Liquid-Cooled G5 Running Mac OS X 10.3.5

[MacRumors]

According to AppleInsider (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=540), pre-production models of the liquid-cooled dual processor 2.5 Ghz Power Mac G5 are running Mac OS X 10.3.5. While encountering key-command and 'artifacting' glitches, the OS is expected to ship in the new units, possibly prior to its public release.

Sources at WWDC said that the 2.5 Ghz units on display at the show were indeed running a pre-release version of 10.3.5. According to AI's sources, this update should be the most significant to the OS since the release of Panther.

[dizastor]

most significant? wow
I wonder whats under the hood?

Is home on iPod still floating around out there?

[stoid]

10.3.5 has a tiny little hack that keeps Konfabulator from running! BWAHAHA!!!

[virus1]

sounds cool... i wonder what these new features are...

Edit: thats funny about konfabulator... not really fair to the peeps who make it. first they copy it, and then they shut it down..

[JFreak]

10.3.5 makes perfect sence because the liquid-cooling version clearly has such hardware inside that has never before been used in systems running osx. that is a no-brainer. but if someone claims the 10.3.5 os version will be the most significant upgrade since panther intro, there must be some hard evidence.

in protools use the 10.3.4 version has been the most significant upgrade ever - together with protools 6.4 that combination makes the most responsive protools environment on osx so far. one could claim that protools is now as fast in osx than it ever was in pre-osx era.

if 10.3.5 is more than just extra drivers required for new hardware (as in 10.2.7 jaguar version), i'm interested in hearing what is going on and which areas will be improved. if that claim is really true, that will be huge. i am however not holding my breath and will keep on using the current version until enough people praise the dot-five.

[mike412]

i wish they would add the home on the ipod feature...

[AoWolf]

sweet I want 10.3.5...

[Rick65000]

According to AI's sources, this update should be the most significant to the OS since the release of Panther.

Duh.

[plastree]

Crossing my fingers for performance improvements. And networking is still flakey.

[Soire]

Well that sounds great.

But all it does to me is want my 2.5 to be delivered SOONER! :rolleyes:

"When lord, when's it gonna be my time?"

[MrSugar]

sounds cool... i wonder what these new features are...

Edit: thats funny about konfabulator... not really fair to the peeps who make it. first they copy it, and then they shut it down..

The original post was a joke I believe..

[coumerelli]

Right now, all I need is support for my new Motorola v600 phone. I can connect and use 3rd party apps, but NOTHING of Apple's works with it as far as I can tell - BT file exchange, iSync, AB, nothing....

c'mon 10.3.5 *crosses fingers*

[Grimace]

ThismMost significant panther upgrade sounds promising. Maybe a wider range of supported products and a big update for iLife.

[gopher]

According to AppleInsider (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=540), pre-production models of the liquid-cooled dual processor 2.5 Ghz Power Mac G5 are running Mac OS X 10.3.5. While encountering key-command and 'artifacting' glitches, the OS is expected to ship in the new units, possibly prior to its public release.

Sources at WWDC said that the 2.5 Ghz units on display at the show were indeed running a pre-release version of 10.3.5. According to AI's sources, this update should be the most significant to the OS since the release of Panther.


Nothing short of admission of, and the repair of the firewire bugs:

http://www.macmaps.com/firewirebug.html

Would be most significant. Otherwise the sources are merely blowing hot air.

[m.r.m.]

wouldn´t they want to keep the really nice improvements for tiger?!

[SwitchingSoon]

hurry up with the friggin orders already...

[jbembe]

Crossing my fingers for performance improvements. And networking is still flakey.

We aren't the only ones experiencing networking problems. Wonder what the deal is...

[nagromme]

Before too many dozens of people chime in about the Konfabulator thing... Konfabulator was co-created by an ex-Apple employee, and it seems there may be a grudge against Apple there that goes back much farther than Konfab. Konfab IS a cool product and I wish it well--Tiger doesn't do quite the same thing anyway, and there's still the Windows and pre-Tiger X market to keep them going. BUT Apple has NOT stolen a thing:
http://daringfireball.net/2004/06/dashboard_vs_konfabulator
(And in fact, the latest Konfabulator copies Apple's Exposé.)

BTW, don't get your hopes up about 10.3.5... this is a free point update, maybe the biggest in a while if that rumor's true, and I look forward to it. But it won't be a fraction of Tiger :)

I'm betting on a new Safari, not with RSS yet but with the ability save web archives. (As mentioned in other pre-Tiger rumors.)

