limbaugh "No one dies from lack of Health Care."

[macfan881]

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200909300026

Wow what planet is this this moron living on does he not hear any stories from the town hall meetings or rallys etc i know people who have been by these situations I think this guy really needs to lay off what ever he is smoking or what ever he is doing and listen to himself think

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Or political system is getting kind of gross. It's just propaganda and misinformation from both sides.

I think politicians have completely forgotten their purpose.

[electroshock]

I think politicians have completely forgotten their purpose.

Kiss babies and shake hands? :D

[bruinsrme]

There are people dieing with health insurance because the Insurance providers deem certain things too expensive, I mean not needed, I mean reject the recommended treatment forcing the insured to appeal.

[Thomas Veil]

Kiss babies and shake hands? :DThese are politicians. They kiss hands and shake babies.

And Limbaugh is an absolute turd. The man has no shame, none at all.

[Desertrat]

Federal law says that anybody who shows up at a hospital emergency room must be treated. It doesn't matter if they're illegal aliens or poor citizens without health insurance of any sort, even Medicaid.

Explain to me, then, how Limbaugh is incorrect as to fact?

[Zombie Acorn]

Federal law says that anybody who shows up at a hospital emergency room must be treated. It doesn't matter if they're illegal aliens or poor citizens without health insurance of any sort, even Medicaid.

Explain to me, then, how Limbaugh is incorrect as to fact?

If you show up with cancer they aren't going to give you chemo treatment.

[macfan881]

If you show up with cancer they aren't going to give you chemo treatment.

aparently not
http://cbs5.com/local/cancer.treatment.denied.2.1007394.html

[Zombie Acorn]

aparently not
http://cbs5.com/local/cancer.treatment.denied.2.1007394.html

Thats a case even with insurance, imagine without. The ER will stabilize you if needed and thats about it.

Thats a good policy by blue cross until someone with cancer decides to go postal on their corporate building as they have nothing to lose.

[bruinsrme]

Federal law says that anybody who shows up at a hospital emergency room must be treated. It doesn't matter if they're illegal aliens or poor citizens without health insurance of any sort, even Medicaid.

Explain to me, then, how Limbaugh is incorrect as to fact?

when I ran a chainsaw across my leg and went to the ER, I couldn't help but notice there were two sections a large one with about 50 seats (about 50% full) and a smaller one with about 20 seats (4 people). While I was checking in I made a comment to my wife, who was frantic maybe it was the enire pant leg being a deep red, it would be a while and she should go back to the house and I would call when I am ready.
The nurse said I was next. She basically said, you are paying for the services, that section isn't.

I asked what if I was paying cash.
She replied you would have checked this box and put down a deposit and if it was a credit card you would have checked here and we would have run a verification.
I replied, Oh.

[Desertrat]

All I have is some anecdotal experiences. I've only gone once to an ER. They did not queston me at all when I arrived as to how I would pay. First, treament; then, paperwork.

I live in an area where very few have any insurance. The nearest hospital is 80 miles away. Our medics make quite a few ambulance runs with locals who have no insurance, and they get treated at the hospital. Payment? For a good many, it's a debt they'll owe forever, or a writeoff by the hospial as a loss.

FWIW: I have a friend who got hit with a hereditary "water on the brain" problem. Emergency brain surgery and then then after a fall and a broken hip, physical therapy to relearn a bunch of motion. (If she didn't have bad luck, she'd have no luck at all.) Moneywise, it's mostly covered by the existing program of Medicaid and SS Disability.

Note that the majority of cancer cases occur in the Medicare crowd. It's mostly an age thing. "Mostly"; I realize that it's not "all".

Snotty comment: Chemo? I found out I'm allergic to it. 14 hours into the pump regimen, I woke up at 2AM and realized that it took a deliberate effort to breathe. After about ten minutes of that crap I figured, "Screw it. I'll either live or I won't," and I went back to sleep. Unfortunately for the world at large, I lived. :D

'Rat

[djellison]

Thats a case even with insurance, imagine without.

