Images of Microsoft 'Pink' Phones Emerge

[MacRumors]

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http://images.macrumors.com/article/2009/09/23/232710-turtle_500.jpg

"Turtle"
Earlier this year, word surfaced (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/28/microsoft-to-launch-iphone-rival-on-verizon-early-next-year/) that Microsoft was in the process of developing its own smartphone, codenamed "Pink", for launch in 2010. The phone, which was claimed to be manufactured by a third-party company, has been seen as a possible iPhone rival running on Microsoft's Windows Mobile platform.

Gizmodo today published images (http://gizmodo.com/5366263/the-pink-phone-pictures-microsoft-doesnt-want-you-to-see-yet) of not one, but two phones developed under the "Pink" project, known as "Turtle" and "Pure", and notes that Microsoft's manufacturing partner is to be Sharp.These phones are going to be made by Sharp, who'll get to share branding with Microsoft. Sharp produced the Sidekick hardware for Danger, who was bought by Microsoft two years ago. Pink will be primarily aimed at the same market as the Sidekick, and the branding and identity for it is highly developed, pointing toward a later stage in the development cycle.

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2009/09/23/232711-pure_500.jpg

"Pure"
Gizmodo also points to a pair of reports from this past weekend claiming that the "Pink" phones will include Zune music and video services (http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4011) and an "App Store" (http://www.9to5mac.com/microsoft-sharp-danger-pink-sidekick-turtle-pure) similar to that employed by the Sidekick, placing the phones in direct competition with the iPhone's hardware-software feature set.

Article Link: Images of Microsoft 'Pink' Phones Emerge (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/23/images-of-microsoft-pink-phones-emerge/)

[kevinklinkmulle]

looks alot like palm pre. microsoft get your own **** together, instead of stealing others

[icrude]

great. it's a pre.

[JKP]

Ick. It's bad enough they make crappy looking software, now they need to make crappy looking phones?

[Mr. Gates]

Looks like a birth control pack.

[Hellium]

Since when did this site change from macrumors to pcrumors:confused:

[pismodude2]

This actually might be good. Expensive as all hell, but good.

[Melodic]

LOL looks like a chubby palm pre! Great job MS

[corrado7]

ugly as sin

[satcomer]

The tag line should be: "We are Microsoft. We copy others all the time."

[bug67]

Meh, I like the physical keys but, Windows mobile? HA!:o

I guess we know what Microsoft will be selling in their new retail stores now. :p

[pismodude2]

Since when did this site change from macrumors to pcrumors:confused:

These things are direct competitors with Apple products, and nobody competes like Microsoft. Being targeted by them is like being declared war on by the United States- you CAN'T ignore it.

[spillproof]

aww, the pre had a fat baby. Not really interested, but i do want to play with it.

[Samuriajackon]

Being targeted by them is like being declared war on by the United States- you CAN'T ignore it.

I'm in the Army and have been deployed to Iraq twice, if I ever take something called "PINK" to battle please just let me go.

[bondsbw]

So... the producer of WinMo, originally a partner with a large number of phone companies, is now becoming their direct competitor.

Looks like the reign of Microsoft as a mobile platform has just ended.

[ericinboston]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

yet ANOTHER post that has nothing to do with "mac rumors".

MacRumors is becoming another Record Town...RT stopped selling "records" in like 1987. MacRumors stopped posting rumors about Macs in 2007.

[completeidiot23]

the iphone already has a good 2 year head start, and its known for being one of tge best selling smart phones. i dont think this phone will cut into any of apples sales at all.

[synth3tik]

They can't call it "Turtle" that is my cat's name. My cat is sooo much cooler.

[phoenixFlyer]

Oh dear, looks like an egg slicer with a keypad...

[Andrew Henry]

I love how everyone always dismisses anything not Apple as negative, I for one think this is great, the iPhone needs some competition, I personally would like to see more features and such, without competition apple has no reason to step up their game and add innovative features, I welcome any and all newcomers to the market including Microsoft.

[kdarling]

Not everything has to be a slab to fit in a man's shirt pocket.

There are supposedly a fair number of female engineers working on stuff like this at Microsoft these days.

Perhaps the first one is supposed to be more usable by women, especially if they have nails. After the initial surprise at its looks, it seems pretty hand friendly to me.

[wackymacky]

gee, they don't really look exciting. The look like any other high end phone on the market.

Still compitition is good.

[simsandwhich]

You morons, read the article. Microsoft didn't design it. They aren't manufacturing it. They're re branding an OEM product, loading on their software and apparently plan on marketing it to teens.

They haven't themselves copied Palm. And they're not aiming for a high-price phone like the iPhone.

[bobertoq]

looks alot like palm pre. microsoft get your own **** together, instead of stealing othersDude, the MacBook looks like a lot of the other laptops out there! It has a keyboard, a screen, a trackpad and everything! Copied straight from Dell and Toshiba!!

Anyway, the turtle looks weird, I think the pure looks rather nice.

[suss2it]

Since when did this site change from macrumors to pcrumors:confused:

www.pcrumors.com

[windywoo]

A lot of posters really need to think a little bit before they post instead of writing the first negative comment that pops into their head. You give Mac users a bad name, and come across as eye-rolling, mouth frothing fanatics.

[MacFly123]

Next! :rolleyes:

But really... what is with that taken out dent for the headphone jack??? Obviously I understand the purpose, but can we say HIDEOUS??? :p

[Hellium]

These things are direct competitors with Apple products, and nobody competes like Microsoft. Being targeted by them is like being declared war on by the United States- you CAN'T ignore it.

I get the competition part but this isn't real yet! they should report on it when it comes out or it is confirms. If they are gona report on every small thing that ms does that somehow competes with apple, they should just change the name of the site

[dagamer34]

You morons, read the article. Microsoft didn't design it. They aren't manufacturing it. They're re branding an OEM product, loading on their software and apparently plan on marketing it to teens.

They haven't themselves copied Palm. And they're not aiming for a high-price phone like the iPhone.

Same thing happened with the first gen Zune: it was basically a rebranded Toshiba Gigabeat. My guess is while Microsoft is working on these products, it has others in R&D that will be more original designs.

And for the most part, companies copy from each other. To think that they wouldn't copy successful ideas is silly. It's not about doing a particular implementation first, but the best. And if it were really that important, it would be patented in some way (yay for the silly US Patent System!!!)

[Eminemdrdre00]

www.pcrumors.com

lol nice!

[jav6454]

That thing is very hideous.

[darthraige]

Hahahahahahahahaha! Look how stupid that thing looks. Can't get away from the cheap plastic slide crap huh?

[apfhex]

It seems like they have a very nice piece of hardware with the Zune HD, along with a unique looking interface and desktop software integration. Why not extend that to a Zune Phone, like the iPod Touch is to the iPhone? Open up the Zune Marketplace and boom. Seems really obvious. Could even be successful. So I wonder why they bother with these silly projects (but then, Apple DID try the Motorola ROKR iTunes thing).

[bbadalucco]

I normally get upset when people hate on Microsoft just because we like Apple. This phone looks terrible. I just don't understand why companies bother to come out with crap...it seems like a good product always has one thing that holds it back from being great, but in this case they shouldn't have even bothered (just by the looks of it).

[Divindude]

looks like it will sell a lot of ..... iPhones ... one word on the new pink: FAIL

[NXTMIKE]

microsoft FAIL.

I don't know who's going to file more patent infringement claims: Palm or Apple.

And it looks exactly like a Palm Pre.

[Number 41]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

yet ANOTHER post that has nothing to do with "mac rumors".

MacRumors is becoming another Record Town...RT stopped selling "records" in like 1987. MacRumors stopped posting rumors about Macs in 2007.

Complaining about iPhone related content on MacRumors is so 2008.

[Bubba Satori]

Since when did this site change from macrumors to pcrumors:confused:

Werd.

Maybe there'll be some Mac computer news before the end of the year. Or not. :rolleyes:

[miki66]

it's just not my cup of tea...

[creon]

The turtle looks the best out of the two.

Form is one thing and function is another.

But, then again the form is terrible and if it is running Windows its bound to fail in function.

Way to go MS! :D

[the vj]

[QUOTE=microsoft get your own **** together, instead of stealing others[/QUOTE]

I call that...

BALLMERISM

:rolleyes:

[bruinsrme]

Development code names usually don't make it to the retail counter, except for intel.

Whether or not the iphone has 2 or 10 years on any phone, it means the talent pool is larger to pick from.
I would bet there are some key developers of the iphone itching to express their talents to any company that is willing to not be less restrictive on the user interface and experieince.

[DMann]

It's a T-Mobile Sidekick Killer, folks!

[Undecided]

So what happened with all of Apple's patents on the iPhone interface? You know, from the original intro, "And boy have we patented it!"

[Thex1138]

One might mistake it for a stick of soap...
:rolleyes:

[Jimmy James]

At least it has a landscape keyboard, unlike the Pre.

I can still hear Steve Ballmer laughing about the cost of the iPhone. I wonder what this will retail for?

[Mr. Giver '94]

Looks like the Palm Pre and the TMobile MyTouch 3G had a retarded baby.:D

[enil8tr1]

I think we some more phone forms , they all look like iphones these days, or is that all form follows function.

[donlphi]

Well... there is always this great Microsoft innovation:
http://direct.msn.com/images/nr_home.jpg

Did anybody actually buy this? I know an MS employee that got one for free.

These new phones should be pretty sweet too. :rolleyes:

[anjinha]

Turtle??? Seriously??? :D

The other one looks okay.

[Thex1138]

Had enough of those pesky MS devices in Mac forums...?

[PBF]

Pure Microsoft design! Looks like one of 'em Star Trek gadgets. Bwahahaha!!

[Blueline29]

Oh dear, looks like an egg slicer with a keypad...

...or one of those things that scrapes the dead skin off your heels.

[Truesilver]

Yo Microsoft, I'm happy for you and I'm gonna let you finish, but Apple iPhone is the best smartphone OF ALL TIME!

[Mr. Giver '94]

...or one of those things that scrapes the dead skin off your heels.

The PD-Egg? :D

[dontwalkhand]

At least they seem to be copying someone else for a change, haha.

[a.gomez]

well they surprised me yesterday with that nice double screen notebook idea - but back to their usual "craptastic" looking stuff today - they just have no 1 design vision that all their products follow like Apple has - it is random

glad they have someone like sharp making it I guess... just plug an antenna on the zune HD and call it a day

[Xfujinon]

Sharp?

Of all the electronics I have owned, Sharp are the least reliable, hands down.

I forever associated "Sharp" with "Cheap, crappy, will fail, will annoy you".

Whoops.

[Rodimus Prime]

You morons, read the article. Microsoft didn't design it. They aren't manufacturing it. They're re branding an OEM product, loading on their software and apparently plan on marketing it to teens.

They haven't themselves copied Palm. And they're not aiming for a high-price phone like the iPhone.


I agree most people here are to blind to even bother reading it. They see Microsoft and think BASH.

From the article they are targeting teens. So Smart phone is rather out of the mix there for most. They need something cheaper and something good at texting. The Turtle looks a lot like the Motorola Karma which I hear is a good texting phone and I really only see teens with them. I personally hate it.

The other phone looks like a texting phone with a horizontal keyboard. Already quit a few of those on the market..

Microsoft is not going in to compete head to head with apple. That is well the dumb ass author who added that little bit in to get more buzz. False reporting ad we all know it.

[shaunymac]

Crap! I just entered another contract because I upgraded to the 3GS! SOB! Great timing MS. You would have had me. :D

[redkamel]

Im glad MS is stepping in the ring.

I actually REALLY like the new zune, and if it worked with a mac, I'd probably pick one up just for the OLED screen and change from my ipod. If the ipod wasn't so set, I honestly think the zune would give it a run. I never really liked the ipod interface too much, and its really boring.

I also like these new MS phones. They may not be snazzy, but if it has good basics (solid interface and build quality, good syncing with windows 7, and a low price) and I think its a contender. Personally I am getting bored of my iphone. It does the job, but its not customizable without hacking, and most of the "apps" are a waste of time. (as least for me)

This may read like a troll post but I SERIOUSLY like the stuff MS is doing. Not enough to switch back (I cant believe I even typed "switch back") , but definitely enough to consider getting windows back in my life. or at least, to stop feeling bad for people with PCs.

I feel like Apple is looking for a new direction...every new product they come out with is just "more features, more complex" whereas they used to be all about simplicity. I mean, a video camera ipod? The only thing I can think that would be good for is...uh..personal uses with SO's.

OT: I blew my grandpas mind with my iphone yesterday "it tells the time in London, Berlin, NY, anywhere...it has a calculator...it shows the weather...heres a map, with directions...it plays music...and movies..I can buy movie tickets, here are the showtimes....it goes on the internet...and it makes phone calls...and here is my schedule..."

[Anghammarad]

I love how everyone always dismisses anything not Apple as negative, I for one think this is great, the iPhone needs some competition, I personally would like to see more features and such, without competition apple has no reason to step up their game and add innovative features, I welcome any and all newcomers to the market including Microsoft.

I agree with you that competition is good for the consumer but isn't it stretching it a bit to say that Apple has no competition in the smartphonemarket as it is?

[cocky jeremy]

An ugly Pre and an ugly Sidekick. Good job, Microsoft. :rolleyes:

See a resemblance? lol.
http://images.macrumors.com/article/2009/09/23/232710-turtle_500.jpg
http://www.telebrands.com/images/products/PedEgg.jpg

[Andronicus]

It's an insult to real turtles everywhere.

[uaecasher]

I swear to got, I use safari and MR is on my top list so when I checked the site thumbnail from top list and I thought it's some kind of Plam Pre news and when I clicked it there it goes, MS has done it again....

[awulf]

There is a lot of good Windows Mobile hardware out there already like the stuff from HTC. Unless Microsoft starts making better Windows Mobile, this phone is gonna suck like all the other Windows Mobile phones.

[Pundle]

So what happened with all of Apple's patents on the iPhone interface? You know, from the original intro, "And boy have we patented it!"

This thing would hardly violate any of Apple's patents. That's most likely why there is a hard keyboard: either it has no soft keyboard, or the soft keyboard is so inadequate due to the lack of Apple's patented technology that it needs a hard keyboard to be usable.

As others have said, this won't affect iPhone's sales. It's possible it isn't even meant to compete with iPhone considering it looks so inadequate.

They may not be snazzy, but if it has good basics (solid interface and build quality, good syncing with windows 7, and a low price)
Those are big ifs. Solid interface from Microsoft is unlikely, going on past experience. Build quality from either Microsoft or Sharp is again questionable. Good syncing with Windows 7? Well you'd have to hope so, though I know the Windows Mobile sync through ActiveSync always used to be annoying. Low price? Possibly, since that is really the only leg Microsoft ever has to stand on when it comes to criticising Apple stuff. Yes, surprise surprise, better stuff costs more, crap stuff costs less. That's the way the world works.

[sharkinfested]

Every time some “iPhone Killer” hits the market it fails. I think manufacturers are missing the point – it’s not about the hardware, the SOFTWARE is the key!

Look at the history of the computer industry. Apple was once the dominate force in the industry. Then Bill Gates made his infamous deal with IBM which allowed the proliferation of “IBM compatible” computers by dozens of companies. Software developers started writing programs for IBM compatible computers because they now had a wider range of computers that could run them. Soon Apple’s software library was dwarfed by IBM compatible software titles. Consumers began buying IBM compatible computers simply because there were so many choices in software available. Microsoft took the lead and they’ve kept it for pretty much the same reason.

With the library of apps available to the iPhone it will be tough for any manufacturer to compete at this point. Apple learned their lesson well.

[iphones4evry1]

Gee... I wonder if it will also cost $70++++++ per month, like the iPhone. :rolleyes:

[DUSTmurph]

Just when i thought MS was getting better with the concept images of the booklet, they go and create the "turtle"......

[str1f3]

Funny.

Microsoft copies Pre. Palm copies iPhone. Apple truly originates with iPhone.

To me Palm has exactly what is coming to them. Good luck Microsoft with the fat Pre.

[Westside guy]

Competition benefits everyone - even iPhone owners. I just wish Microsoft was better at it...

As a side note, and FWIW, an acquaintance who works in the Windows Mobile division says most of them expect the OS to be EOLed in the next year or so. Supposedly none of them know what, if anything, is planned to supplant it - they think they're going to be cut loose.

[oTaRu]

actually M$ helps other companies get more profit... M$ is good... thanks for letting me having more reason to purchase palm pre...

[jdm111]

Since when did this site change from macrumors to pcrumors:confused:

www.pcrumors.com (http://www.pcrumors.com)

It always was

[MorphingDragon]

Sharp...

No thanks.

[Heijtink]

Haha turtle. Gee it Reminds me of... a slow paced animal. And the people that go: "why is this markt negative? Competition is good, right?". This is not competition. This is buying stocks at it's highest price knowing that it will only tumble. Just like the Zune and its brother ZuneHD. At this moment Microsoft is in a state that the more effort and energy they put in their company the more they will fail. By the way, did I already mention that the phones are ugly. I don't care whether m$ or sharp has desinged it. It doesn't make them less ugly.

[BongoBanger]

Dear god. I hope these remain as concepts.

Anyway, I suspect we will see a Zune Phone if they really are going down that route - which isn't certain - before too long. That should be interesting.

[jbrown]

With all this activity from MicroBore© - they should rename the company
Pre-Apple©.:rolleyes:

[Vanilla]

What with this and the tablet concept, Microsoft are clearly waking up. The slumbering, punch-drunk beast is stirring.
Vanilla

[Pika]

It's a sliced coconut ! :eek:

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg306/natalie2009_photos/coconut.jpg

[ProstheticHead]

Good thing these have a keyboard, as we know, keyboards make them very good business machines so you can e-mail. Phones without keyboards aren't very good business machines.

[anjinha]

Good thing these have a keyboard, as we know, keyboards make them very good business machines so you can e-mail. Phones without keyboards aren't very good business machines.

Are you serious? You don't even know what other features this has but the keyboards "make them very good business machines"?

And I can email on my iPhone just fine, actually better then I did on my Blackberry.

[inkling23]

Did anyone comment "fugly" yet? 'Cause they are. And cheap-looking, too.

[DUSTmurph]

Phones without keyboards aren't very good business machines.

I hope you are referring to virtual keyboards as well, because the iPhone doesn't have a physical keyboard and it is an excellent business machine.

[str1f3]

You morons, read the article. Microsoft didn't design it. They aren't manufacturing it. They're re branding an OEM product, loading on their software and apparently plan on marketing it to teens.

They haven't themselves copied Palm. And they're not aiming for a high-price phone like the iPhone.

It is you who are the moron. Everyone who has been following Project Pink for the past few months already knew that Microsoft has had a heavy influence and was working closely with the hardware manufacturer on this.

Yes they have copied Palm and their hardware and Palm copied much of their UI from Apple. Palm deserves everything they get.

[interestedabit]

First impressions:

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

[DMann]

First impressions:

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Second impressions:

[MorphingDragon]

Now can they do themselves a favor by releasing it outside america?

[4D4M]

Good thing these have a keyboard, as we know, keyboards make them very good business machines so you can e-mail. Phones without keyboards aren't very good business machines.

Really? I use my iPhone for business purposes all the time. It's the best business phone I've ever had.

[DMann]

Really? I use my iPhone for business purposes all the time. It's the best business phone I've ever had.Same here - the iPhone easily "out types" the Blackberry in terms of both speed and accuracy.

[MacMonster1985]

These things are direct competitors with Apple products, and nobody competes like Microsoft. Being targeted by them is like being declared war on by the United States- you CAN'T ignore it.

It's one thing to post about Microsoft when they actually release a product. It's another to post a rumor about MS. This place is more obsessed about MS than even the PC sites.

[Stingray454]

Even if Microsoft does make this into a good product (good hardware, usable interface and so on), I think they will have a REALLY hard time selling this because of their crappy marketing. I've worked 10-15 years with PC's (and currently do 8h/day at work), and about 1 year with mac / iPhone. Let's play a little "say the first thing that comes to mind"-game. In my mind I'm leaning towards something like this:

Microsoft products: ugly, slow, bully, (unnecessarily) complicated, annoying, bugs

Apple products: Designed, works, easy to use, fun, powerful

See where I'm going with this? Maybe Jobs brainwashed me too, but Apple does have a huge upper-hand in the marketing department. Even if microsoft make (/licence) a product that completely pwns the iPhone, with that starting point very few people with still buy it.

