Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.6.2 Build 10C514f to Developers

[MacRumors]

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Apple today seeded to developers a new build of Mac OS X Snow Leopard (Build 10C514f).

The seed is said to contain dozens of minor bug fixes and performance improvements in these areas: Address Book, AppleScript, AppleScriptObjC, ATS, ColorSync, Component Manager, Core Animation, Core Audio, Core Chinese Engine, Core Data, Core Graphics, Core Text, File Manager, Garbage Collection, Graphic drivers, Help Viewer, ImageKit, IOHIDFamily, Networking, NS Image, OpenCL, OpenGL, OSA, QT Kit, Speech Recognition, Sync Services, and Xtype.

The seed notes reportedly include a caution that there is a known issue with optical drives: that they may not be recognized and the eject key may not eject the media, and that DVD Player may hang. As a result, not all developers may choose to install this build.

Mac OS X 10.6.1 (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/10/apple-releases-mac-os-x-10-6-1/) was released September 10.

Article Link: Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.6.2 Build 10C514f to Developers (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/10/05/apple-seeds-mac-os-x-10-6-2-build-10c514f-to-developers/)

[yettimillan]

Wow that was really quick, hopefully speech recognition will work better for English speakers from England.

[mgridgaway]

I'm excited! The 10.*.2 and .3 releases usually fix the bigger, nagging problems, while the .1 releases are usually reserved for the "holy-crap-how-could-we-have-missed-this" bugs.

[bigandy]

Graphic drivers, Networking
Can't come soon enough - this is holding up our deployment...

[tofagerl]

Holy laundry list of "areas", Batman!

[pake]

I'm exited about an update for Address book, mine has been buggy and unstable since snow leopard. My old ibook even loads contacts faster than my macbook pro with SL!
I welcome 10.6.2!

[Mac4Brains]

lets hope that they fix software raid abilities

[jon08]

Good! I'm getting a new HDD along with SL on Thursday, so I guess I'll wait for a couple more days then till 10.6.2 is officially released and then finally install SL!:cool:

[zwilliams07]

I hope they fix up the ATI problems, especially the OpenCL stuff. My 4870HD is getting sad.

[Wayfarer]

Yay! This could only be good news. One version closer to Mac OS X 10.7! :D

[miki66]

orz...my 10.6 disk still remains unopen:eek: updates are coming out too soon

[n-abounds]

Just give me decent Quicktime preferences back. ahem...autoplay...ahem.

[RobMSantos]

Ooooh, very nice list of background performance fixes. Can't wait.

[SolidShadow]

I'm really hoping that the graphics driver upgrade makes the fan on my Radeon HD 3870 quieter. It works fine under Leopard but in snow leopard the fan runs at much higher speeds. It's the only problem I'm having with Snow Leopard. If that's fixed I'll switch to it and not look back.

[bailorg]

Because I'd really like to not have to reset my iPhone twice a day to make/receive phone calls and text messages, which would seem to be a more urgent problem for Apple to address.

[DCJ001]

Just give me decent Quicktime preferences back. ahem...autoplay...ahem.

QuickTime Player X Preference Pane (Mac OS X 10.6 only)

http://megabytecomp.com/apps.aspx

[MrCrowbar]

Address Book fix, ey? I hope I can create new contacts and just drag picture into the new VCard's picture slot. It just doesn't open up that picture zoom tool or put the picture in the contact sheet. Only after clicking "edit" and opening other VCards it works. Well, sometimes.

Somebody seems to have heard my prayers (and read my bug report). :p

[ortuno2k]

I hope they fix the Airport problems. My MBP hangs while downloading large files from the Internet, and it only happens at home while connected to my Extreme N Air Station. Doesn't happen at work with the Linksys.
Tried resetting the Extreme settings and using lower security, but still hangs every now and then. All other devices remain connected while my MBP hangs...ugh!
Other than that, no other issues with 10.6.1

Looking forward for this update!

[ungraphic]

OpenCL needs to support the ATI HD3870. Apple's focusing too much on its ipods and iphones, they should do something for their customers who paid good money and made an investment (the mac pro users).

[greg400]

Just give me decent Quicktime preferences back. ahem...autoplay...ahem.