Imagine without private health insurance...I'm imagining the system we have here. And what do you know - she'd have got the treatment she needed here in communist England.

Outragous.
:rolleyes::D

[Eraserhead]

Payment? For a good many, it's a debt they'll owe forever, or a writeoff by the hospial as a loss.

Bankruptcy for healthcare. Only in the USA.

[Desertrat]

Bankrupt? Hardly. When you're down so low in the income level, you don't really have any debts, and you having nothing worthy of any lawsuit.

But at least our medical care is readily available, from the standpoint of immediacy, which is more than can be said for Canada:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=33785

"Under Canada’s controversial federal health legislation, surgeons are prohibited from charging patients to provide “medically necessary” treatment. In addition, they are limited to performing surgeries to six hours a week. Gilbert recalled one surgeon telling her, “I spend six hours in surgery each week, less time than I spend explaining to sick patients why I can’t perform theirs.”

'Rat

[Counterfit]

or a writeoff by the hospial as a loss.

Or the cost is passed on to insurance companies outright, or through $35 asprin.

[Rt&Dzine]

Listening to that was a treat. :rolleyes:

Limbaugh says that liberals are "angry, deranged lunatics. They don't want to enjoy life."

First he says that he thinks no one dies from lack of health insurance. Then he starts name-calling. Extreme case of the pot calling the kettle black. Why should I take anything he says seriously when he is constantly bashing and name-calling all liberals?

The deaths from health insurance has already been explained in the earlier health insurance thread. No need to repeat it all again. But briefly the emergency room is only one aspect of the issue. And they are only required to treat and release. Not to cure. I have lots of anecdotal experiences too.

[chstr]

Or political system is getting kind of gross. It's just propaganda and misinformation from both sides.

I think politicians have completely forgotten their purpose.

understatement of the century

[Thomas Veil]

The last century too.

[Evangelion]

Imagine without private health insurance...I'm imagining the system we have here. And what do you know - she'd have got the treatment she needed here in communist England.

Outragous.
:rolleyes::D

"If Stephen Hawking had to rely on UK healthcare, he would be long dead!"

Said by some moronic republican windbag....

[DiamondMac]

I am sure he had a few choice words for Health Care as he stuffed his Vicodin addiction

[Wotan31]

Limbaugh says that liberals are "angry, deranged lunatics. They don't want to enjoy life."
I dunno, if the MR PRS participants are representative of your average liberal, then I'm inclined to agree with him. But we all know it's mostly students in here who have no concept of how the real world works.

[Pocket lint]

I dunno, if the MR PRS participants are representative of your average liberal, then I'm inclined to agree with him. But we all know it's mostly students in here who have no concept of how the real world works.

Weren't you still in the education system, or was that someone else?

In any case, it's been almost twenty years since I was a student, and, say, Thomas Veil is older than I am, so I wonder how you'll substantiate that claim?

[Rt&Dzine]

I dunno, if the MR PRS participants are representative of your average liberal, then I'm inclined to agree with him. But we all know it's mostly students in here who have no concept of how the real world works.

I wasn't going to mention it, but since you brought it up, I think that many of the right wingers on PRSI sound angry and unhappy (and a few seem deranged). And for someone like Limbaugh to make those accusations is just too funny.

Happy liberal here! :p

[Zombie Acorn]

Weren't you still in the education system, or was that someone else?

In any case, it's been almost twenty years since I was a student, and, say, Thomas Veil is older than I am, so I wonder how you'll substantiate that claim?


Probably thinking of me, college 4 life.

[Pocket lint]

Probably thinking of me, college 4 life.

LOL, Zombie. But you aren't a liberal, are you? :cool:

Edit: Wow, I'm slow tonight (I have just eaten ...).
No, I wasn't thinking of you, because you have been straight from the beginning, but I seem to remember someone else being "caught" being in school still, even if he first claimed otherwise.
However, I am not sure that's Wotan, though, but it isn't you :)

[it5five]

But we all know it's mostly students in here who have no concept of how the real world works.