[Le Big Mac]

Right now, all I need is support for my new Motorola v600 phone. I can connect and use 3rd party apps, but NOTHING of Apple's works with it as far as I can tell - BT file exchange, iSync, AB, nothing....

c'mon 10.3.5 *crosses fingers*

Isn't that more of a problem with the V600 than iSync? I thought moto used some software that couldn't work with iSync.

[g4cubed]

10.3.5 has a tiny little hack that keeps Konfabulator from running! BWAHAHA!!!

That's good. :D

Yea, it'll be kind of nice to have the update earlier than most people. But I'm not sure if I'd want it running 10.3.5 if it does contain noticeable key-command and “artifacting” glitches. It would kinda suck if my new G5, which I sold a kindey to get, ran like ***** :mad: . I would hope to just fire it up and start blazing thru things. Hopefully they'll have them worked out by time mine comes in :D

[DrTill]

the PowerMac G5 2.5GHz Benchmarks on this site (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/07/20040702194153.shtml) say that that the tests where run on OS X 10.3.4?

Just wondering

[g.money]

maybe apple will get off their ass and fix the stupid bug in .3.4 that de-activates iBook500's internal mic. From what I gather in the apple discussion forums, the problem is only limited to this model.

Of course, being nearly 3 years old, I guess my beautiful icebook is considered irrelevant to apple (can you tell I'm a little frustrated? :( )

[leenoble]

If the new Macs are already running a pre-release 10.3.5 then wouldn't that make it more appropriate for the next release to be 10.3.6 otherwise there'd be two 10.3.5s out there and those running the 10.3.5 on a new Mac would find it odd to update to 10.3.5 .

READ MY LIPS: NO NEW FEATURES. Sheesh will you Home-on-iPod people SHUT UP!

[nmk]

Why would those runnning 10.3.5 on a new mac upgrade to 10.3.5 :confused:. 10.3.5 will be released through software update for users of older Macs whereas new Macs will already have it installed. Don't see where the confusion is.

[morkintosh]

Edit: thats funny about konfabulator... not really fair to the peeps who make it. first they copy it, and then they shut it down..

I'm pretty sure he was joking about that whole konfabulator thing.

[achmafooma]

maybe apple will get off their ass and fix the stupid bug in .3.4 that de-activates iBook500's internal mic. From what I gather in the apple discussion forums, the problem is only limited to this model.

Of course, being nearly 3 years old, I guess my beautiful icebook is considered irrelevant to apple (can you tell I'm a little frustrated? :( )
Lots of people do seem to have experienced that problem, although my iBook 500's mic works fine. I know of no explanation for why so many are affected, and mine is not.

I'm up for any bugfixes and features Apple chooses to throw our way. I wouldn't rule out home-on-iPod or other minor new features, Apple's done quiet new features in point releases before (though it doesn't happen often).

[Wonder Boy]

Right now, all I need is support for my new Motorola v600 phone. I can connect and use 3rd party apps, but NOTHING of Apple's works with it as far as I can tell - BT file exchange, iSync, AB, nothing....

c'mon 10.3.5 *crosses fingers*

i want to get the v600. i have the c331, and it's great but i'm being strong armed by cingular to get a new phone. so im switching to verizon! anyway, i hope 10.3.5 also brings new versions of ical, address book, and especially isync.

ps. coumerelli, is the v600 a good phone? :)

[pdpfilms]

what the heck is "home on iPod"????

[youngr40]

what the heck is "home on iPod"????

Home folder synced to your iPod I understand it to be

[Jalexster]

It means putting your home folder on your iPod. So that way, no matter what computer you go to, your User Name will show up in the user name list, because you plug your ipod in.

You will be able to access all your documents, music, files, etc... And all your settings, your wallpaper, etc... will show up too, on ANY computer.

[reaper]

i want to get the v600. i have the c331, and it's great but i'm being strong armed by cingular to get a new phone. so im switching to verizon! anyway, i hope 10.3.5 also brings new versions of ical, address book, and especially isync.

ps. coumerelli, is the v600 a good phone? :)

Sorry to go off topic, but the v600 isn't available for Verizon. The closest you will get is the forthcoming v710. However, when it will be released is still anyone's guess.

Back to the topic at hand! :)

- reaper

[dizastor]

READ MY LIPS: NO NEW FEATURES. Sheesh will you Home-on-iPod people SHUT UP!

Sheesh. It's not like we are looking for g5 powerbooks. Home on iPod is a really snazzy feature that I think a lot of people would use. Calm down.

[m.r.m.]

only makes sense for the 40gb ipod owners, right? my home folder is 23gb and i only have a 15gb ipod. you'd need a large ipod for this to make sense, right?

