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blackfox
Jul 12, 2004, 01:50 PM
From wash. Post
Bush Issues Broad Defense for Iraq War

By Deb Riechmann
The Associated Press
Monday, July 12, 2004; 12:04 PM

OAK RIDGE, Tenn. -- President Bush defended his decision to invade Iraq even as he conceded on Monday that investigators had not found the weapons of mass destruction that he had warned the country possessed.

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Allowing Iraq to possibly transfer weapons capability to terrorists was not a risk he was willing to take, Bush said.

"Although we have not found stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction, we were right to go into Iraq," Bush said after inspecting a display of nuclear weapons parts and equipment, including assembled gas centrifuges for uranium enrichment, from Libya.

The hardware was shipped here in March as part of an agreement with Moammar Gadhafi to end his country's nuclear weapons program.

"We removed a declared enemy of America who had the capability of producing weapons of mass murder and could have passed that capability to terrorists bent on acquiring them. In the world after September 11th, that was a risk we could not afford to take," Bush said.

The president offered a broad new defense of the March 2003 invasion of Iraq three days after the release of a Senate report that harshly criticized unsubstantiated intelligence cited in the run-up to the war in Iraq, a crucial battle in the war on terrorism.

The key U.S. assertions leading to the 2003 invasion of Iraq -- that Saddam Hussein had chemical and biological weapons and was working to make nuclear weapons -- were wrong and based on false or overstated CIA analyses, a scathing Senate Intelligence Committee report asserted Friday.

Intelligence analysts fell victim to "group think" assumptions that Iraq had weapons when it did not, the bipartisan report concluded. Many factors contributing to those failures are ongoing problems within the U.S. intelligence community, which cannot be fixed with more money alone, it said.

Without directly acknowledging the intelligence was flawed, Bush said a wide array of government leaders, from members of the Clinton administration to lawmakers to the U.N. Security Council, had studied the same intelligence and "saw a threat."

During the Clinton administration, official U.S. policy toward Iraq became "regime change" -- a stance that sought the ouster of Saddam Hussein, he noted.

But Saddam refused to open his country to inspections, Bush said.

"So I had a choice to make: either take the word of a madman or defend America. Given that choice I will defend America."

Bush has used similar rhetoric in speeches for months, but the words took on added significance in light of the latest report condemning the Iraq intelligence.

Bush's trip to Tennessee was designed to showcase a victory in his administration's campaign against weapons of mass destruction.

Bush was shown nuclear weapons parts and equipment from Libya, and called them "sobering evidence of a great danger." It was the White House's second effort to shine a spotlight on the Libyan victory. Several months ago, the White House arranged a tour for journalists of the equipment.

Bush said Libya's decision to scrap its nuclear ambitions and do away with its long-range missiles was the result of "quiet diplomacy" by the United States, Great Britain and the Libyan government. But it also was the result of outspoken public denunciations of nations that seek to threaten the world with nuclear and other weapons, he said.

He said the world knows that doing so carries serious consequences and that the "wise course is to abandon those pursuits."

And Bush said his administration was doing everything possible to avert the attacks he said terrorists are now plotting.

So the new "reason" is that left alone, Iraq might have developed weapons and given them to terrorists. It is possible, I suppose...but a case for war?

If that is the standard, however, then why Iraq?

Why not China, who sells weapons and WMD technology to many countries around the world, including the ME.

Why not Iran, which has a history of supporting terrorist movements(to a degree that Iraq has not), and has relatively advanced military capablities and a Fundamentalist Government.

Why not N. Korea, which has Nuclear capabilities and is desperately short on cash, making it attractive for them to sell weapons or weapons technology?

And so on...

It is also interesting to note his comments on Libya (which I could've included above), in which he notes our success in getting them to dismantle their weapons program. This was done by diplomacy, and although GW alludes to the fact that our attack on Iraq gave us leverage on the bargaining table, it is still intersting to note, that diplomacy, so often eschewed by the Administration, got the results we say we need. In my mind, this futher undermines the force of the argument for Military invasion...