I love this. I work almost full time, go to school full time, pay for all of my expenses (rent, car insurance, groceries, etc...), yet somehow I "have no concept of how the real world works". When I graduate in December, will I also be granted a "concept" of how the real world works along with my degree?

[leekohler]

I dunno, if the MR PRS participants are representative of your average liberal, then I'm inclined to agree with him. But we all know it's mostly students in here who have no concept of how the real world works.

Excuse me? I'm 42 and work as a senior art director advertising. You know- THE CORPORATE WORLD. I know exactly how things "work", and they don't work well at the moment.

As a side note- I've never been laid off, my performance reviews are always excellent and I've never used any kind of public aid. I think it's ridiculous for you to think that only young college kids are liberal. Come to my office of over 200 people and find me a conservative. Actually, come to the city of Chicago and try to find conservatives. You'll find some, but not many- and this town is full of bright, intelligent happy liberals. Much better than when I lived in Ohio with mostly bitter, nasty conservatives.

[Wotan31]

I dunno, if the MR PRS participants are representative of your average liberal, then I'm inclined to agree with him. But we all know it's mostly students in here who have no concept of how the real world works.
Weren't you still in the education system, or was that someone else?

In any case, it's been almost twenty years since I was a student, and, say, Thomas Veil is older than I am, so I wonder how you'll substantiate that claim?
"Substantiate that claim"? Really??? Why so sensitive? That time of the month again? Jeez. I said "mostly". Do you know what the word "mostly" means? All of a sudden you think it's a definitive 100% and it's directed squarely at you. Go smoke a cigarette or something and relax. That goes for you too Lee and 5five.

PS. no I haven't been a student since the 90's.

[leekohler]

"Substantiate that claim"? Really??? Why so sensitive? That time of the month again? Jeez. I said "mostly". Do you know what the word "mostly" means? All of a sudden you think it's directed squarely at you. Go smoke a cigarette or something and relax. That goes for you too Lee and 5five.

PS. no I haven't been a student since the 90's.

Stop making stupid claims then. You can't prove that this forum is "mostly students", because it's not. Many of us are older and have experienced and seen a lot more of the world than you have.

[Pocket lint]

"Substantiate that claim"? Really??? Why so sensitive? That time of the month again? Jeez. I said "mostly". Do you know what the word "mostly" means? All of a sudden you think it's directed squarely at you. Go smoke a cigarette or something and relax. Goes for you too Lee.

It's not being "sensitive" to ask someone to substantiate their claims. It's common sense.

I am fully aware of what "mostly" means. It's a nice cop-out when making a blanket statement, so that however many people call you on it, you can hide behind that "mostly" - until someone gives you hard number to the contrary. And as we know that won't happen, it's mighty fine using such qualifier. At least rhetorically.

It's funny you become so defensive about it, though, ending with first insinuating it must be PMS, and then asking me to go smoke a cig. Why are those things necessary?

Btw, are you or are you not still in school?

Edit:
Oh, I see you edited and even bolded the cop-out part. Nice.

[danny_w]

Federal law says that anybody who shows up at a hospital emergency room must be treated. It doesn't matter if they're illegal aliens or poor citizens without health insurance of any sort, even Medicaid.

Explain to me, then, how Limbaugh is incorrect as to fact?
What law are you referring to and when did it go into effect? I know that as late as 2002 in Austin and Houston ambulances were being diverted when emergency rooms were deemed too busy to accept any new patients. I can't find it now but I seem to recall several years ago that somebody was diverted so many times that they died in the ambulance. Here is one link discussing ambulance diversions:

http://www.statesman.com/specialreports/content/specialreports/healthcare/20hospitals.html

[it5five]

"Substantiate that claim"? Really??? Why so sensitive? That time of the month again? Jeez. I said "mostly". Do you know what the word "mostly" means? All of a sudden you think it's a definitive 100% and it's directed squarely at you. Go smoke a cigarette or something and relax. That goes for you too Lee and 5five.

