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Dow Jones Newswires reports that the Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB) has given final approval to a change in accounting regulations that will allow Apple to recognize more of its iPhone and Apple TV revenue at the time of sale.
The change okayed by the Financial Accounting Standards Board helps companies that sell goods and services in bundles - like smart phones and other high-tech devices combining hardware and software, or home appliances that come with installation and service contracts.

Under current accounting rules, companies must often defer large portions of their revenue from such sales - recognizing them gradually over time, instead of immediately when the sale is made. The rule change would give companies more flexibility in crediting more of that revenue to their results upfront.
Apple has employed subscription-based accounting for its iPhone and Apple TV segments, which allows the company to provide free software updates over the two-year period considered to be the lifespan of the devices for such purposes. Apple does not use subscription-based accounting for its iPod line, a move which has required the company to charge users nominal fees for operating system updates on the iPod touch.
Apple Inc. (AAPL) is expected to be one of the major beneficiaries of the change, since it would dramatically change how the company reports revenues from its iPhone. Currently, Apple recognizes iPhone revenue over a two-year period, and said recently that overall revenues and earnings in its latest quarter would have been much higher if it didn't have to defer revenues for the iPhone and its Apple TV product. An Apple spokesman couldn't immediately be reached for comment.
While the change does not affect Apple's cash flow, it will allow the company to more accurately reflect its revenue in its quarterly financial statements. Preliminary approval of the accounting rule change had been given by a task force of the FASB early last week.

Article Link: Standards Board Approves Changes to Subscription Revenue Accounting
 

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I'm noticing Apple's stock is getting a bit of a bump out of this news today (up almost 2% now), which is kind of weird since this only affects how Apple reports their bottom line; it doesn't actually change how much they're bringing in. They had been reporting both "GAAP" and "non-GAAP" numbers for a while now.
 

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Why is appleTV considered subscription based? I have never used one, but isn't it basically a cross between a giant iPod and a (Front-Row-only-ish) Mac? I don't see how the subscription model works there.

I do, of course, see how it works with the iPhone (although I didn't think Apple got much, if any, anymore of AT&T's fees)--but hopefully this doesn't mean they'll start charging for iPhone updates, too. :D
 

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If they start charging for iPhone updates, then they better make some really DRASTIC changes/improvements with each one. 2.0 was big for the App Store functionality alone, but 3.0 simply brought changes that should have been there with 1.0.
 

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If they start charging for iPhone updates, then they better make some really DRASTIC changes/improvements with each one. 2.0 was big for the App Store functionality alone, but 3.0 simply brought changes that should have been there with 1.0.

I don't think that will happen, as this says they can report more of their sales upfront (not [necessarily?] all).

Of course, I only have an iPod touch, so we have to pay anyway. :D
 

megatronbomb

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a move which has required the company to charge users nominal fees for operating system updates on the iPod touch.

Nominal?! Some of the updates have been pretty expensive!! Wasn't the one that added apps $20?
 

macfan881

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could some one explain this in Simple english? lol

does this mean Cheaper or Free iPod updates? or iPhone updates now have to pay a update fee?
 

iOrlando

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could some one explain this in Simple english? lol

does this mean Cheaper or Free iPod updates? or iPhone updates now have to pay a update fee?

for the average joe...this change has 0 impact. whatever something cost before will cost the same now.
 

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I'm noticing Apple's stock is getting a bit of a bump out of this news today (up almost 2% now), which is kind of weird since this only affects how Apple reports their bottom line; it doesn't actually change how much they're bringing in. They had been reporting both "GAAP" and "non-GAAP" numbers for a while now.

It doesn't look like the bump is from this specifically...most of the bump happened in the first 20 minutes of trading, which is before the change was approved. Of course, many people knew it was coming.

But tech in general is up today...Intel, RIMM, Dell, Microsoft a bit, etc, some of which will also benefit from the rule change, but it may just be a general sector bump.
 

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Why is appleTV considered subscription based? I have never used one, but isn't it basically a cross between a giant iPod and a (Front-Row-only-ish) Mac? I don't see how the subscription model works there.

I do, of course, see how it works with the iPhone (although I didn't think Apple got much, if any, anymore of AT&T's fees)--but hopefully this doesn't mean they'll start charging for iPhone updates, too. :D
The subscription model is for the revenue accounting, not for the product or business operation itself. AT&T's fees have nothing to do with Apple using a subscription model for revenue accounting on its iPhone sales. It's not the customer subscribing to anything; it's the manufacturer.

Simplistically, when you sell a device, you typically recognize the revenue at delivery. You sell Product A at $100; your balance sheet shows $100 income. Now if you then distribute something that changes the parameters of Product A, that has specific costs--but you have no additional revenue to compensate, so you appear to lose money in that later earning period; you may also fall foul of a complicated set of legal and financial rules for companies selling products.

To remedy that, you can recognize your revenue from that sale over time. By doing so for affected products, you can ship updates without charging customers, without appearing to lose money, and without violating applicable laws and regulations. You're selling Product A at $100, but instead of recognizing all that revenue today, you stretch it out over four quarters at $25/quarter. You can then offer planned major upgrades/functionality changes/feature revisions to hardware. Sounds good so far, right? The problem with this approach, though, is that it looks like you only made $25 today, even though you're holding $100 in your hand--that remaining $75 is an outstanding liability for the next three quarters.

What was just approved was a way to stretch out only a small portion of the revenue over time. Basically, you can now sell product A for the same $100 as you've been doing all along, but now you can specify that you're recognizing $85 today and deferring just $15 over the next three quarters for planned upgrades. You get to recognize more money today, and your deferred liabilities are much lower. This is a hybrid of the two previous methods that offers better results than either of the old alternatives.
 

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a move which has required the company to charge users nominal fees for operating system updates on the iPod touch.

Nominal?! Some of the updates have been pretty expensive!! Wasn't the one that added apps $20?

That was just one update. I'm guessing Apple learned after that, for pretty much every update following was $9.95. (except 3.1 at $4.95)

But yes, I'd say the $20 was overpriced.
 

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What was just approved was a way to stretch out only a small portion of the revenue over time....You get to recognize more money today, and your deferred liabilities are much lower.

Excellent summary.

And it allows Apple to continue to offer iPhone and :apple:tv OS updates to users free of charge.

As iPod Touch accounting continues the way it has, those owners will still likely be required to pay a fee for their OS updates.
 

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Excellent summary.
Thank you.
As iPod Touch accounting continues the way it has, those owners will still likely be required to pay a fee for their OS updates.
Right, though it would also be accurate to say that before this practice was approved by FASB, it likely did not make financial sense to put the iPod touch on a subscription accounting.

Now that they can reserve, say $10 of each touch sale instead of the entire $199 or whatever one costs these days, it opens the door for the possibility of free updates for future iPod touch buyers. Whether there are other complications with that plan or whether Apple will do it, of course, only Apple knows.
 

electronboy

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What a pile of rubbish!

"Apple ... required ... to charge users nominal fees for operating system updates on the iPod touch."

News Flash: MacRumors is now controlled and by Steve Job's reality distortion field! Anyone who believes this nonsense is equally under the influence of a reality distortion field.

Product manufacturer's are able to add features for any product at any time for any price they set, including ZERO!
 

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+1 for electronboy's comment.

No company is required to charge for a software update. If Apple had wanted to give free software updates to iPod users, they could have easily done so. Financial accounting rules? Hogwash!
 

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"Apple ... required ... to charge users nominal fees for operating system updates on the iPod touch."

News Flash: MacRumors is now controlled and by Steve Job's reality distortion field! Anyone who believes this nonsense is equally under the influence of a reality distortion field.

Product manufacturer's are able to add features for any product at any time for any price they set, including ZERO!

+1 for electronboy's comment.

No company is required to charge for a software update. If Apple had wanted to give free software updates to iPod users, they could have easily done so. Financial accounting rules? Hogwash!

Statement of Position 97-2 of the Generally Accepted Accounting Principles covers revenue recognition for software products, and in cases where the software is not incidental to the hardware on which it is run, both the hardware and software have been subject to SOP 97-2, which specifies when revenue can be recorded.

The fact that the software updates to the iPod and iPhone deliver "significant" new functionality to the existing devices means that Apple has to account for that somewhere in its financials. Subscription-based accounting is one way in which this can be accomplished, allowing Apple to defer recognition of revenue to later dates as it does with the iPhone, recognizing revenue piecemeal over the period of time that it considers itself to be providing free updates.

A second method for dealing with the issue is to charge for the "added value" of the software updates, which is what Apple has chosen to do with the iPod.

Yes, companies can issue free software updates, but they have to use subscription-based accounting for it. electronboy, your selective quoting distorts the meaning of what was written in the article. As you say, Apple is not forced to charge for software updates for the iPod touch. But Apple's decision to not use subscription-based accounting for the iPod does in fact force them to charge for the updates, and that is what the article states.

There's a reason there was a whole host of companies lobbying for the change made today by the FASB...their desire to provide additional services beyond the initial product delivery has led them to have to either inconvenience users with fees or utilize accounting methods that do not accurately reflect their true cash flow and business activities.
 

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In Plain English

could some one explain this in Simple english? lol

does this mean Cheaper or Free iPod updates? or iPhone updates now have to pay a update fee?

The bottom line is that this probably does not mean either free updates for the iPod Touch, or paying for iPhone updates. However, this is might be a big win for Apple shareholders.

I'll try to explain this as simply as possible. Be warned that this is just my interpretation of accounting rules; I'm not an accountant. Don't base business decisions on anything I say. Also, this is gonna be long, because this stuff is pretty complex.

There are two major forms of accounting in use today: cash accounting and accrual accounting. Cash accounting is simple: you just count how much money (and property) you have. But anyone with a checkbook knows that your current balance doesn't always reflect how much money you actually have available. If you have $1000 in your checking account, and you write a check for $100, then you really only have $900 left to spend - even if the check hasn't been cashed yet.

Accrual accounting is used by most public companies, including Apple. Accrual accounting is how companies "balance their checkbooks", so that they can accurately report their financial condition.

Let's say that you go to an Apple Store and order a new MacBook on September 1st. But it's on back-order and won't get to you until October 15th. Apple will take your money now, but accrual accounting says that that money doesn't actually "count" - Apple can't include its profit from that sale in its financial documents, because the sale isn't complete yet. Apple can only record the profits from the sale when you get what you paid for. So even though Apple had your cash on September 1st, the accounting rules say that Apple can only record the sale on October 15th.

What would happen if Apple recorded the sale on the 1st? Well, Apple's checkbook wouldn't be balanced: Apple received your cash, but it still owes you a MacBook. The easiest way to deal with this is for Apple to record the sale as though it happened on October 15th, even though Apple had your cash on September 1st.

The idea here is to keep companies from inflating the amount of short-term profits they report. If we didn't have this rule, then companies could take money for products they haven't made yet, and inflate their (reported) profits in the short term.

Product manufacturer's are able to add features for any product at any time for any price they set, including ZERO!

Actually, that's not true - not any more.

Since the WorldCom and Enron scandals, some new (and quite strict) accounting rules were put in place for US companies. One of these rules says that, if you make substantial changes to a product after it ships, you can't record all of your profits at the time of the initial purchase - you have to record some of them when you change the product.

Again, the idea is to keep companies from inflating the amount of profits they report. Let's say that a car dealer sold you a car on September 30, but the car had no engine. The dealer said they would install the engine for you as a "free update" on October 1st. Now, should the dealer record the profits from the sale in their September numbers, or their October numbers?

Without this rule, the dealer could record all of the profits for the sale in their September numbers. But that's clearly wrong - the car won't work until it has an engine, so the dealer should have to record at least some of the profits in their October numbers, right?

Under the new rule, the only way the dealer can record all the profits in their September numbers is if they charge you for the engine when they deliver it to you in October. And they have to charge you more than, say, a penny or a dollar - they have to charge you a realistic amount.

If the dealer doesn't want to charge you for the engine, they can still record part of their profits in September, but they also have to record some of their profits in October, because they made a significant change to the product in October.


Now, back to Apple. Apple records every iPod sale - including every iPod Touch sale - as of the time that you receive the iPod. That means if you buy (and get) an iPod on September 1st, Apple records the profits for that sale as though the sale happened on September 1st.

For the 'normal' iPods, this works fine, because those devices don't change much over their lifetimes. But the iPhone and iPod Touch will change significantly over their lifetimes as Apple introduces new software updates. According to the accounting rules, iPhones and iPod Touches are treated like the car without the engine. So Apple has two options: either record part of their profits later, or charge for updates.

That may not make intuitive sense, but that's how Apple interprets the accounting rules - and it is a legitimate interpretation. Remember, accounting rules are designed to prevent fraud, not to make sense. :)

For the iPod Touch, Apple has chosen to record all of their profits when you receive the iPod, and charge a "reasonable price" for updates. For the iPhone, Apple has chosen to record their profits later - in most cases, a lot later - and provide updates for free.

For example, let's say that you buy an iPhone 3GS for $200. In order to comply with this accounting rule, Apple spreads that $200 out over 24 months, recording $8.33 each month.

Apple doesn't want to spread out the $200, but it's the only way to keep iPhone updates free. Why am I sure that Apple doesn't want to spread out the sale? Because it's not good for their stock price. Remember, this rule was designed to keep companies from recording profits too soon - but in the case of the iPhone, this rule works too well. Apple's "checkbook" has become unbalanced the other way - the company has made literally billions of dollars in iPhone sales that they can't take credit for yet.

The change to the accounting rule that has just been approved makes it so that companies like Apple don't have to spread out the sale evenly. For example, if you buy that iPhone for $200, under the new rule, Apple could record $150 of that sale right when you bought it (instead of only recording $8.33), and spread out the next $50 over two years - while still providing updates for free.

What that means is that each iPhone sale has a bigger impact on Apple's short-term financial reports. Specifically, the short-term financial reports will improve, probably by quite a lot. And since short-term financial reports are an important part of a company's stock price, there's a good chance that this change will cause a big up-swing in Apple's stock price once it starts to have an effect - probably in 3 to 6 months.

Note that this is not investment advice, financial advice, accounting advice, or any other sort of advice. This is the ramblings of a guy on the Intertubes who knows a bit about accounting. Don't use anything I've said here to make any sort of decision with your - or anyone else's - money!
 

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For example, let's say that you buy an iPhone 3GS for $200. In order to comply with this accounting rule, Apple spreads that $200 out over 24 months, recording $8.33 each month.


Good explanation. However, IIRC it's the full (roughly $600) price of the 3Gs, not the $200 subscriber's price, that's subjected to subscription accounting. Also, aapl probably was more than happy to use subscription accounting in the early days of the iPhone since it made it next to impossible for any analysts/competitors to figure out internal numbers relating to the iPhone AND offered income smoothing.
 
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