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ss957916
Oct 4, 2009, 04:45 PM
http://www.johnlewis.com/230645020/Product.aspx

This is what Apple TV should be like (but not need Windows Media Player to stream, obviously!).

But being able to record two off-air channels simultaneously, archive TV shows to USB, expand the HDD with a USB external drive (and fill it with movies!), get VOD movies, stream movies, music and photos (for PC users annoyingly) and all in a smart-looking box - what more can one want? Even not being able to stream from my Mac, I'm not going to wait any longer for an updated ATV (which, looking at Apple's current track record, would likely be seriously lacking anyway) and will buy the FetchTV tomorrow.

I LOVE the idea of saving TV shows to my Macbook Pro if I want. No Apple TV for me!



foofan
Oct 4, 2009, 04:51 PM
since it sells in euros and "enables you to download hundreds of movies and TV shows without subscription ", it is something a european country can get away with, but not in usa

ss957916
Oct 4, 2009, 04:53 PM
Why is this not possible in the USA? Do you not have pay-per-movie VOD? Isn't that exactly how the iTunes store currently works via the Apple TV?

stridemat
Oct 4, 2009, 04:55 PM
Why would this type of product not be able to be sold in states?

I really want to drop some money on an Apple tv, but it needs to offer something much like the one the OP linked.

Cave Man
Oct 4, 2009, 05:01 PM
It's pretty scant on information about the device and the content. But from what is available, I'm not all that impressed. Apple TV + Mac + EyeTV Hybrid for me.

ss957916
Oct 4, 2009, 05:08 PM
The Mac/EyeTV/ATV just seems really cumbersome to me (especially considering I have a MBP - the idea of having to have it tethered to an aerial cable whenever I want it to record something and then exporting it to an iTunes-friendly format to watch on the ATV doesn't appeal).

http://www.which.co.uk/reviews-ns/fetchtv-smartbox-8000/smartbox-8000review/index.jsp

http://www.fetchtv.co.uk/

It looks great to me but, if I'm honest, the reason I've made this thread is to see what others think before I get excited and buy one, so thanks for the input.

Shuttleworth
Oct 4, 2009, 09:37 PM
The EyeTV now has the ability to stream live TV to an iPod Touch or iPhone whenever you are connected to the internet (you need to buy the EyeTV app for a couple of quid). It can also stream your recordings over the internet to the same devices or another computer if they have been converted to the iPod format. Also recordings done by EyeTV can be shared by computers on your local network.

No idea if these features are of use to you, but they are perhaps one advantage of the EyeTV option over this box.

http://www.elgato.com/elgato/int/mainmenu/products/software/EyeTV-app.en.html

shevans
Oct 5, 2009, 01:30 AM
As Cave Man says...

Content vage and details very lacking! The movie covers on the website are not exactly new or exciting either. At FROM 1.99 a movie you could get stung.... At least with an Apple TV you get what is on iTunes and with a bit of creativity not limited to the UK store.

roidy
Oct 5, 2009, 01:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y7Z3ZHxqgM

goto 2:30 to see the interface....

I think I'll stick with ATV, I like to own content not just rent for 24 hours.

ss957916
Oct 5, 2009, 02:29 AM
I have the EyeTV and have the iPhone app. Nice idea but not too practical in my view. It would be lovely to schedule a recording from my iPhone if I could also schedule someone to wake-up my MBP and plug in the aerial!

I currently have a Virgin Media box and have only once rented a movie. Admittedly the movies on the FetchTV look a bit lame - just like the movies available on Apple TV.



I think I'll stick with ATV, I like to own content not just rent for 24 hours.

Not sure what you mean there. It'll still play your own content (It'll stream if you install Windows Media Player or you can use the USB to load your content into it or even plug in an external drive full of your own content. Renting for 24hrs is just one of the features - same as Apple TV.

Also, the product in that YouTube video is the old model so doesn't really count here.

