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MacBytes
Sep 24, 2009, 09:02 AM
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Link: Apple claims iPhone not intended for Business use (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20090924100220)
Description:: "Despite that, buried within the terms and conditions of Apple's site (at least the UK flavor) is a statement saying the iPhone is only intended for personal, non-commercial use. Further, there's at least one report of someone being advised that the iPhone should be sold only to end-users for personal use."

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whooleytoo
Sep 24, 2009, 09:40 AM
"Extra.. Extra.. Customer bitten by clause buried in terms & conditions"

Not exactly a shock, is it? I wouldn't be surprised if most such T&Cs have a "We own your first-born" clause as well.

It's a strange one though; it's been suggested it's due to Apple not wanting to handle VAT payments/exemptions; but they do that all the time on other products. I can't imagine that's the reason.

ashcroft
Sep 24, 2009, 09:56 AM
If the iphone is only to be used by personal customers O2 will surely have to revisit how they currently sell the iphone and drop their business tariffs.

whooleytoo
Sep 24, 2009, 10:01 AM
It's a bizarre situation.. I know a lot of people who bought iPhones for business use; O2 never mentioned it violates the T&Cs.

How does it work if a mobile network provider subsidises and sells a phone in violation of the terms of the manufacturer?

Edit: T&Cs are incomprehensible gibberish to me, but from reading the terms & conditions linked to by The Register, it seems to me it's referring to iTunes content only, not the iPhone itself. It may be a carry-over from when the iTMS had just music & videos, which are obviously only for personal use if you download them. It shouldn't really apply to iPhone apps downloaded..

NT1440
Sep 24, 2009, 10:05 AM
Sounds like its just usual business talk for protecting their asses (like most companies do). If it were truly not meant for business, Apple wouldn't be throwing in all those business supports, talking about them at keynotes, and having all those business apps now would they?

I think they just don't want an IT guy coming in with 50 iphones asking the genius bar to help set up something, that kind of thing.

Arcadie
Sep 24, 2009, 01:48 PM
This might be to protect the profits of the carriers.

For example, lets say AT&T makes $65 per month off of my personal iphone. Assuming AT&T pays $599 per phone, this means they are paying $599 up front to make $1560 over a 2 year contract.

Now assume im a business with 1,000 employees and insted of buying them all blackberry's we want iphones. You are not going to make no were near $65 per iphone with a large company like this but your $599 upfront price remains the same. Lets say AT&T makes only $40 per phone, That means they make only $960 per iphone vs $1560, subtract the cost of the iphone, $599 and your barely making anything over the course of 2 years.

Now if apple says these are for personal and not business, the carries wont have to sell the phones to large business's.

DavieBoy
Sep 24, 2009, 01:54 PM
I think that apple is more against buying the phone under a business name or for your employees.

They obviously want people to use it for their business or they wouldn't send me emails and such talking up "iPhone in Business"

The T & C as I read it is stating that the buyer must be the "end user" and not me buying it for my employees.

wackymacky
Sep 24, 2009, 02:50 PM
Sorry but am I missing something?

Don't the Apple promotional videos taking about how it fits in with your organizations Microsoft Exchange etc.

They clearly were trying to say hey, you can use it as a business capable device.

alphaod
Sep 25, 2009, 03:11 AM
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Category: Apple Services
Link: Apple claims iPhone not intended for Business use (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20090924100220)
Description:: "Despite that, buried within the terms and conditions of Apple's site (at least the UK flavor) is a statement saying the iPhone is only intended for personal, non-commercial use. Further, there's at least one report of someone being advised that the iPhone should be sold only to end-users for personal use."

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So why does AT&T charge more for the enterprise package when it should be included?

northy124
Sep 25, 2009, 09:17 AM
WTH is the Business section for then? why is the iPhone marketed for use with MS Exchange (mainly used in businesses right?) and why do they sell it to business users (the 3G at least, in UK)?

Effing Apple really annoy me sometimes:mad:

pdjudd
Sep 25, 2009, 11:57 AM
why does AT&T charge more for the enterprise package when it should be included?
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Because business tend to have different support agreements with AT&T for billing purposes.

Note, using Exhange or other business functionality does not require a business package

fgfg
Sep 27, 2009, 01:10 AM
wonderful! thanks for the info..

Eraserhead
Sep 29, 2009, 03:20 AM
It could well be a T&C mistake...

rwilliams
Sep 29, 2009, 09:16 AM
Someone in the comments section of that article mentioned that the security on the iPhone is pretty bad compared to a Blackberry. It could be that they're covering their butts in case sensitive data is lost or stolen from someone's phone.

Maccin475
Sep 29, 2009, 04:16 PM
Sorry but am I missing something?

Don't the Apple promotional videos taking about how it fits in with your organizations Microsoft Exchange etc.

They clearly were trying to say hey, you can use it as a business capable device.

Yes, i do recall those commercials. I guess they're trying to lure BB users with such commercials but not really backing up their claims.

rhett7660
Sep 29, 2009, 04:20 PM
I know this is referencing the UK, but what about the commercials. Want to send a package, make a sale, track the package etc? Unless they are just saying this for people who do an occasional ebay sale or something along those lines.

mapsk
Sep 29, 2009, 04:50 PM
If the iphone is only to be used by personal customers O2 will surely have to revisit how they currently sell the iphone and drop their business tariffs.http://www.images-avsforum.com/avs/0/P.jpg

Yeah their tariffs are too expensive as it is

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