[MacMonster1985]

Even if Microsoft does make this into a good product (good hardware, usable interface and so on), I think they will have a REALLY hard time selling this because of their crappy marketing. I've worked 10-15 years with PC's (and currently do 8h/day at work), and about 1 year with mac / iPhone. Let's play a little "say the first thing that comes to mind"-game. In my mind I'm leaning towards something like this:

Microsoft products: ugly, slow, bully, (unnecessarily) complicated, annoying, bugs

Apple products: Designed, works, easy to use, fun, powerful

See where I'm going with this? Maybe Jobs brainwashed me too, but Apple does have a huge upper-hand in the marketing department. Even if microsoft make (/licence) a product that completely pwns the iPhone, with that starting point very few people with still buy it.

Their marketing on RROD 360 is working well considering that even with a 50% failure rate, higher total cost of ownership than PS3, people are still buying it.

[Micrll]

Yep the turtle is the motorola karma, and be nice to it, cause thats my phone. I got it about a month ago. Its very simple, but it handles texting well. My parents and I skipped the iPhone because I live on campus and we have fast wi-fi EVERYWHERE so it did not make sense to get a iPhone and the AT&T data plan. I just use my iPod touch 2g or my laptop to get online.
The karma is not a bad phone for texting and calling, but it does not do much else. The one thing I do like about it is that the OS is responsive, unlike a bunch of the other phones I looked at it always responds when you press the buttons on it. Wonder if Microsoft will break that.

[boomish]

Looks like a birth control pack.

hahahaha brilliant, man they really haven't got a clue eh,

I've been trying to get used to Windows 7 on my studio PC and what a pile of ***** that is, man it's not even a poor OSX rip off, talk about illogical just listing in a finder is weird, clicking on list by date modified means nothing you have to go to another hidden menu to get it to work.

[juanm]

If a cool codename like Longhorn ended up being the infamous Windows Vista, one wonders what a product codenamed Turtle will become...

[pmjoe]

They look pretty cool. The keyboards actually look usable. Sharp knows their mobile devices pretty well.

Unfortunately, they'll have to put a Microsoft OS on it at some point.

[DMann]

If a cool codename like Longhorn ended up being the infamous Windows Vista, one wonders what a product codenamed Turtle will become...Perhaps Longhorn would have retained its name, had it not been scrapped three quarters of the way through in 2003. It would eventually have been named BlackComb, which was to be Longhorn's successor, (also based on the Windows XP source code) before the entire project was canned, and renamed Vista. Turtle might as well keep its name - its cute, in a lumpy sort of way, may be a little slow, and has a curvy shell.

[BornAgainMac]

Are you serious? You don't even know what other features this has but the keyboards "make them very good business machines"?

And I can email on my iPhone just fine, actually better then I did on my Blackberry.

They were quoting Steve Ballmer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5oGaZIKYvo

[OutSpoken]

I love how everyone always dismisses anything not Apple as negative, I for one think this is great, the iPhone needs some competition, I personally would like to see more features and such, without competition apple has no reason to step up their game and add innovative features, I welcome any and all newcomers to the market including Microsoft.



Exactly.

When did Apple fans become so obnoxious?

[anjinha]

Exactly.

When did Apple fans become so obnoxious?

Why do you guys assume that the people who say they don't like only do because it's from Microsoft? There are people in this thread that like this and people who don't, just like in everything in life.

Maybe you guys are assuming that everyone that doesn't like it is a fanboy? Isn't that just as unfair?

[johnhw]

Turtle = Palm Pre wanna be
Palm Pre = iPhone wanna be

[KnightWRX]

Perhaps Longhorn would have retained its name, had it not been scrapped three quarters of the way through in 2003. It would eventually have been named BlackComb, which was to be Longhorn's successor, (also based on the Windows XP source code) before the entire project was canned, and renamed Vista.

No, it would not. Microsoft has never shipped Windows using its codename before and probably never will. We all remember Windows Chicago, Memphis, etc.. Blackcomb and Longhorn were just that, codenames.

And the project never was canned. Vista is still based on Windows XP (actually, the Windows NT family).

[fswmacguy]

When I saw the images, I thought "Oh, it's another article about the Palm Pre."

Unfortunately I was wrong. Did it ever occur to Microsoft that people might notice how their products look oddly similar to other 1-2 year old products?

[allmIne]

It seems like they have a very nice piece of hardware with the Zune HD, along with a unique looking interface and desktop software integration. Why not extend that to a Zune Phone, like the iPod Touch is to the iPhone? Open up the Zune Marketplace and boom. Seems really obvious. Could even be successful. So I wonder why they bother with these silly projects (but then, Apple DID try the Motorola ROKR iTunes thing).

It might be a nice idea from a consumer point of view, but it would Microsoft in a position few companies would ever want to find themselves; a standing start against a competitor already streets ahead in terms of market share, user experience (one of the best touch screens, with an app store to match).

It would take an awful lot of money to do, and it still would have a fairly high chance of failing. Better to take up the slack in the rest of the market, and avoid competition with the iPhone.

[Wingsy]

I love how everyone always dismisses anything not Apple as negative, I for one think this is great, the iPhone needs some competition, I personally would like to see more features and such, without competition apple has no reason to step up their game and add innovative features, I welcome any and all newcomers to the market including Microsoft.

Nothing could be farther from the truth. Apple is its own toughest competitor. What other company in this universe would kill the best selling MP3 player in the world and replace it with a completely new model? (Ans: None) Apple is always "stepping up their game", even with nothing on the horizon to challenge it. You seem to be under the misguided impression that Apple is in it just for the money. (OK, they are in it for the money, but it's not their number one priority, not by a long shot.)

[iCantwait]

No iPhone competition what so ever. Credit where it's due for the Zune HD, but the pink looks CRAP

[LAS.mac]

Another Palm Pre without the only thing that, possibly, it's worth a try, the Web OS. And we already have plenty of phones with win Mobile.

Also, I don't like crampy kb in a phone, I can't push one button at time.

[*LTD*]

WTH is this??

Apple is quite particular about what they put their logo on. MS, obviously, isn't.

"Turtle." No kidding.

[Anuba]

The tag line should be: "We are Microsoft. We copy others all the time."
I love it how people think there's actually a credible time window for copying the Pre, how a product that's been in development for ages and gone through evolutionary fine tuning of the design could actually be a copy of something that was launched 3 months ago. "Hey, that looks better than ours, let's scrap two years of work and knock together a new one in a couple of weeks!"

Both the Pre and the, um, "Turtle" are kinda-sorta copies of the iPhone's giant screen concept, but both companies decided to put it in a roundish rather than a squarish shell. In-de-pen-dent-ly.

[Rot'nApple]

And the OS... :rolleyes:

[CaryMacGuy]

It doesn't seem special to me...just another iPhone clone. In order for someone to unthrone Apple as the coolest and most desirable handset, someone is going to have to create a device that is so far out of this world and has an amazing killer feature.

In 2007, Apple did that with the iPhone. There was not another phone like it. In 2001, Apple did it with the iPod. What makes a successful product is a feature that no one else has and is useful (IE: the WiFi sharing on the original Zune was unique but it wasn't too useful).

Maybe Microsoft will see some success but for right now, the only company that can build a phone better than the iPhone is Apple.

[miketcool]

I'm sorry, I must have missed it when Apple invented the phone. Let alone, invented a touch screen phone. No one gasps when Apple releases another laptop that looks identical to, OTHER LAPTOPS.

For crying out loud, this is a Sharp slider phone, rebranded by M$ and marketed for teens. This looks like it might be successful, believe it or not. I can tell you, without even looking at specs, that a phone, easily allowing teens to type and text, is going to be a good design. I'll take my HTC Dream over and HTC Hero any day of the week, BECAUSE I CAN TYPE, not touch.

Screaming about chunkiness and M$ using copy machines, etc, is lame. It is a phone, with phone features and a real keyboard. You guys are as bad as Apple shooting down Apps because of Duplicate Functionality. Wait to hold judgement over a device before you get too caught up in the who-can-bash-competitors-the-hardest race.

[Schizoid]

They can't call it "Turtle" that is my cat's name. My cat is sooo much cooler.

"Turtle's Head" would be a better name for it... fatter than Steve Ballmer's arse

[*LTD*]

I thought this was supposed to be the fabled "iPhone Killer."

So, did MS just do this for the lulz?

Microsoft seems to be in no hurry to challenge the iPhone domination if they really are keen on making these devices, or they simply do not care?

These beauties will also include Zune services and apps. Winner!

Seriously, these pics can't be real. Has to be fake or some kind of joke in order to throw us all off the scent.

[Stately]

It will have nothing on the iPhone even as far as aesthetics as we can see but one thing it might have is great reception and working applications as it most likey won't be stuck in a contract with AT&T lol.

[*LTD*]

It will have nothing on the iPhone even as far as aesthetics as we can see but one thing it might have is great reception and working applications as it most likey won't be stuck in a contract with AT&T lol.

Those pics have got to be fake.

[Alfuh]

It doesn't even seem to be trying to mimic the iPhone in any way. It is going after the same demographic, but does so by offering the easy typing keyboard instead of the media focus of the iPhone. Anything that pressures Apple to make the iPhone better and likely cheaper is good in my book.

But I'd never buy either of those ;)

[NightFlight]

THIS is Microsofts answer to the iPhone?

Sorry, this looks like crap and will be running 6.5 which is a warmed over version of the ancient and problematic 6.0.

This has got to be a joke.

[*LTD*]

It doesn't even seem to be trying to mimic the iPhone in any way. It is going after the same demographic, but does so by offering the easy typing keyboard instead of the media focus of the iPhone. Anything that pressures Apple to make the iPhone better and likely cheaper is good in my book.

But I'd never buy either of those ;)

These throwbacks aren't anywhere in the remote vicinity of being able to pressure Apple, tbh.


THIS is Microsofts answer to the iPhone?