OllyW
Oct 5, 2009, 02:51 AM
The media streaming details are a bit sketchy, will it even work with a Mac?

I've already got a Freeview PVR and Apple TV so it doesn't seem to give me a lot extra over my current set up. If you are looking for a better networked media player to go with your Virgin Box, this new QNAP (http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=117) looks very interesting.

ss957916
Oct 5, 2009, 03:12 AM
The media streaming details are a bit sketchy, will it even work with a Mac?

I've already got a Freeview PVR and Apple TV so it doesn't seem to give me a lot extra over my current set up. If you are looking for a better networked media player to go with your Virgin Box, this new QNAP (http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=117) looks very interesting.

I have said it won't stream from a Mac but, despite that, it offers a lot more than the current ATV.

My Virgin Media box is slow, cumbersome, doesn't record and, even if it could, doesn't have two tuners. It's rarely switched on.

GermanSuplex
Oct 5, 2009, 04:36 AM
I'm not impressed.

You can do essentially the same thing on the Apple TV. You pay for what you want. I've downloaded several series of TV to watch on the Apple TV. Many podcasts are full-length shows that are free of charge, there are decent priced movie rentals that you can watch at decent-enough prices...

I don't see what the huge difference is. I'm not really all that hassled by switching back and forth between my cable box DVR and the Apple TV either. My cable subscription isn't that badly priced and includes more commercial-free programming and movies on demand than I could ever care to watch.

roidy
Oct 5, 2009, 08:16 AM
Not sure what you mean there. It'll still play your own content (It'll stream if you install Windows Media Player or you can use the USB to load your content into it or even plug in an external drive full of your own content. Renting for 24hrs is just one of the features - same as Apple TV.

Also, the product in that YouTube video is the old model so doesn't really count here.

What I mean is I like to buy my content outright so I can still watch it in years to come like I can on the ATV and not just rent it for a limited time. I know you can use USB to load your own content but you've still gotta get that content from somewhere and none of your DRM'd iTunes content is gonna play on it.

Yes the hardware may be old in the youtube video but it's a good bet it's all based around the same firmware, even the bloke in the video says it's the same as an old NetGem box just with a different firmware.

If you could purchase content to keep forever then I'd take another look at it. However if you only ever want to rent stuff and if the selection of content rivaled iTunes then it might stand a chance.

Jaunty
Apr 2, 2010, 03:40 AM
I have said it won't stream from a Mac but, despite that, it offers a lot more than the current ATV.

My Virgin Media box is slow, cumbersome, doesn't record and, even if it could, doesn't have two tuners. It's rarely switched on.

Sorry to drag up this thread, but why on earth haven't you got a V+ box? 3 tuners and overall a great experience.

ss957916
Apr 2, 2010, 04:03 AM
Sorry to drag up this thread, but why on earth haven't you got a V+ box? 3 tuners and overall a great experience.

Cos I don't want to pay for subscription TV - I'll just be paying money for a load of utter rubbish I'll never watch.

And to update this thread - that FetchTV was crap! I took it back a few days after buying it and got Apple TV. My Apple TV is certainly nothing special (only 40 or 160GB hard drive - what's that all about?!) with all it's freezing-up, no HDMI output and no Freeview tuner etc. but at least I no longer need a DVD player sitting under my TV.

The Mad Hatter
Apr 2, 2010, 04:47 AM
<snip> no HDMI output <snip>

I hope you're not talking about the ATV. My ATV has HDMI, and works fine. I have it plugged into my Yamaha receiver, and all is good.

ss957916
Apr 2, 2010, 05:12 AM
you're right - my mistake.

trip1ex
Apr 2, 2010, 08:22 AM
It's called Tivo here in the States. :)

shinji
Apr 2, 2010, 09:08 PM
For anyone looking for a souped-up apple tv, like the competitors of the Western Digital WDTV, there's this comparison chart I found http://www.iboum.com/sort/media-player-comparison-table.php

Ice-Cube
Apr 2, 2010, 10:34 PM
I will def get the Boxee - http://www.boxee.tv/box

I have been waiting since forever for this.

shinji
Apr 2, 2010, 10:37 PM
I will def get the Boxee - http://www.boxee.tv/box

I have been waiting since forever for this.