[DrGruv1]

Right now, all I need is support for my new Motorola v600 phone. I can connect and use 3rd party apps, but NOTHING of Apple's works with it as far as I can tell - BT file exchange, iSync, AB, nothing....

c'mon 10.3.5 *crosses fingers*

I gave up waitting for the v600, I couldn't even get the T630, so ended up with the t610 - for those using this phone there are mac screen sets for your phone at http://www.myt610.net

best
-mike

[paxtonandrew]

Edit: thats funny about konfabulator... not really fair to the peeps who make it. first they copy it, and then they shut it down..


This all sounds familliar. This sounds like Apple are turining into Microsoft, with their buy copy and (in Apple's Case, Try to) shut them down. I use Konfabulator, and I really love it, but I think it needs to have ore International support. The only Australian widget i seem to be able to use is the weather. Stock tracker won't work outside the USA.

Anyhow, back to 10.3.5, I don't expect anythink radical. It will be another Broadband downloader, possible 65-70mb, with some work on Expose, and maybe a new Safari(pre.RSS), but I mainly expect bug fixes and more work on the Unix.

[ifjake]

in response to #33
maybe you could pick and choose what it is you want to sync up. like, i wouldn't want to sync up my movies folder, or maybe sync only the current movie project i was working on and not all the past stuff. and would you really be able to run applications from an iPod? i'm not so sure that would always work right. yeah this is a pretty cool idea.

[dizastor]

only makes sense for the 40gb ipod owners, right? my home folder is 23gb and i only have a 15gb ipod. you'd need a large ipod for this to make sense, right?

large ipod, or a small home folder.

I'm assuming you could also select which folders and apps to cart along with you since most people wouldn't need to take everything with them all the time. As always I would expect the trademark ease of use that Apple is known for.

[leenoble]

Why would those runnning 10.3.5 on a new mac upgrade to 10.3.5 :confused:. 10.3.5 will be released through software update for users of older Macs whereas new Macs will already have it installed. Don't see where the confusion is.

Because the article states they are running a pre-release build of 10.3.5 which has bugs in it. They won't release that version to everyone and they'll want the owners of the buggy systems to upgrade. There would otherwise be two 10.3.5s out there as I said. Makes more sense for them to label it 10.3.6 and get everybody to upgrade.

And to clarify my position on H-o-iP, yes it would be a great new feature, and yes it will probably happen but every time there's a piddling little incremental update a bunch of people show up expecting it to have H-o-iP included. Well I'll state categorically that this WILL NOT HAPPEN in 10.3.5, 10.3.6, 10.3.7 or 10.3.8 or 10.3.9 or 10.3.10 or.. I mean I could go on. It won't happen until AT LEAST 10.4.

[rendezvouscp]

in response to #33
maybe you could pick and choose what it is you want to sync up. like, i wouldn't want to sync up my movies folder, or maybe sync only the current movie project i was working on and not all the past stuff. and would you really be able to run applications from an iPod? i'm not so sure that would always work right. yeah this is a pretty cool idea.

That's how Apple's Backup works, so I wouldn't be surprised.
–Chase

[ryan]

This all sounds familliar. This sounds like Apple are turining into Microsoft, with their buy copy and (in Apple's Case, Try to) shut them down. I use Konfabulator, and I really love it, but I think it needs to have ore International support. The only Australian widget i seem to be able to use is the weather. Stock tracker won't work outside the USA.
Not to continue to hijack this thread but...

Go to this this (http://x180.net/Journal/Conferences/WWDC/2004/Tuesday.html) link and read the text under the "The Dashboard Controversy" (don't worry, it's short).

[Freg3000]

Here is the original story for Home On iPod (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/10/20031008183849.shtml) which was discovered shortly after the official release date for Panther was announced on October 8, 2003.

Also, here is a MacRumors mirror (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/applemobility.html) of Apple's site which briefly mentioned Home On iPod (briefly as in a about 10 minutes).

[savar]

only makes sense for the 40gb ipod owners, right? my home folder is 23gb and i only have a 15gb ipod. you'd need a large ipod for this to make sense, right?

23GB in your home folder!?! I guess you're making heavy use of that Movies folder.

Well if the turnover in your homefolder is high (ie. you work on several large DV files in between each iPod sync), then even a 40GB iPod won't be too helpful. Firewire is pretty fast, but syncing 5-10GB every time you dock your iPod? That would be way too cumbersome.

[tex210]

10.3.5 supports cooling.... can 10.3.4 do that? I'd say that's pretty big. Note though I'm on 10.2.8 patiently waiting for "TEN.FOUR". I've bought every iteration up to that point. (kinda don't like how each revision has it's own 'personality', kinda made me think we'd be paying yearly forever, so I'm holding off. 10.4.1 should be great! And 10.4.8 will be The biggest release in Apple's History! uh..., 'til 11 or was that XI?)

oh yeah... you couldn't possibly want 10.3.5 on anything other than a top of the line liquid cooled machine. 10.3.6 will come soon enough.