PS. no I haven't been a student since the 90's.


No, I'd like you to address this. You said "mostly students in here who have no concept of how the real world works". To me, your statement reads, "most of the people in here are students, who have no concept of how the real world works, and the rest are adults, who have a concept of how the real world works".

Did you mean something else? because the way your sentence was written suggests that you think all students, who do not make up the entirety of MR PRSI liberals, have no concept of how the real world works.

[Rt&Dzine]

Go smoke a cigarette or something and relax.

No. Do not go smoke a cigarette. Lung cancer sucks.

[Wotan31]

Stop making stupid claims then. You can't prove that this forum is "mostly students", because it's not. Many of us are older and have experienced and seen a lot more of the world than you have.
Right. Now you're angry at me because you misread a post and thought it was directed at you. Who are those "bitter and nasty" people from Ohio? Oh right. They're you.

[leekohler]

No, I'd like you to address this. You said "mostly students in here who have no concept of how the real world works". To me, your statement reads, "most of the people in here are students, who have no concept of how the real world works, and the rest are adults, who have a concept of how the real world works".

Did you mean something else? because the way your sentence was written suggests that you think all students, who do not make up the entirety of MR PRSI liberals, have no concept of how the real world works.

I'd like to know too. The vast majority of "liberals" (which basically means anyone who disagrees with George Bush or wotan) I know here are around my age, and if younger haven't been in school for a very long time.

[Pocket lint]

No. Do not go smoke a cigarette. Lung cancer sucks.

Shucks! I just rolled meself a nice thick stick :p

Seriously, though, I do roll my own :o

[Wotan31]

No, I'd like you to address this. You said "mostly students in here who have no concept of how the real world works". To me, your statement reads, "most of the people in here are students, who have no concept of how the real world works, and the rest are adults, who have a concept of how the real world works".

Did you mean something else? because the way your sentence was written suggests that you think all students, who do not make up the entirety of MR PRSI liberals, have no concept of how the real world works.
Nope, I meant it exactly as you say. That students have no concept of how the real world works. It's more true than you can possibly imagine, I suspect.

[Wotan31]

I'd like to know too. The vast majority of "liberals" (which basically means anyone who disagrees with George Bush or wotan)
LMAO I just love the stereotypes. Believe it or not I strongly disagreed with W on a whole range of issues. BAM! Just turned your world upside down didn't I! :p

[leekohler]

LMAO I just love the stereotypes. Believe it or not I strongly disagreed with W on a whole range of issues. BAM! Just turned your world upside down didn't I! :p

Really? I must have missed you during the last 8 years protesting them. And it doesn't feel good being stereotyped, does it?

Right. Now you're angry at me because you misread a post and thought it was directed at you. Who are those "bitter and nasty" people from Ohio? Oh right. They're you.

Substantiate the claim, or admit you're wrong.

I left because I had dreams to follow that those conservatives pooped on: "Oh, you'll never make it in the city! You'll end up homeless!" Those people are still living pathetic lives in Ohio, wishing they'd had the guts to leave.

[Pocket lint]

Nope, I meant it exactly as you say. That students have no concept of how the real world works. It's more true than you can possibly imagine, I suspect.

Yet another cop-out qualifier. So when anyone asks you to substantiate that claim, you'll go "Do you have a problem with the words I suspect!!!".

How about you took out the guesswork and let the facts form your opinion instead of spewing all sorts of nonsense based on nothing more than your gut feelings?

LMAO I just love the stereotypes.

Don't we all know that by know ...

[leekohler]

Yet another cop-out qualifier. So when anyone asks you to substantiate that claim, you'll go "Do you have a problem with the words I suspect!!!".

How about you took out the guesswork and let the facts form your opinion instead of spewing all sorts of nonsense based on nothing more than your gut feelings?