Sorry, this looks like crap and will be running 6.5 which is a warmed over version of the ancient and problematic 6.0.

This has got to be a joke.

It's either a joke (fake pics), or just a way to throw everyone off the scent before the *real* Zune phone appears . . . in maybe two years??

Either way, fake or not, I'm not surprised these "things" are somehow being associated with MS.

[*LTD*]

double

[SeanMcg]

I have one word for these

Evolutionary

Nothing special about them, and they are not "iPhone killers." While the iPhone has its faults, you cannot say that Apple and the iPhone did not change the direction of the mobile market. The existence of the phrase "iPhone killer," like "iPod killer" before it, demonstrates the effect of the iPhone, no matter what you think of the device, OS, and/or service.

These aren't going to change the market; people will buy these to replace their old Sidekicks or whatever.

[CylonGlitch]

Yes but . . . does it sync with iTunes like the Pre does?

[EarthDawn]

Looks like a birth control pack.

hehe ,.... nice LOL

And i would agree with you

[*LTD*]

Yes but . . . does it sync with iTunes like the Pre does?

It doesn't, and by the looks of it, it won't anytime soon.

[bruinsrme]

These throwbacks are anywhere in the remote vicinity of being able to pressure Apple, tbh.





Yeah I agree, I guess the same could be said about the recent evvets in the laptop market

[Chimpy]

OMG that Turtle is fat and ugly. Who the hell thought that was a good design?!

[Stigma]

Looks like a birth control pack.

Ahaha, good call.

[nwcs]

I see this Microsoft phone competing against Blackberry more than the iPhone... at least initially.

[darkcanuck]

Hehehe, "Pink turtle". Oh my.

[ucfgrad93]

The square one looks terrible, but I do like the looks of the rectangular one. It will be interesting to see what the specs are of these Microsoft phones.

[inlovewithi]

A lot of posters really need to think a little bit before they post instead of writing the first negative comment that pops into their head. You give Mac users a bad name, and come across as eye-rolling, mouth frothing fanatics.

Exactly, I'm on this site because I bought a Macbook, so I wanted to learn more about macs. And now instead of getting a ipod touch I'm considering getting a Zune, because some of these comments are so over the top, that it kind of makes a person not want to support Apple. I would understand it if maybe they worked for Apple.

[*LTD*]

Microsoft must enjoy being mocked.

[juanm]

Perhaps Longhorn would have retained its name, had it not been scrapped three quarters of the way through in 2003. It would eventually have been named BlackComb, which was to be Longhorn's successor, (also based on the Windows XP source code) before the entire project was canned, and renamed Vista.

Directly from MS: Windows Longhorn renamed Vista:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/jul05/07-22LHMA.mspx

[RoboCop001]

Exactly, I'm on this site because I bought a Macbook, so I wanted to learn more about macs. And now instead of getting a ipod touch I'm considering getting a Zune, because some of these comments are so over the top, that it kind of makes a person not want to support Apple. I would understand it if maybe they worked for Apple.

If I may...

I'll tell ya the problem with the social power they're using here: it didn't take any discipline to attain it.

You know, they saw what others had done, and they took the next step. They didn't read the article for themselves, so they don't get any insight from it.

They stood on the shoulders of Apple and before they even knew what they were talking about, they targeted it, they laughed at it, and now, they want to mock it, they're mocking it!! Well...

[*LTD*]

Exactly, I'm on this site because I bought a Macbook, so I wanted to learn more about macs. And now instead of getting a ipod touch I'm considering getting a Zune, because some of these comments are so over the top, that it kind of makes a person not want to support Apple. I would understand it if maybe they worked for Apple.

So you're not getting an iPod Touch because of our attitude?? LOL

[Minuteman3]

I guess since i don't have a 6 or 7 figure income from MS I'm not as smart as their execs ... but IF I were one and wanted to compete with the iPhone, I know what I'd do ...

Take the new Zune HD, add in a GSM 3/4G phone capability and sell direct to the public as an unlocked phone at a price point around $400. Then, I'd find a way to make a "SIM" that could work on Verizon/Sprint's network ... and I'd sell that too. Among other factors, with the Zune's subscription plan, I'd have a steady stream of revenue for a long time to come.

And, as much as I could I'd ignore the carriers completely. I'd own the customer ... from the desktop to the mobile phone.

But ... I doubt it would ever happen, unfortunately.

Cheers!!

Ken

[BongoBanger]

Seriously, these pics can't be real. Has to be fake or some kind of joke in order to throw us all off the scent.

They probably are real but I doubt they represent everything that MS is doing. These look low end market to me.

[Digitalclips]

Since when did this site change from macrumors to pcrumors:confused:

or ... pchumor ...:)

[anjinha]

Exactly, I'm on this site because I bought a Macbook, so I wanted to learn more about macs. And now instead of getting a ipod touch I'm considering getting a Zune, because some of these comments are so over the top, that it kind of makes a person not want to support Apple. I would understand it if maybe they worked for Apple.

You know the Zune won't work with OS X, right?

And seriously, you're buying a Zune because of what some Apple fans said in a forum? Nevermind that a lot of people in this thread actually said nice things about the "Pink" phones...

[RoboCop001]

So you're not getting an iPod Touch because of our attitude?? LOL

I simply don't understand this ludite attitude. Especially from a consumer!

I mean, how can we stand in the light of competition, and laugh at it??

[*LTD*]

They probably are real but I doubt they represent everything that MS is doing. These look low end market to me.

So it probably has a Tegra processor or something with a great OS. In other words, MS' version of the Pre?

[Digitalclips]

Exactly, I'm on this site because I bought a Macbook, so I wanted to learn more about macs. And now instead of getting a ipod touch I'm considering getting a Zune, because some of these comments are so over the top, that it kind of makes a person not want to support Apple. I would understand it if maybe they worked for Apple.

That'll work well with your MacBook ... ;)

[BongoBanger]

So it probably has a Tegra processor or something with a great OS. In other words, MS' version of the Pre?

Looks more like a sequel to the Sidekick to me. Certainly these are no iPhone competitors regardles of their inards.

[anjinha]

I guess since i don't have a 6 or 7 figure income from MS I'm not as smart as their execs ... but IF I were one and wanted to compete with the iPhone, I know what I'd do ...

Take the new Zune HD, add in a GSM 3/4G phone capability and sell direct to the public as an unlocked phone at a price point around $400. Then, I'd find a way to make a "SIM" that could work on Verizon/Sprint's network ... and I'd sell that too. Among other factors, with the Zune's subscription plan, I'd have a steady stream of revenue for a long time to come.

And, as much as I could I'd ignore the carriers completely. I'd own the customer ... from the desktop to the mobile phone.

But ... I doubt it would ever happen, unfortunately.

Cheers!!

Ken

Probably because a lot of that stuff would be pretty near impossible.

[alent1234]

I guess since i don't have a 6 or 7 figure income from MS I'm not as smart as their execs ... but IF I were one and wanted to compete with the iPhone, I know what I'd do ...

Take the new Zune HD, add in a GSM 3/4G phone capability and sell direct to the public as an unlocked phone at a price point around $400. Then, I'd find a way to make a "SIM" that could work on Verizon/Sprint's network ... and I'd sell that too. Among other factors, with the Zune's subscription plan, I'd have a steady stream of revenue for a long time to come.

And, as much as I could I'd ignore the carriers completely. I'd own the customer ... from the desktop to the mobile phone.

But ... I doubt it would ever happen, unfortunately.

Cheers!!

Ken

good thing the MS execs are smarter than you and decided to not compete with the iphone. shockingly there is a huge part of the cell phone market that isn't interested in ever getting an iphone.

these are probably going to be cheapo phones and the kids will love them for texting tens of thousands of texts a month. i have a BB Curve and a 3GS and i would never buy an iphone for a child. almost every other phone is more durable, including my Curve

[*LTD*]

I simply don't understand this ludite attitude. Especially from a consumer!

I mean, how can we stand in the light of competition, and laugh at it??

What competition?

And a Luddite is opposed to technological change. There is no change when you're moving backward.

[RoboCop001]

What competition?

And a Luddite is opposed to technological change. There is no change when you're moving backward.

I'm just making excuses to quote Jurassic Park.

Why? Because. We're being hunted.

Chaotician! Chaotician, actually!

Join me, would you?

[alent1234]

Exactly, I'm on this site because I bought a Macbook, so I wanted to learn more about macs. And now instead of getting a ipod touch I'm considering getting a Zune, because some of these comments are so over the top, that it kind of makes a person not want to support Apple. I would understand it if maybe they worked for Apple.

i'm a windows user and don't ever plan on buying anything apple other than an iphone and i think the Zune sucks. so much potential and MS just crippled it

[inlovewithi]

You know the Zune won't work with OS X, right?

And seriously, you're buying a Zune because of what some Apple fans said in a forum? Nevermind that a lot of people in this thread actually said nice things about the "Pink" phones...

I also have Windows 7. And yes, it actually worked in turning me off to Apple, too many comments to list. Of the top of my head I remember a Mac user starting a thread about how great Macs are, and one of the reason was that when he closed the lid of his mac book, it went into sleep mode. Some comments are so ignorant that it does work in turning a person off to Apple.

Example, I'm a big Kobe Bryant fan, but Michael Jordan was such a superior player. I'm always pulling for Kobe, but around 2 months ago I started watching NBA videos on youtube, and now I find myself not pulling so much for Kobe, because of the just plain ridiculous comments that his teenage fans make, about a player who they never even saw play. They are so ignorant with their Jordan comments, since they weren't even conscious when he played, but they think Kobe is the greatest basketball player ever, not considering that he's all they know, and they think the only thing that matters is the only thing they know, their era, and anything else is irrelevant.

[NetScheduler]

Really? I use my iPhone for business purposes all the time. It's the best business phone I've ever had.

He's trying to be funny by quoting/mocking Steve Ballmer. Extreme fan boys tend to speak in quotes.. They all "Skate to where the puck is going to be", the "back of their phones look better than the front of the other guys", their computers are all "elegant and delicious", and all Apple displays are "gorgeous" ....

Rarely does a blind fanboy have an original thought...