[BWhaler]

hurry up with the friggin orders already...

Even though I want mine badly also, I want Apple to take their time.

There are a lot of technical changes in the 2.5Ghz, and whenever Apple rushes things, the results are poor.

For the 6 grand I just spent, I will gladly wait to have the dream machine which will last me for the next few years.

[nubero]

I hope they get firewire working sometime noe. has anyone else tried to connect a 1st gen iPod and an iSight at the same time?

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[oliverlubin]

quoted from this thread:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42288&perpage=40&pagenumber=8

From MacOSX 10.3.4's /System/Library/Extensions/AppleMacRISC4PE.kext/Contents/Info.plist
<key>PowerMac7,2</key>
<string>PowerMac7_2_PlatformPlugin</string>
<key>PowerMac7,3</key>
<string>PowerMac7_2_PlatformPlugin</string>
<key>PowerMac8,1</key>
<string>SMU_Neo2_PlatformPlugin</string>
<key>RackMac3,1</key>
<string>RackMac3_1_PlatformPlugin</string>

PowerMac7,2 is current PowerMac G5.
We haven't seen PowerMac7,3.
RackMac3,1 is Xserve.

What the *** is PowerMac8,1???

========================

So has anyone figure out yet what the code is for the gen2 G5? Is it PowerMac7,3 or PowerMac8,1? Anyone want to bite?

[m.r.m.]

23GB in your home folder!?! I guess you're making heavy use of that Movies folder.

Well if the turnover in your homefolder is high (ie. you work on several large DV files in between each iPod sync), then even a 40GB iPod won't be too helpful. Firewire is pretty fast, but syncing 5-10GB every time you dock your iPod? That would be way too cumbersome.

yeah that makes sense. my movie folder is used quite a bit. :cool: :D

[spankalee]

This all sounds familliar. This sounds like Apple are turining into Microsoft, with their buy copy and (in Apple's Case, Try to) shut them down.

Jesus, it was a JOKE. Doesn't anyone here have a sense of humor?

In other news, it's recently been discovered that Apple is using illegal and strong-arm tactics to ensure that Macintosh manufacturers only ship computers with Mac OS X 10.3 pre-installed. It's also rumored that Apple will force the Macintoshes to ship with Mac OS X 10.4 once it's released. OS 9 holdouts ("Squares") and 10.0 enthusiasts ("Rounders") are up in arms about the lack of choice and Apple's abuse of their market position. Apple is being investigated by the DOJ for anti-competitive practices.

[Rocketman]

in protools use the 10.3.4 version has been the most significant upgrade ever - together with protools 6.4 that combination makes the most responsive protools environment on osx so far. one could claim that protools is now as fast in osx than it ever was in pre-osx era.

About 50%+ of the installed base uses OS9 (or before). Are you saying OSX is finally as responsive as OS9? On Macs where the option exists of course :)

Rocketman

[dizastor]

It's also rumored that Apple will force the Macintoshes to ship with Mac OS X 10.4 once it's released.

I for one am outraged by this news.

[johnnowak]

Jesus, it was a JOKE. Doesn't anyone here have a sense of humor?

Why do you think I hardly ever post here? It's embarrassing to have your name next to these posts. :rolleyes:

[Tenniru]

If 10.3.5 dosen't fix 10.3.4's bug that disables the internal mic on the 500mhz iBook, I am going to flip out. Well, at least be angry until I get my 12" Powerbook next month. I WANT MY MIC BACK!

[rendezvouscp]

Jesus, it was a JOKE. Doesn't anyone here have a sense of humor?

In other news, it's recently been discovered that Apple is using illegal and strong-arm tactics to ensure that Macintosh manufacturers only ship computers with Mac OS X 10.3 pre-installed. It's also rumored that Apple will force the Macintoshes to ship with Mac OS X 10.4 once it's released. OS 9 holdouts ("Squares") and 10.0 enthusiasts ("Rounders") are up in arms about the lack of choice and Apple's abuse of their market position. Apple is being investigated by the DOJ for anti-competitive practices.