Thank you. And he wonders why people are p***ed off. :rolleyes:

[Wotan31]

Stop making stupid claims then. You can't prove that this forum is "mostly students", because it's not. Many of us are older and have experienced and seen a lot more of the world than you have.
I make a comment about most student's view of the world and all of sudden I'm the bad guy who should "stop making stupid claims" and needs to provide "proof"? Come again?

Lets take a look at your "stupid claims", shall we:
Much better than when I lived in Ohio with mostly bitter, nasty conservatives.
Where's your proof that Ohio contains bitter nasty conservatives? You calling all conservatives bitter and nasty? Substantiate your claim! Oh and look at that, what a "cop out", you even used the word "mostly". Oh right, it's not a "cop-out" or "spewing nonsense" when you use it. Only when I do.

Your hypocrisy makes me LOL, yes it does!

[it5five]

I make a comment about most student's view of the world and all of sudden I'm the bad guy who should "stop making stupid claims" and needs to provide "proof".


Are you surprised? You made a sweeping generalization about a huge group of people, and got called out for it.

[leekohler]

Hypocrisy, meet Lee. Lee, hypocrisy. I make a comment about most student's view of the world and all of sudden I'm the bad guy who should "stop making stupid claims" and needs to provide "proof".

Where's your proof that Ohio contains bitter nasty conservatives? You calling all conservatives bitter and nasty? Substantiate your claim! Oh and look at that, what a "cop out", you even used the word "mostly". Oh right, it's not a cop-out when you use it. Only when I do.

Hypocrisy makes me LOL, yes it does!

I said I lived around bitter conservatives. I never said all of Ohio was conservative. If you'd like to meet those people, I'm sure I could arrange it.

[Wotan31]

I said I lived around bitter conservatives. I never said all of Ohio was conservative. If you'd like to meet those people, I'm sure I could arrange it.
Cop out! Stop spewing your nonsense.

[Pocket lint]

Hypocrisy, meet Lee. Lee, hypocrisy. I make a comment about most student's view of the world and all of sudden I'm the bad guy who should "stop making stupid claims" and needs to provide "proof".

Where's your proof that Ohio contains bitter nasty conservatives? You calling all conservatives bitter and nasty? Substantiate your claim! Oh and look at that, what a "cop out", you even used the word "mostly". Oh right, it's not a "cop-out" or "nonsense" when you use it. Only when I do.



Is that really how you think? So inconsistent?


Hypocrisy makes me LOL, yes it does!

That's a good thing. You must have some nice days. Spreading joy by you laughing all the while making guesswork into an artform.

[leekohler]

Cop out! Stop spewing your nonsense.

Where did I say Ohio was mostly full of conservatives? I said I lived with mostly conservatives.

[Wotan31]

Are you surprised? You made a sweeping generalization about a huge group of people, and got called out for it.
I did make a sweeping generalization about students, and it's one based on fact. When mommy and daddy are paying your tuition and room and board so you can party for 4 years and live in a dorm, I'm sorry, but you have absolutely no concept of how the real world functions. Because as a full time student, you are not living in it.

If you're paying your own way and have a full time job, then the above statement doesn't apply.

[Pocket lint]

Cop out! Stop spewing your nonsense.

Haha, seriously? Did you just learn a bad word?


I'm asking because you seem like a three year old who has learned some synonyms for feces, repeating them utterly out of context for effect.

[leekohler]

I did make a sweeping generalization about students, and it's one based on fact. When mommy and daddy are paying your tuition and room and board so you can party for 4 years and live in a dorm, I'm sorry, but you have absolutely no concept of how the real world functions. Because as a full time student, you are not living in it.

If you're paying your own way and have a full time job, then the above statement doesn't apply.

You also made a sweeping generalization about the liberal members of this forum.

[Wotan31]

Haha, seriously? Did you just learn a bad word?