[*LTD*]

i'm a windows user and don't ever plan on buying anything apple other than an iphone and i think the Zune sucks. so much potential and MS just crippled it

I think the same thing. But who knows, MS might have big plans for it, which are somehow . . . hidden, for now. Unless they plan on just leaving it as is, which would be their typical MO.

There's always the possibility of xbox integration and whatnot . . .

[miketcool]

Exactly, I'm on this site because I bought a Macbook, so I wanted to learn more about macs. And now instead of getting a ipod touch I'm considering getting a Zune, because some of these comments are so over the top, that it kind of makes a person not want to support Apple. I would understand it if maybe they worked for Apple.

Good luck using the Zune with your Mac. The conversion to WMA is enough for me to walk away. Change those two things, and I might consider picking one up. I am still holding out for the ZiiLabs Egg...

[anjinha]

I also have Windows 7. And yes, it actually worked in turning me off to Apple, too many comments to list. Of the top of my head I remember a Mac user starting a thread about how great Macs are, and one of the reason was that when he closed the lid of his mac book, it went into sleep mode. Some comments are so ignorant that it does work in turning a person off to Apple.

Example, I'm a big Kobe Bryant fan, but Michael Jordan was such a superior player. I'm always pulling for Kobe, but around 2 months ago I started watching NBA videos on youtube, and now I find myself not pulling so much for Kobe, because of the just plain ridiculous comments that his teenage fans make, about a player who they never even saw play. They are so ignorant with their Jordan comments, since they weren't even conscious when he played, but they think Kobe is the greatest basketball player ever, not considering that he's all they know, and they think the only thing that matters is the only thing they know, their era, and anything else is irrelevant.

I just think you should judge a product by itself, not by its users. Believe me, there are tons of ignorant Microsoft fanboys too.

[*LTD*]

I also have Windows 7. And yes, it actually worked in turning me off to Apple, too many comments to list. Of the top of my head I remember a Mac user starting a thread about how great Macs are, and one of the reason was that when he closed the lid of his mac book, it went into sleep mode. Some comments are so ignorant that it does work in turning a person off to Apple.

Example, I'm a big Kobe Bryant fan, but Michael Jordan was such a superior player. I'm always pulling for Kobe, but around 2 months ago I started watching NBA videos on youtube, and now I find myself not pulling so much for Kobe, because of the just plain ridiculous comments that his teenage fans make, about a player who they never even saw play. They are so ignorant with their Jordan comments, since they weren't even conscious when he played, but they think Kobe is the greatest basketball player ever, not considering that he's all they know, and they think the only thing that matters is the only thing they know, their era, and anything else is irrelevant.

So you can't think for yourself?

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-943519.html

Does that make you feel better?

Are you trying to go for a certain "understated" or noncommital, vendor-neutral image? Are there matching pairs of shoes for that?

[miketcool]

Example, I'm a big Kobe Bryant fan, but Michael Jordan was such a superior player. I'm always pulling for Kobe, but around 2 months ago I started watching NBA videos on youtube, and now I find myself not pulling so much for Kobe, because of the just plain ridiculous comments that his teenage fans make, about a player who they never even saw play. They are so ignorant with their Jordan comments, since they weren't even conscious when he played, but they think Kobe is the greatest basketball player ever, not considering that he's all they know, and they think the only thing that matters is the only thing they know, their era, and anything else is irrelevant.

What a strange, yet relevant analogy. I wonder how many people in here have actually given Windows 7 or a WinMo phone a test. Blasting the Palm Pre because it lacks a shiny, partially eaten apple silhouette is ignorant.

[Rodimus Prime]

I thought this was supposed to be the fabled "iPhone Killer."

So, did MS just do this for the lulz?

Microsoft seems to be in no hurry to challenge the iPhone domination if they really are keen on making these devices, or they simply do not care?

These beauties will also include Zune services and apps. Winner!

Seriously, these pics can't be real. Has to be fake or some kind of joke in order to throw us all off the scent.

The fable "iPhone killer" is just crap the media and fanboys like yourself make up.

I already noticed you failed to read the article on it and failed to noticed that it is not targeted at the same group the iPhone is targeted at.
I think for what the phone is targeted at it will do really well. Now in the future I fully expect to see a Zune HD phone coming out.

What a strange, yet relevant analogy. I wonder how many people in here have actually given Windows 7 or a WinMo phone a test. Blasting the Palm Pre because it lacks a shiny, partially eaten apple silhouette is ignorant.

Sad part is most of them. The Fanboys are pretty clear they see Microsoft and go Bashing. The little i have played with windows 7 I have liked. The little I have played with a Palm I like plus it has a physical keyboard. I honestly can not stand touch screen only.
The few of us who seem to of read it do noticed that the phone seems to be pretty well designed for the market it is targeting and that it is not going head to head with the iPhone.

[RoboCop001]

What a strange, yet relevant analogy. I wonder how many people in here have actually given Windows 7 or a WinMo phone a test. Blasting the Palm Pre because it lacks a shiny, partially eaten apple silhouette is ignorant.

Indeed!

I'm actually looking forward to see what Windows 7 has to offer. And I wouldn't mind checking out Windows Mobile, isn't there a new one coming out soon?

Having said that I'll still stick with my Macbook Pro and iPhone though, but I work on a PC at work and have no urge to change it into a Mac.


Even Nedry knew not to mess with the raptor fences!

[*LTD*]

What a strange, yet relevant analogy. I wonder how many people in here have actually given Windows 7 or a WinMo phone a test. Blasting the Palm Pre because it lacks a shiny, partially eaten apple silhouette is ignorant.

WinMo in its current form is junk.

The Pre is a nice OS wrapped in junk.

Windows hasn't launched yet.

Aside from Windows 7, what else is there to know?

[inlovewithi]

Good luck using the Zune with your Mac. The conversion to WMA is enough for me to walk away. Change those two things, and I might consider picking one up. I am still holding out for the ZiiLabs Egg...

In all honesty I'm not really looking to getting neither one anytime soon, not until I start working again. By then I probably wont care. The feature I'm most interested is in being able to watch High Def videos on my TV, but I actually want a Mac Mini for that, but with Windows, to use some other programs on my TV. If only it had an HDMI cable.

[Rodimus Prime]

WinMo in its current form is junk.

The Pre is a nice OS wrapped in junk.

Windows hasn't launched yet.

Aside from Windows 7, what else is there to know?


Have you used WinMo and gotten over the slight learning curve? Answer is No You have not.

Have you even really bothered to use a Pre more than just to try to confirm you hate it? No you have not.

I say on windows 7 by December you will find a reason to bash it.

[apple101]

The "Pure" looks more like the HTC Touch Pro 2 more than a sidekick.

[inlovewithi]

What a strange, yet relevant analogy. I wonder how many people in here have actually given Windows 7 or a WinMo phone a test. Blasting the Palm Pre because it lacks a shiny, partially eaten apple silhouette is ignorant.

I guess it is ignorant, but it's just a human thing. You see it everywhere where there's a minority. They kind of stand close and start strongly bashing away their opponent. It's not just with computers. But yes, if you go to a PC forum you won't see much Apple bashing, but actual talk about features, and constructive criticism. There's no enemy to bash, more talk on how to improve things.

[miketcool]

The Pre is a nice OS wrapped in junk.


Obviously you have Physical Keyboard Envy. Fanboys frequently come down with cases of this, and others like Physical 2 Button Mouse Envy.

[anjinha]

Obviously you have Physical Keyboard Envy. Fanboys frequently come down with cases of this, and others like Physical 2 Button Mouse Envy.

I had a Blackberry. I like the iPhone's virtual keyboard a lot better. If that makes me a fanboy, so be it, at least I actually enjoy what I have.

I guess it is ignorant, but it's just a human thing. You see it everywhere where there's a minority. They kind of stand close and start strongly bashing away their opponent. It's not just with computers. But yes, if you go to a PC forum you won't see much Apple bashing, but actual talk about features, and constructive criticism. There's no enemy to bash, more talk on how to improve things.

Seriously? From my experience PC users bash Apple users a lot more. And usually, even though some might gloat a little too much, Apple users know a little more about what they're talking about because they have actually used both OSes. Most PC users have never used OS X.

[CylonGlitch]

What a strange, yet relevant analogy. I wonder how many people in here have actually given Windows 7 or a WinMo phone a test. Blasting the Palm Pre because it lacks a shiny, partially eaten apple silhouette is ignorant.

Windows 7 is a decent OS and will be good enough for many people. Do I think it is as good or as polished as OS-X? No, but then again, it isn't officially launched yet.

Windows Mobile is an abomination that drives me bonkers. Not only have I had to develop for it, but I had to design hardware for it and get it to run. It isn't so much the OS itself, but MS tools for it are just out of this world horrid! Their latest design environment maybe better, I got out asap. But 5.0 was so bad it made my keyboard bleed. Required flat design style, everything in one directory, all directories are hard paths, so you can't move it around easily, and more. Ugh.

Palm Pre, all I know is that they are trying hard to play games with their USB VID to get a free ride (and publicity) from Apple -- I can't respect that. Stand on your own feet. I haven't used the device to know if it is good or not, but it could be OK.

[johncarync]

If Microsoft likes to copy things so much, why don't they make a copy machine?


...on second thought, the first copy that came out would probably suck. You'd have to wait for the third copy to get something decent.

[*LTD*]

Obviously you have Physical Keyboard Envy. Fanboys frequently come down with cases of this, and others like Physical 2 Button Mouse Envy.

If the Pre's keyboard weren't so horrible, I might like the Pre a little more. But the whole unit feels lke flimsy junk. It doesn't take more than a minute's use to determine whether it's something you want to use. The whole Pre release is turning into a big joke, anyway.

[CylonGlitch]

Seriously? From my experience PC users bash Apple users a lot more. And usually, even though some might gloat a little too much, Apple users know a little more about what they're talking about because they have actually used both OSes. Most PC users have never used OS X.

Given that most companies run with Windows, you're much more likely to find OSX fans who have used / use Windows daily vs. Windows fans who use OSX daily. And in fairness to Windows, corporate windows is very often older versions because they don't like to change much, and the equipment is often older and / or not maintained well. These things can give windows a worse rap then it deserves.