I think the release date is in June?

The beta is a little buggy...if they iron it out, I will definitely consider it.

wombat888
Apr 2, 2010, 11:16 PM
Not sure why this would be preferable to an Apple TV even setting aside interface and iTunes.

And then - there's interface and iTunes. Maybe this has as good an interface, but then again, maybe not. And it's very unlikely it works with iTunes.

shinji
Apr 2, 2010, 11:37 PM
Not sure why this would be preferable to an Apple TV even setting aside interface and iTunes.

And then - there's interface and iTunes. Maybe this has as good an interface, but then again, maybe not. And it's very unlikely it works with iTunes.

It does tv streams from Hulu. At least in theory.

Also plays more formats. Don't know about iTunes integration, but http://www.boxee.com if you want to try the beta

Bye Bye Baby
Apr 3, 2010, 01:49 AM
I must say of all the ATV competitors that I have seen, nothing outdoes what the ATV says it will do. For what it promises it is the best thing on the market.

Having said that I would like a couple of changes. The ability to watch 1080P content, to be able to stream to other devices (iphone ipad etc).

Not really interested in DVR. TV on the whole is pretty lame.

wombat888
Apr 4, 2010, 08:21 AM
It does tv streams from Hulu. At least in theory.

Also plays more formats. Don't know about iTunes integration, but http://www.boxee.com if you want to try the beta

TV streams from Hulu - interesting, but not a killer app to me. I have TV service, and a DVR. If I want to see something, I can see it. I'm not that into TV.

More formats - another minor plus - I can watch content from the iTunes store; I can rip DVDs and put them on the Apple TV if I want; I can put videos from my handheld camera on the Apple TV. What other formats do I need?

iTunes integration is more important than those things, and interface (which is unknown for this device) is also important.

As for 1080p - yes, I'd prefer that, too, but the main limitation for downloaded/streaming content isn't hardware, it's bandwidth. Until that's solved for, improving the hardware to work with 1080p will be of little importance. The only advantage would be letting you rip a Blu-Ray to the Apple TV at 1080p (and why not just play the Blu-Ray instead?).

shinji
Apr 4, 2010, 01:33 PM
TV streams from Hulu - interesting, but not a killer app to me. I have TV service, and a DVR. If I want to see something, I can see it. I'm not that into TV.

More formats - another minor plus - I can watch content from the iTunes store; I can rip DVDs and put them on the Apple TV if I want; I can put videos from my handheld camera on the Apple TV. What other formats do I need?

iTunes integration is more important than those things, and interface (which is unknown for this device) is also important.

As for 1080p - yes, I'd prefer that, too, but the main limitation for downloaded/streaming content isn't hardware, it's bandwidth. Until that's solved for, improving the hardware to work with 1080p will be of little importance. The only advantage would be letting you rip a Blu-Ray to the Apple TV at 1080p (and why not just play the Blu-Ray instead?).

Oops...gave the wrong link in the last post, it should be http://www.boxee.tv/ not .com

Anyway, we do know the interface...Boxee is an app that runs on macs, pcs, and even the apple tv with a hack. The Boxee Box is simply a set-top box dedicated to running Boxee.

As for formats, it really depends what kind of content you have. With DVD's that you own, one advantage is that you don't need to spend time encoding. Boxee plays the VIDEO_TS or .iso. You also don't have to stream- you can simply put them on an external hd or NAS and Boxee will play it.

But if you wanted to stream, wired ethernet over your local network can absolutely stream 1080p. I do that to my PS3. Wireless is another story.

But you're right it can't play protected DRM content from the iTunes store...for that you are permanently locked into Apple.