I'm asking because you seem like a three year old who has learned some synonyms for feces, repeating them utterly out of context for effect.
I'm glad you're so amused. But then again everything is "out of context" when you don't agree with it, isn't that right. Your debate skills here = fail. I'm sorry, I just don't know how else to describe it. The name calling, the bizarre tangents and straw man arguments. It's almost pointless to continue.

Bzzzzzt. Next thread please.

[Wotan31]

You also made a sweeping generalization about the liberal members of this forum.
And you made a sweeping generalization about conservatives in Ohio. But you're not expected to back that one up, are you? Of course not.

[leekohler]

And you made a sweeping generalization about conservatives in Ohio. But you're not expected to back that one up, are you? Of course not.

Christ! No I didn't! I talked about the ones I LIVED WITH. I made no sweeping generalization about most or even all conservatives in Ohio. You made a blanket statement about this entire political forum, saying that most of the liberals in this forum are students. Did you, or not?

[Wotan31]

Christ! No I didn't! I talked about the ones I LIVED WITH. I made no sweeping generalization about most or even all conservatives in Ohio.
If that's what you intended then fine, whatever, but that's not at all what your wording (which was nearly identical to mine btw) implied. But whatever, I'm done with it.
You made a blanket statement about this entire political forum, saying that most of the liberals in this forum are students. Did you, or not?
I certainly did. Can you provide proof that most of the liberals in this forum are not students? :confused: We've determined I think 3 so far (including yourself) are not. Only a few hundred more to go, right?

[Pocket lint]

I'm glad you're so amused. But then again everything is "out of context" when you don't agree with it, isn't that right. .
Eh, no. You see, there's a word called "context". It doesn't matter if you agree with what is said or not. Things can be in context, and out of context.

Your debate skills here = fail.
Hmm, I only see one here who has no idea about what it is he's saying, but merely parrots what other has said, yet have no clue what the words actually mean.

I'm sorry, I just don't know how else to describe it. The name calling, the bizarre tangents and straw man arguments. It's almost pointless to continue.
Case in point.

Bzzzzzt. Next thread please.

:rolleyes:


Can you provide proof that most of the liberals in this forum are not students? :confused: We've determined I think 3 so far (including yourself) are not. Only a few hundred more to go, right?

You were the one making the claim, ergo you're the one having to back it up. You cannot go "but since you can't prove otherwise, my claim must be true", as you're doing there.

This post of yours was the exact way I said you'd argue earlier in this thread.

[leekohler]

If that's what you intended then fine, whatever, but that's not at all what your wording (which was nearly identical to mine btw) implied. But whatever, I'm done with it.

That's what I intended, and that's what I wrote. And it was not identical or even nearly identical to yours.

I certainly did. Can you provide proof that most of the liberals in this forum are not students? :confused: We've determined I think 3 so far (including yourself) are not. Only a few hundred more to go, right?

You made the claim, you provide the proof.

[Wotan31]

.
You were the one making the claim, ergo you're the one having to back it up. You cannot go "but since you can't prove otherwise, my claim must be true", as you're doing there.
Yes that's fair, my mistake. It was meant as a rhetorical question, to point out the silliness in three people popping up and saying "Not me! I'm not a student!" as if that feeble protest was some sort of undeniable proof to counter my claim.

It's an old poll (but the only thing available) that shows the MR forums are nearly 1/4 full time students.

http://www.macpolls.com/?poll_id=466

[leekohler]

Yes that's fair, my mistake. It was meant as a rhetorical question, to point out the silliness in three people popping up and saying "Not me! I'm not a student!" as if that feeble protest was some sort of undeniable proof to counter my claim.

It's an old poll (but the only thing available) that shows the MR forums are nearly 1/4 full time students. Far far more than the general population of the US:

http://www.macpolls.com/?poll_id=466

So- the forums are not mostly students then. Or are you now going to claim that "mostly" students post in the political forum?