But I did find, in the past, that PC fans were very apt to jump all over an OSX user without even stopping to find out anything about it. BUT, in the last 2 years it seems that more PC fans are willing to give OSX the benefit of the doubt (especially since the iPhone) and are willing to consider it a viable alternative.

OSX fans do have a tendency to believe in their superiority (although it could be argued as justifiable, it doesn't mean it is for everyone or will remain that way)

[jayducharme]

Oh dear, looks like an egg slicer with a keypad...

That comment just made my day.

[inlovewithi]

I had a Blackberry. I like the iPhone's virtual keyboard a lot better. If that makes me a fanboy, so be it, at least I actually enjoy what I have.



Seriously? From my experience PC users bash Apple users a lot more. And usually, even though some might gloat a little too much, Apple users know a little more about what they're talking about because they have actually used both OSes. Most PC users have never used OS X.

I visit this forum and a computer one, and I really don't find PC users talking about Mac, only every once in a while when a Mac user comes and starts basically passively putting them down by saying how Macs are so much better. I find Windows users talking more in great detail about computer hardware then anything else, it's almost as if they're talking a different language. Maybe it's just the site I go to, but it's just soooo technical, I've actually learn a lot about hardware. Here it's so much about, "Apple is the best, Microsoft sucks." And it doesn't look like hardcore Mac users have used Windows much, since all of their criticisms are so outdated, and just silly like that one mac user who bragged about being able to put his Mac into sleep mode by just closing the lid of hit Macbook.

[Rodimus Prime]

If the Pre's keyboard weren't so horrible, I might like the Pre a little more. But the whole unit feels lke flimsy junk. It doesn't take more than a minute's use to determine whether it's something you want to use. The whole Pre release is turning into a big joke, anyway.

tell you the truth that is where you are wrong.

If you go in thinking it will be junk (as I bet you did) it only takes one minute to confirm that belief because you go in beleive it is crap.

Same goes for people who go in thinking touch screen only is crap. Takes 2nds to confirm that.

I personally do not like touch screen only. I have tried it but it is not for me I really like the feel of physical keys. Some people like touch screen I do not. But I am not going to go out and say all touch screen only is crap.

[Mattie Num Nums]

Not everything has to be a slab to fit in a man's shirt pocket.

There are supposedly a fair number of female engineers working on stuff like this at Microsoft these days.

Perhaps the first one is supposed to be more usable by women, especially if they have nails. After the initial surprise at its looks, it seems pretty hand friendly to me.

The person heading the Pink project is a female FYI.

So what happened with all of Apple's patents on the iPhone interface? You know, from the original intro, "And boy have we patented it!"

They forgot to mention most of it was patented by Palm years before. Notice how Apples whole argument over Palm stealing their ideas quieted down.

[anjinha]

I visit this forum and a computer one, and I really don't find PC users talking about Mac, only every once in a while when a Mac user comes and starts basically passively putting them down by saying how Macs are so much better. I find Windows users talking more in great detail about computer hardware then anything else, it's almost as if they're talking a different language. Maybe it's just the site I go to, but it's just soooo technical, I've actually learn a lot about hardware. Here it's so much about, "Apple is the best, Microsoft sucks."

Well, it makes sense if it's a more technical forum. This forum is more about rumors, new products, what the competition is doing... Of course there's going to be more criticism here.

And seriously, have you been here on product launches? Have you seen how many criticism Apple gets from Apple fans?

And it doesn't look like hardcore Mac users have used Windows much, since all of their criticisms are so outdated, and just silly like that one mac user who bragged about being able to put his Mac into sleep mode by just closing the lid of hit Macbook.

What about PC users that say there's not a lot of software for macs? Or that macs suck because they don't have a two-button mouse?

[NT1440]

The pure, nice looking phone.

The turtle, wtf? It looks like a phone a friend has, but the form factor is ridiculous. Its clear its meant to be more of a texting device than an actual phone. I'd hate to make calls with a cinnamon bun up to my ear.

[Mattie Num Nums]

Turtle = Palm Pre wanna be
Palm Pre = iPhone wanna be

iPhone = BlackBerry wana be
Blackberry = Treo wana be
Treo = Palm with phone
Palm = Casiopia wana be
Casiopia = calculator wana be
Calculator = fingers and brain wana be

You fan boys are ridiculous. This is called technology everyone feeds off of each other. Hate to tell you underneath that shiny aluminum Macbook Pro is a 500 dollar HP laptop.

Macrumors could post an article "Microsoft ends world hunger" and people would reply... The iPhone is so much better anyways or M$ copied Apple on ending world hunger.

[NT1440]

Hate to tell you underneath that shiny aluminum Macbook Pro is a 500 dollar HP laptop.

Wow, apple's engineering team just keeps amazing me! They managed to fit an entire HP laptop inside of my 1 inch computer?? AND fit all their components as well?

Well done apple! :p

[Mattie Num Nums]

Wow, apple's engineering team just keeps amazing me! They managed to fit an entire HP laptop inside of my 1 inch computer?? AND fit all their components as well?

Well done apple! :p

You're attempt at being clever just makes you look foolish. Any person in their right mind knows exactly what I am saying.

[CylonGlitch]

You're attempt at being clever just makes you look foolish. Any person in their right mind knows exactly what I am saying.

No he was trying to be funny.

[Mattie Num Nums]

No he was trying to be funny.

... and I was using a figure of speech.

[RoboCop001]

... and I was using a figure of speech.

And all of you are getting way too worked up about all of this.

It's... a phone!!!!

I'm afraid I'm going to diagnose you all with incredible neurotic behaviour.... I'm... I'm sorry.... there's nothing we can do....

Let the phone be what it is. Who cares if it sucks, or if it's great. You'll find out WHEN you use it.

With that said, please continue :D

Our lives our in your hands and you have butterfingers!?!??

[iPhone 62S]

That's a cheap crappy looking version of the Palm Pre made by Microsoft with Windows Mobile on it!

My guess it they'll market it as having 8 screens when it only has one, half of them will have hardware failures and you'll need to close everything manually with the Task Manager every 5 minutes.

I fail to see anyone buying this at all.

[silentnite]

I think I've seen this before. Let me think! I think it was called the pearl or was it the clam? :confused:

[LagunaSol]

iPhone = BlackBerry wana be

Odd, the iPhone didn't look (or act) anything like any BlackBerry I had ever seen when it was announced.

I don't think wannabe means what you think it means.

[*LTD*]

Odd, the iPhone didn't look (or act) anything like any BlackBerry I had ever seen when it was announced.

I don't think wannabe means what you think it means.

The iPhone was a completely new phenomenon. There's no sense comparing to what came before or existed when it was released. That's why the entire mobile industry underwent such a rapid and significant change. The iPhone is still unequalled, though everyone's trying.

[LagunaSol]

The iPhone was a completely new phenomenon. There's no sense comparing to what came before or existed when it was released. That's why the entire mobile industry underwent such a rapid and significant change. The iPhone is still unequalled, though everyone's trying.

And here's the big difference: when Steve announced the iPhone, he actually pulled the thing out and demoed it in real time.

No 3D renders. No faux multimedia demo (like the recent Microsoft tablet "leaks" or Project Natal). No smoke, no mirrors, no vapor, no FUD. The anti-Microsoft product unveiling if ever there was one.

[Mattie Num Nums]

The iPhone was a completely new phenomenon. There's no sense comparing to what came before or existed when it was released. That's why the entire mobile industry underwent such a rapid and significant change. The iPhone is still unequalled, though everyone's trying.

You live in a total fantasy world. In Japan before the iPhone, Phones were playing live television shows, doing live web cam feeds, being used as "swipes" to pay for goods, downloading media, advanced web browsing.

The only thing the iPhone did was added gesturing (which Apple bought from a 3rd party company), added visual voicemail (which is nothing new as companies like Avaya have had Visual Voicemail in the corporate world for years), and the App Store (nothing new Apple just is an amazing marketing machine.)

The iPhone is a great piece of technology, but it wasn't this ground shattering thing. The American Cell Market is so behind the times and the iPhone shook it up. Ill give it credit. The iPhone has changed the way Americans see Cell Phone. When I went to Japan a few years ago people were interested in my phone but again, it couldn't do half of what most of their crazy Sharp phones could.

[*LTD*]

You live in a total fantasy world. In Japan before the iPhone, Phones were playing live television shows, doing live web cam feeds, being used as "swipes" to pay for goods, downloading media, advanced web browsing.

The only thing the iPhone did was added gesturing (which Apple bought from a 3rd party company), added visual voicemail (which is nothing new as companies like Avaya have had Visual Voicemail in the corporate world for years), and the App Store (nothing new Apple just is an amazing marketing machine.)

The iPhone is a great piece of technology, but it wasn't this ground shattering thing. The American Cell Market is so behind the times and the iPhone shook it up. Ill give it credit. The iPhone has changed the way Americans see Cell Phone. When I went to Japan a few years ago people were interested in my phone but again, it couldn't do half of what most of their crazy Sharp phones could.

And now:

http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/08/17/apples-iphone-3gs-is-no-1-in-japan/

http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/08/17/iphone.3gs.tops.in.japan/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125259938989400063.html

[LagunaSol]

You live in a total fantasy world. In Japan before the iPhone, Phones were playing live television shows, doing live web cam feeds, being used as "swipes" to pay for goods, downloading media, advanced web browsing.

The total fantasy world is a place where thinking that "features" are the only thing that matter - that actually using those features is secondary or even irrelevant. And that's where all previous devices had failed.

That the iPhone took all these features and created a device that both my 66-year-old father and 2-year-old son can pick up and intuit without any confusion was indeed groundbreaking.

But I'm sure you're right, of course, and the iPhone will become a global flop because it's just an underpowered "Me Too" device. :rolleyes:

[*LTD*]

The total fantasy world is a place where thinking that "features" are the only thing that matter - that actually using those features is secondary or even irrelevant. And that's where all previous devices had failed.

That the iPhone took all these features and created a device that both my 66-year-old father and 2-year-old son can pick up and intuit without any confusion was indeed groundbreaking.

But I'm sure you're right, of course, and the iPhone will become a global flop because it's just an underpowered "Me Too" device. :rolleyes:


Here's what's been going on, Laguna:

I pull facts from the web - from different sources, in abundance. It's not me talking, it's what's fact. It's what's been happening. In return, this angry and delusional individual (getting angry with Apple fans ON AN APPLE FAN SITE) is smearing the forums with their credentials, challenging others to post theirs, while completely oblivious to the very real possibility that the person being challenged is more qualified, or better educated, or more worldly than they are.

Here's what we've been getting in return:

You live in a total fantasy world.

You fan boys are ridiculous.

Good job ignoring the obvious yet again.

Congrats all you Apple fanboys

You're something else. You have no idea how the world works.

You obviously have not been in the real world. Do you have any enterprise or real world work experience

[knewsom]

Sheesh guys, it's not like this is becoming a M$ fanboy site or some garbage... I mean really, are there even M$ fanboys at all? I've NEVER known ANYONE who gives as much of a crap about what they do as us Mac users give a crap about Apple.

These rumors and news articles are posted here so we can see what's ahead from the COMPETITION. Just like back in the PPC days stories would be posted about Intel's upcoming lineups. This allows us to witness how Apple deals with the competition, and often pre-emptively shuts 'em down but good. In this case, it appears that the "competition" is once again LAUGHABLE, and Apple isn't going to have to do JACK to compete. This to me is BAD news. The only real alternative to the iPhone is the Android phones, which are quite good, but don't offer enough competition or threat thereof to make Apple push the limits of the iPhone further. I for one was hoping for an equally or more badass phone from M$, but seriously, I wasn't expecting one given their track record.

Hopefully Windows 7 will light a proverbial fire under Apple for the next release.

[Skika]

Looks like junk.

[alent1234]

You live in a total fantasy world. In Japan before the iPhone, Phones were playing live television shows, doing live web cam feeds, being used as "swipes" to pay for goods, downloading media, advanced web browsing.

The only thing the iPhone did was added gesturing (which Apple bought from a 3rd party company), added visual voicemail (which is nothing new as companies like Avaya have had Visual Voicemail in the corporate world for years), and the App Store (nothing new Apple just is an amazing marketing machine.)

The iPhone is a great piece of technology, but it wasn't this ground shattering thing. The American Cell Market is so behind the times and the iPhone shook it up. Ill give it credit. The iPhone has changed the way Americans see Cell Phone. When I went to Japan a few years ago people were interested in my phone but again, it couldn't do half of what most of their crazy Sharp phones could.

and now japaneese carriers are looking at the iphone because their phones have all kinds of hardware features but the software and usability sucks.

VZ has had TV on a cell phone for years and a lot of people didn't care.

[Sehnsucht]

lol k

[LagunaSol]

Here's what's been going on, Laguna:

You can almost smell the freshly cut astroturf, no?

Sheesh guys, it's not like this is becoming a M$ fanboy site or some garbage... I mean really, are there even M$ fanboys at all?

Um, yeah man - they're crawling all over this site and others (try the Engadget comments section - nothing but praise and high ranking for pro-Microsoft comments and low ranking and abuse for pro-Apple comments).

There are plenty of Microsoft fanboys out there - they've just never looked in a mirror.

[Mattie Num Nums]

The total fantasy world is a place where thinking that "features" are the only thing that matter - that actually using those features is secondary or even irrelevant. And that's where all previous devices had failed.

That the iPhone took all these features and created a device that both my 66-year-old father and 2-year-old son can pick up and intuit without any confusion was indeed groundbreaking.

But I'm sure you're right, of course, and the iPhone will become a global flop because it's just an underpowered "Me Too" device. :rolleyes:

Name one major innovation Apple has had in the past 3 years.

Don't say tablet because its not even real yet.

I am not a M$ fanboy. Use a Mac daily. I am just not a cultist Mac follower who is blinded by the Apple Aura or Steve Jobs eloquent speeches.

[LagunaSol]

Name one major innovation Apple has had in the past 3 years.

iPhone. To argue that the iPhone is not a major innovation would be pure ignorance or denial.

I am just not a cultist Mac follower who is blinded by the Apple Aura or Steve Jobs eloquent speeches.

Right, like anyone who disagrees with your daily anti-Apple diatribes surely must be. Uh huh.

[*LTD*]

iPhone. To argue that the iPhone is not a major innovation would be pure ignorance or denial.

iPod Touch as well.

Apple simply innovated on their own innovation with the iPhone.

[newcronos]

So... the producer of WinMo, originally a partner with a large number of phone companies, is now becoming their direct competitor.

Looks like the reign of Microsoft as a mobile platform has just ended.

what reign?

[alent1234]

what reign?

winmo still has a bigger market share than iphone

[alent1234]

iPhone. To argue that the iPhone is not a major innovation would be pure ignorance or denial.



Right, like anyone who disagrees with your daily anti-Apple diatribes surely must be. Uh huh.

i have a 3GS and except for some new things like a compass that weren't available 10 years ago i can't think of one feature that it has that hasn't been available on phones/PDA's since the late 1990's

[inkswamp]

Since when did this site change from macrumors to pcrumors:confused:

Do new people not lurk on sites anymore to get a feel for things before griping?

I've been following this site for many years and the admins post non-Apple news on the front page when it pertains to direct competition to an Apple product or when it's of particular interest to those following Apple rumors. This is not new. It's been happening for years.

I'd suggest this be added to a site FAQ but I suspect those who should read it wouldn't bother.

[*LTD*]

winmo still has a bigger market share than iphone

WinMo is behind RIM and Apple. And falling fast. Android will make its descent even sharper. WinMo is dying.

http://theappleblog.com/2009/08/12/iphone-market-share-up-again/

The writing was already on the wall in December:

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=827912

Q2 this year:

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1126812

i have a 3GS and except for some new things like a compass that weren't available 10 years ago i can't think of one feature that it has that hasn't been available on phones/PDA's since the late 1990's

Unfortunately (or not, depending on your perspective), the market, tech analysts, and users decide the definition of innovation. And according to that, the iPhone more than meets it. It's a revolutionary product, bar none.

[geminidown]

Looks like a birth control pack.

You just made my day! LOL!

But um, yeah... very Pre-ish, which also takes it's design from other phones out there. It's pretty difficult to re-design a slider phone. What major differences can you make? As far as design goes, the iPhone is a candybar phone, made more distinct from it's competitors due to the lack of more buttons across it's bottom, so really, how far can a phone go before there's not much more that can be done.

Both of the phones LOOK like they'd feel great in your hand. The iPhone 3G/S feels a lot better in your hand than the first gen did, but I still dig the "pebble" look that the first phone pictured above has. Looks stylish. I'm not going to be trading in my iPhone for one anytime soon, though.

Off topic: Anyone check out the OS for the new Motorola coming out? Integration with FB, MySpace and all that jazz... contacts all melded together. Just the look of it is appealing to me. Really slick looking.

[Edmar]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7C144 Safari/528.16)

FUGLY

[Mattie Num Nums]

A lot of people here confuse style with innovation.

i have a 3GS and except for some new things like a compass that weren't available 10 years ago i can't think of one feature that it has that hasn't been available on phones/PDA's since the late 1990's

See above comment.

[DMann]

Directly from MS: Windows Longhorn renamed Vista:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/jul05/07-22LHMA.mspxYes.

[bluedevil14]

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little

[Lancetx]

i have a 3GS and except for some new things like a compass that weren't available 10 years ago i can't think of one feature that it has that hasn't been available on phones/PDA's since the late 1990's

Oh really? I'd love to see that multi-touch, A/V media playing phone with full featured rich e-mail and a full web browser (not some stripped down WAP) from the late '90s that you speak of. Not to even mention all of the other things an iPhone does that no other phone before it did at all or very well at least. :rolleyes:

[polaris20]

great. it's a pre.

No, it's worse than a Pre. If it's running Windows Mobile.

[polaris20]

You fan boys are ridiculous. This is called technology everyone feeds off of each other. Hate to tell you underneath that shiny aluminum Macbook Pro is a 500 dollar HP laptop.


Not quite, my display hasn't failed twice yet in a year and I'm still on the first battery. :D

[Mattie Num Nums]

Not quite, my display hasn't failed twice yet in a year and I'm still on the first battery. :D

I can say that about 95% of our PC population here (over 15,000 computers) are solid.

Our mac population is around 2000 and its around 85%-90%.

Most of our Mac issues are distorted video, no power, or not waking from sleep.

Most our PC problems are bad HDD or client abuse.

[progx]

What do you get when you add a U to PRE?

Palm, I think you just ripped off! Flattery won't get you anywhere when M$ steals from you.

[NT1440]

You're attempt at being clever just makes you look foolish. Any person in their right mind knows exactly what I am saying.

Can't take a joke? :rolleyes:

I dont think ive ever seen a $500 hp with all the little touches that make me love my mac so much.....

[progx]

Oh really? I'd love to see that multi-touch, A/V media playing phone with full featured rich e-mail and a full web browser (not some stripped down WAP) from the late '90s that you speak of. Not to even mention all of the other things an iPhone does that no other phone before it did at all or very well at least. :rolleyes:

Well put! Kudos!

[progx]

iPhone = BlackBerry wana be
Blackberry = Treo wana be
Treo = Palm with phone
Palm = Casiopia wana be
Casiopia = calculator wana be
Calculator = fingers and brain wana be

You fan boys are ridiculous. This is called technology everyone feeds off of each other. Hate to tell you underneath that shiny aluminum Macbook Pro is a 500 dollar HP laptop.

Macrumors could post an article "Microsoft ends world hunger" and people would reply... The iPhone is so much better anyways or M$ copied Apple on ending world hunger.

Hmm. Underneath my Macbook would cost you about $2,000 from HP. Why don't you shop first?

While you're at it, you may want to tell Vista to ALLOW a social life.

[acurafan]

those 2 phones are ugly, they're so....yesterday tech.

[cumanzor]

Well put! Kudos!

Ahhh yes, because Safari on the iPhone was the first full web browser in the entire world. :D (protipo: it wasn't)

Unfortunately (or not, depending on your perspective), the market, tech analysts, and users decide the definition of innovation.

Unfortunately you are wrong again. Hype does not translate into innovation.

[cumanzor]

edit: ffs, double post.