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/27025/secrets

Hidden Quicktime X preferences. Including the ability to activate Auto-Play.

Edit: Looks like i'm a little late...

[ungraphic]

Wait, hold the press.

GARBAGE COLLECTION? Would this be an indication that OS X Snow Leopard is actually putting out some proper support for SSD drives?!

[ipoppy]

Dont know about rest of you but since I have upgraded to SL everything is just not right. Movies in QT slows down, items in dock don't want to be kept in dock for some reason, ichat behaving strange with video and audio. Generally speaking is all shhit. What about Apple's "Everything just works" thingy?
Or maybe my Macbook Pro getting old for this:rolleyes:

[IronRoses]

Hopefully this graphics drivers willfix the aspect ratio problem i am having with my Lg flatron W2243S LCd screen.

Since snow leopard, it has been unable to notice that my screen is infact a wdie display, thus staying in 4:3 aspect ratio!

Well, snow leopard can only get better. This is how bad the Os is, Apple is already working on a patch. such a bloody joke to me!!

[Skorpion24]

Well I really hope this will fix my problems with spaces slowdowns...

[Mactagious]

Well 10.6 fixed dvd playback as well as the eject. I replaced my OEM drive with a HL-DT-ST BDDVDRW GBC-H20L. I've noticed a lot of app crashes in mail, safari and quicktime.

I hope the updates don't work backwards for me.

[heisetax]

Because a new Mac now will not run on 10.5.8 because it needs at least 10.6.0 or 10.6.1 to boot, this would be a bad time to purchase one. With a new Mac there is no old OS to go back to at the present time. That's one thing that will keep me from updating my Macs. Maybe by 10.6.3 or 10.6.4 for that.

I'm still running 10.6.1 on a separate drive to test it out. So far I've been unimpressed with the OS. Maybe when I have more software that needs 10.6 & it is in a better operating condition I'll see some use for it. I still have a lot of friends that are running 10.4 on their Macs. Some say that they will update to 10.5, but that has been the story for a year or more now. Because of a malfunctioning ATI X1900 video card I have only been running 10.5 for just over a year.

[MrCrowbar]

Wait, hold the press.

GARBAGE COLLECTION? Would this be an indication that OS X Snow Leopard is actually putting out some proper support for SSD drives?!

Nah, it's just a feature that empties the trash once a week. Some people think they need a bigger hard drives when they could have just emptied the hundreds of gigabytes in the trash. ;)

[jonnysods]

I'm still holding out getting this on my main machine - I have it on 3 out of 4 of our computers - I just want to see this working a little better and hear about a few less problems before I take the risk.

I'm concerned that it will render a lot of my software + plugins useless. My 3 machines have a lot of beach balling on very simple tasks, more so than Leopard.

It's good to see Apple are all over the bugs though.

Having said all this, I'm excited about the years ahead with GCD and what developers can write for SL.

[MythicFrost]

Awesome, how long can we expect until we see this released as a software update?

[heisetax]

Because I'd really like to not have to reset my iPhone twice a day to make/receive phone calls and text messages, which would seem to be a more urgent problem for Apple to address.

This better be 2 separate groups & have little or nothing to do with each other.

[G4DP]

Is there anything left, that is not getting a set of fixes?

Seems like the whole OS is being fixed in 10.6.2.

[Bokito]

With all the fixes to the core elements to the system I guess we better call 10.6.2 the real Snow Leopard. Guess it will take 2 months max until they get the final version out from Cupertino, then the core developers can finally shift focus to the next release of Mac OS X.

[jonnysods]

OpenCL needs to support the ATI HD3870. Apple's focusing too much on its ipods and iphones, they should do something for their customers who paid good money and made an investment (the mac pro users).

Preach that. I'm a little frustrated at the performance of my Mac Pro - tons of power, but it seems to hang more than my Penryn MacBook! I don't know if it's a gfx driver issue or what. Running 10.5 on it still out of the fear of using 10.6

[heisetax]

OpenCL needs to support the ATI HD3870. Apple's focusing too much on its ipods and iphones, they should do something for their customers who paid good money and made an investment (the mac pro users).

The only Mac computer or product lower on Apple's update list than the Intel Mac Pro is the Intel Mac Mini. As a 1st gen Intel Mac Pro owner I see that it is usually over a year by a few months before there is an upgrade.

I have 2 ATI 3870's in my Intel Mac Pro. The fans are quiet now, but I am running 10.5.8 now. This seems to be more of a time thing with fan speed rather than the OS version for me.

[Takuta-Nui]

No Airport Admin Utility for Graphite and Snow?

Dear me. Ever since that was rendered incompatible with SL, I haven't been able to change my wireless security to the proper settings when I want to use my Nintendo DS. Oddly enough, using the normal Airport utility didn't produce the same results as G&S - my DS wasn't able to access the wireless.

Well, it only helps me wean off my Pokemon games... :P Lookin' forward to a good ol' update.

[celticpride678]

I am hoping that 10.6.2 will increase battery life, improve Airport performance (maybe finally solve sleep and reconnecting issues), and just increase performance overall. The Airport issue has been around for a while, and just like bluetooth being fixed after a very long time of issues, so can Airport. C'mon, Apple.

But I say a good month or two of testing before this gets released.

[theBigD23]

I'm having two minor issues:
-When deleting files, sometimes a bunch of files, sometimes 1 or 2 from the desktop or through Finder, I get the delete sound, but from the delete sound to actually having the files be removed, take a second or so. Seems like there is some hiccup when I'm deleting.

-When opening a video with Quicktime X, the video opens behind other windows. It's doesn't open in the front.

[devburke]

All I ask is that they fix the Apple Remote issue. PLEASE.

[hampy]

I'm also hoping that the Airport/Networking issues are sorted out in the new upgrade - my Macbook has weird DNS issues with my Time Capsule wireless connection (I can surf the web but Mail doesn't send or receive), even though everything is fine on non-Airport networks. (And my non-SL Macs are fine with the Time Capsule.)

Beyond that, am I the only one who would also appreciate a setting that allows you to make Time Machine backups less frequently than every hour? I know there are third-party solutions to that, but why doesn't Apple introduce and support one as part of the OS? Many of us don't want our machines to get a laggy connection every hour, which mine does when it's backing up.

[iMacmatician]

As someone mentioned on the other thread…I wonder if there are any strings or modifiers of any new Mac models or hardware.

[devburke]

I'm also hoping that the Airport/Networking issues are sorted out in the new upgrade - my Macbook has weird DNS issues with my Time Capsule wireless connection (I can surf the web but Mail doesn't send or receive), even though everything is fine on non-Airport networks. (And my non-SL Macs are fine with the Time Capsule.)

Beyond that, am I the only one who would also appreciate a setting that allows you to make Time Machine backups less frequently than every hour? I know there are third-party solutions to that, but why doesn't Apple introduce and support one as part of the OS? Many of us don't want our machines to get a laggy connection every hour, which mine does when it's backing up.

I think the idea behind it happening frequently is that it keeps the backup size each time small. You could always just toggle the giant ON/OFF switch when you’re doing something where you don’t want Time Machine to run. Then again, I’m not speaking from the point of view from someone who’s done Time Machine backups wirelessly, so it’s never been a performance hit for me.

[blufire]

Wait, hold the press.

GARBAGE COLLECTION? Would this be an indication that OS X Snow Leopard is actually putting out some proper support for SSD drives?!
I believe they're referring to RAM garbage collection, not the SSD variety you're talking about (TRIM?)

[Eidorian]

As someone mentioned on the other thread…I wonder if there are any strings or modifiers of any new Mac models or hardware.I nice to see you remember these buggers as well. :p

I just want to see the Open/Save dialog problems fixed and the column view back in Spotlight.

[akac]

Wait, hold the press.

GARBAGE COLLECTION? Would this be an indication that OS X Snow Leopard is actually putting out some proper support for SSD drives?!

Garbage Collection is a type of programming term. Memory in apps is either manually or automatically collected.

[akac]

Because I'd really like to not have to reset my iPhone twice a day to make/receive phone calls and text messages, which would seem to be a more urgent problem for Apple to address.

Have you tried a full restore to factory fresh settings? Its not something I've heard being a common problem.

[bplein]

Wait, hold the press.

GARBAGE COLLECTION? Would this be an indication that OS X Snow Leopard is actually putting out some proper support for SSD drives?!

No, it probably wouldn't.

Operating systems don't interact at all with the garbage collection systems of SSDs. Garbage collection internal to the SSD. They can, however, implement TRIM or similar and that in turn will help the SSDs with garbage collection.

They are probably referring to garbage collection in memory.

[jmcguckin]

orz...my 10.6 disk still remains unopen:eek: updates are coming out too soon

remind me again how a company sending out a rapid-fire set of updates in order to make their OS more stable could be construed as a bad thing? I mean aside from the handful of seconds it takes to fire up Software Update and let it do its thing (along with the occasional restart), I'm definitely not understanding your point of view... besides, you haven't even installed the OS yet, what are you complaining about?

I'm welcoming this update as I did *.1, particularly because of the Address Book and graphics improvements... looking forward to having an even more stable MacBook once I've got this installed :) (seriously, my experience with Snow Leopard couldn't be better).

[MikhailT]

Wait, hold the press.

GARBAGE COLLECTION? Would this be an indication that OS X Snow Leopard is actually putting out some proper support for SSD drives?!

No, they are talking about improving the garbage collection for applications, most likely Cocoa based apps that uses Objective-C 2.0's garbage collection which is an automatic memory management by the programming language instead of the developers.

Nah, it's just a feature that empties the trash once a week. Some people think they need a bigger hard drives when they could have just emptied the hundreds of gigabytes in the trash. ;)

Funny but look above.

I believe they're referring to RAM garbage collection, not the SSD variety you're talking about (TRIM?)

Not TRIM, there's two separate things that is in the SSD world, the idle garbage collection scheme that is in the second generation SSDs like Vertex where the controller tries to clean up after its NANDs when the SSD is idling, and then there's TRIM which is an ongoing standard that requires both the OS and SSD to be aware of deleted files so that it can clean up those blocks used by deleted files.

[fjpoblam]

...but then, maybe I'm imagining things. Jittery instead of smooth scrolling on multi-link pages (e.g. "my Yahoo!" feed-filled start page). Inconsistent behavior with Twitter (sometimes very slow; sometimes out-and-out crash).

[visitronix]

Hoping this makes Traktor 3 play nice with SL or I'll have to downgrade to Leopard. (Again!)

[NEENAHBOY]

They really need to address fan performance, as the ones in my Late 2008 Unibody MBP have been off-the-charts loud with even the slightest processor-intensive task ever since I installed Snow Leopard.

[daneoni]

Good, one step closer. 10.6.3 is the version where i'm looking to jump on the wagon. In the interim i'll be looking for an SSD.

[ungraphic]

No, they are talking about improving the garbage collection for applications, most likely Cocoa based apps that uses Objective-C 2.0's garbage collection which is an automatic memory management by the programming language instead of the developers.

Damn it! I've been looking at buying an SSD drive to replace my 2x250gb RAID0 setup. Would free up a bay, less noise and heat and better performance.

[Spinnetti]

First time I've really regretted an upgrade... HOPEFULLY they fixed the huge gaff where I can't get pictures off my cameras! (unless I do it in windows/boot camp!)

[dblissmn]

Everything's working very well here on a Penryn 10.6.1 MBP. However, it could benefit from work on the graphics drivers. Flash performance seems a bit iffy and excessively demanding of the processor, apart from full-screen playback which works beautifully and efficiently (if you use Netflix online, upgrade to Snow Leopard NOW!). Fan performance very reasonable overall. I have found no other issues. Oh, and I got back more than 10GB of hard drive.

This is the fastest I've updated to a new system since Jaguar came out and released me from the hell of 9.2.2. Leopard always was kind of a pain for me.

Key thing for me is my CS3 and MS Office are working fine and everything else I regularly use, mostly stuff for academic research, issued updates within a few days of the SL launch.

[celticpride678]

Is there anything left, that is not getting a set of fixes?

Seems like the whole OS is being fixed in 10.6.2.

I think that is good. Let them make Snow Leopard as stable as possible like 10.5.8 was. The only thing I hope is that, they don't "break" anything else when fixing this stuff.

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/10/05/apple-seeds-mac-os-x-10-6-2-build-10c514f-to-developers/)

The seed notes reportedly include a caution that there is a known issue with optical drives: that they may not be recognized and the eject key may not eject the media, and that DVD Player may hang. As a result, not all developers may choose to install this build.

I don't like that...

And maybe Adobe can finally fix their issues with Flash for Mac OS X, or is that too much too ask for?

[thejadedmonkey]

Sweet! Progress, for the sake of progress, is always welcome :p

[dmnmt]

Am I the only one that thinks that Apple released this OS 10.6 update too early? The only one that is affected by the incompatibilities? The only one that is now seriously concerned with the next series of incompatibilities (aka updates)?

Hello everyone. We should let Apple know that everything is not as sweet as Apple Pie.:mad:

[gt1948]

Am I the only one that thinks that Apple released this OS 10.6 update too early? The only one that is affected by the incompatibilities? The only one that is now seriously concerned with the next series of incompatibilities (aka updates)?

Hello everyone. We should let Apple know that everything is not as sweet as Apple Pie.:mad:

Amen, hopefully this update will fix the constant crashes with Photoshop, Safari, Preview, Mail involving graphics files.

Adobe has acknowledge that there is a problem (Apple or Adobe they didn't say) and they are working with Apple to fix, maybe this is it.

[ravenvii]

I hope this update fixes the sleep issues on iMacs, dammit!

[Peace]

Am I the only one that thinks that Apple released this OS 10.6 update too early? The only one that is affected by the incompatibilities? The only one that is now seriously concerned with the next series of incompatibilities (aka updates)?

Hello everyone. We should let Apple know that everything is not as sweet as Apple Pie.:mad:

This release isn't an "update". It's a beta seed for registered developers.

There will be more seeds for devs until the release.

[NT1440]

Hopefully it solves the initial time machine backup unexpected ejection issues. I'd like to start having backups again like I did in Leopard.

[PurrBall]

I hope this update fixes the sleep issues on iMacs, dammit!

My iMac isn't having any sleep issues...

[mosx]

Two issues that desperately need to be fixed in Snow Leopard on my unibody MacBook:

Sleep. If I sleep the system and connect it to or already have it connected to my external display, while using either Apple's mini DisplayPort to VGA or mono price's mini DisplayPort to HDMI adapter, the system won't wake up properly. It wakes up then goes back to sleep immediately. On the second try it will work, but all of the icons in a Finder window will disappear and sometimes the menubar goes solid and won't change back.

Second issue is with audio. If I connect headphones or speakers, if its the first time after booting up, I will have to disconnect and reconnect them for the Mac to recognize the connection.

I did a clean install of Snow Leopard, no upgrading.

Neither of these problems existed in Leopard.

Neither of these problems currently exist in Windows 7 using Boot Camp 3

[jovanboi]

I hope this fixes the rather irritating Airport/Wireless issues I've been having, *only* after upgrading to Snow Leopard.

[rth231]

If they don't fix the glitch in Exposé in 10.6.2 I'm switching back to Vista. At least that was bug free... In all seriousness, Apple, fix the glitch!

[Eric S.]

Wow, with this many fixes it sounds like waiting until 10.6.3 might be prudent.

Because a new Mac now will not run on 10.5.8 because it needs at least 10.6.0 or 10.6.1 to boot, this would be a bad time to purchase one. With a new Mac there is no old OS to go back to at the present time. That's one thing that will keep me from updating my Macs. Maybe by 10.6.3 or 10.6.4 for that.

All current models will run 10.5. The next round of HW upgrades won't.

[TsMkLg068426]

The issues I got: Going straight to sleep mode instead of first going to screensaver, Hogs memory even though I switch application to open up in 32-bit (Don't know if that works or should make a difference), iTunes when inserting an audio CD it takes a while for the album info to be loaded from CDDB and also clicking the eject button on iTunes for my CD the spinning circle comes up and takes a while to eject.


I know that I need to upgrade my memory from 1GB to 4GB which I am planing to do so but since I have switched most application from running in 64-bit to 32-bit it still eats up a lot of memory also my EFI is 32 Bit until if there is some sort of firmware update to 64-bit don't know if that makes sense at all, I am not going to bother with 64-bit.

[Menge]

If they don't fix the glitch in Exposé in 10.6.2 I'm switching back to Vista. At least that was bug free... In all seriousness, Apple, fix the glitch!
I'm also annoyed at Exposé! Before you could click a window and start typing right away (before the animation finishes) and the events would go to the new window, now it still goes to the old one until the animation finishes. This is SO getting on my nerves! I've lost count of the times that I had to undo changes to an unintended document due to this behavior.

[rhb]

Second issue is with audio. If I connect headphones or speakers, if its the first time after booting up, I will have to disconnect and reconnect them for the Mac to recognize the connection.

That's funny... of all these problems folks are having w/ SL, yours is the only one I've experienced, with my audio I/O box -- and it's a real pain. Maybe they'll address it in the "Core Audio" fix, whatever that'll be. I've been surprised at this bug; usually Apple gets the multimedia architecture right, and leaves a million other things to be fixed later. Or so it seems.

[ravenvii]

My iMac isn't having any sleep issues...

I think it's a problem with the early 2008 iMacs. If you explicitly tell the machine to go to sleep, it goes to sleep no problem. But if you set it to go to sleep in Energy Saver, it just wouldn't go to sleep automatically.

[andrew upstairs]

Hoping this makes Traktor 3 play nice with SL or I'll have to downgrade to Leopard. (Again!)Works fine with Traktor Pro.

[skate71290]

something that is really annoying the crap out of me, copying files to and from the time capsule have to be copied twice because the first file is continuously used by OSX, and TC keeps shutting down frequently... not appreciating SL as much as i thought i would :( :mad: :eek:

[twoodcc]

i will wait to install this build. but looks like a lot of fixes though

[skate71290]

Am I the only one that thinks that Apple released this OS 10.6 update too early? The only one that is affected by the incompatibilities? The only one that is now seriously concerned with the next series of incompatibilities (aka updates)?

Hello everyone. We should let Apple know that everything is not as sweet as Apple Pie.:mad:

thinking the same thing..... probs a stupid thing to say but if a line of code works how the hell can it not work when Apple changes it... they seem to fix stuff but at the same time break stuff? i think it could be intentional?

[MacDSmith2]

Am I the only one that thinks that Apple released this OS 10.6 update too early? The only one that is affected by the incompatibilities? The only one that is now seriously concerned with the next series of incompatibilities (aka updates)?

Hello everyone. We should let Apple know that everything is not as sweet as Apple Pie.:mad:

I agree! It looks to me like someone rushed 10.6 into production too soon before it was adequately tested and all the bugs fixed. You KNOW there has to be a big bug list sitting on someone's desk with all these "TO DO" items on it for there to have been two updates in such a short period of time! Maybe Apple needs to beef up their QA team. Or maye they HAD to rush it in order to have SOMETHING in tme for the hardware updates they wanted to make BEFORE the holiday season?

[avidmacuser]

Am I the only one that thinks that Apple released this OS 10.6 update too early? The only one that is affected by the incompatibilities? The only one that is now seriously concerned with the next series of incompatibilities (aka updates)?

Hello everyone. We should let Apple know that everything is not as sweet as Apple Pie.:mad:

I am pretty sure that there will be many more updates to come for Snow Leopard. What gets fixed in which version number is irrelevant to me although I'm sure we all want as much as possible done right from the start. If all updates so far including those coming in 10.6.2 would have been included in the first initial release version and with that knowing there will surely be further updates ahead, perhaps everything is too soon?...If I understand your point correctly.

I am also pretty sure that Apple has received a great deal of info on exactly 'what' to fix from users that have taken advantage of the first initial 10.6 release and continues to gather available info from its user base and feedback through various channels such as bug reports and forum posts.

[kunze50]

I can really live with all the minor bugs in apps when compared to the heat and fan issues I'v had with SL more graphics intense operations + Flash video, (which is an issue aside).

[avidmacuser]

strangely enough iPhoto can't get my photos off my camera or iPhone? really need a GOOD... not crappy iLife and iWork update

I was beginning to think it was my camera's fault. One way I found around it is to manually drag each individual file to the finder from ImageCapture

[skate71290]

I was beginning to think it was my camera's fault. One way I found around it is to manually drag each individual file to the finder from ImageCapture

thanks for the tip... defeats the object of paying for iLife though lol :( second guessing my decision to pick up a unibody macbook pro instead of a powerhouse dell

[avidmacuser]

I hope this update fixes the sleep issues on iMacs, dammit!

No sleep issues here on my 8,1 - 2.8 C2D - 24"

It would help to understand your dilemma if we had a little more info on what iMac you are having these issues with as it seems that perhaps not all iMacs are exhibiting sleep issues, as I am not experiencing any sleep issues at all as stated above.

[avidmacuser]

I think it's a problem with the early 2008 iMacs. If you explicitly tell the machine to go to sleep, it goes to sleep no problem. But if you set it to go to sleep in Energy Saver, it just wouldn't go to sleep automatically.

I have an early 2008 iMac 24" and goes to sleep just fine after the time specified in Energy Saver preference pane.

[MartiNZ]

All I'm really holding out for is the fix to sorting within stacks. Items in subfolders are sorted by name no matter what your preference setting is. It is really annoying not being able to sort by kind and have all of the folders in a row! They added it for open/save dialogs and broke it for stacks!

I've given up on any and all Dashboard bugs and issues, as has Apple.

And I haven't found much else that bugs me. But really looking forward to 10.6.2 is for sure; Googled "10.6.2" yesterday, so it has been on my mind, good to have some news :).

[avidmacuser]

thanks for the tip... defeats the object of paying for iLife though lol :( second guessing my decision to pick up a unibody macbook pro instead of a powerhouse dell

Its early in the Snow Leopard realm and fixes are coming out fast. I think if you did go for the Dell system, you would have plenty of other issues to deal with with a different OS or OS's but we wont go into that potentially lengthy list at this point and I'll save it for another thread.

By the sounds of it much will be improved upon in the upcoming update(s).

[scroto]

Its early in the Snow Leopard realm and fixes are coming out fast. I think if you did go for the Dell system, you would have plenty of other issues to deal with with a different OS or OS's but we wont go into that potentially lengthy list at this point and I'll save it for another thread.

By the sounds of it much will be improved upon in the upcoming update(s).

Are you Kidding? this thread alone is filled with a ton of different issues. Maybe you should of bought the Dell and saved yourself some money.

Please enlighten us with the issues of owning a new Dell. I'm using a Studio XPS with a Core i7 CPU and 6GB of ram with an ATI 4850 that I only payed $799 for. I'll tell you right now I don't have any issues with my OS and It will blow the doors off your Imacs.

[A Macbook Pro]

Sweet! My SL problems which were decreased minimally with .1 will hopefully go away with .2, but when .3 comes out, SL will truly shine.

[rhb]

I'll tell you right now I don't have any issues with my OS <snip>

If that's true, you're obv not doing anything overtly demanding, so congrats for that. For those of us who need OSX for our daily work, and whose clients require it (because we actually need to access the capabilities of a modern computer), your setup is a joke. Here's a bib, and ****.

[mercuryguy]

Looks like Windows 7 is more stable than 10.6 right now.

[theBigD23]

If that's true, you're obv not doing anything overtly demanding, so congrats for that. For those of us who need OSX for our daily work, and whose clients require it (because we actually need to access the capabilities of a modern computer), your setup is a joke. Here's a bib, and ****.

I use it for work daily, hours upon hours per day and SL has been so much better for me than Leopard. Less bugs, less issues with TM, networking. You can choose to downgrade if you'd like.

[That-Is-Bull]

I've just realized that other than the occasional grey screen of death when I click a top site, I haven't had many problems with SL at all. It's surprisingly stable and bug-free as hell, much more so than 10.5.8 and below. And this is only 10.6.1.

[PurrBall]

I use it for work daily, hours upon hours per day and SL has been so much better for me than Leopard. Less bugs, less issues with TM, networking. You can choose to downgrade if you'd like.

He's talking about Windows, not SL :P

I must say that everyone, no matter how much they hate Windows, needs to try Windows 7. It's really good.

[m3kilpat]

The two main issues I've seen that I hope this fixes is the beach balling problem many people have experienced for no apparent reason and the fact that you can't connect to a samba server. The apple remote problem is annoying too.

[MartiNZ]

He's talking about Windows, not SL :P

I must say that everyone, no matter how much they hate Windows, needs to try Windows 7. It's really good.