[Pocket lint]

Yes that's fair, my mistake. It was meant as a rhetorical question, to point out the silliness in three people popping up and saying "Not me! I'm not a student!" as if that was some sort of undeniable proof to counter my claim.
Well, since your claim continues to be utterly unsubstantiated, the only "sillyness" you're pointing out is that of your own.


It's an old poll (but the only thing available) that shows the MR forums are nearly 1/4 full time students. Far far more than the general population of the US:

http://www.macpolls.com/?poll_id=466
Eh, 1) it's an internet poll. 2) it's not specifically the people who uses the PRSI, but MR as a whole. 3) Not even a majority are full time students.
That poll says nothing about the people who frequent the PRSI, nor about their political leaning, so I wonder how you can think that poll matters, even if it were new.

Oh, I just realised your "US" -thingy. Noone is saying that only US-citizens voted in that poll, so why do you use the US percentages so directly?

[Wotan31]

So- the forums are not mostly students then. Or are you now going to claim that "mostly" students post in the political forum?
The poll was for the site as a whole and there are no forum by forum numbers. You know that.

[leekohler]

The poll was for the site as a whole and there are no forum by forum numbers. You know that.

So- what is your claim now? or are you finally willing to admit you were wrong?

[Eraserhead]

So- the forums are not mostly students then. Or are you now going to claim that "mostly" students post in the political forum?

Which students do actually post here?

Btw Wotan31 have you ever been outside the US? Outside the developed world?

[Pocket lint]

The poll was for the site as a whole and there are no forum by forum numbers. You know that.

So which is it?
Are you using the poll in an effort to substantiate your claim, or are you using the poll to contradict what you claimed earlier?

[Wotan31]

So- what is your claim now? or are you finally willing to admit you were wrong?
LOL the claim hasn't changed. Based on the sophomoric level of discourse in this forum, it's pretty apparent to me I was spot on. I'll freely admit I have no proof of the occupational makeup of the PRS forum participants. Nobody has that information and you know it. But that's never stopped you from being argumentative, purely for the sake of being argumentative.

[leekohler]

Which students do actually post here?

Btw Wotan31 have you ever been outside the US? Outside the developed world?

Hell if I know. I haven't talked to that many students in here that I can recall. Here's off the top of my head, people I know in this forum who certainly aren't:

skunk
rdowns
arkitect
Iscariot
dukebound85

Feel free to add to the list.

LOL the claim hasn't changed. Based on the sophomoric level of discourse in this forum, it's pretty apparent to me I was spot on. I'll freely admit I have no proof of the occupational makeup of the PRS forum participants. Nobody has that information and you know it. But that's never stopped you from being argumentative, purely for the sake of being argumentative.

A claim based on nothing. And as far as sophomoric discourse goes, you've got that almost monopolized yourself. Not being able to admit you made a mistake isn't exactly "senior" discourse.

[Wotan31]

Btw Wotan31 have you ever been outside the US? Outside the developed world?
I get funny looks going through customs because my passport has extra pages added into it for all the stamps. I've never been to a 3rd world country, but I've seen plenty of war-torn places that surely don't qualify as "the developed world". Why do you ask?

[Pocket lint]

LOL the claim hasn't changed. Based on the sophomoric level of discourse in this forum, it's pretty apparent to me I was spot on.
When in doubt and one's claim cannot be defended, ignore it, move the goal posts and add another unsubstantiated claim.

I'll freely admit I have no proof of the occupational makeup of the PRS forum participants.
Yet you put claims to that effect to the table.

Nobody has that information and you know it.
But of course. Hence why we called you out on your ridiculous claim.

But that's never stopped you from being argumentative, purely for the sake of being argumentative.
Asking you to think and not making unsubstantiated claims are hardly "being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative".



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[Eraserhead]

Hell if I know. I haven't talked to that many students in here that I can recall. Here's off the top of my head, people I know in this forum who certainly aren't:

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Feel free to add to the list.

Myself (but I'm not t3h old either) :p.

