Tweetie 2.0

[anjinha]

You know that I'm a Twitter addict. I have three accounts with a combined following of about 20,000 people. And I've used every single Twitter app in the App Store.

At the end of the day, I'm always recommending Tweetie - $2.99 worth of app goodness that I've never regretted parting with. While other Twitter apps seem to focus on adding features that bloat the software and make navigation confusing, Tweetie is all about simplicity without sacrificing features.

Now, as I'm happy to be the first to tell you, Tweetie 2 for iPhone is coming soon. Continue reading for lots of information on what this completely rebuilt and revamped app has to offer.

Full article here (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/iphone-therefore-iblog/2009/09/tweetie-2-iphone.html/).

[jbennardo]

Full article here (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/iphone-therefore-iblog/2009/09/tweetie-2-iphone.html/).

I have this.. and looking forward to an update.

[Unspoken Demise]

Wait, is it an update or a whole new app? I was under the impression after reading the article that it was a new app. Am I wrong? Did I miss a sentence?

[rdowns]

It;s an update. Hopefully will crash less than 1.2 does.

[The General]

I really hope that last picture isn't from Tweetie 2.0. Pinstripes are hideous, and so is everything about that screenshot.

It;s an update. Hopefully will crash less than 1.2 does.

If you're using 1.2, you should upgrade to 1.3.1.

[anjinha]

Official announcement from Atebits (http://atebits.cachefly.net/blog/static-bigbird-redux1.html)

Tweetie for iPhone will be a new app afterall, Tweetie for Mac will be a free upgrade though...

[Unspoken Demise]

Official announcement from Atebits (http://atebits.cachefly.net/blog/static-bigbird-redux1.html)

Tweetie for iPhone will be a new app afterall, Tweetie for Mac will be a free upgrade though...

HA! Im not crazy! I'm not!
Im not right? Shhh, of course not, nooo. Shhh...

[jbennardo]

Wow... another $2.99? I liked Tweetie enough to buy it but I'm not sure I want to Re-Buy it :(

[stevearm]

I REALLY hope the simplicity remains, ie. the same 5 tabs at the bottom and quick/easy to use functionality.

[tobefirst]

The app sounds promising, but I'm not too excited about paying again for the application. We'll see if I upgrade or not. Perhaps now is the time to look at another Twitter app?

[jbennardo]

The app sounds promising, but I'm not too excited about paying again for the application. We'll see if I upgrade or not. Perhaps now is the time to look at another Twitter app?

Looks that way...

I used the free version of Twitterific for a while but ended up going with Tweetie because I just liked it a bit better and it got such great reviews from everyone.

[Unspoken Demise]

I just downloaded Tweetie last night, and now I hear of this. Makes me sad, but for all those features, Ill shell out another 3$.

[jbennardo]

I just downloaded Tweetie last night, and now I hear of this. Makes me sad, but for all those features, Ill shell out another 3$.

To be honest I skimmed the article so the update may be worth $3. I'll see when it comes out.

In other more important news, why aren't you following me on Twitter? :p

or are you?:confused:

[Unspoken Demise]

To be honest I skimmed the article so the update may be worth $3. I'll see when it comes out.

In other more important news, why aren't you following me on Twitter? :p

or are you?:confused:
Good question!
Am I?
The answer is no.
Follow me. :D
(search demi twitter thread. I dont want to discuss it out here™)

[str1f3]

The app sounds promising, but I'm not too excited about paying again for the application. We'll see if I upgrade or not. Perhaps now is the time to look at another Twitter app?

I agree that 2.0 products shouldn't have to require an upgrade fee but unless it is worth it and the upgrade is significant. Loren supposedly has been working at this night and day for months and he is a one man team. He just didn't upgrade the code, he's written a new app from the ground up. I'll gladly pay the upgrade price for what I and many considering is the best twitter app out there. I just hope it has the same look and feel of the Mac app.

[mjt2810]

Can be found here, just 'tweeted' ..

http://atebits.cachefly.net/blog/static-bigbird-redux1.html

Tweetie is the only app I keep coming back to, whenever I try an alternative twitter client, none (even TweetDeck) come close. Simple and feature rich.

I don't have an issue with parting a few pennies for the new application if it is of the same quality as Tweetie1.

Just looking forward to the available date.

M.

[yetanotherdave]

It's only $3, but it still makes me feel a bit narked, I've paid for this app, and he wants me to pay again?

And I know I'll buy it too, so I guess it works for him.

[str1f3]

Some more views of the updated UI:

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/28/preview-tweetie-2-takes-the-best-iphone-twitter-app-and-ups-the-sex-appeal/

[Fedorov]

The only bad thing about the AppStore is it's turned almost everybody into cheapskates, I mean seriously it's almost every thread you see on forums these days someone whining that something should me 99 cents or FREE.

Reality check people, most of these QUALITY apps are costing less than a cup of coffee or a pint of beer!

Anyone that has bought and already used Tweetie will know how good the app is at v1.0 and just reading the authors blog shows you how much effort has gone into making v2.0 NOT just a tacky update, it is a whole new version and I'm more than happy to support a great app by a great developer who needs to make a living....

[Zman3001]

You guys do realize that Simply Tweet has all of the features Tweetie 2 has, and one that Tweetie 2 doesn't have, Push Notifications. Plus, the author of Simply Tweet communicates better with the customers all while working very hard on the app, and even lets a lot of users on the betas.

I just think Loren went a bit too far this time, with months of non communication (even after the first twitter failure AND the 3.0 Apple upgrade), and now screwing over the early adopters. There are better alternatives out there, unlike when Tweetie first came out and there was little to no competition as there wasn't anything close.

[Fedorov]

I somewhat agree and should have mentioned that I am a very happy SimplyTweet user as it currently offers so much more than Tweetie - I'll be getting Tweetie 2.0 to compare though, let battle commence...

[sananda]

I was wondering why some of @stephenfry's tweets were coming from Big Bird and so this is it.

[str1f3]

You guys do realize that Simply Tweet has all of the features Tweetie 2 has, and one that Tweetie 2 doesn't have, Push Notifications. Plus, the author of Simply Tweet communicates better with the customers all while working very hard on the app, and even lets a lot of users on the betas.

I just think Loren went a bit too far this time, with months of non communication (even after the first twitter failure AND the 3.0 Apple upgrade), and now screwing over the early adopters. There are better alternatives out there, unlike when Tweetie first came out and there was little to no competition as there wasn't anything close.

I believe that you do get push notifications on Tweetie 2 with the ability to choose which users you want pushed (see TechCrunch link posted earlier). As for the lack of communication, Loren has communicated about it in the first place you would guess: Twitter. He has answered some (not all as you would expect) from various people about how Tweetie 2 was progressing.

As for SimplyTweet, I'm sure it's a great app (like many other twitter apps) but a lot of people enjoy Tweetie. For example I really liked Twitterrific but I found it was not as fast or as easy to use as Tweetie although it had a better GUI. It had a simple interface and allowed you to do what you wanted very quickly.

[Zman3001]

I believe that you do get push notifications on Tweetie 2 with the ability to choose which users you want pushed (see TechCrunch link posted earlier). As for the lack of communication, Loren has communicated about it in the first place you would guess: Twitter. He has answered some (not all as you would expect) from various people about how Tweetie 2 was progressing.

As for SimplyTweet, I'm sure it's a great app (like many other twitter apps) but a lot of people enjoy Tweetie. For example I really liked Twitterrific but I found it was not as fast or as easy to use as Tweetie although it had a better GUI. It had a simple interface and allowed you to do what you wanted very quickly.

You have to compare Loren's "secretive" communications on twitter (i'm following him and saw little to nothing) to the constant and clear twitter updates from the Simply Tweet and Twittelator developers. The tech crunch article is the only one to mention Push. Loren's own website says little to nothing about Push except something confusing about it might be activated later.

The only intriguing feature for me is to link contacts, which is useful for maybe only one or two of my twitter followers as most are people I don't really know in real life. Every other screen shot of Tweetie 2 is something I have seen already from either Simply Tweet or Twittelator. Really, I think the only reason Loren waited so long to update Tweetie was to try and copy features from the newer big twitter client players. As I said, Tweetie was the best hands down and very unique a year ago before 3.0 and before major competition rolled in. But it rested on its award winning laurels, and now it has fallen behind. Tweetie 2 isn't really as innovative as it is playing catchup with the other major twitter clients.

[Kahnyl]

I bought Grand Theft Auto 1 in the ninties and those Rockstar ****ers have been trying to charge me for new versions ever since!

[Eric8199]

I too have tried several other apps and always come back to Tweetie because it works the best. I hope it continues to work as well over Edge with the new version, as that is what makes it win every time for me. The only other app that comes close over edge is Tweetdeck, but I don't want to make a new column every time I search for something on my iPhone. Tweetie is simply the best and I can't wait for the new version, which I will happily pay $3 for.

[str1f3]

You have to compare Loren's "secretive" communications on twitter (i'm following him and saw little to nothing) to the constant and clear twitter updates from the Simply Tweet and Twittelator developers. The tech crunch article is the only one to mention Push. Loren's own website says little to nothing about Push except something confusing about it might be activated later.

The only intriguing feature for me is to link contacts, which is useful for maybe only one or two of my twitter followers as most are people I don't really know in real life. Every other screen shot of Tweetie 2 is something I have seen already from either Simply Tweet or Twittelator. Really, I think the only reason Loren waited so long to update Tweetie was to try and copy features from the newer big twitter client players. As I said, Tweetie was the best hands down and very unique a year ago before 3.0 and before major competition rolled in. But it rested on its award winning laurels, and now it has fallen behind. Tweetie 2 isn't really as innovative as it is playing catchup with the other major twitter clients.

I think you're being way too hard on him. Every developer copies off each other to some small extent as others I'm sure copied Tweetie. I hardly think he was in any way cryptic about his posts but I'm sure others can feel the way you do. As for the push notifications this is another post which shows it working:

http://mashable.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-0/


As for the uniqueness of Tweetie when it first came out, there were already many good Twitter apps that were out at that time that had more features. Tweetie was successful because it was incredibly easy to use and it seemed to be the fastest. Yes the other Twitter apps have caught up and in your view have surpassed Tweetie. I hope that people try out these other apps because they are really good. My preference for Tweetie comes appreciating a very simple and clean UI which is geared towards speed with a modest amount of features. Birdfeed has also become popular using this method.

[Zman3001]

I think you're being way too hard on him. Every developer copies off each other to some small extent as others I'm sure copied Tweetie. I hardly think he was in any way cryptic about his posts but I'm sure others can feel the way you do. As for the push notifications this is another post which shows it working:

http://mashable.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-0/


As for the uniqueness of Tweetie when it first came out, there were already many good Twitter apps that were out at that time that had more features. Tweetie was successful because it was incredibly easy to use and it seemed to be the fastest. Yes the other Twitter apps have caught up and in your view have surpassed Tweetie. I hope that people try out these other apps because they are really good. My preference for Tweetie comes appreciating a very simple and clean UI which is geared towards speed with a modest amount of features. Birdfeed has also become popular using this method.


The "push" screenshot there seems to be explaining the hash tag, not a push alert.

I think the thing that gets me the most about Loren is that, on his twitter, he justifies charging another 3 dollars because he "has the balls to do so." To me, thats not a good reason to screw over your whole user base. I couldn't even use my purchased version of Tweetie for a while and was forced to try other clients such as Simply Tweet and Twittelator pro because they were the first to offer support after the twitter crashes and 3.0. I don't think Loren offered enough updates on the "original" Tweetie to justify making us original users upgrade and pay again. This continues a bad precedent to the App store, that more developers will get greedy and start charging for updates that really should be included with the original purchase. There will be times when there are just so many things that can be done with an app that an "app recreation" is necessary. But, there should be a way for original users to pay only an upgrade fee instead of paying full price. Even Micro$oft does this.

The sad thing is I might end up getting Tweetie 2 if the reviews are good enough. But there is always going to be the thought in my head that, hey, he could do this again next year, and seeing that he justified it this time around because he "had the balls" to do so, means that he probably will. So all you that said you will definitely upgrade, will you say the same thing next year when he does the same thing, and only offers maybe 2 incremental updates over that period of time?

The offending tweet, from @atebits: @maddox Thanks man, hope it goes over well (everybody who's used it thinks it's *more* than worth it). me == balls++; // hope this works

Reply from: Tweetie 2.0 will be a $2.99 paid upgrade. It's about time someone has done this. A totally fair price for a practically full rewrite.

[bozzykid]

This continues a bad precedent to the App store, that more developers will get greedy and start charging for updates that really should be included with the original purchase. There will be times when there are just so many things that can be done with an app that an "app recreation" is necessary. But, there should be a way for original users to pay only an upgrade fee instead of paying full price. Even Micro$oft does this.

How is this greedy? The developer clearly spent a lot of resources in developing a new version and deserves to paid for such work. It isn't his fault Apple doesn't provide an upgrade app option. Because Apple doesn't provide this, he is suppose to give his work away for free? Wow. The arrogance of iPhone users is starting to be pretty apparent.

[spyker3292]

How is this greedy? The developer clearly spent a lot of resources in developing a new version and deserves to paid for such work. It isn't his fault Apple doesn't provide an upgrade app option. Because Apple doesn't provide this, he is suppose to give his work away for free? Wow. The arrogance of iPhone users is starting to be pretty apparent.


So true. :)

[Appdict]

Tweetie 2.0 for iPhone is an update to the current Tweetie, but since it is basically completely new, the update will be full price.

[Eminemdrdre00]

I've always thought Tweetie was very overrated. It hasnt been updated in months, and apps like Endofon & SimplyTweet are way ahead of it! Now he's asking users to pay twice...not cool.

[Eminemdrdre00]

Tweetie 2.0 for iPhone is an update to the current Tweetie, but since it is basically completely new, the update will be full price.

No its not. Its a new app.

[Compile 'em all]

This continues a bad precedent to the App store, that more developers will get greedy and start charging for updates that really should be included with the original purchase.

Greedy?

You want loren to continue working hard for FREE to add new features till the end of time just cause you paid 3$?

you guys are un-****in-believable.

[ob81]

While charging again may seem kind of low. Apparently they added tons of new features, that make it sort of different from the original version. With the basic information I have about users that frequent the app store, I would charge more money as well. People that bought the first one, will be buying the second one also.

[HellToupee]

I really like SimplyTweet but might have to buy Tweetie 2.0 when its released because it looks real slick

[Lara F]

I think the thing that gets me the most about Loren is that, on his twitter, he justifies charging another 3 dollars because he "has the balls to do so." To me, thats not a good reason to screw over your whole user base. I couldn't even use my purchased version of Tweetie for a while and was forced to try other clients such as Simply Tweet and Twittelator pro because they were the first to offer support after the twitter crashes and 3.0.

Apple sat on the twitpocalypse fix for a good 2-3 weeks before finally approving. I hardly believe Loren should be blamed for that.

[Zman3001]

Greedy?

You want loren to continue working hard for FREE to add new features till the end of time just cause you paid 3$?

you guys are un-****in-believable.

Its 3 dollars for an effing iPhone app. God, its people like you who are to blame for the state of our economy, wasting money. I don't buy Starbucks coffee daily like most people, I save my money. I'm in law school, and I know the value of a dollar, unlike all you teenie boppers who waste money left and right. "Ooooh I need to spend more of mommy and daddys money, 500 dollars on ANOTHER new ipod or iphone because the one I bought last year sucks now." Really? And then spending 3 dollars TWICE...FOR THE SAME DAMN APP?!? If you're really intent on throwing away your money, i'll take it.

Anyone that is developing apps for the iPhone expecting to make a living that way SHOULD be disappointed. Theres no way you should make a living selling these apps for this platform. Its an on the side business AT BEST. You zombies make me laugh.

When anyone buys software for any platform, they should expect that that software will continue to be supported. The LEAST he could have done was offer owners of 1.0 a discount, send them all back 2 bucks each. Or make it cheaper for a day.

Just makes me laugh how you all are ready to waste "hard earned" money...even though the bulk of you spending it probably didn't earn it.

[Zman3001]

Apple sat on the twitpocalypse fix for a good 2-3 weeks before finally approving. I hardly believe Loren should be blamed for that.

Yet he gladly took their awards. Its not like he included anything else in the upgrades, not even tested on 3.0. Shows he didn't care about being ready for either event.

[Eric8199]

This forum is filled with spoiled rotten little brats. Don't like what he's charging for it, don't buy it. It's pretty simple. I'll buy it as soon as it's released. You can go buy some other Twitter app. If you bought Tweetie at $2.99 already, and then you bought some other app, most of which are $4.99, you've already "wasted" more money than you would have had you just bought the new app. And really, Tweetie hasn't needed a bunch of major updates, because to me, for what I use it for, its still the best one out there WITHOUT numerous updates.

And to the person saying you don't waste your money and you value a buck, blah blah blah, oh stop. I've got plenty of money myself, none of which came from "mommy and daddy." I buy mac products and I am a frequent customer of the App Store. It's not making me go broke. And I did terrible in economics when I went to school, but even I can tell you that if you think me buying things is BAD for the economy, then you probably should have paid a little more attention in that class.

But in the end it's pretty easy. Don't like it, don't buy it. I buy new versions of software all the time, for a lot more money than $2.99. I suppose if you have Adobe Creative Suite, you feel you're obligated to receive CS2, CS3, CS4 for free too. It's the self-righteous, I deserve everything, you deserve nothing, me, me, me people that are destroying our economy, not the people buying a $2.99 app. Think before you speak...or type.

[Zman3001]

This forum is filled with spoiled rotten little brats. Don't like what he's charging for it, don't buy it. It's pretty simple. I'll buy it as soon as it's released. You can go buy some other Twitter app. If you bought Tweetie at $2.99 already, and then you bought some other app, most of which are $4.99, you've already "wasted" more money than you would have had you just bought the new app. And really, Tweetie hasn't needed a bunch of major updates, because to me, for what I use it for, its still the best one out there WITHOUT numerous updates.

And to the person saying you don't waste your money and you value a buck, blah blah blah, oh stop. I've got plenty of money myself, none of which came from "mommy and daddy." I buy mac products and I am a frequent customer of the App Store. It's not making me go broke. And I did terrible in economics when I went to school, but even I can tell you that if you think me buying things is BAD for the economy, then you probably should have paid a little more attention in that class.

But in the end it's pretty easy. Don't like it, don't buy it. I buy new versions of software all the time, for a lot more money than $2.99. I suppose if you have Adobe Creative Suite, you feel you're obligated to receive CS2, CS3, CS4 for free too. It's the self-righteous, I deserve everything, you deserve nothing, me, me, me people that are destroying our economy, not the people buying a $2.99 app. Think before you speak...or type.


I had to spend money for Twittelator because Tweetie didn't work when upgrading to 3.0. In fact, Tweetie's description doesn't say it is 3.0 ready at all. I think everyone deserves an app that actually works. Its still broken, mostly due to his lack of updates.

So I guess i'll email him and demand a refund and report the app to Apple.

If you pay for something, you expect it to work or at least the seller to do his or her best to please the customer. Warranty of merchantability, if you sell something you are obligated to stand behind your product. As for the other companies who update their products, such as Microsoft and Adobe, they have UPGRADE prices, rather than making everyone pay full price for the same thing. Even Apple has upgrade prices for certain apps. Take your own advice, think before you type. The overall point is if you sell something, you should be forced to stand by your product, and not be able to abandon your customer base.

[Zman3001]

Clearly i'm not the only one ticked off by this. This is from Loren's own web site. http://getsatisfaction.com/atebits/topics/tweetie_2_should_be_a_free_upgrade

http://getsatisfaction.com/atebits/topics/purchasing_obselecence

[wingnut8]

Wirelessly posted (iPhone 3GS: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7C144 Safari/528.16)

Maybe he should just make it ad supported and free for everyone!!

It's $3. Get over it people.

[bozzykid]

Anyone that is developing apps for the iPhone expecting to make a living that way SHOULD be disappointed. Theres no way you should make a living selling these apps for this platform.

If that were the case, then the developer community for the iPhone would fall apart. If there were no way to monetize apps on the iPhone, why would these companies throw resources into it? They wouldn't and the amount of innovation on the iPhone would not exist like it does today.

[str1f3]

Clearly i'm not the only one ticked off by this. This is from Loren's own web site. http://getsatisfaction.com/atebits/topics/tweetie_2_should_be_a_free_upgrade

http://getsatisfaction.com/atebits/topics/purchasing_obselecence

I'm not being sarcastic but at what point do you believe that a developer has the right to charge an upgrade price for an app? So far I have heard people also compalin about the Simplify Music app. I don't see anyone complain when Apple charges $80 every year for minor updates to iWork and iLife. Adobe release minor updates in their latest release of CS and charges hundreds of dollars.

I'm not saying that it's always right for the developer to charge an upgrade price. For example there is very little reason for Agile to charge the price it does for 1Password Pro when it currently only offers a minor upgrade on what was a free app. It is supposed to have more features in the future but the price is supposed to go up as well.

Loren completely rewrote the app from the ground up (not just added features) and the pool is not infinite for the number of people willing to purchase a Twitter app in the App Store.

[Eric8199]

I had to spend money for Twittelator because Tweetie didn't work when upgrading to 3.0. In fact, Tweetie's description doesn't say it is 3.0 ready at all. I think everyone deserves an app that actually works. Its still broken, mostly due to his lack of updates.

So I guess i'll email him and demand a refund and report the app to Apple.

If you pay for something, you expect it to work or at least the seller to do his or her best to please the customer. Warranty of merchantability, if you sell something you are obligated to stand behind your product. As for the other companies who update their products, such as Microsoft and Adobe, they have UPGRADE prices, rather than making everyone pay full price for the same thing. Even Apple has upgrade prices for certain apps. Take your own advice, think before you type. The overall point is if you sell something, you should be forced to stand by your product, and not be able to abandon your customer base.

I use Tweetie daily on 3.1, and it works great. The only issues I've had for it have been issues every other Twitter app had as well. They've all been fixed bthe only issue I have with Tweetie right now is no push (have boxcar for that, but Tweetie 2 will fix that) and the fact that photos don't rotate into landscape like they do in Echofon. Neither of those are bugs. Everything else works fine on my 3GS. So I'm not sure which problems you're speaking of. I'm a journalist and use Tweetie/Twitter constantly all day long. No issues here, and for my uses it's miles ahead of any other Twitter app in it's current form.

[Small White Car]

The VAST majority of software for desktop computers charges for every year's new version. Usually something between $20 and $300 depending on the software.

And I see people here complaining about a $3 upgrade? Are you frick'n kidding me? Are you all still running iLife 2? Photoshop 6?

Geez...

And oh, yes, iPhone developers are allowed to make money in 2009 but then never again. Yeah, that'll keep them working on updates forever. :rolleyes: Some of you people are unbelievable.

[Mew2468]

Heh, I've been waiting to get Tweetie, and now Tweetie 2 is coming out. Lucky me :D.

[ihonda]

um... wow everyone is having a heart attack over a twitter app? get a life people.. seriously.

im sure some of you will attempt to bad mouth me because im calling you out on your lameness, go tweet about it maybe someone will care, its unlikely but you never know.

[Manic Mouse]

Grow up. The whole lot of you. I'm deadly serious. This guy spent months re-writing the app from the ground up, quit his job to do so and you guys expect him to give it away? I suppose you expect every new version of iLife or OSX to be a free upgrade too? Thought not.

It's $3. Three freaking bucks. A coffee. Less than a trip to the cinema. That wouldn't even buy you a McDonalds.

I'm glad Loren did this, and I'm more than happy to pay. I use Tweetie multiple times a day, and would be willing to pay a whole lot more for it than the price of a coffee.

The sheer stupidity, miserliness and ignorance in these whiners is astounding. If you have the time to complain about a $3 upgrade to a piece of software you use daily you are either an ignoramus or are destitute. Take your pick.

[Kahnyl]

um... wow everyone is having a heart attack over a twitter app? get a life people.. seriously.

im sure some of you will attempt to bad mouth me because im calling you out on your lameness, go tweet about it maybe someone will care, its unlikely but you never know.

Because posting on a message board is much better?

[apporacle]

Grow up. The whole lot of you. I'm deadly serious. This guy spent months re-writing the app from the ground up, quit his job to do so and you guys expect him to give it away? I suppose you expect every new version of iLife or OSX to be a free upgrade too? Thought not.

It's $3. Three freaking bucks. A coffee. Less than a trip to the cinema. That wouldn't even buy you a McDonalds.

I'm glad Loren did this, and I'm more than happy to pay. I use Tweetie multiple times a day, and would be willing to pay a whole lot more for it than the price of a coffee.

The sheer stupidity, miserliness and ignorance in these whiners is astounding. If you have the time to complain about a $3 upgrade to a piece of software you use daily you are either an ignoramus or are destitute. Take your pick.

Couldn´t have said it better, great post!

[opticalserenity]

I don't have a problem paying for good software.

It's $2.99.. Really folks? REALLY?

You're going to spend $40 / month on data...

probably $300 on gasoline

$100 on coffee...

and yet, $2.99 for 12 months of use, and you're going to lose sleep over it? That's less than a PENNY A DAY!

I'm always amazed at the people who spend $20 on a DVD they'll watch once, or $60 on a video game they'll play for a month, or even $8 for a margarita... but yet, $2.99 is too much?

Tweetie 2 has been in development for many many months. Can you imagine going to work for months on end for a product that will sell for $2.99?

[dalvin200]

from the Tech Crunch (http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/28/preview-tweetie-2-takes-the-best-iphone-twitter-app-and-ups-the-sex-appeal/) article:

He doesn’t give away too many details, but there are features such as syncing between the iPhone and Mac version. That will be a free upgrade if you already have a license for Tweetie for the Mac

this by far is reason for me to upgrade... yay!!

Tweetie will finally make it back to my homescreen after being dismissed by BirdFeed and then Twitterific 2.

Sacrifice a coffee... easily done! Loren is a great guy who deserves the credibility.

[ctt1wbw]

I somewhat agree and should have mentioned that I am a very happy SimplyTweet user as it currently offers so much more than Tweetie - I'll be getting Tweetie 2.0 to compare though, let battle commence...

I'm the same. I have about 20 twitter clients for the iPhone and SimplyTweet is the only one on my home screen. It already has all the features that Tweetie 2 is talking about.

I'll buy Tweetie 2 just to do a comparison.

[HellToupee]

I'm the same. I have about 20 twitter clients for the iPhone and SimplyTweet is the only one on my home screen. It already has all the features that Tweetie 2 is talking about.

I'll buy Tweetie 2 just to do a comparison.

same here. I really like SimplyTweet but for $2.99 I'll give Tweetie 2.0 a spin seeing tgat it added conversation viewing.

I don't get all the pissing & moaning by people who were happy w/Tweetie 1

[AHDuke99]

$3 in the long run isn't much. It's what, the same price as a coffee? Just skip it one morning if it means that much to you!

[anjinha]

$3 in the long run isn't much. It's what, the same price as a coffee? Just skip it one morning if it means that much to you!

I don't mind paying $2.99 for Tweetie at all, I love Tweetie. But this mindset that everyone buys $3 coffee every morning has to stop. Coffee here costs less than $1 and I rarely have it anyway.

[kicko]

it has nothing to do with coffee or $3. I think the idea here is that if you bought the app all updates would be free. If i were the developer i wold make the current app .99 and gear up for the $3 new app.

[Warbrain]

I don't mind paying $2.99 for Tweetie at all, I love Tweetie. But this mindset that everyone buys $3 coffee every morning has to stop. Coffee here costs less than $1 and I rarely have it anyway.

Exactly. My 24 oz coffee costs me 99 cents. I'm not some yuppie drinking lattes from Starbucks.

I would be happy if atebits introduced the app at 99 cents for the first 24 hours and then upped it back to 3. I think he'd see more sales than ever before.

[nutmac]

For those that have purchased Tweetie 1.x awhile back, paying $2.99 for 2.0 is easier to accept. If you had purchased Tweetie 1.x within the last month, however, paying $2.99 again would be less reasonable.

Add to the fact that Tweetie 2.0 lacks one feature many users want the most, push notification, I think it's natural for many to balk at the price tag. Better solution would've been free upgrade to 2.0 with in-app purchase option for push notification.

[Warbrain]

For those that have purchased Tweetie 1.x awhile back, paying $2.99 for 2.0 is easier to accept. If you had purchased Tweetie 1.x within the last month, however, paying $2.99 again would be less reasonable.

Add to the fact that Tweetie 2.0 lacks one feature many users want the most, push notification, I think it's natural for many to balk at the price tag. Better solution would've been free upgrade to 2.0 with in-app purchase option for push notification.

Has it been determined that push doesn't come with 2.0? I know it's been back and forth as to whether or not it has it.

[nutmac]

Has it been determined that push doesn't come with 2.0?

2.0 does NOT have push notification.

[cytoxyn]

I don't see the big deal about the $2.99 price tag. Tweetie is a great app. It simplifies the tweeting process and offers great features like nearby and trends.

i must admit that I switched to the Tweetdeck's iPhone app for a while, but after a some time I missed a lot of the features that Tweetie offered that Tweetdeck did not and switched back. I just wish that I was using a Mac to take advantage of the desktop client that tweetie offers.

[Randman]

1) You don't need to upgrade to Tweetie 2.0.

2) The Mac desktop upgrade will be free.

3) You didn't have to upgrade to 3GS from an older iPhone.

4) $2.99 is nothing to support the best Twitter app for the iPhone platform.

5) People like to b1tch about anything.

[wingnut8]

2.0 does NOT have push notification.
according to the techcrunch review it does.

[Unspoken Demise]

according to the techcrunch review it does.

Link please? (sorry, im at work. I dont like searching a lot here. Im sure you understand)

[nutmac]

according to the techcrunch review it does.

You mean this review (http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/28/preview-tweetie-2-takes-the-best-iphone-twitter-app-and-ups-the-sex-appeal/)?
Notifications — Yes, you can now get Push Notifications for specific users’ tweets on your device. [Update: My bad, these are not Push Notifications, but rather a way to toggle on and off the SMS notifications that Twitter sends.]

[Zman3001]

You mean this review (http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/28/preview-tweetie-2-takes-the-best-iphone-twitter-app-and-ups-the-sex-appeal/)?

Quote:
Notifications — Yes, you can now get Push Notifications for specific users’ tweets on your device. [Update: My bad, these are not Push Notifications, but rather a way to toggle on and off the SMS notifications that Twitter sends.]

I guess when Tweetie 3 comes out, probably next year, it will have true push notifications. And Tweetie 3 will cost 5 dollars for everyone, because its a brand new app. And then the year after that, it will be Tweetie 4, a brand new app yet again. But what about Tweetie 2 and 3? Oh they've been abandoned. You paid for an app that will be just thrown by the wayside.

Oh, and I forgot, in between Twitter is going to change stuff around, go through a few more twitpocalipses. While all that is going on, all the other major twitter apps will release incremental fixes so you can go about using the app you paid for correctly without bugs. Loren on the other hand will be too busy working on a whole new app, discarding Tweetie 2 just like he did with Tweetie 1, to care about maintaining the original app that so many paid for. Heck, by then Apple will have released 4.0, and Tweetie 2 won't be ready for it, just like Tweetie 1 still isn't said to be 3.0 ready.

I don't mind paying for an app that a developer truly SUPPORTS with constant fixes and performance upgrades. You're all right, its 3 dollars, and a GOOD developer who continues to SUPPORT his app does deserve that. What I do mind is a developer who says he was too busy to work on said fixes and performance upgrades on the original app because he is creating a whole new version of an app you already bought.

It took Loren so long to come up with a fix for the first twitpocalapse, and thats not counting the time Apple sat on it, then rejected it, then finally approved it. In that time, the developers of Simply Tweet and Twittelator had several fixes done, submitted, and approved.

In all, if he does this once, whats stopping him from doing it again and again? Whats stopping him from releasing Tweetie 2 and then abandoning it just like he did Tweetie 1. There is something to be said for a developer who can feel good about not wanting to support his original app anymore.

[IronLogik]

He has mentioned that the problem isn't with providing upgrade costs it's about Apple not PROVIDING a method to do so.

You people don't seem to understand (not just the original poster i'm responding to but everyone) that Apple does NOT provide upgrade pricing on the App Store.

You can't for example put an app up on the store in June 2009 for $2.99, then when version 2 is ready allow for people who purchased version 1 to pay $.99 for an upgrade and other non-upgrades $2.99. You can only do 2 things. 1) Make the upgrade free for all users who previously purchased or 2) make a new app and charge a price for it.

You can't provide upgrade pricing on the app store. Don't like it? Call apple and complain. Don't complain about the developer not providing upgrade pricing. He has absolutely no way to do it. Apple is the one charging us, and the developer has no choice but to provide a price for the app.

Maybe with App Store 3.0 we'll see what most developers want. Upgrade pricing. Until then, bitch at apple.

It makes no sense for him to make it free. It's his job. He makes a living off Tweetie. So he needs to make money somehow. Giving it free to all users would mean all the work he put into Tweetie 2 was just to say thanks to all you who bought the first app. yea, it'd be nice. But seriously, how reasonable is that? It's almost like saying that if you have someone mow your lawn one week, they should do it for free the next week just because you're such a great customer.

Yes, I'd be somewhat pissed if I had purchased version 1 within the past month. But the rest of you schmucks have no reason to be pissed off. You either upgrade or you don't. Simple as that. But again, don't think it's Loren's fault. It's Apple's for not allowing upgrade pricing.

Quote:
Notifications — Yes, you can now get Push Notifications for specific users’ tweets on your device. [Update: My bad, these are not Push Notifications, but rather a way to toggle on and off the SMS notifications that Twitter sends.]

I guess when Tweetie 3 comes out, probably next year, it will have true push notifications. And Tweetie 3 will cost 5 dollars for everyone, because its a brand new app. And then the year after that, it will be Tweetie 4, a brand new app yet again. But what about Tweetie 2 and 3? Oh they've been abandoned. You paid for an app that will be just thrown by the wayside.

Oh, and I forgot, in between Twitter is going to change stuff around, go through a few more twitpocalipses. While all that is going on, all the other major twitter apps will release incremental fixes so you can go about using the app you paid for correctly without bugs. Loren on the other hand will be too busy working on a whole new app, discarding Tweetie 2 just like he did with Tweetie 1, to care about maintaining the original app that so many paid for. Heck, by then Apple will have released 4.0, and Tweetie 2 won't be ready for it, just like Tweetie 1 still isn't said to be 3.0 ready.

I don't mind paying for an app that a developer truly SUPPORTS with constant fixes and performance upgrades. You're all right, its 3 dollars, and a GOOD developer who continues to SUPPORT his app does deserve that. What I do mind is a developer who says he was too busy to work on said fixes and performance upgrades on the original app because he is creating a whole new version of an app you already bought.

It took Loren so long to come up with a fix for the first twitpocalapse, and thats not counting the time Apple sat on it, then rejected it, then finally approved it. In that time, the developers of Simply Tweet and Twittelator had several fixes done, submitted, and approved.

In all, if he does this once, whats stopping him from doing it again and again? Whats stopping him from releasing Tweetie 2 and then abandoning it just like he did Tweetie 1. There is something to be said for a developer who can feel good about not wanting to support his original app anymore.

[Daremo]

http://1000awesomethings.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/crying_baby.jpg

:D

[opticalserenity]

Personally I wish the minimum price for an app was $10 so that sorry moron losers would go to Android, WM, Blackberry, etc and leave the rest of us intelligent people alone.

[nutmac]

Personally I wish the minimum price for an app was $10 so that sorry moron losers would go to Android, WM, Blackberry, etc and leave the rest of us intelligent people alone.

So if I buy an app, only to see it updated less than a month later, new version still missing a key feature (push notification) found on many competing apps, and I pay the full price to upgrade... I become intelligent? If I don't, I become a moron?

[Compile 'em all]

So if I buy an app, only to see it updated less than a month later, new version still missing a key feature (push notification) found on many competing apps, and I pay the full price to upgrade... I become intelligent? If I don't, I become a moron?

GO COMPLAIN TO APPLE.

Apple doesn't provide devs with a mechanism for paid "upgrades". So the only alternative is to make a new app and charge the same. When done properly, an upgrade to 2.0 would cost may be 0.99 or 1.99 and if you are just buying the app for the first time it is 2.99$. This can't be done now. The dev either have to make a new app, or give the upgrade for free.

[anjinha]

So if I buy an app, only to see it updated less than a month later, new version still missing a key feature (push notification) found on many competing apps, and I pay the full price to upgrade... I become intelligent? If I don't, I become a moron?

If it's so bad you don't have to buy it. But if you bought Tweetie 1 you thought it was worth it. If it was worth it yesterday, it's still worth it today. If you think Tweetie 2 is worth it, buy it, if not, don't buy it! It's that simple.

I wish it was a free upgrade too but I do think the features it has make it totally worth it.

[nutmac]

If it's so bad you don't have to buy it. But if you bought Tweetie 1 you thought it was worth it. If it was worth it yesterday, it's still worth it today. If you think Tweetie 2 is worth it, buy it, if not, don't buy it! It's that simple.
The whole "don't buy it if you don't want it" argument is anti-consumer talk. If I buy something, only to have it superseded shortly, I should be entitled to free upgrade. And in the software industry, it is a known practice to offer discounted upgrade to existing users.

GO COMPLAIN TO APPLE.
Yes, Apple's App Store does not have flexible payment arrangement. But I think it is more appropriate for the developers to raise the alarm, not the consumers. After all, you don't expect restaurant patrons to complain to the building owner for raising the restaurant's rent.

And as I suggested earlier, there is a loophole. Offer the upgrade for free to existing users, but charge a fee for certain new features (via in-app purchase). It's too bad Tweetie 2.0 lacks push notification, as that would be an ideal feature to charge extra.

[Zman3001]

If it's so bad you don't have to buy it. But if you bought Tweetie 1 you thought it was worth it. If it was worth it yesterday, it's still worth it today. If you think Tweetie 2 is worth it, buy it, if not, don't buy it! It's that simple.

I wish it was a free upgrade too but I do think the features it has make it totally worth it.

See this is what everyone keeps harping on, but everyone glances over my point.

What if he keeps making Tweetie "new" apps and keeps abandoning his old apps. He didn't make that many improvements to Tweetie 1, and waited a long while before even submitting a fix for the twitocalapse (and then apple sat on it and rejected it before it was finally approved). Like it is stated in the reviews, this Tweetie doesn't have push. How would you feel if he suddenly said oh Tweetie 3 will have push, its a whole new app again, pay me again. Its just not a good precedent to come up with, it looks a whole lot like Apple. Oh 2.0 will have copy paste...no wait, 3.0 will actually. And for iPod Touch users, they did have to pay.

I get it, you all want to support developers. I agree. But, i'd like to support a developer who supports his apps and customers back. If Tweetie 2 is abandoned just as soon as Tweetie 1 was and without many fixes or feature improvements, it sends a message to developers that hey you can be a lazy POS with your app, but as long as its advertised well and people blindly follow you, you can do whatever you want and treat your customers like complete crap. Heck, Tweetie 1 still isn't 100% working, and it STILL doesn't say it is 3.0 tested or supported. If he actually addressed the problems with Tweetie 1 without making everyone go out and buy a new app, i'd be satisfied.

[amorya]

The whole "don't buy it if you don't want it" argument is anti-consumer talk. If I buy something, only to have it superseded shortly, I should be entitled to free upgrade.

Utter bollocks. The only time the user is entitled to a free upgrade is for bug fixes, nothing more.

Anything else is up to the developer. Of course, the more stuff they give their customers for free, the higher the consumer satisfaction, which is always good. But it's up to the dev how much income they're willing to forego to obtain that.

I went to a talk by Wil Shipley where he advised to never give away major upgrades of your app. The reasoning is, why should significant new features, which cost a lot of money to develop, not bring in any money in return? If every upgrade to every app was free, a wise developer would release 1.0, fix some bugs, then turn to making a brand new app, because that way they'd get some more income.

I'm working on an iphone app now. I took out a £12,000 loan (about $20k) to fund its development. Good software costs money to make, and the iPhone marketplace is not a goldmine. So let's have less of the attitude that developers don't deserve to be paid for their work.

(Incidentally, I may end up giving away free upgrades of my app, since eventually it's going to tie in with a mac version and an online service. If enough people start buying those, I won't need to charge upgrades on the iPhone app, which would be nice. Luckily, on the Mac, there's no expectation that major upgrades are free!)

Amorya

[opticalserenity]

So if I buy an app, only to see it updated less than a month later, new version still missing a key feature (push notification) found on many competing apps, and I pay the full price to upgrade... I become intelligent? If I don't, I become a moron?

If the app is $50, then you may have a point. As for the "missing a key feature..." you're the one who bought it, no one, including the bunny with the pancake on it's head, forced you.

[cocky jeremy]

lol. Crying about $3 while most of us buy $2000 Macs? It’s $3, calm down. It has a lot of new features. Almost all software charges for upgrades on new, major releases. Big deal. :rolleyes:

[Prospekt]

I've just gotten bored with tweetie and the lack of updates. I'll definitely look at tweetie 2 when it's finally released but I've been using tweetpocket lately and enjoy it.

[str1f3]

I've just gotten bored with tweetie and the lack of updates. I'll definitely look at tweetie 2 when it's finally released but I've been using tweetpocket lately and enjoy it.

I say this not to be offensive because I do understand somewhat of where you're coming from. Tweetie (as any app on any platform) is merely a means to an end. You're not supposed to be bored by any app and should only feel if it's right for your needs. It sounds like if you're bored more so with Twitter which I am sometimes also. If you mean it did not have the features that you needed, I understand you switching to another app (as I've thought about).

[ntrigue]

I'm a Twitterrific user and Tweetie owner. I will gladly pay for UI. In fact, I'm almost as bad as TheSpaz when it comes to design.

[garethjs]

Is there confirmation there is no push?

[jimmy83]

How do you view conversations in the current version of tweetie?

[The General]

Is there confirmation there is no push?

No push.

How do you view conversations in the current version of tweetie?

You don't.

[RED™]

I am really tempted to buy it when it comes out (I actually almost bought it before knowing of 2.0 and thankfully clicked on cancel) but I'm using Twitteriffic premium now which I love - tricky tricky :p

[jimmy83]

No push.



You don't.

So when someone asks a question, how do you view peoples replies?

[Kahnyl]

All I've seen are "In reply to.." buttons in replies.

[IronLogik]

The whole "don't buy it if you don't want it" argument is anti-consumer talk. If I buy something, only to have it superseded shortly, I should be entitled to free upgrade. And in the software industry, it is a known practice to offer discounted upgrade to existing users.


Yes, Apple's App Store does not have flexible payment arrangement. But I think it is more appropriate for the developers to raise the alarm, not the consumers. After all, you don't expect restaurant patrons to complain to the building owner for raising the restaurant's rent.

And as I suggested earlier, there is a loophole. Offer the upgrade for free to existing users, but charge a fee for certain new features (via in-app purchase). It's too bad Tweetie 2.0 lacks push notification, as that would be an ideal feature to charge extra.

First. Developers HAVE talked to Apple. They're doing it all the time. Last I heard Loren did talk to Apple. Since he's a former Apple employee he talked to the people he knows to see if or when this might be added. I think it will be added in the next major App Store update. It's something most developers want so they can keep it consistent with their desktop applications. You're reading a forum... populated by consumers... read the developer blogs and you'll see plenty of talk about how the App Store needs "upgrades." Daring Fireball had a TON of posts about various devs discussing the changes they wanted to see to the App Store. Just because the stuff isn't mentioned on TUAW or MacRumors doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Push is garbage for Twitter. Why don't people just get over it. Seriously. You guys seriously love to be bugged nonstop throughout the day with push notifications? The idea is to make life easier, not harder. I don't think many people want to be hounded throughout the day for twitter ****. I think the few people who do want it are just causing a lot of complaints to roll in for it. Most people don't grasp how bad it would be to have push, even just for direct messages. It's a worthless thing. Just have it email you when you get a new message.

See this is what everyone keeps harping on, but everyone glances over my point.

What if he keeps making Tweetie "new" apps and keeps abandoning his old apps. He didn't make that many improvements to Tweetie 1, and waited a long while before even submitting a fix for the twitocalapse (and then apple sat on it and rejected it before it was finally approved). Like it is stated in the reviews, this Tweetie doesn't have push. How would you feel if he suddenly said oh Tweetie 3 will have push, its a whole new app again, pay me again. Its just not a good precedent to come up with, it looks a whole lot like Apple. Oh 2.0 will have copy paste...no wait, 3.0 will actually. And for iPod Touch users, they did have to pay.

I get it, you all want to support developers. I agree. But, i'd like to support a developer who supports his apps and customers back. If Tweetie 2 is abandoned just as soon as Tweetie 1 was and without many fixes or feature improvements, it sends a message to developers that hey you can be a lazy POS with your app, but as long as its advertised well and people blindly follow you, you can do whatever you want and treat your customers like complete crap. Heck, Tweetie 1 still isn't 100% working, and it STILL doesn't say it is 3.0 tested or supported. If he actually addressed the problems with Tweetie 1 without making everyone go out and buy a new app, i'd be satisfied.

Apple dropped the ball on the Twitpocalypse issue. He submitted it as soon as he had a fix, it took weeks for apple to approve the new app. NOT the developers fault. Stop playing the blame game.

And what's with the idea that an app needs to be continually "updated" along the 1.x or 2.x path? What's to say it should merely consist of bug fixes, not new features? You people are spoiled because certain developers release a product early and iterate on it. Some developers may choose to not do that. It does not ENTITLE you to getting a ton of 1.x or 2.x upgrades with new features.

[opticalserenity]

First off, I'm embarrassed that people are quibbling over $2.99..

The reason that on the desktop market you get upgrades is because apps cost much more. When you buy Adobe CS4 do you expect to get CS5 for free? If you don't know how much CS4 Master costs, go to newegg.. The reason you get an upgrade price is because it's thousands of dollars, not $2.99.

This is $2.99, what kind of discount do you expect? $0.25 off?

Please go use free twitter clients, so the rest of us can pay him what he deserves and makes us a good app.

[nutmac]

First off, I'm embarrassed that people are quibbling over $2.99..

The reason that on the desktop market you get upgrades is because apps cost much more. When you buy Adobe CS4 do you expect to get CS5 for free? If you don't know how much CS4 Master costs, go to newegg.. The reason you get an upgrade price is because it's thousands of dollars, not $2.99.
Let me repeat once more. I am not quibbling over $2.99. I purchased Tweetie 2.0 few weeks ago and my principle says I should get the upgrade free of charge. If I had purchased Tweetie since day 1, perhaps I would be more willing to pay the full price to upgrade, although I think developer should offer some discount still (e.g., $0.99 or $1.99 instead of $2.99).

The reason why desktop apps give upgrade pricing isn't because apps cost more, but because it wants to reward customers and encourage them to upgrade. App Store does not yet offer such upgrade pricing, and if it did, I am reasonably sure I would get a free upgrade (or at least a discount).

Please, spare me it's just the cost of overpriced coffee. If I get $2.99 for every time I hear that argument, I would be a multi million by now.

Push is garbage for Twitter. Why don't people just get over it. Seriously. You guys seriously love to be bugged nonstop throughout the day with push notifications? The idea is to make life easier, not harder. I don't think many people want to be hounded throughout the day for twitter ****. I think the few people who do want it are just causing a lot of complaints to roll in for it. Most people don't grasp how bad it would be to have push, even just for direct messages.

Twitter API maybe garbage, but Twitter push notification for @ replies and DMs, even with a minute or two of delay, is not a garbage. Sure if I get hundreds of replies and DMs, I may not want notification as much, but I can always turn it off (or set it to badge notification). I get maybe 1 or 2 replies a day, and for that, push is wonderful to have.

[garethjs]

Push is garbage for Twitter. Why don't people just get over it. Seriously. You guys seriously love to be bugged nonstop throughout the day with push notifications? The idea is to make life easier, not harder. I don't think many people want to be hounded throughout the day for twitter ****. I think the few people who do want it are just causing a lot of complaints to roll in for it. Most people don't grasp how bad it would be to have push, even just for direct messages. It's a worthless thing. Just have it email you when you get a new message.

1. There can be different implementations of push. He could give you the choice of selecting who you want push updates from. He could make push an add-on purchase (limiting user count) and charge even a monthly rate for it but instead flat out says no push. (because tweetie has too many users)

2. No posterous support? Even the desktop app has it

3. No themes?!? Only reason I bought the tweetie was because it had ichat bubbles and now that's gone...

[IronLogik]

Let me repeat once more. I am not quibbling over $2.99. I purchased Tweetie 2.0 few weeks ago and my principle says I should get the upgrade free of charge. If I had purchased Tweetie since day 1, perhaps I would be more willing to pay the full price to upgrade, although I think developer should offer some discount still (e.g., $0.99 or $1.99 instead of $2.99).

The reason why desktop apps give upgrade pricing isn't because apps cost more, but because it wants to reward customers and encourage them to upgrade. App Store does not yet offer such upgrade pricing, and if it did, I am reasonably sure I would get a free upgrade (or at least a discount).

Please, spare me it's just the cost of overpriced coffee. If I get $2.99 for every time I hear that argument, I would be a multi million by now.



Twitter API maybe garbage, but Twitter push notification for @ replies and DMs, even with a minute or two of delay, is not a garbage. Sure if I get hundreds of replies and DMs, I may not want notification as much, but I can always turn it off (or set it to badge notification). I get maybe 1 or 2 replies a day, and for that, push is wonderful to have.

Dude. What don't you get? HE CAN'T OFFER DISCOUNTS without letting EVERYONE who hasn't purchased get it at the discounted price. He can't charge you $.99 or $1.99 for the app because you bought Tweetie 1 and also make new users buy it for $2.99. It's either $2.99 for everyone, $1.99 for everyone, or $.99 for everyone.

He can't provide free upgrades to you either without providing free upgrades to EVERYONE who bought.

What you're asking for is either a) not possible or b) not a sustainable income for someone who has made that app his job. He needs to put food on the table. It takes a lot of $2.99 purchases to make an income. Especially with Apple taking $.90 of every purchase. He is effectively making $2.09 for every Tweetie sale.

[Hardsheller]

I use BoxCar for Twitter and Facebook Push. You can even push your timeline, and have it open the app of your choice. It's very nice. Boxcar will have to be updated most likely to support Tweetie 2.0 though.

[Unspoken Demise]

I use BoxCar for Twitter and Facebook Push. You can even push your timeline, and have it open the app of your choice. It's very nice. Boxcar will have to be updated most likely to support Tweetie 2.0 though.

How happy are you with Boxcar? After reading your post I was checking it out, and $3 for the initial app and 1 push client sounds great, but is it true push, or is it a server update push, where it really only gives it to you every 5 minutes or something like that?

How does the push for Facebook work? Well? Fast?

Thanks for your input.

[Warbrain]

How happy are you with Boxcar? After reading your post I was checking it out, and $3 for the initial app and 1 push client sounds great, but is it true push, or is it a server update push, where it really only gives it to you every 5 minutes or something like that?

How does the push for Facebook work? Well? Fast?

Thanks for your input.

If Facebook isn't absolutely necessary for you check out iTweetReply. The update that allows multiple searches to be pushed is being approved and will be out soon. The add-ons will be cheaper than those in Boxcar.

[Randman]

Boxcar works quite well. Initially hesitant about cost it's been worth it.

[Manic Mouse]

I use iTweetreply and it works like a champ. I know Loren said Tweetie will never have push, so it's a good compromise.

[Compile 'em all]

Let me repeat once more. I am not quibbling over $2.99. I purchased Tweetie 2.0 few weeks ago and my principle says I should get the upgrade free of charge. If I had purchased Tweetie since day 1, perhaps I would be more willing to pay the full price to upgrade, although I think developer should offer some discount still (e.g., $0.99 or $1.99 instead of $2.99).


GAAAAAAAAAAAH. It is not possible for him to offer a discount for upgrades because the App Store doesn't allow it.

THE ONLY WAY TO CHARGE MONEY FOR AN UPGRADE IS TO MAKE A NEW APP.

Typically, like you said. If you purchased the app say right before this paid upgrade came out the developer will offer it for free to you. Unfortunately, the app store doesn't offer such an upgrade path. It is either EVERYONE who purchased the app gets the upgrade for free, or they have to pay full price.

[Warbrain]

GAAAAAAAAAAAH. It is not possible for him to offer a discount for upgrades because the App Store doesn't allow it.

THE ONLY WAY TO CHARGE MONEY FOR AN UPGRADE IS TO MAKE A NEW APP.

Typically, like you said. If you purchased the app say right before this paid upgrade came out the developer will offer it for free to you. Unfortunately, the app store doesn't offer such an upgrade path. It is either EVERYONE who purchased the app gets the upgrade for free, or they have to pay full price.

I had heard something saying that it could be done through in-app purchases but I highly doubt it's possible.

[Aidoneus]

Let me repeat once more. I am not quibbling over $2.99. I purchased Tweetie 2.0 few weeks ago and my principle says I should get the upgrade free of charge.

Well your principal is pretty much wrong then. If you did purchase Tweetie (I'll assume you mean 1.0, rather than 2.0) a few weeks ago, then it clearly filled your needs at that time. It will continue to do so even after the release of 2.0. It's not like you'll be forced to pay for the upgrade.

As I said in another thread; lose the sense of entitlement. The developer doesn't owe you anything.

[nyisles84]

I had heard something saying that it could be done through in-app purchases but I highly doubt it's possible.

i dont see how in app purchases would be possible considering it's an entirely different app. Just think of it that way. It's a whole new app, just happens to be named the same.

[IronLogik]

i dont see how in app purchases would be possible considering it's an entirely different app. Just think of it that way. It's a whole new app, just happens to be named the same.

It could technically be able to be done this way. But it's messy. It can't "upgrade" all the core code for a new app I don't believe. It's mostly for "addons" for an app or for allowing for subscriptions.

[Warbrain]

i dont see how in app purchases would be possible considering it's an entirely different app. Just think of it that way. It's a whole new app, just happens to be named the same.

I know this. That's why I don't think it's even possibly.

It could technically be able to be done this way. But it's messy. It can't "upgrade" all the core code for a new app I don't believe. It's mostly for "addons" for an app or for allowing for subscriptions.

Exactly. I don't think there's any way for the app to gain a significant upgrade though in-app purchases.

[nutmac]

Well your principal is pretty much wrong then. If you did purchase Tweetie (I'll assume you mean 1.0, rather than 2.0) a few weeks ago, then it clearly filled your needs at that time. It will continue to do so even after the release of 2.0. It's not like you'll be forced to pay for the upgrade.
Software is different from hardware in that it costs the developer next to nothing to allow free or discounted upgrade (depending on how long ago the app was purchased). Yes, the developer has put in lots of work and he should be compensated as such, but penalizing royal customers isn't the way to do it. There should be free or heavily discounted upgrade if the purchase was within 30 days.

Now as I said before, I realize App Store does not have such upgrade pricing option. And the developer has publicly said if he could, he would offer free upgrade for recent purchases and discount for earlier purchases. So I am not necessarily blaming the developer, although I think he has few options to work around the issue (e.g., promotional pricing, promo code for select few, in-app option for premium new features).

Some have said, hey, don't be cheap, it's only $2.99. Yes, it's $2.99 if you are a new customer, but $5.98 if you are coming from 1.x. $5.98 may not be a king's ransom, but as occasional user of Twitter (I have only a dozen DM followers), it's more than I am willing to spend. Especially when there are many cheaper alternatives. To those that argue, then don't upgrade, I won't. But I am peeved that I am stuck with an older app when if I had just waited a little bit longer, I would've had the latest.

[IronLogik]

Software is different from hardware in that it costs the developer next to nothing to allow free or discounted upgrade (depending on how long ago the app was purchased). Yes, the developer has put in lots of work and he should be compensated as such, but penalizing royal customers isn't the way to do it. There should be free or heavily discounted upgrade if the purchase was within 30 days.

Now as I said before, I realize App Store does not have such upgrade pricing option. And the developer has publicly said if he could, he would offer free upgrade for recent purchases and discount for earlier purchases. So I am not necessarily blaming the developer, although I think he has few options to work around the issue (e.g., promotional pricing, promo code for select few, in-app option for premium new features).

Some have said, hey, don't be cheap, it's only $2.99. Yes, it's $2.99 if you are a new customer, but $5.98 if you are coming from 1.x. $5.98 may not be a king's ransom, but as occasional user of Twitter (I have only a dozen DM followers), it's more than I am willing to spend. Especially when there are many cheaper alternatives. To those that argue, then don't upgrade, I won't. But I am peeved that I am stuck with an older app when if I had just waited a little bit longer, I would've had the latest.

Promo pricing would mean anyone, not just those who purchased the app, can get the discounted pricing too. Which makes it an even better deal for those who haven't purchased... my guess, you'll wanna complain about that too. right?

Promo codes for select few... he only gets so many promo codes... and there are likely thousands who have purchased within the last month or so. Not to mention he doesn't know WHO purchased the app. None of that info is given to him. It only shows him how many purchases there have been. So, this is not a feasible option. Try again.

In-App purchasing will not work for this. Read the previous comments. You need to understand how the development model for that works to even see how it won't work. But let me save you the trouble. It won't work.

No one is saying you can't be pissed. Go for it. But you need to stop demanding that the developer solve the problem. Go plead your case to Apple and give them yet another reason to add upgrade pricing to the store. They won't read it here. You're wasting your time by complaining here.

[ntrigue]

I'm pleased to pay $2.99 for a redesigned App from a hard-working developer.

I think there ought to be an arrangement for those that buy within days of Tweetie 2.0. Obviously, moving forward, there will be no Tweetie 1.0 purchases.

[nutmac]

No one is saying you can't be pissed. Go for it.

Really? How about these?

This forum is filled with spoiled rotten little brats.

Some of you people are unbelievable.

im sure some of you will attempt to bad mouth me because im calling you out on your lameness

Grow up. The whole lot of you. I'm deadly serious... If you have the time to complain about a $3 upgrade to a piece of software you use daily you are either an ignoramus or are destitute.

Personally I wish the minimum price for an app was $10 so that sorry moron losers would go to Android, WM, Blackberry, etc and leave the rest of us intelligent people alone.

[spyker3292]

People need to quit complaining. $3 is pretty cheap.... and this guy makes a living off of the app store. I'd be happy to pay even more for the upgrade.

[Manic Mouse]

I am peeved that I am stuck with an older app when if I had just waited a little bit longer, I would've had the latest.

I am peeved that I am stuck with an older Mac when if I had just waited a little bit longer, I would've had the latest.

I am peeved that I am stuck with an older operating system when if I had just waited a little bit longer, I would've had the latest.

I am peeved that I am stuck with an older version of iWork when if I had just waited a little bit longer, I would've had the latest.

I am peeved that I am stuck with an older iLife when if I had just waited a little bit longer, I would've had the latest.

I am peeved that I am stuck with an older car when if I had just waited a little bit longer, I would've had the latest.

I am peeved that I am stuck with an older house when if I had just waited a little bit longer, I would've had the latest.

I am peeved that I am stuck with an older wife when if I had just waited a little bit longer, I would've had the latest.

*SMACK*

http://jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/indy-day.jpg

Welcome to earth.

[IronLogik]

Really? How about these?

You're kinda bringing it on yourself by continuing to post asinine comments :)

[SmugMac]

Here's something, Tweetie 2.0 will be $3.99 on the Australian App Store. :eek:

As much as I love Twitterrific, I'll buy Tweetie 2.0 just like I bought Tweetie 1.0. Why? It's $4 AUD. I can do without that Hamburger I was going to buy for lunch and spend it's value to reward a hard working developer. ;)

[anjinha]

Tweetie 2.0: Leaner, Meaner, Faster, Stronger (http://smokingapples.com/software/reviews/tweetie-2-review-detailed-look/)

[RobMSantos]

I really hope the developer caves in on his long resistance toward having Groups in his Twitter apps since Twitter will be officially supporting Lists soon.

[str1f3]

I really hope the developer caves in on his long resistance toward having Groups in his Twitter apps since Twitter will be officially supporting Lists soon.

Loren said he will support whatever twitter supports. The reason you never saw groups was because Twitter itself did not have a group feature. For myself I never really needed that feature.

That being said, I do wish Tweetie had more features but hopefully those will come in the future.

[TheMBC]

Not entirely happy about having to pay but it's absolutely understood, it's a completely new app and has dozens of new features; seeing other apps do less than this and charge more (ahem Birdfeed, which I paid for and have actually been using for some months now over Tweetie) should be what people whine about. Tweetie is no neat, clean, and intuitive, I love it! Cannot wait until Tweetie 2 comes out :D

And to those about to tell me that there are other applications that have all of these functionalities like Echofon, those are all ugly and make me not want to use them the moment I open them.

[Manic Mouse]

I really hope the developer caves in on his long resistance toward having Groups in his Twitter apps since Twitter will be officially supporting Lists soon.

Just in time for 2.1 :)

So that's a "yes". As soon as lists launches on Twitter Loren will incorporate it into Tweetie.

[synagence]

Assuming Tweetie 2.0 will cost a similar amount to 1.0 then for the UK thats £1.79 ... thats less than the price of a small cappuccino at my local coffee house and therefore its still kind of a no-brainer to pay a hard working developer who DOES keep working on the app to improve and often based on consumer feedback and doesn't just release and abandon the app.

How many people complaining about Tweetie 2.0 price are going to upgrade to Windows 7 from whatever OS they have .... or Snow Leopard etc

Tweetie 1.0 is a perfectly functional and still one of the best and most highly regarded twitter apps out there and therefore you can stick with it for a long while and not worry if the price is too high

[Eminemdrdre00]

Wow. Look at this video of Loren talking about Tweetie 2 back in May of this year! He said he'd like to charge .99c for Tweetie 2, because charging $2.99 for another app would piss of the existing users...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BwbGAeTJnU

[Manic Mouse]

Wow. Look at this video of Loren talking about Tweetie 2 back in May of this year! He said he'd like to charge .99c for Tweetie 2, because charging $2.99 for another app would piss of the existing users...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BwbGAeTJnU

Yeah Apple need to implement paid upgrades for the app store. Which I thought were already in it because when you look at an update it always says "free", implying that it may not always be.

[RobMSantos]

Loren said he will support whatever twitter supports. The reason you never saw groups was because Twitter itself did not have a group feature. For myself I never really needed that feature.

That being said, I do wish Tweetie had more features but hopefully those will come in the future.

That's great then! Really, groups are almost a necessity for me in twitter to stay on top of the things I pay attention to. I interact with and keep an eye on several distinct groups of contacts, and if I don't have any sort of filtering, it's really easy for one group to drown in the stream of another.

That is mainly why I've been using TweetDeck over Tweetie, but I really do like Tweetie's interface more. Looking forward to the new release.

[m4rkie23]

what day is this due? reali wanted to get tweetie, but will obviously wait for this.

[bozzykid]

what day is this due? reali wanted to get tweetie, but will obviously wait for this.

It's up to Apple. It could be a week, it could be several months.

[anjinha]

Loren said on Twitter he submitted Tweetie 2 to Apple 4 days ago (I think) so now it just depends on the approval process.

[m4rkie23]

cheers. only a few weeks then.

[bozzykid]

cheers. only a few weeks then.

Most apps in the last month are going way past a few weeks for approval. Many are up to almost 2 months now.

[lostprophet894]

I really hope he brings back the dark theme in a free future update. I plan on buying this but I just can't fathom why he would ditch his themes...

[Steven89]

Disregarding all the upset people on this thread, I have an honest question.


...
This guy spent months re-writing the app from the ground up, quit his job to do so and you guys expect him to give it away? I suppose you expect every new version of iLife or OSX to be a free upgrade too? Thought not.
...

Is it really a smart move for someone to quit their job to create an iPhone/iPod Touch app that they're charging a whopping $3 for? His app would have to sell 23,333 times in 365 days to earn him the average salary an American makes. With all the competition he has from tons of other apps, I doubt that's gonna happen.

[anjinha]

Disregarding all the upset people on this thread, I have an honest question.



Is it really a smart move for someone to quit their job to create an iPhone/iPod Touch app that they're charging a whopping $3 for? His app would have to sell 23,333 times in 365 days to earn him the average salary an American makes. With all the competition he has from tons of other apps, I doubt that's gonna happen.

His app is in the top 20 of the paid social networking apps, and has been for quite a while, do you have any idea how much those apps sell?

[m4rkie23]

do apple have any sort of....selection for which apps they authorise first? i.e. the more popular ones get looked at first?

or is it literally first come first serve?

[AHDuke99]

I thought it normally took a week or 2 to get approvals? Or is the traffic up so much?

[ctt1wbw]

I might get this app just to see how much it has improved. Never was too much of a fan of Tweetie. There's many more twitter clients that are better.

Oh, and Go Tar Heels! :D

[m4rkie23]

even with the planned updates?

[dalvin200]

His app is in the top 20 of the paid social networking apps, and has been for quite a while, do you have any idea how much those apps sell?

nope... how many?

[bozzykid]

nope... how many?

Way more than 20,000/year. It's not unusual for an app to get 50,000 or more in a few days especially if it is featured.

[diesel]

Most apps in the last month are going way past a few weeks for approval. Many are up to almost 2 months now.


I know, trillian for the iphone is going on almost 7 weeks now for the approval process and still not approved!!!

[return7]

Way more than 20,000/year. It's not unusual for an app to get 50,000 or more in a few days especially if it is featured.

When BillMinder was featured on "What's Hot", we didn't sell anywhere NEAR 50k copies (at 99c). Tweetie has done much better though, obviously. It was in the top 10 for a while so I'm sure he's doing well. :)

[caligurl]

Disregarding all the upset people on this thread, I have an honest question.



Is it really a smart move for someone to quit their job to create an iPhone/iPod Touch app that they're charging a whopping $3 for? His app would have to sell 23,333 times in 365 days to earn him the average salary an American makes. With all the competition he has from tons of other apps, I doubt that's gonna happen.


WOW! that's crazy!!!! :eek:

[bozzykid]

When BillMinder was featured on "What's Hot", we didn't sell anywhere NEAR 50k copies (at 99c). Tweetie has done much better though, obviously. It was in the top 10 for a while so I'm sure he's doing well. :)

Yes, it depends on your potential audience size. Twitter and games are really hot right now. Unfortunately, conscientious bill payers are in the minority. :)

[IronLogik]

People have it sort of wrong.

He didn't QUIT his job to work on Tweetie. He quit his job to work on his own projects. Tweetie was written in like two weeks because he wasn't happy with other Twitter clients. He put it on the App Store for friends to use if they wanted. It sort of exploded and turned into a huge thing.

So, no he didn't quit his job at Apple to make tweetie. He quit his job to work on other things. Tweetie was created as a side project and just took off.

I don't think people quit their jobs to work on iPhone apps. I think anyone in their right mind would wait until their income is sustainable before quitting their job and working on iphone apps.

[str1f3]

People have it sort of wrong.

He didn't QUIT his job to work on Tweetie. He quit his job to work on his own projects. Tweetie was written in like two weeks because he wasn't happy with other Twitter clients. He put it on the App Store for friends to use if they wanted. It sort of exploded and turned into a huge thing.

So, no he didn't quit his job at Apple to make tweetie. He quit his job to work on other things. Tweetie was created as a side project and just took off.

I don't think people quit their jobs to work on iPhone apps. I think anyone in their right mind would wait until their income is sustainable before quitting their job and working on iphone apps.

You're wrong. There have been a few developers that have quit their jobs. Off the top of my head is the iShoot developer and the developer of Trism.

[IronLogik]

You're wrong. There have been a few developers that have quit their jobs. Off the top of my head is the iShoot developer and the developer of Trism.

Re-read what I said. It makes a lot of sense.

I think anyone in their right mind would wait until their income is sustainable before quitting their job and working on iphone apps.

I didn't say people never quit their jobs to work on iPhone apps. I said above that most would wait until their income is sustainable (as an app developer) before quitting their job and working on iphone apps.

I realize plenty of people have quit their jobs to work on iPhone apps. But a vast majority of them are making money that is sustainable. They make enough to live on. Anyone who quits their job to work on iPhone apps BEFORE it's sustainable is pretty stupid, especially in this economy.

[RobMSantos]

I don't think people quit their jobs to work on iPhone apps.

I didn't say people never quit their jobs to work on iPhone apps.

A little confusing there. I think the overall point you guys have is that some people DO quit their jobs to make iPhone apps. Some don't. But like any business plan, you can't give up a steady income in a harsh economic environment for another non-guaranteed opportunity without opening yourself up to a lot of risk.

Of course, some people have been very successful regardless of the degree of risk they took.

[IronLogik]

A little confusing there. I think the overall point you guys have is that some people DO quit their jobs to make iPhone apps. Some don't. But like any business plan, you can't give up a steady income in a harsh economic environment for another non-guaranteed opportunity without opening yourself up to a lot of risk.

Of course, some people have been very successful regardless of the degree of risk they took.

Basically.

I love how of all the things I said in that post that the most unimportant part of what I said is what someone had an issue with.

Back to the original topic. Loren didn't quit his job to make Tweetie. He quit his job for other projects. Tweetie just happened. If you want proof of this, you can go download the iPhone Application Development program on iTunes U. He was a guest speaker for one of the Friday sessions and he talks about Tweetie for about 30 minutes. It's actually very entertaining.

[str1f3]

Basically.

I love how of all the things I said in that post that the most unimportant part of what I said is what someone had an issue with.

Back to the original topic. Loren didn't quit his job to make Tweetie. He quit his job for other projects. Tweetie just happened. If you want proof of this, you can go download the iPhone Application Development program on iTunes U. He was a guest speaker for one of the Friday sessions and he talks about Tweetie for about 30 minutes. It's actually very entertaining.

Fair enough and while you're post is in relation to Tweetie, I don't think that the most unimportant part of your post is when people quit their jobs to develop full time to develop iPhone apps full-time. In a way it is more important so people understand that developers actually have to make money and free updates for life is not a realistic proposition which is endemic in this thread. Your whole post was interesting and it was all important.

If you meant it another way, then write it that way. I can't read your intent though a sentence that indicates the opposite.

As for Tweetie, regardless of whether it was something done on the side, I can assure it is now Loren's main source of revenue. Unless it is ad-based sooner or later all apps will need a paid upgrade. Eventually the well runs dry and a developer has to charge an upgrade price for all the work he puts in. Not eveyone is willing to pay for a Twitter app and I'm sure many, if not most, don't even know what Twitter is.

[samcraig]

I don't begrudge an author, designer or programmer the ability to create revenue streams for themselves either via updates or new products.

It would be unfair to any app creator to not since there are no residual incomes on updates otherwise.

If you sell your app for 1.99 and then the next 10 years you grow that app every year - clearly the value goes beyond the 1.99. And the time, energy and resources involved warrant more than the profit made from 1.99 (or whatever the fee). A product tweak or enhancement, I don't think should be charged. But "full upgrades" or major improvements - or even a yearly refresh are certainly fair game.

After reading an article recently in the news - the MAJORITY of app developers aren't making much money after labor, marketing, etc. Much like TV, Film, Broadway, Sports, etc - there are loads of "players" but only a handful are "celebs" - aka have a HIT money-making application

[RobMSantos]

I don't think this is different from any normal computer application. A developer makes v1.0 and sells it. If they do enough changes to deem something a v2.0, often they charge again for it. Sometimes there's a discount; sometimes there's not. It's up to the developer how they want to approach their pricing policies, and up to the individual whether they'll make another purchase.

I don't think there are any inherent "rights" that developers "deserve" to be paid more or again in the future simply because their application was successful. Nor do users have the "right" to get an update for free simply because they paid for the original version. There is only the market, and it's up to the developer to strategically price what they are supplying based on the demand they perceive in their audience to hit their revenue goals.

[caligurl]

hmmmmmmm if i already owned tweetie, i have to admit that i'd probably be ticked at having to pay for an upgrade...

i may have to finally give this app a try.... although i'm quite happy with the one i'm using....

[return7]

good read imo http://bit.ly/3X2Gon

[IronLogik]

good read imo http://bit.ly/3X2Gon

Yup. There's not a lot of money to be had for the independent developer. The general idea is that if you came make an application to support another application you've got reason to put money into it. For example, a companion app for the iPhone. Think Remember the Milk or Things. You have a desktop app or web app that pays for the development of the mobile version. You can recoup costs over a longer period of time but for the casual 1 person shop, it's very difficult to live on. So much competition and so many choices. You need to be unique, make a name for yourself, or just get lucky.

A lot of us would love to believe we could make an amazing application and get rich from it. But sadly it doesn't happen that way.

[abijnk]

hmmmmmmm if i already owned tweetie, i have to admit that i'd probably be ticked at having to pay for an upgrade...


People who have any inkling about what it takes in terms of time and money to create and sustain an app, and to maintain a server system that is capable of delivering reliable push to a base as large as tweetie has (and which is sure to get larger) won't complain. All the rest are just ignorant...

[lostprophet894]

People who have any inkling about what it takes in terms of time and money to create and sustain an app, and to maintain a server system that is capable of delivering reliable push to a base as large as tweetie has (and which is sure to get larger) won't complain. All the rest are just ignorant...

Unfortunately, Tweetie 2 doesn't have push (unless it's been announced in the last couple of days).

But everything else about your post is absolutely true. ;)

P.S. I'm still pissed about my dark theme being taken away.

[Eminemdrdre00]

Unfortunately, Tweetie 2 doesn't have push (unless it's been announced in the last couple of days).

But everything else about your post is absolutely true. ;)

P.S. I'm still pissed about my dark theme being taken away.

From what I've read, theres push for tweets by a specific account...but not for your @ mentions or DMs. Pointless implementation of push IMO.

[labman]

I was looking at it today and debating the $4.99 seems loaded with stuff

http://www.stone.com/Twittelator/Twittelator_Pro_Features.html

and screen shots
http://www.stone.com/Twittelator/Twittelator_Screens.html

[IronLogik]

I was looking at it today and debating the $4.99 seems loaded with stuff

http://www.stone.com/Twittelator/Twittelator_Pro_Features.html

and screen shots
http://www.stone.com/Twittelator/Twittelator_Screens.html

I use Birdfeed primarily. Anxious for the next update to come out. Buzz and Neven are fantastic UI guys. I expect the app to become top notch in due time. To me it isn't about the features but about the experience. Birdfeed is missing some features but the polish is amazing considering what they've done so far.

I've never used Twittelator. I have Tweetie as well, I can't see myself using anything but Tweetie or Birdfeed at this point.

[sparkles61785]

I was looking at it today and debating the $4.99 seems loaded with stuff

http://www.stone.com/Twittelator/Twittelator_Pro_Features.html

and screen shots
http://www.stone.com/Twittelator/Twittelator_Screens.html

Twittelator is awesome! It's the best Twitter app IMHO. I don't even use the Twitter website anymore (even if I'm sitting right in front of my computer) because Twittelator does everything. You will not be disappointed. I was initially skeptical as well because of the steep price. But it is definitely worth it. The only flaw of the app is that it does not offer push. But the developer is going to implement it in the future. At the moment I use IM+ for push. There are also other alternatives like Boxcar. :D

[Zman3001]

Twittelator is awesome! It's the best Twitter app IMHO. I don't even use the Twitter website anymore (even if I'm sitting right in front of my computer) because Twittelator does everything. You will not be disappointed. I was initially skeptical as well because of the steep price. But it is definitely worth it. The only flaw of the app is that it does not offer push. But the developer is going to implement it in the future. At the moment I use IM+ for push. There are also other alternatives like Boxcar. :D

Twittelator is a great app. The developer is active on twitter communicating the latest developments of the app. Another great app is Simply Tweet, which just got a major update complete with added features tonight...FOR FREE. Simply Tweet also has push for DM's and @replies. Twittelator has also made its updates with major feature additions FOR FREE. You don't see them bitching and complaining about money. They work very hard. Simply Tweet has had several major updates with new features recently, it is up to 2.4, and the developer is already working on 2.5, pushing it out already to beta testers. Loren bitches and complains, waits WAY too long to update the app, alienates a lot of his followers by charging for what should be a free update, and his app doesn't even have many of the features the competing apps have. But he has the fanboys fighting tooth and nail for him. Personally, I don't feel bad for him. I work hard too. I am a research librarian for a major law firm. You don't see me bitching, complaining, and wanting more money because a lawyer in our firm made a lot of money in a case because of research I did for him/her. The attorneys would be up in arms if I charged them per research task. The fanboys seriously need to shut it.

[Chumbake]

I searched that twittleator Pro feature site and didn't find PUSH, so that's a no go for me.

I use SimplyTweet and it rocks. It has push for mentions and DMs. Also let's you upload videos if you have 3Gs. I love it! I haven't found anything better yet.

[HellToupee]

I use SimplyTweet and it rocks. It has push for mentions and DMs. Also let's you upload videos if you have 3Gs. I love it! I haven't found anything better yet.

Also a SimplyTweet user and feel the same here. Love the conversation tracking and the developer is very active and responds to questions in a timely manner

that said when Tweetie 2 comes out I think I'll spend the $2.99 to check it out

[nyisles84]

I own Tweetie 1 and have been using Twitterific lately. I was going to hold out for Tweetie 2 but have been really looking into SimplyTweet after reading this thread and doing some research. what to do what to do

[Eminemdrdre00]

I own Tweetie 1 and have been using Twitterific lately. I was going to hold out for Tweetie 2 but have been really looking into SimplyTweet after reading this thread and doing some research. what to do what to do

SimplyTweet is great! Its like Tweetie on steroids, but still has a simple user interface. Plus great features that Tweetie 2 wont have at launch, such as push @mentions/DMs (Tweetie developer claims theres no reliable way to do this...weird, SimplyTweet does it perfectly!) and SimplyTweet will display a badge number on the timeline/@mention/DM tabs displaying how many unread messages there are.

Another one to look at would be EchoFon Pro. That was my app of choice, but right now it only pushes @mentions/DMs every 10-15 minutes. SimplyTweet is almost instant.

[Fedorov]

SimplyTweet 2.4 update appeared on appstore last night and took yet another step ahead of all the others, really is the one to beat now in my opinion, use it everyday - again though, I'll still check out Tweetie 2 when it's out.

[normwood]

I really like Tweetie, but I can't get over the update for hire. I think if we're going to move toward developers charging for updates then they should be required to change the name if it is supposedly a "all new app". The $3 is nothing and I don't begrudge a dev trying to make a living, but it's a principal thing for me.

I also don't like that he had done away with the theme choices. Just getting to like bubbles.

I just downloaded Tweetdeck based on a recommendation from a trusted friend. I like the organization system. It supports my O.C.D. :D

I'm going to rock Tweetdeck until the Tweetie "update" comes out and see what people's opinions are after they use it for a while.

Steve

[polobreaka]

im currently using tweetdeck and i like the columns to show specific. keeps it all organize.

[bozzykid]

I really like Tweetie, but I can't get over the update for hire.

You better get used to it. Now that developers have had their apps in the store for a while now, you are already seeing a lot of version 2 apps hitting the stores. And it has nothing to do with it being a single developer or larger companies. Both are doing this. Of course it is no surprise since this is how actual software development works on just about every other platform.

[return7]

I really like Tweetie, but I can't get over the update for hire. I think if we're going to move toward developers charging for updates then they should be required to change the name if it is supposedly a "all new app". The $3 is nothing and I don't begrudge a dev trying to make a living, but it's a principal thing for me.

I don't mean to be argumentative or rude but an app's name is a brand. You don't just throw away a brand after you work hard to build it up. That's just absurd. Also, what's the ethical principal that's been broken by the guy selling software and then selling a 2.0 separately? This happens with games, desktop apps and movies all the time. It's like saying you should get a 2010 Camry for free after you bought the 2009 model or you should be able to watch Spiderman 2 for free in theaters because you bought a ticket to Spiderman 1. How about EA's sports games that come around every year...you should get a perpetual license because you bought one of them? I just don't understand the argument. When you buy software, you're buying a license to use the *current feature set.* If they give you more for free, then that's awesome. Sure, there might be better apps our there and if that's the case then your (and my) power as a consumer is to buy the better app. Even if it weren't a new app, he should have the right to sell his 2.0 version however he sees fit. If it's a crappy move then consumers should let him know by not buying it. The amount of time and technology that goes into one of these cheap, quality apps is astounding and people don't seem to understand the massive devaluation and price cuts developers take to try and compete in a market where the consumer wants everything for free. It doesn't take 3 hours and $99 to write a quality app. Just my 2c.

Edit: And to be clear, we put out lots of free updates and do our best to take good care of our customers. I'm not advocating screwing people over -- I'm a consumer too and buy plenty of apps myself.

[return7]

You better get used to it. Now that developers have had their apps in the store for a while now, you are already seeing a lot of version 2 apps hitting the stores. And it has nothing to do with it being a single developer or larger companies. Both are doing this. Of course it is no surprise since this is how actual software development works on just about every other platform.

Right. Unless, of course, we'd rather these companies just close up shop and we can all toy around with 99c fart apps all day long.

[normwood]

I don't mean to be argumentative or rude but an app's name is a brand. You don't just throw away a brand after you work hard to build it up. That's just absurd. Also, what's the ethical principal that's been broken by the guy selling software and then selling a 2.0 separately? This happens with games, desktop apps and movies all the time. It's like saying you should get a 2010 Camry for free after you bought the 2009 model or you should be able to watch Spiderman 2 for free in theaters because you bought a ticket to Spiderman 1. How about EA's sports games that come around every year...you should get a perpetual license because you bought one of them? I just don't understand the argument. When you buy software, you're buying a license to use the *current feature set.* If they give you more for free, then that's awesome. Sure, there might be better apps our there and if that's the case then your (and my) power as a consumer is to buy the better app. Even if it weren't a new app, he should have the right to sell his 2.0 version however he sees fit. If it's a crappy move then consumers should let him know by not buying it. The amount of time and technology that goes into one of these cheap, quality apps is astounding and people don't seem to understand the massive devaluation and price cuts developers take to try and compete in a market where the consumer wants everything for free. It doesn't take 3 hours and $99 to write a quality app. Just my 2c.

Edit: And to be clear, we put out lots of free updates and do our best to take good care of our customers. I'm not advocating screwing people over -- I'm a consumer too and buy plenty of apps myself.

Like I said I don't begrudge anyone any profit or living. I just think there should be a line drawn between what and "update" is and what a "brand new app" is. In this particular instance I think it is a brand new app and should be differentiated as Tweetie 2 or something. Call it what it is. In my opinion it isn't an "update".

You Spiderman and Camry arguemts are WAY off base completely support what I am suggesting. I don't take my Spiderman movie to Blockbuster and have them update it with new scenes. I don't take my Camry to the Toyota dealer and have them convert it to a 2010 model. I am buying new products and getting rid of the old ones.

[return7]

Like I said I don't begrudge anyone any profit or living. I just think there should be a line drawn between what and "update" is and what a "brand new app" is. In this particular instance I think it is a brand new app and should be differentiated as Tweetie 2 or something. Call it what it is. In my opinion it isn't an "update".

I see, I misunderstood. Apologies. :D I thought you meant he should have to drop the "Tweetie" name all together. He basically has two options on the App Store:

1) Release it as Tweetie and give it away to existing customers free (and set the version number to 2.0)
2) Release it as Tweetie 2 (or some other similar name) and charge everyone

I don't think he can just pull the old tweetie, replace it AND have everyone pay.

I think drawing a line in the sand on what is an update and what's a new version is tough. There's a lot of ambiguity there that I don't think we (and by that I mean consumers) wouldn't want Apple to try and decide. Is it 3 features? Is it 10? What constitutes a new feature?

[normwood]

I see, I misunderstood. Apologies. :D I thought you meant he should have to drop the "Tweetie" name all together. He basically has two options on the App Store:

1) Release it as Tweetie and give it away to existing customers free (and set the version number to 2.0)
2) Release it as Tweetie 2 (or some other similar name) and charge everyone

I don't think he can just pull the old tweetie, replace it AND have everyone pay.

I think drawing a line in the sand on what is an update and what's a new version is tough. There's a lot of ambiguity there that I don't think we (and by that I mean consumers) wouldn't want Apple to try and decide. Is it 3 features? Is it 10? What constitutes a new feature?

:D Glad I could clarify my position. Aren't internet forums wonderful.

I agree that there will never be a fine line between and update and a new app and I sure don't want to be the one to make the decision. :rolleyes:

Have a good one!

steve

[garethjs]

From what I've read, theres push for tweets by a specific account...but not for your @ mentions or DMs. Pointless implementation of push IMO.

I think push was meant to be a secret that certain testers let out of the bag. Didn't they have to sign an NDA for bigbird? I mean how can anyone install a push app AND NOT remember seeing apple's PUSH APP NOTIFICATION notice? So I don't know how the review sites are saying it has push and then all of a sudden doing a retraction and saying "opps" it doesn't.

The dev has also replied to most other questions except the ones regarding push.

I'm waiting to see.

[garethjs]

SimplyTweet is great! Its like Tweetie on steroids, but still has a simple user interface. Plus great features that Tweetie 2 wont have at launch, such as push @mentions/DMs (Tweetie developer claims theres no reliable way to do this...weird, SimplyTweet does it perfectly!) and SimplyTweet will display a badge number on the timeline/@mention/DM tabs displaying how many unread messages there are

Yes Simplytweet is a really good twitter client. I get DM/@s within 2 minutes tops and best of all is the way it does it's polling so that it doesn't use up my twitter API calls like most other push twitter apps do.

I don't know how the dev does it but I'm sending him requests/bugs at all times of the day and he replies almost immediately. That alone justifies the $.

Tweetie from what I've read has a really large userbase. How it compares to Echofon's I'm not sure.

IMO Large Userbase = Major hardware + More bandwith usage on the developers side = More upkeep $.

Shouldn't the cost of tweetie 2.0 cover this? I don't know. But I would gladly pay a monthly subscription for push services if need be.

Tweetie set the standard for twitter clients. Let's see if Tweetie 2.0 raises it much higher :)

[Manic Mouse]

I just think there should be a line drawn between what and "update" is and what a "brand new app" is. In this particular instance I think it is a brand new app and should be differentiated as Tweetie 2 or something. Call it what it is.

*Points at thread title*

It IS called Tweetie 2.

[normwood]

*Points at thread title*

It IS called Tweetie 2.

Will it be called Tweetie 2 on my phone or is it being called Tweetie 2 in the thread title?

Steve

[str1f3]

Will it be called Tweetie 2 on my phone or is it being called Tweetie 2 in the thread title?

Steve

Does it usually say the version number in your dock or taskbar?

[Lara F]

It's been approved and should hit the App Store soon. :D Yay!

[RED™]

It's live, go grab it! http://j.mp/t2itunes

There's a Tweetie 2 Approved! Thread, it would be more convenient to continue the conversation over there...

[superstrikertwo]

Will it be called Tweetie 2 on my phone or is it being called Tweetie 2 in the thread title?

Steve

Says Tweetie on your phone.

[TheMBC]

I think I'm in love with the new Tweetie.

[Daremo]

Is there any way to change the look or themes of this? The bright white is a killer for me.

[str1f3]

I think I'm in love with the new Tweetie.

LOL, there are a few things I think it is missing. No push for @'s and direct replies, all themes are gone (would have liked to use desktop Tweetie theme), and support for tweeting what song you are listening to.

This is a solid release and in many ways it is now the best Twitter app but there is still more work to be done.

For those who are mad, it's OK. There are other options and people like Alyssa Milano (who I follow and not because she is a celebrity) agree with you. Unless you are using a free Twitter app, though, there is a decent chance of an upgrade because there is only so many people who will pay for a Twitter app and they will have to eventually charge unless making the best Twitter app is not their full-time job.

I do wonder what would happen if they followed their desktop model and allowed advertising like Twitterrific. Many people who work at Twitter use Tweetie as their primary Twitter client.

[soulghost]

Is there any way to change the look or themes of this? The bright white is a killer for me.

Same here, just can't live with this white theme. Off to twitterrific.

[solideliquid]

Same here, just can't live with this white theme. Off to twitterrific.

Is there an option to open links directly in safari in Version 2?
Not sure why, but I'm bothered by links opening in the app, which isn't as fast a browser as safari.

[dalvin200]

bought it the second it was released last night :)

i actually like the clean white theme...

one thing i can't work out is how to browse the public timeline?

[Randman]

I love it. I do miss the chat bubbles but it's nice to be able to adjust the size.

Honesty, the new features make the 3 bucks for it a bargain.

[HellToupee]

I like Tweetie 2 but no one does conversational views like Simplytweet. Simplytweet drills down to every reply

[Maverickster]

Great app. Definitely the best Twitter app available. That said, would like to see the following features (re-)added: (i) flic.kr image service; (ii) bubble theme; (iii) update location w/ current GPS.

Beyond that, just about perfect.

--Mav

[normwood]

Over my initial issues... Downloaded it yesterday. Too nice of an app to pass up.

Steve

[03sho]

Does Tweetie 2 have push notificaton like Echofon?

[roblawton]

Does Tweetie 2 have push notificaton like Echofon?

Not at present, no.

[emailYasmin]

This is creating an undesirable trend of re-buying an update at a full price instead of free or discounted update.

And don't tell me its a work from grounds up.Because it is not.

[bozzykid]

Great app. Definitely the best Twitter app available. That said, would like to see the following features (re-)added: (i) flic.kr image service; (ii) bubble theme; (iii) update location w/ current GPS.


Tweetie supports the new location api that will allow you to add the location per tweet. Twitter is going to start rolling this out soon (until then you will not see them in tweetie). When this happens you will be able to see a map that shows where the tweet came from. Right now, the "location" you see in many clients (and in the current Tweetie) is what is set in their location profile setting. However, that setting will not be as useful once the new api is live.

[TheMBC]

LOL, there are a few things I think it is missing. No push for @'s and direct replies, all themes are gone (would have liked to use desktop Tweetie theme), and support for tweeting what song you are listening to.

This is a solid release and in many ways it is now the best Twitter app but there is still more work to be done.
Agreed. Still waiting for push, which (unless I read incorrectly) atebits says he's doing. I don't know if I care so much about tweeting my music though.

http://atebits.cachefly.net/blog/static-bigbird-redux1.html

This is creating an undesirable trend of re-buying an update at a full price instead of free or discounted update.

And don't tell me its a work from grounds up.Because it is not.Just what he said. Link above.

[str1f3]

Not too many seem to have a problem with the price except a vocal few. Tweetie is now the #2 overall in paid apps.

[Maverickster]

Tweetie supports the new location api that will allow you to add the location per tweet. Twitter is going to start rolling this out soon (until then you will not see them in tweetie). When this happens you will be able to see a map that shows where the tweet came from. Right now, the "location" you see in many clients (and in the current Tweetie) is what is set in their location profile setting. However, that setting will not be as useful once the new api is live.

No, I understand all of that. I just wish that the "stop gap" before that's rolled out was an easy way to update the profile location (as there was in Tweetie 1.x) rather than the google maps link (or, a choice between the two).

[Detlev]

This is creating an undesirable trend of re-buying an update at a full price instead of free or discounted update.

And don't tell me its a work from grounds up.Because it is not.

I do not think this started the trend, but has fallen in sync with it. There are several apps that have done this. Take for instance the TapTap apps, Madden football, RealSoccer, etc. It was bound to happen as did purchasing upgrades or add-ons from within the app. Bottom line is that it has to make someone money or it isn't going to last long because open source development of these apps has not yet been taken hold.

What is a disturbing trend is the premium (read: paid) applications that are now streaming advertisements. And not just advertisements but ones that require the advertisement to use my location services—which I do not wish to use—and pop up a window asking for such every thirty seconds. My opinion is if developers are making free versions, go ahead and include advertisements (even though data show they are not very effective) but if they are making paid apps they should be free of advertisements or at least have he ability to refuse third party access to the app/phone.

OK, off that soapbox.

Tweetie 2 seems like a decent app. I might be more comfortable with Twitterific at this point but it seems I have to do quite a bit of drilling to get where I want. I should be able to view trends immediately upon opening the app (similar to going to the twitter website) and not have to drill through an account.

I find it interesting that the nearby search has not worked properly (it neither updates nor shows local tweets—I've been looking at the same Tweet from nowhere around here for a day now and Twitterific has updated over 100 local Tweets). Although, I do like the map concept.

Public timeline seems to have gone missing.

I am a bit mystified about these user services. I am probably too new a user to know all of these but what are they? I assume they are third party websites or applications that supposedly improve my efficiency in using Twitter. I guess I'm just not seeing how.

[flatline82]

I wrote up a mini-review of Tweetie 2.0 if anybody is still on the fence. I'm new to the review gig but I'm looking improve upon that and will be doing more.. :cool:

My Review (http://wilwired.com/?p=474)

Follow me if you like the review =) (http://twitter.com/wilwired)

Thanks guys!

[str1f3]

Saw a posting on Twitter by Scoble tonight. Apparently word is going around that Tweetie 2 is making $100,000/day. Wow!

[RobMSantos]

Wow! Can you share any of the articles or whatever you found that says that?

[str1f3]

Wow! Can you share any of the articles or whatever you found that says that?

On Robert Scoble's Twitter feed (@Scobleizer) posted an hour ago it says this:

"Yo @tweetie how are your revenues doing? I heard that you are seeing $100,000 per day or more, just wanted to confirm. You deserve it."

[Clete2]

I signed up for Twitter sometime last year.. and I just decided to try it again. Tweetie paired with Boxcar is great!

When will Tweetie implement push?

[Tubink]

This is creating an undesirable trend of re-buying an update at a full price instead of free or discounted update.

And don't tell me its a work from grounds up.Because it is not.

Because you have seen the code, and everything.

[jimmy83]

How do you view conversations in tweetie? Seems abit long winded-unless iam kinda doing it wrong :confused:

[RobMSantos]

For @replies you click the "in reply to" text.

For direct messages, they should automatically be shown as conversations.

[Compile 'em all]

On Robert Scoble's Twitter feed (@Scobleizer) posted an hour ago it says this:

"Yo @tweetie how are your revenues doing? I heard that you are seeing $100,000 per day or more, just wanted to confirm. You deserve it."

He probably meant 10,000 day which is reasonable if you are a top paid app.

[jimmy83]

For @replies you click the "in reply to" text.

For direct messages, they should automatically be shown as conversations.

How do you view a conversation to begin with? When someone posts a question for example....how do you view the responses?

[TheMBC]

How do you view a conversation to begin with? When someone posts a question for example....how do you view the responses?
Unfortunately, you have to view the response first. Otherwise, you could probably do a search for "@[person's username]" for it.

[jimmy83]

Unfortunately, you have to view the response first. Otherwise, you could probably do a search for "@[person's username]" for it.

Ok kinda get ya, thanks.

Another quick point what are the # hashtags? Used for?

[lostprophet894]

Tweetie 1 is much better if you're a casual Twitter user.

Too bad they yanked it from the App Store even though this is supposed to be a new app (hence the $2.99 price tag).

[Compile 'em all]

Ok kinda get ya, thanks.

Another quick point what are the # hashtags? Used for?

Twitter Hashtags (http://www.ducttapemarketing.com/blog/2009/01/20/explore-the-twitter-hashtag/).

[str1f3]

He probably meant 10,000 day which is reasonable if you are a top paid app.

I think he got it right. There have been rumors going around for some time that if you have a top 10 paid app that is $.99 you are making $30,000/day. Tweetie costs $2.99 and has been as high as #1 overall. Keep in mind the tens of millions that have an iPhone/iPod touch.

Tweetie 1 is much better if you're a casual Twitter user.

Too bad they yanked it from the App Store even though this is supposed to be a new app (hence the $2.99 price tag).

I don't see how. If anything the UI has been streamlined. I listed some of the problems that I had with Tweetie but would also like to add what another forum member said which was nearby tweets. I don't get as many as on Twitterrific and I can choose the range for the tweets.

If Loren stated as someone else has said that push @'s and DM's are not reliable, then that is utter garbage. Tweetie desktop already supports that in the form of Growl.

Oh yeah if anyone's looking for someone to follow check out @seoulbrother. This guy cracks me up along with @hotdogsladies (Merlin Mann) & @John_Gruber.

[anjinha]

Tweetie 2 seems like a decent app. I might be more comfortable with Twitterific at this point but it seems I have to do quite a bit of drilling to get where I want. I should be able to view trends immediately upon opening the app (similar to going to the twitter website) and not have to drill through an account.

Quick warning about Twitterrific: a lot of @replies don't show up in Twitterrific for some reason. A lot of people have that issue and only realized it when they started using another app and saw how many @replies they had missed. Make sure that's not happening to you before you rely on Twitterrific too much.

[MEJHarrison]

Quick warning about Twitterrific: a lot of @replies don't show up in Twitterrific for some reason. A lot of people have that issue and only realized it when they started using another app and saw how many @replies they had missed. Make sure that's not happening to you before you rely on Twitterrific too much.

Agreed. I tried another app and saw all kinds of tweets I was missing in Twitterrific.

[Kahnyl]

I had Tweetie 2 backgrounded today, and when I went back to it there were new tweets. Does it fetch at certain intervals or push them?

[TheMBC]

I think it fetches them every so often.