[BongoBanger]

And now:

http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/08/17/apples-iphone-3gs-is-no-1-in-japan/

http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/08/17/iphone.3gs.tops.in.japan/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125259938989400063.html

Sure, for a few weeks. Now it's well down the charts.

[leomac08]

hmmmm looks like the palm pre had severe birth defects...:p

[*LTD*]

Sure, for a few weeks. Now it's well down the charts.

Is it? I didn't know that. Can you point me to a link (for end of August, or I guees this month)? My info dates from August 17th. I thought that was the most recent.

[shawnce]

Last I saw stats wise a fairly decent backlog of orders for the iPhone existed in Japan thru the end of August with shipping dates into the September. Not sure if the type of backlog still exists or if ordered but unshipped/delivered phones count in the rankings folks are looking at.

Looking at http://bcnranking.jp/category/subcategory_0010.html it looks like the iPhone is currently at #2 for the week of Sept. 14th (for this store tracker).

[DMann]

Last I saw stats wise a fairly decent backlog of orders for the iPhone existed in Japan thru the end of August with shipping dates into the September. Not sure if the type of backlog still exists or if ordered but unshipped/delivered phones count in the rankings folks are looking at.

Looking at http://bcnranking.jp/category/subcategory_0010.html it looks like the iPhone is currently at #2 for the week of Sept. 14th (for this store tracker).Well, there you have it:

Sure, for a few weeks. Now it's well down the charts.

[hissyfit]

not cute. makes me love my iPhone even more. thank you Apple for raising the bar. iPhone remains untouchable!!!:apple:

[SeaFox]

You morons, read the article. Microsoft didn't design it. They aren't manufacturing it. They're re branding an OEM product, loading on their software and apparently plan on marketing it to teens.

They haven't themselves copied Palm. And they're not aiming for a high-price phone like the iPhone.

They chose the device as the one they're going to make their phone. They didn't design it, but it can hardly be said Microsoft isn't copying Palm. :rolleyes:

It's fatter than the Pre because it has a more bloated O/S. :D

[SmugMac]

Those prototypes look so vanilla and boring.

[BongoBanger]

Last I saw stats wise a fairly decent backlog of orders for the iPhone existed in Japan thru the end of August with shipping dates into the September. Not sure if the type of backlog still exists or if ordered but unshipped/delivered phones count in the rankings folks are looking at.

Looking at http://bcnranking.jp/category/subcategory_0010.html it looks like the iPhone is currently at #2 for the week of Sept. 14th (for this store tracker).

True, however, it's been in and out of the weekly top 10 since launch. The 32GB version is doing reasonably well but, as you mention, it seems most of this appears to be backlog driven and it would be interesting to see fresh demand - BCN's surveys are driven by sales I believe and it's reasonable to assume that the up and down nature of the iPhone's sales are due to product availability.

Do you have links for the August overall placing or GFK's data?

[*LTD*]

You morons, read the article. Microsoft didn't design it. They aren't manufacturing it. They're re branding an OEM product, loading on their software and apparently plan on marketing it to teens.

They haven't themselves copied Palm. And they're not aiming for a high-price phone like the iPhone.

Makes no difference. What you put your logo on is a reflection of the company that owns the logo. As far as the public is concermed, it's a Microsoft phone.

"And it comes from saying no to 1,000 things to make sure we don’t get on the wrong track or try to do too much. We’re always thinking about new markets we could enter, but it’s only by saying no that you can concentrate on the things that are really important."

[Mattie Num Nums]

Hmm. Underneath my Macbook would cost you about $2,000 from HP. Why don't you shop first?

While you're at it, you may want to tell Vista to ALLOW a social life.

I would but I don't own a PC, just a virtual box on my Unibody Aluminum Macbook Pro. I am not a MS fanboy, I am a Mac user, I just am not a fool to the obvious.

[polaris20]

I can say that about 95% of our PC population here (over 15,000 computers) are solid.

Our mac population is around 2000 and its around 85%-90%.

Most of our Mac issues are distorted video, no power, or not waking from sleep.

Most our PC problems are bad HDD or client abuse.

Do you want a cookie?

I don't deal with quite the deployment you do (about 1,000 now for me) but we've had a ton of problems with HP laptops. Their service is quite lacking in comparison to Lenovo as well, which is who we've switched to for laptops. Thinkpads are far better machines than any business HP laptop, IMO.

Personal anecdotes. We both have them.

[powers74]

The thing that gets me, is that MSoft has been heading slowly but surely int hardware in recent years, and as much as they rip off Apple, you'd think they would at least attempt to rip them off right. But the Zune looks nothing like the XBox, looks nothing like this new pink thing looks nothing like the fold-out booklet thingie. Nobody can look at something and say "Oh, hey! that's the new MSoft POS!" If they really wanted to start slapping their name on hardware, it seems like they would want folks to recognize it instantly. But rather it seems like they are just cranking out hardware because they feel like they have to, not because they think they have a great idea or because it makes good business sense or because it's something they are good at. Oh well, I guess that's just MSoft.

[numbersyx]

More competition for the iPhone is a good thing. Shame this isn't it....

[Rampant.A.I.]

looks alot like palm pre. microsoft get your own **** together, instead of stealing others

But that's not their buisiness model.

Their buisiness model is:

1) Shove everybody else out of the market, or buy them out.
2) Re-introduce the exact same previously used designs, with an "innovative" spin. Take credit for the design.
3) Repeat step 1.

[*LTD*]

These won't even run Crysis.

[twoodcc]

all microsoft does is copy others. i hope that this doesn't sell well

[*LTD*]

http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=F2F7C35E-1A64-67EA-E4BC04F120F0B898

http://gizmodo.com/5367358/ballmer-says-they-screwed-up-with-windows-mobile-wishes-they-had-already-launched-wm7

So they're then going to turn around and put that on these phones??

Wow.

(But why admit to it publicly?)

[DMann]

http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=F2F7C35E-1A64-67EA-E4BC04F120F0B898

http://gizmodo.com/5367358/ballmer-says-they-screwed-up-with-windows-mobile-wishes-they-had-already-launched-wm7

So they're then going to turn around and put that on these phones??

Wow.

(But why admit to it publicly?)

Top Ten Reasons:

1) Public attention

2) Sympathy

3) An attempt to garner trust (this has sucked all along, and now, even I'm willing to admit this)

4) Stir up a buzz

5) Set the stage for a big change: "Windows Mobile has been a stinker for years now and Microsoft had better bust out the big guns to get it right with WinMo 7."

6) Downplay the magnitude of change "We've seen a few promising bits [and] previews of Windows Mobile, notably the browser in the Zune HD (it's not perfect, but it bodes well")

7) Developers

8) Developers

9) Developers

10) Developers.....

[DMann]

More Balmmerisms (http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/22552/) dissing the iPhone, and smartphone market.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_kDVy4FBruzk/SWbaWjoJ5lI/AAAAAAAAA7Y/kHapmfgG2zY/microsoft-steve-ballmer_thumb%5B1%5D.jpg

[Oneness]

Looks like a birth control pack.

I may be a little late on this, but..... This is the best quote of the day.

[Flybye]

looks alot like palm pre. microsoft get your own **** together, instead of stealing othersHasn't that been the case since 1985? ;)

[celtikmind]

Pink?

PINK?!

It's black... Meh.

:p

[kdarling]

http://gizmodo.com/5367358/ballmer-says-they-screwed-up-with-windows-mobile-wishes-they-had-already-launched-wm7

My favorite paragraph from that story:

A Microsoft employee (...) recently confirmed via e-mail to Computerworld that he had moved recently from a top Windows Mobile position to director of Microsoft's Macintosh Business Unit.

Gee, that bodes well for future Mac software, eh?

[Bemopti123]

Ick. It's bad enough they make crappy looking software, now they need to make crappy looking phones?

Gosh, another "still born" MicroSoft device.

If one is to look for another software cum phone manufacturer that is stalling check Google's G1. How many people have you seen using that one?

As a previous owner of a SSNG Blackjack, I can recall with less than fond memories the clumsiness of the Microsoft's Windows Mobile, as ridiculous at Microsoft seems in a desktop, the minimization of its software actually amplifies its inadequacies. Oh well, hope Microsoft's retail store goes the way of Gateway's failed retail adventure.

:rolleyes:

[KnightWRX]

If one is to look for another software cum phone manufacturer that is stalling check Google's G1. How many people have you seen using that one?

You mean Android ? G1 was the codename of Google's developer phone. The platform now has deals with Motorola, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, HTC, LG and others to produce phones (many already on the market). Sprint is now getting Android, Verizon is getting Android and of course they launched on T-mobile a while ago, putting them on 3 of the 4 biggest carriers in the state.

In China, 2 of the 3 biggest carriers are going to design platforms around Android (CPhone and OPhone).

Stalling ? They're in full swing.

[polaris20]

You mean Android ? G1 was the codename of Google's developer phone. The platform now has deals with Motorola, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, HTC, LG and others to produce phones (many already on the market). Sprint is now getting Android, Verizon is getting Android and of course they launched on T-mobile a while ago, putting them on 3 of the 4 biggest carriers in the state.

In China, 2 of the 3 biggest carriers are going to design platforms around Android (CPhone and OPhone).

Stalling ? They're in full swing.

Finally saw the Android phone for Verizon; kinda meh, not as nice as the SE you posted. I'll probably still get it though. I wish Verizon would get the Sony.

[xIGmanIx]

ever since apple users felt superior to everything else :rolleyes:

Since when did this site change from macrumors to pcrumors:confused:

[seedster2]

This article has nothing to do with the iPhone. Again this is an entry level device targeting a young demographic much like the sidekick. I'm sure it gives the usuals an opportunity to masturbate over Apple design but this is completely unrelated.

And I disagree with Balmer on the majority of what he says, but he was spot on about the iPhone. If AT&T didn't subsidize the device, it would have languished - especially in this economy. The original iPhone business model was tanking internationally without economic worries.

[Ubuntu]

The tag line should be: "We are Microsoft. We copy others all the time."

Uhh, you realise that practically any company with ambitions, will have to copy others? Microsoft is guilty of it, but so is Apple.

That said, those phones do look hilarious.

[dollar.a.day]

The best thing about this is that they think crap like this can compare to an Iphone.