What the hell are they doing that for? Have they gone completely insane? I mean, I thought .Mac was awful. They should be submitted to the BBB with a complaint. ;)
–Chase

[The Red Wolf]

Okay, I was at the WWDC in San Francisco. After finding my peripheral vision could not take in 60" worth of display sitting next to a G5 (at the normal distance you would view a display while at a machine), I decided to check out the OS info. 10.3.5 Those gathered were impressed. As it was running on the dual 2.5 and this thread is about the dual 2.5... 10.3.5 is and update for the hardware gunning the cooling system and all the nVidia drivers for the huge 6800 card to power twin 30" displays. I'm sure there will be standard bug and security fixes but those are the two main points. A year ago the G5's were shipping with 10.2.7 for software to drive the fans. When the update came out for the rest of us it was 10.2.8. I think most likely we'll see a 10.3.6. But it could be 10.3.5. I wouldn't expect a colossal Siberian Tiger version of Panther. "White of course. Not orange. Orange is much more powerful and cool you see, that's why we're saving orange for Tiger."

[dongmin]

So has anyone figure out yet what the code is for the gen2 G5? Is it PowerMac7,3 or PowerMac8,1? Anyone want to bite?Wasn't this settled? The odd numbers denote power macs and the evens consumer desktops, i.e. iMacs and eMacs. The 8,1 should signal a completely new G5 iMac due in September (and presumably originally due this month) or something else completely new, perhaps the G5 Cube or G5 headless blah blah.

[MikeTheC]

Hmm... Well, I wonder myself what else may be in there.

BTW, unrelated to this topic, I am having some problems of late on my iMac with WiFi networking. Obviously this isn't the place to discuss this or sort out any details.

The issue, briefly, is that I cannot connect or browse wirelessly, this is a brand-new problem never encountered before, I have no explanation as to what might have caused it, when I boot up the Airport indicator shows a connection and signal strength but I cannot go anywhere and have a self-assigned I.P., and when I try to connect it refuses, telling me an error occurred.

Is there anyone here knowledgable in such things who could email me about this with ideas?

Thanks in advance!

Mike

***WE NOW RETURN YOU TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED FORUM DISCUSSION***

[Sabbath]

The adding fo support for the liquid cooling is a given for a new release similar to 10.2.7 but I wonder what we will see in this new version to make it the most significant since release. I think these reports probably also clarify why these G5s took so long to get out despite the new powermac number being in since 10.3.3, it seems they weren't going to use the liquid cooling system but were forced into it.

We haven't really seen much added to Panther since release, mainly just bug fixes and speed ups, so it wouldn't take too much to make it the most significant update. I guess I would hope for the safari update which we have also seen seeded to developers recently and maybe if there is more beyond this a little added functionality to expose and support for some new as yet unreleased product :D

[recursivejon]

I use Konfabulator, and I really love it, but I think it needs to have ore International support. The only Australian widget i seem to be able to use is the weather. Stock tracker won't work outside the USA.

If you want some so bady, you could probably mod some existing widgets and make some Australia-specific.

I guess the Konfabulator vs. Dashbord comes down to how easily one can make their own custom widgets.

[GFLPraxis]

I bet that they originally planned for an iMac G5 at WWDC, and that was one of the additions in 10.3.5, support for a new iMac model. Then they ran into trouble and had to delay it, thus the notice on the Apple Store.

Just my two cents.

[må¥å]

Anyone here know anything about the "IBM Cell Processor"

Off topic I know

[MCCFR]

If you want some so bady, you could probably mod some existing widgets and make some Australia-specific.

I guess the Konfabulator vs. Dashbord comes down to how easily one can make their own custom widgets.

And let's be clear on this, whilst Konfabulator - of which I'm actually very fond - is limited to the program's own Javascript-based language and its potential to call external scripts, Dashboard is essentially a mini webpage capable of leveraging Java, Flash, Director, QuickTime and loads more beside.

Whilst I can see disasterous and potentially aesthetically offensive gadgets being delivered in Dashboard, its broader functionality will undoubtedly spur a new wave of development driven by the New Media mafia rather than traditional systems types.

[Parikh1234]

Right now, all I need is support for my new Motorola v600 phone. I can connect and use 3rd party apps, but NOTHING of Apple's works with it as far as I can tell - BT file exchange, iSync, AB, nothing....

c'mon 10.3.5 *crosses fingers*

yeah i hear you. I want to use isync and stuff with my v600 but i cant. Its annoying that i have to use my crappy dell to do stuff with it. Maybe motorola should release a mobile phone tools for mac.

[GFLPraxis]

Okay, I was at the WWDC in San Francisco. After finding my peripheral vision could not take in 60" worth of display sitting next to a G5 (at the normal distance you would view a display while at a machine), I decided to check out the OS info. 10.3.5 Those gathered were impressed. As it was running on the dual 2.5 and this thread is about the dual 2.5... 10.3.5 is and update for the hardware gunning the cooling system and all the nVidia drivers for the huge 6800 card to power twin 30" displays. I'm sure there will be standard bug and security fixes but those are the two main points. A year ago the G5's were shipping with 10.2.7 for software to drive the fans.

