but what is that way? What policy's? How do you change everything without reguard to our economy, way of life, etc? And even if you did, Clinton tried like hell to be good to that part of the world, and look what it got us.

You cannot reason with an unreasonable person, and remember these people are zealots of the worst kind.

mactastic
Jul 9, 2004, 09:04 AM
yea, but what is that way? What policy's? How do you change everything without reguard to our economy, way of life, etc? And even if you did, Clinton tried like hell to be good to that part of the world, and look what it got us.

You cannot reason with an unreasonable person, and remember these people are zealots of the worst kind.

Well like not invading the holiest sites outside Mecca and Medina for one!

IOW you see no choices between killing each and every terrorist that pops up or giving up and letting radical Islam rule the world?

I know, I know, zealots of the worst kind. There's just no reasoning with Dubya and Co. is there...

themadchemist
Jul 9, 2004, 09:12 AM
If we champion a long-term policy of maintaining good relations with the middle east and empathizing with their interests and concerns, then perhaps terrorism can be essentially eradicated as a viable means to express your dissatisfaction with the United States, at least in the Middle East.

For the short-term, a better strategy would be to get more CIA operatives on the ground, get more Arabic experts in our intelligence agencies, and have a National Security Advisor who knew more about the Middle East than a now-defunct communist regime.

You don't use a scoop to pick up a hair. We need more refined, targeted operations instead of sending hundreds of thousands in to topple entire governments while letting a good number of the individuals and groups we want to catch slip through the cracks.