[Wotan31]

A claim based on nothing.
Based on nothing. Right. Got it. The percentage of students in these forums is triple the national average. I was way way off the mark, wasn't I? What an absurd claim! Preposterous! :rolleyes:

[leekohler]

Myself (but I'm not t3h old either) :p.

Please copy and add your name. ;)

Based on nothing. Right. Got it. The percentage of students in these forums is triple the national average. I was way way off the mark, wasn't I? :rolleyes:

You claimed the PRSI was mostly liberal students, when only a quarter of the site is students. That's not proof, and is far from reliable. Your claim is based on nothing.

[Pocket lint]

Based on nothing. Right. Got it. The percentage of students in these forums is triple the national average. I was way way off the mark, wasn't I? :rolleyes:

Well, you posted an internet poll, which has been pointed is utterly useless, so, yes: Based on nothing whatsoever.

[Wotan31]

Not being able to admit you made a mistake isn't exactly "senior" discourse.
It's a mistake now because the numbers simply don't exist for this forum? Calling it a mistake implies you have some sort of proof to the contrary. Do you? Lack of evidence doesn't mean it's a mistake. It simply means lack of evidence.

[leekohler]

It's a mistake now because the numbers simply don't exist for this forum? Calling it a mistake implies you have some sort of proof to the contrary. Do you? Lack of evidence doesn't mean it's a mistake. It simply means lack of evidence.

Making claims for which you have no evidence whatsoever is indeed a mistake. Or do you think it's a virtue?

[Pocket lint]

It's a mistake now because the numbers simply don't exist for this forum? Calling it a mistake implies you have some sort of proof to the contrary. Do you? Lack of evidence doesn't mean it's a mistake. It simply means lack of evidence.

And an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

You made the claim, you provide the proof.

[Wotan31]

Your claim is based on nothing.
It's not at all "based on nothing". We've discounted the poll since it is old and has no forum by forum breakdown, fine. But I've seen all the evidence I need. Between the level of discourse, the bizarre reading comprehension, and the idealistic pie in the sky view points, I can say it's very clear to me that this is mostly students in here.

You made the claim that you're not a student. Can you provide proof of employment? You made the claim!!!111

[Pocket lint]

It's not at all "based on nothing". We've discounted the poll since it is old and has no forum by forum breakdown, fine. But I've seen all the evidence I need. Between the level of discourse, the bizarre reading comprehension, and the idealistic pie in the sky view points, I can say it's very clear to me that this is mostly students in here.

Certainly, by any means, let's invent "facts" to fit one's opinion. What more could we possibly ever want :rolleyes:

[Eraserhead]

Please copy and add your name. ;)

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[.Andy]

But I've seen all the evidence I need. Between the level of discourse, the bizarre reading comprehension, and the idealistic pie in the sky view points, I can say it's very clear to me that this is mostly students in here.
Honestly is the best you can do is an ad hominem of the whole forum you've long surpassed having anything productive to add. At this stage your posts are objectively just a giant troll.

[leekohler]

It's not at all "based on nothing". We've discounted the poll since it is old and has no forum by forum breakdown, fine. But I've seen all the evidence I need. Between the level of discourse, the bizarre reading comprehension, and the idealistic pie in the sky view points, I can say it's very clear to me that this is mostly students in here.

Again, based on nothing but opinion.

You made the claim that you're not a student. Can you provide proof of employment? You made the claim!!!111

And you think you're a mature debater? And yes, I can prove that I am employed.

[yg17]

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Now if we add our name to this list and forward it to all our friends, Bill Gates will give us all money, right? :confused: :D

[hulugu]

Interesting.

I'm now a graduate student, but the last time I was in college was 1999. So, according to Wotan31 I was at some point in the real world, although I don't remember the change.

What I do remember is working successfully for two major corporations and then freelancing for a number of years. But, that experience was, apparently, for nought because since I'm now back in academia, my ideas are "idealistic pie in the sky view[s]."

[xUKHCx]

I think that it is time to put this thread to bed.