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zimv20
Jul 9, 2004, 12:17 AM
link (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=1&u=/ap/20040709/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_insurgency)


BAGHDAD, Iraq - The Iraq (news - web sites) insurgency is far larger than the 5,000 guerrillas previously thought to be at its core, U.S. military officials say, and it's being led by well-armed Iraqi Sunnis angry at being pushed from power alongside Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).

Although U.S. military analysts disagree over the exact size, dozens of regional cells, often led by tribal sheiks and inspired by Sunni Muslim imams, can call upon part-time fighters to boost forces to as high as 20,000 — an estimate reflected in the insurgency's continued strength after U.S. forces killed as many as 4,000 in April alone.

And some insurgents are highly specialized — one Baghdad cell, for instance, has two leaders, one assassin, and two groups of bomb-makers.

The developing intelligence picture of the insurgency contrasts with the commonly stated view in the Bush administration that the fighting is fueled by foreign warriors intent on creating an Islamic state.

"We're not at the forefront of a jihadist war here," said a U.S. military official in Baghdad, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The official and others told The Associated Press the guerrillas have enough popular support among nationalist Iraqis angered by the presence of U.S. troops that they cannot be militarily defeated.

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3rdpath
Jul 9, 2004, 10:54 AM
from the article:

The official and others told The Associated Press the guerrillas have enough popular support among nationalist Iraqis angered by the presence of U.S. troops that they cannot be militarily defeated.

can anyone else say "QUAGMIRE"?

time to dig out a little woodstock protest music:

"and it's 1,2,3 what are we fightin for?
don't ask me, i don't give a damn,
next stop it's vietnam"...

Sayhey
Jul 9, 2004, 11:34 AM
from the article:

The official and others told The Associated Press the guerrillas have enough popular support among nationalist Iraqis angered by the presence of U.S. troops that they cannot be militarily defeated.

can anyone else say "QUAGMIRE"?

time to dig out a little woodstock protest music:

"and it's 1,2,3 what are we fightin for?
don't ask me, i don't give a damn,
next stop it's vietnam"...

Damn, I sooo wanted to provide a link to iTunes, but they don't have any of Country Joe's music! Give me an "F" ... Give me a "U".... :D

blackfox
Jul 9, 2004, 04:26 PM
I seriously wonder how this affects any attempts at Iraqi self-governance. Reading the paper over the past few days, I have read of Alawi's passing of martial-law authority, and of the situation in Falluja, where most agree there is a center of "terrorists/insurgents", who are unreachable, because for US forces to attack them would inevitably kill many civilians in the city, further alienating US forces from the populace and invoking more sympathy for the insurgents.

In some parts, it seems like any governance is impossible (Falluja), and even if there is to be governance, it may have to be with a big stick...since Iraqi forces are unwilling or unable to be this "big stick" at this time, you could see a situation where martial-law is declared, enforced by US troops. This seems as it would only further discredit Allawi and the government, who may hold the reigns tighter and make elections impossible.

So you may find Iraq with a new dictator, with OUR troops as his enforcers, as the other option would be total chaos...pretty sad...

3rdpath
Jul 10, 2004, 10:28 AM
...and of the situation in Falluja, where most agree there is a center of "terrorists/insurgents", who are unreachable, because for US forces to attack them would inevitably kill many civilians in the city...

i agree with you and will take it one step further...

like vietnam, we cannot distinguish between the insurgents and the civilians because they are, at their choice of time and place, one and the same.

skunk
Jul 10, 2004, 10:29 AM
i agree with you and will take it one step further...

like vietnam, we cannot distinguish between the insurgents and the civilians because they are, at their choice of time and place, one and the same.
Precisely.

pseudobrit
Jul 10, 2004, 11:08 AM
i agree with you and will take it one step further...

like vietnam, we cannot distinguish between the insurgents and the civilians because they are, at their choice of time and place, one and the same.

The only way to defeat such an enemy is to kill everyone.

blackfox
Jul 10, 2004, 04:19 PM
The only way to defeat such an enemy is to kill everyone.
A US commander in the region (of Falluja) has stated exactly that...