Also, Pakistan was mentioned (in the transcript) as a former enemy and supporter of the Taliban...who now have become friends with the US and are working against terrorism. This was also acheived through traditional diplomatic means...which begs the question of why we could not have pursued that avenue w/ Iraq, if we were merely interested in curbing weapons proliferation. After all, Pakistan has a documented history of supplying weapons to what we might call "terrorists".

The above also applies to Saudi Arabia (also mentioned in the transcript of the speech). So what gives here?

I know this is almost old hat, but what say you?



skunk
Jul 12, 2004, 04:48 PM
I say they're grasping at straws. If stopping proliferation was the aim, why didn't they guard the nuclear sites in Iraq? If stopping proliferation was the aim, then Pakistan and N Korea were the obvious targets.

Flex
Jul 12, 2004, 05:11 PM
From wash. Post


So the new "reason" is that left alone, Iraq might have developed weapons and given them to terrorists. It is possible, I suppose...but a case for war?

If that is the standard, however, then why Iraq?

Why not China, who sells weapons and WMD technology to many countries around the world, including the ME.

Why not Iran, which has a history of supporting terrorist movements(to a degree that Iraq has not), and has relatively advanced military capablities and a Fundamentalist Government.

Why not N. Korea, which has Nuclear capabilities and is desperately short on cash, making it attractive for them to sell weapons or weapons technology?

And so on...


Iraq signed an agreement stating among other things that they would show proof of the destruction of their WMD's. They did not do so, thus resumption of the war was warrented since they refused to honor to the peace treaty or surrender agreements that they signed. No other reason is necessary even though plenty of people like myself have other reasons as well.

Flex
Jul 12, 2004, 05:21 PM
Wilson last year launched a public firestorm with his accusations that the administration had manipulated intelligence to build a case for war. He has said that his trip to Niger should have laid to rest any notion that Iraq sought uranium there and has said his findings were ignored by the White House.

Wilson's assertions -- both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information -- were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.

The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address.

Yesterday's report said that whether Iraq sought to buy lightly enriched "yellowcake" uranium from Niger is one of the few bits of prewar intelligence that remains an open question. Much of the rest of the intelligence suggesting a buildup of weapons of mass destruction was unfounded, the report said.

The report turns a harsh spotlight on what Wilson has said about his role in gathering prewar intelligence, most pointedly by asserting that his wife, CIA employee Valerie Plame, recommended him.

The report said Plame told committee staffers that she relayed the CIA's request to her husband, saying, "there's this crazy report" about a purported deal for Niger to sell uranium to Iraq. The committee found Wilson had made an earlier trip to Niger in 1999 for the CIA, also at his wife's suggestion.

The report also said Wilson provided misleading information to The Washington Post last June. He said then that he concluded the Niger intelligence was based on documents that had clearly been forged because "the dates were wrong and the names were wrong."

"Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the 'dates were wrong and the names were wrong' when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports," the Senate panel said. Wilson told the panel he may have been confused and may have "misspoken" to reporters. The documents -- purported sales agreements between Niger and Iraq -- were not in U.S. hands until eight months after Wilson made his trip to Niger.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html
or in other words

Busted: Joe Wilson Lied! -Senate Intelligence Committee

http://www.command-post.org/oped/2_archives/013490.html

The mainstream media is paying little attention to a bombshell in the just-released Senate Intelligence Report on pre-Iraq-war intelligence. The Senate Intelligence Committee basically found that Joe Wilson lied in the course of his histrionics about his trip to Niger, Africa - searching for yellowcake uranium sales to Iraq.

the unbiased mainstream media that is.

skunk
Jul 12, 2004, 06:57 PM
Very interesting links.

takao
Jul 12, 2004, 07:05 PM
found this interview a few minutes ago...quite interesting:

http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/english/0,1518,308317,00.html
(in english this time)
perhaps doesn't fit the thread exactly but it is about iraq

http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/english/0,1518,306166,00.html

and another one....

Sayhey
Jul 12, 2004, 07:08 PM
Very interesting links.

Can you see our Slytron in them?

skunk
Jul 12, 2004, 07:09 PM
Can you see our Slytron in them?
Just a hint :rolleyes: