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js81
Sep 29, 2009, 09:08 AM
Hey all:

So I just sold my netbook and am looking for a Mac replacement. I've got around $250-300 to spend, and this will be a third computer (for two people) to be used almost entirely just for internet browsing (plus some basic office-type stuff and music).

I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER PC NETBOOK (or a hackintosh, either - I don't like the netbook hardware).

I am considering the following:

1) 12" iBook G4. 1.33GHz, 512MB RAM, 40GB hard drive, combo drive, working battery. I can get this for around $250.

2) 15" PowerBook G4. Also 1.33GHz, 512MB RAM, 60GB hard drive, combo drive, working battery. I can get this for around $300.

Which should I get? Is the PowerBook enough of a better machine to warrant the higher price and bigger size? I know a 12" PowerBook would be ideal, but I can't find any under $300 in good shape. If you have any suggestions, let me know! :)



Pixellated
Sep 29, 2009, 09:15 AM
I'd go for the PowerBook.

js81
Sep 29, 2009, 09:18 AM
I'd go for the PowerBook.

Thanks. I'm coming from a Macbook and a netbook - I just worry about the size (and it is a bit more coin). But is the 15" screen (and consequently larger size) worth it?

ucfgrad93
Sep 29, 2009, 09:22 AM
Well, if size and money are the main concerns I would go with the iBook.

js81
Sep 29, 2009, 09:36 AM
Well, if size and money are the main concerns I would go with the iBook.

It is, but it ain't. :D I have to keep it under $300 (or very close, at least), but both are possible in that price range. My biggest concern is the size. I previously had a 17" HP laptop and that thing was a beast! I vowed to never have anything that huge again. And since this is gonna be mostly for the web, I wonder if the 15" will be of any use. Then again, the resolution is higher, and that would be awesome!

themoonisdown09
Sep 29, 2009, 09:39 AM
I used to have a 15" PowerBook and it wasn't too big for me. The extra screen real estate is very nice. Although, if you don't really care about the bigger screen, you should go with the iBook.

thejadedmonkey
Sep 29, 2009, 09:45 AM
I'd go for the iBook...

EDIT: Just saw it was a poll and voted... I'm so tired!

js81
Sep 29, 2009, 09:46 AM
Thanks for the help, all! I just noticed one other thing comparing the specs on Everymac.com - the PowerBook has a faster system bus AND support more RAM (2GB vs. 1.5). I think I'll go for the PowerBook, if I can find a good enough deal. :) The price will make all the difference... :-)

kngelv
Sep 29, 2009, 12:15 PM
Powerbook!!

James

brendu
Sep 29, 2009, 12:28 PM
not sure what the graphics cards are in those 2 systems but the PB should have a better one... im saying go with the PB if not for any other reason, for the 2gb max ram... that ram is going to make or break the system when your using modern apps... max it out at 2 gigs and you will have a pretty sweet internet machine.

js81
Sep 29, 2009, 01:05 PM
not sure what the graphics cards are in those 2 systems but the PB should have a better one... im saying go with the PB if not for any other reason, for the 2gb max ram... that ram is going to make or break the system when your using modern apps... max it out at 2 gigs and you will have a pretty sweet internet machine.

The iBook has a 32MB ATI Radeon Mobility 9550 and the PowerBook has a 64MB ATI Radeon Mobility 9700. I don't plan to play games on it (though it would be nice if it could run some older games comfortably).

The 2GB max RAM is the biggest selling point to me. And the higher screen res... It was a tough decision, but I think I've made my mind up, if I can find the right deal...

EDIT: ugh, of course it gets harder. I may be able to get the iBook for $225. That's a ~$100 difference...

iSee
Sep 29, 2009, 01:23 PM
I used to have a 12" iBook and have a 15" MBP now.

I did love the size of the iBook, but the 15" screen is really nice for browsing the internet. The powerbook will not be a monster like your 17" HP was.

It's close by I'd take the 15" powerbook. I don't think you'd go wrong taking the 12" iBook either, though.

Shake 'n' Bake
Sep 29, 2009, 03:00 PM
PowerBook. A 15'' screen at 1440x900 (or there about) provides very little screen real estate, especially when compared to a 1680x1050 22'' monitor (like I have). IIRC, the iBook is 1366x768.

Plus the PB is more expandable, looks better (I never liked the 4:3 displays on the iBook), may have better specs, and it's made of Al, rather than petroleum.

Or for $300, you could probably get a really nifty (and nicely equipped) PowerBook Duo and dock! That dock is quite a feat.

js81
Sep 29, 2009, 03:28 PM
PowerBook. A 15'' screen at 1440x900 (or there about) provides very little screen real estate, especially when compared to a 1680x1050 22'' monitor (like I have). IIRC, the iBook is 1366x768.

The iBook is 1024x768 (4:3) and the PB is 1280x854 (16:10?). I have a 17" iMac now - its 1440x900. However, remember this is replacing a netbook (1024x600) so anything is an improvement.

Plus the PB is more expandable, looks better (I never liked the 4:3 displays on the iBook), may have better specs, and it's made of Al, rather than petroleum.

No arguments there - the only complaint I've heard is from my wife. She doesn't like the aluminum because when its been off its cold on your legs (in shorts). :D

Or for $300, you could probably get a really nifty (and nicely equipped) PowerBook Duo and dock! That dock is quite a feat.

PowerBook Duo, huh? Now there's a thought... though I think the 100MHz (tops) processor may not quit be all that. ;)

Shake 'n' Bake
Sep 29, 2009, 03:41 PM
The iBook is 1024x768 (4:3) and the PB is 1280x854 (16:10?). I have a 17" iMac now - its 1440x900. However, remember this is replacing a netbook (1024x600) so anything is an improvement.


In that case, I'd definitely go with the PB.

PowerBook Duo, huh? Now there's a thought... though I think the 100MHz (tops) processor may not quit be all that. ;)

All but one model were 68k, too. And with a maximum OS of 9.1, there's not much you could do. I'm going to keep my eyes peeled for one, though, just because the dock is really cool.

js81
Sep 29, 2009, 04:09 PM
All but one model were 68k, too. And with a maximum OS of 9.1, there's not much you could do. I'm going to keep my eyes peeled for one, though, just because the dock is really cool.

OS 9 is still useful... just not much so for web browsing (a "modern" browser doesn't exist to my knowledge). I've just not been a Mac-head long enough to appreciate the older machines as much as I'd like... ;) The Duo looks great, though - and yeah, the dock is uber-cool. I had a cool dock/stand (HP expansion base) for my 17" HP laptop, and that's the only thing I truly miss from it.

My first Mac was a PowerMac 6500 (225MHz 603e) - I kept it all of two months and replaced it with a Blue&White G3 (300MHz). I loved that machine and it was the start of a beautiful friendship (Later I had a PowerMac G4 w/dual 500MHz, a G4 iMac, a Core Solo Mini, etc., etc.).

EDIT: I just saw a PowerBook Duo 2300c on eBay for $18 and change... Cool!

OrangeSVTguy
Sep 29, 2009, 10:36 PM
Keep looking around for a 12" Powerbook. I've had just about every iBook and my 12" PB is by far one of the nicest Macs that I've owned. The iBooks are still nice but nothing beats the look and feel of aluminum :D. It's still my main machine!

deryk
Sep 30, 2009, 12:15 AM
My 12" iBook was recently retired and I purchased a 15" uMBP. I had originally bought it because I was doing a lot of traveling and I like the small form factor. I constantly struggled with the small screen real estate. It was a good machine, until it died, but I would be very hesitant to go to a smaller screen.

js81
Sep 30, 2009, 03:30 PM
Yeah, I've decided on the 15" PowerBook, assuming prices that I've found stay the same. I think the extra screen size will be worth it, and it only weight 0.7 pounds more, plus its actually thinner than the iBook. Thanks for the comments! Y'all talked me right into it... :D

js81
Oct 5, 2009, 07:14 AM
Ordered the PowerBook last night.

15" PowerBook G4, 1.33GHz, 512MB RAM (up to 2GB), 60GB HD, Combo drive, ATI 9700 64MB, 30 day warranty, 30 day return, for $275.99 plus shipping. :)

Hopefully all will be well with it, but if not I can return it...

cluthz
Oct 5, 2009, 07:33 AM
In that case, I'd definitely go with the PB.



All but one model were 68k, too. And with a maximum OS of 9.1, there's not much you could do. I'm going to keep my eyes peeled for one, though, just because the dock is really cool.

Even the 100 mhz is painfully slow with OS 9.1

Quite snappy on os 7.6 or 8.1

hodgeheg
Oct 5, 2009, 08:04 AM
cut, just saw that you already ordered. Enjoy your powerbook!

hodgeheg
Oct 5, 2009, 08:09 AM
The iBook is 1024x768 (4:3) and the PB is 1280x854 (16:10?). I have a 17" iMac now - its 1440x900. However, remember this is replacing a netbook (1024x600) so anything is an improvement.


This is one thing I really like about the 15" PowerBooks, and it's almost unique - the screen is 15:10, rather than 16:10 or 16:9. I'm aware of one Toshiba laptop that had 15:10 but otherwise I know of no others, and certainly nothing currently made.

I find the extra vertical height lovely. I would miss my 1440x960 now. I suppose 1440x900 doesn't make much difference, but the increasingly common 16:9 I really don't like. Here's hoping Apple stick with 16:10 at least.

js81
Oct 5, 2009, 08:26 AM
but the increasingly common 16:9 I really don't like. Here's hoping Apple stick with 16:10 at least.

I'll second that. I think the 16:9 screens are terribly for actual "computer" usage - Web browsing, document reading, etc. Sure, they're great for movies, but I have a TV for that. My computer only watches movies as a secondary function.

I'm looking forward to the PowerBook - I think once I upgrade the RAM to 2GB and the hard drive to a 5400 or 7200 RPM it'll be a pretty sweet machine. :D

Shake 'n' Bake
Oct 5, 2009, 01:51 PM
Ordered the PowerBook last night.

15" PowerBook G4, 1.33GHz, 512MB RAM (up to 2GB), 60GB HD, Combo drive, ATI 9700 64MB, 30 day warranty, 30 day return, for $275.99 plus shipping. :)

Hopefully all will be well with it, but if not I can return it...

Where from?

Even the 100 mhz is painfully slow with OS 9.1

Quite snappy on os 7.6 or 8.1

My 233 MHz Rev. A iMac won't even take having multiple applications going. I'd reinstall, but I don't have an install disc.

js81
Oct 5, 2009, 04:21 PM
Where from?

eBay. Here's the link to the auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220487206387&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_6788wt_1167) - they have 9 more available.

To get it for the price I paid, you have to use the Bing Cashback thing from Microsoft. Saves 8% off the Buy It Now price.

clyde2801
Oct 6, 2009, 05:46 AM
I'm looking forward to the PowerBook - I think once I upgrade the RAM to 2GB and the hard drive to a 5400 or 7200 RPM it'll be a pretty sweet machine. :D

Replacing the HD is not a five minute job like the macbook, IMO it can fairly be described as a PITA. Hope you don't break the keys when removing the keyboard.

OrangeSVTguy
Oct 6, 2009, 07:31 AM
Powerbooks are easy, well 15" anyways! Guess you never worked on an iBook before either;). Besides you don't even touch the keyboard on the 15" Powerbook. It's the 12" Powerbook which you have to pop off 2 keys and also was probably the worst designed laptop ever made.

Ever see what you have to do to change out the optical drive or bluetooth?

js81
Oct 6, 2009, 10:08 AM
Replacing the HD is not a five minute job like the macbook, IMO it can fairly be described as a PITA. Hope you don't break the keys when removing the keyboard.

In addition to my job as a teacher, I work part-time in computer repair and upgrading (a side business of mine). I've done plenty of laptop work, from upgrading RAM and hard drives to replacing busted LCDs and motherboards. I think I can handle it... :D But I appreciate the concern. Its definitely more involved than the simple remove-the-battery-and-swap of the Macbook.

mknapper1
Oct 6, 2009, 11:58 AM
Wait, can the PowerBook even support 2gb of ram I thought it maxed out at 1?

js81
Oct 6, 2009, 12:18 PM
Wait, can the PowerBook even support 2gb of ram I thought it maxed out at 1?

The 12" maxed at 1.25 (256 on the logic board, up to 1GB in the upgrade slot).

The 15 and 17"ers both had two slots, capable of 1GB each.

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/stats/powerbook_g4_1.33_15.html

clyde2801
Oct 6, 2009, 03:15 PM
Powerbooks are easy, well 15" anyways! Guess you never worked on an iBook before either;). Besides you don't even touch the keyboard on the 15" Powerbook. It's the 12" Powerbook which you have to pop off 2 keys and also was probably the worst designed laptop ever made.

Ever see what you have to do to change out the optical drive or bluetooth?

Oh, I WAS thinking about the 12" powerbook.

js81
Oct 7, 2009, 02:02 PM
Got my PowerBook today... everything is great so far! I can definitely recommend the seller - I bought it late Sunday night and received it today (Wednesday). It is in almost perfect condition (hardly a scratch on it) and everything works exactly as advertised. The only bummer is that battery is only showing two lights (I'll test with Coconut Battery once I have the 10.4.11 update installed), but he listed it as working but untested. Ah, should at least last an hour and if it does, that's fine by me. :) I'll let you know more as a I test it!

P.S. - iScroll2 works great, as well! :D

EDIT: OK, so I just tested the battery... Coconut shows the current battery capacity at 84% of original (3705mAh vs. 4400mAh new). Sounds good to me! It does show 265 cycles, though... but hey, for the price I paid, I'll deal!

Definitely glad I got the 15"!