If I recall, 10.2.7's main use was 64-bit extensions for the G5.

Another possibility. If you look at "Tiger Theater" on Apple's Tiger Preview page, on the one about Spotlight in the Preferences panel...you'll notice a new section, titled "Processor" at the very bottom underneath all the other stuff like Keyboard, Desktop Picture, etc. If this processor tab is also in 10.3.5... Perhaps 10.3.5 allows the user to control the water cooling or scale the processor speeds?

[blackcrayon]

If I recall, 10.2.7's main use was 64-bit extensions for the G5.

Another possibility. If you look at "Tiger Theater" on Apple's Tiger Preview page, on the one about Spotlight in the Preferences panel...you'll notice a new section, titled "Processor" at the very bottom underneath all the other stuff like Keyboard, Desktop Picture, etc. If this processor tab is also in 10.3.5... Perhaps 10.3.5 allows the user to control the water cooling or scale the processor speeds?

We already have that System Preference. You have to install the CHUD tools to get it. Lots of G5 owners have installed it so they can turn off Nap Mode to get the power supply and/or the audio outs to stop screaming wildly ;)

[Blue Velvet]

Whatever this release does...

Please, please... get it right. (kneels & prays)

We've got 3 of these machines ordered and they will be our main production workstations from day 1...

Don't want any probs at all!
(whoops, that's probably tempting the furies)

Clutching my rabbits foot, crossing fingers and wearing my lucky top...

[wdlove]

Whatever this release does...

Please, please... get it right. (kneels & prays)

We've got 3 of these machines ordered and they will be our main production workstations from day 1...

Don't want any probs at all!
(whoops, that's probably tempting the furies)

Clutching my rabbits foot, crossing fingers and wearing my lucky top...

I'm very confident that the 2.5 will really wow us on bootup and beyond. They just needed an additional month to make it even better.

[BWhaler]

I'm very confident that the 2.5 will really wow us on bootup and beyond. They just needed an additional month to make it even better.

I love your optimism, and I really hope you are right. This purchase is my last big one for some time, so I hope I am not disappointed.

[killmoms]

I thought PowerMac8,1 was already determined to be the next iMac. Didn't someone outline the model names and their correlation to the actual models in another thread? My memory's fuzzy, but IIRC, the odd numbered ones (PowerMac1 3 5 and 7,whatever) were PowerMac towers, whereas the even numbered ones (PowerMac2 4 6 and now 8,whatever) are the iMacs/eMacs. But I could easily be wrong about that.

However, PowerMac8,1 is the new iMac.

--Cless

[coumerelli]

i want to get the v600. i have the c331, and it's great but i'm being strong armed by cingular to get a new phone. so im switching to verizon! anyway, i hope 10.3.5 also brings new versions of ical, address book, and especially isync.

ps. coumerelli, is the v600 a good phone? :)

I LOVE the v600. It's a relatively new phone so I'm sure that the next time apple makes drivers/updates available, it'll be in there. I just hope it's soon. I had the t608 from sprint and LOVED the BT stuff. So cool. Changed to ATT wireless. Great stuff

re: konfab vs. dashboard...I bought konfab and use it everyday. Great stuff there too. I just hope that Apple had made dashboard into will give developers something great to work with. I'm pretty stoked that it's gonna support flash et al. Super Cool!

[Invizzible]

Early in this thread someone mentioned how well Pro Tools 6.4 runs under 10.3.4. Anyone know if it still prevents you from manually putting your computer into sleep mode? That was such a hassle for me, since I always leave my powermac in sleep mode when I'm not using it. I ended up having to install the OS on my second hard drive, and install Pro Tools on that drive too, so that when I'm not using Pro Tools I can boot to my first drive and use sleep mode. Typical Digidesign kludge. I hope it's been eradicated.

[Snowy_River]

23GB in your home folder!?! I guess you're making heavy use of that Movies folder.

Well if the turnover in your homefolder is high (ie. you work on several large DV files in between each iPod sync), then even a 40GB iPod won't be too helpful. Firewire is pretty fast, but syncing 5-10GB every time you dock your iPod? That would be way too cumbersome.

I have a 19GB home folder. 10GB of that is music. The other 9GB is mostly photos, CAD files, and other graphics files.

[oliverlubin]

I thought PowerMac8,1 was already determined to be the next iMac. Didn't someone outline the model names and their correlation to the actual models in another thread? My memory's fuzzy, but IIRC, the odd numbered ones (PowerMac1 3 5 and 7,whatever) were PowerMac towers, whereas the even numbered ones (PowerMac2 4 6 and now 8,whatever) are the iMacs/eMacs. But I could easily be wrong about that.

However, PowerMac8,1 is the new iMac.

--Cless

granted, i just was wondering if someone could confirm the gen2 G5 is in fact the PowerMac7,3...

[MikeTheC]

Whatever this release does...

Please, please... get it right. (kneels & prays)

We've got 3 of these machines ordered and they will be our main production workstations from day 1...

Don't want any probs at all!
(whoops, that's probably tempting the furies)

Clutching my rabbits foot, crossing fingers and wearing my lucky top...

Uh oh, dude, that's not enough. Here's a sure-fire ritual that will appease the angry wroth of the Mac gods you have annoyed with your childish, pedantic whining:

You need to sing the Star Spangled Banner as a Gregorian Chant in Irish Gaelic while walking around the outside of your office -- backwards -- three times on one foot while wearing shorts and a 3-layer parka which specifically has a Hawaiian shirt-style print on it. And, most importantly, you must do this on a Tuesday between the hours of 11:30 a.m. and 3:15 p.m. However, you can't start on an odd-numbered minute unless you start in the bottom half of the hour, but then you have to finish on an even-numbered second. :eek:

I hope that clears the matter up for you. BTW, I really do feel sorry for someone in your precarious predicament. :cool:

[G5support.com]

Whatever this release does...

Please, please... get it right. (kneels & prays)

We've got 3 of these machines ordered and they will be our main production workstations from day 1...

Don't want any probs at all!
(whoops, that's probably tempting the furies)

Clutching my rabbits foot, crossing fingers and wearing my lucky top...

Well, one thing you won't have to worry about with your new liquid kewl G5 is freezes. They all come with anti-freeze!!

nyuck, nyuck, nyuck :D

[rendezvouscp]

Well, one thing you won't have to worry about with your new liquid kewl G5 is freezes. They all come with anti-freeze!!

nyuck, nyuck, nyuck :D

LMFAO. Thank you.
–Chase

[titaniumducky]

I have a 19GB home folder. 10GB of that is music. The other 9GB is mostly photos, CAD files, and other graphics files.

I doubt the music folder would need to be copied over again; all the music is already on the iPod. Now you're home folder is "only" 9GB. :D

[JFreak]

About 50%+ of the installed base uses OS9 (or before). Are you saying OSX is finally as responsive as OS9? On Macs where the option exists of course :)

i cannot give you a direct comparison because my system cannot be used in os9 side, but having compared responsiveness of other os9 protools systems and this system of mine, i would say this is on par. finally.

i can put the system to a +80% stress and it is still responsive. haven't tried to maxx it more because i mainly do live foh mixing and need to spare a little resources for the unexpected... i run protools in 44.1kHz sessions with 256 hardware buffer which means under 6ms latency, which means i am able to provide the band some monitor mixes, too.

i'm running os 10.3.4 and protools 6.4 using a 1.25GHz powerbook that has 1GB memory and a 7200rpm internal hard drive. the digi 002R interface is connected to internal firewire buss, and lacie fw400 drive is connected to external firewire buss (pcmcia card). the system drive has been partitioned for performance (first 15GB for system, the rest for user files).

[klaus]

I for one am outraged by this news.

Dude, didn't you get the sarcasm in that post you quoted??
Apple is the only hardware manufacturer that can run mac os X, so it's only logical they always ship the latest version on the new machines. It's not like you have to pay more for it. It would be rather silly to have a BTO option for a couple of os x versions.

So you don't have to be outraged ;)

[happo]

only makes sense for the 40gb ipod owners, right? my home folder is 23gb and i only have a 15gb ipod. you'd need a large ipod for this to make sense, right?
My home folder is over 120GB, I probably have to wait for 6G iPod or something... Wouldn't it make sense to implement this feature for all Firewire HD's? :rolleyes:

[MikeTheC]

My home folder is over 120GB, I probably have to wait for 6G iPod or something... Wouldn't it make sense to implement this feature for all Firewire HD's? :rolleyes:

Ah, so you're the guy who set the record a while back with over $25K in iTunes sales. :eek:

[Blue Velvet]

Uh oh, dude, that's not enough. Here's a sure-fire ritual that will appease the angry wroth of the Mac gods you have annoyed with your childish, pedantic whining:

You need to sing the Star Spangled Banner as a Gregorian Chant in Irish Gaelic while walking around the outside of your office -- backwards -- three times on one foot while wearing shorts and a 3-layer parka which specifically has a Hawaiian shirt-style print on it. And, most importantly, you must do this on a Tuesday between the hours of 11:30 a.m. and 3:15 p.m. However, you can't start on an odd-numbered minute unless you start in the bottom half of the hour, but then you have to finish on an even-numbered second. :eek:

I hope that clears the matter up for you. BTW, I really do feel sorry for someone in your precarious predicament. :cool:

Oh, don't be like that... I was just trying to make a light-hearted point about relying on a new release for production purposes.

Maybe it sounded like whining to you but I've go to make sure that our magazine and a number of publications go to press according to schedule. I don't need any last-minute incompatibilites between 10.3.5 & Xpress/Adobe CS/Suitcase to solve...

I wouldn't mind if it was a home machine but I'd rather these new G5s ran on 10.3.3 (I understand why they don't). At least that's a known quantity and well-tested on our current set-up (although it's introduced small probs with Pshop and odd artifacts -- nothing major.)

Just remember the reported hassles with 10.2.7?
Wasn't that pulled at the last minute?

[rendezvouscp]

Dude, didn't you get the sarcasm in that post you quoted??
Apple is the only hardware manufacturer that can run mac os X, so it's only logical they always ship the latest version on the new machines. It's not like you have to pay more for it. It would be rather silly to have a BTO option for a couple of os x versions.

So you don't have to be outraged ;)

Oh, don't be like that... I was just trying to make a light-hearted point about relying on a new release for production purposes.

Maybe it sounded like whining to you but I've go to make sure that our magazine and a number of publications go to press according to schedule. I don't need any last-minute incompatibilites between 10.3.5 & Xpress/Adobe CS/Suitcase to solve...

I wouldn't mind if it was a home machine but I'd rather these new G5s ran on 10.3.3 (I understand why they don't). At least that's a known quantity and well-tested on our current set-up (although it's introduced small probs with Pshop and odd artifacts -- nothing major.)

Just remember the reported hassles with 10.2.7?
Wasn't that pulled at the last minute?

You guys, lighten up!!! The posters were only joking, even I joined in. It's really funny, I got a good laugh out of that "dance." No one was actually outraged, and I don't think he was directly saying that you were whining. You were whining compared to the needed dance, but not really in real life.
–Chase

[rendezvouscp]

Just remember the reported hassles with 10.2.7?
Wasn't that pulled at the last minute?

Actually, 10.2.8 was pulled because of the problems they were having. 10.2.7 was a very nice copy (I ran it myself :D).
–Chase

[DaveClarkOne]

Well, I liked Konfab., but it took my F8 key I need in Excel, which is a critical app for me. I wasn't able to remap the F8 key to something else. So Konfab.....OUT!


QUOTE=stoid]10.3.5 has a tiny little hack that keeps Konfabulator from running! BWAHAHA!!![/QUOTE]

[The Red Wolf]

If I recall, 10.2.7's main use was 64-bit extensions for the G5.

Perhaps 10.3.5 allows the user to control the water cooling or scale the processor speeds?

That would be really cool. But it may just be a way to monitor CPU die temperature? We'll find out soon. 10.3.5 has been seeded.

[spankalee]

Dude, didn't you get the sarcasm in that post you quoted??
Apple is the only hardware manufacturer that can run mac os X, so it's only logical they always ship the latest version on the new machines. It's not like you have to pay more for it. It would be rather silly to have a BTO option for a couple of os x versions.

So you don't have to be outraged ;)

Man, it's getting too hard to figure out who's kidding now. I know the "outraged" guy was joking, and I think you might be, but I'm not sure. Really, three levels of nested sarcasm is too much for my brain to handle, especially when it's subtle sarcasm.

So, in the future (or at least while we all get up to speed on the finer points of written humor) will everyone please lay your sarcasm on as thick as possible? Drawing a ridiculous conclusion from and article or post can be fun, but make sure to throw in some really impossible claim, like "I heard 10.3.5 eats children" or "With the release of 10.3.5 I see Apple getting more than 3% market-share soon"

That'll help a lot. Thanks. :cool:

ps. I've been told that smilies help, but I can never figure out what they mean. :confused: :o

[akac]

I hope they get firewire working sometime noe. has anyone else tried to connect a 1st gen iPod and an iSight at the same time?

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That's not a software issue. Its hardware. The iSight just uses up too much power. Apple needs to redesign the iSight or have it shut off if not in actual use (firmware fix).

From my experience and the illumination of the above bit of info recently...almost every Firewire issue I've personally had or worked with business/family on has been caused by this.

[mike412]

READ MY LIPS: NO NEW FEATURES. Sheesh will you Home-on-iPod people SHUT UP!

Gee...Sorry lol

[wdlove]

We have seemed to get off the topic. I'm interested in thoughts on the G5 cooling system and Mac OS X 10.3.5.

[gossas]

10.3.5 will look like this

10.3.5


and it will feel like

Fur

:D