I'm hoping to. I always really enjoyed using Vista when I had it boot camped; in fact preferred it to running Leopard for quite a period. It's only a shame Windows 7 is still going to be so expensive!

[avidmacuser]

Are you Kidding? this thread alone is filled with a ton of different issues. Maybe you should of bought the Dell and saved yourself some money.

Please enlighten us with the issues of owning a new Dell. I'm using a Studio XPS with a Core i7 CPU and 6GB of ram with an ATI 4850 that I only payed $799 for. I'll tell you right now I don't have any issues with my OS and It will blow the doors off your Imacs.

As I said, I'm not going to get into the Win/MacOS debate. I think its great that your system is working out great for you as it seems more suitable to your attitude and standpoint. As far as enlightening you, I think each one is responsible for their own enlightenment so I cant help you there but I will say this is that the first issue I'd have with owning a pc is that the modern Mac OS is not currently natively supported.

As with any initial release versions of OS's there are issues to work out and as far as blowing the doors off my iMac, there are faster more powerful Macs out there so I might agree with you. In a comparative analogy a WW1 tank could blow the doors off a lot of other vehicles, that certainly does not mean I'd want to drive one yet alone own one. In context to that analogy a personal choice in user experience is good and I have mine and you have yours. Feel free to see it your way but for me to part-take in an argumentative debate... nah... it takes two to tango... and I'm not dancing to the tune of yet another pointless debate. Each to their own. Best wishes.

[Sambo110]

I hope it finally fixes Airport on my iMac. It always turns off after going to sleep I think, then I have to restart it to fix it.

[Amdahl]

thinking the same thing..... probs a stupid thing to say but if a line of code works how the hell can it not work when Apple changes it... they seem to fix stuff but at the same time break stuff? i think it could be intentional?

It is called insufficient testing and a customer base with low expectations and high apologist factor.

I am also pretty sure that Apple has received a great deal of info on exactly 'what' to fix from users that have taken advantage of the first initial 10.6 release and continues to gather available info from its user base and feedback through various channels such as bug reports and forum posts.Yeah, beta testing is a good industry practice. Hope they finish up soon.

Looks like Windows 7 is more stable than 10.6 right now.Yes, massive open beta testing throughout 2009 will do that.

It's surprisingly stable and bug-free as hell, much more so than 10.5.8 and below. And this is only 10.6.1.That Is Bull, you should be an economist! I think I saw some green shoots around the corner!

[Eric S.]

Am I the only one that thinks that Apple released this OS 10.6 update too early? The only one that is affected by the incompatibilities? The only one that is now seriously concerned with the next series of incompatibilities (aka updates)?

Hello everyone. We should let Apple know that everything is not as sweet as Apple Pie.:mad:

This is just a seed, and given the number of fixes involved the update could take another month or two. That would put it right in line with the time it took for the release of 10.4.2 and 10.5.2.

[cult hero]

Well 10.6 fixed dvd playback as well as the eject. I replaced my OEM drive with a HL-DT-ST BDDVDRW GBC-H20L. I've noticed a lot of app crashes in mail, safari and quicktime.

I hope the updates don't work backwards for me.

Just a quick comment, I read a lot of stuff about Mail instability in 10.6 from upgrading and/or just copying the ~/Library over. I set up my accounts from scratch and then imported all my non IMAP mail folders. I didn't have a lot of rules or signatures to redo, but Mail has been the most solid it's been since I owned a Mac. I haven't had it crash a single time since going to SL.

[RockTheGlobe]

I can only hope this helps Rosetta's stability where Office '04 is concerned, because I'm getting sick of these spontaneous blue-screen logouts when I'm in the middle of doing stuff.

And hopefully it will also be a little more stable where Flash is concerned, because it's wreaking havoc with Safari and Firefox, which are now crashing several times a day.

[ayeying]

can we please enable 64-bit kernel for the MacBook Air and Mac Mini line... damn it... is that so hard to ask? It doesn't even have to be default, just capable.

[cult hero]

Am I the only one that thinks that Apple released this OS 10.6 update too early? The only one that is affected by the incompatibilities? The only one that is now seriously concerned with the next series of incompatibilities (aka updates)?

Hello everyone. We should let Apple know that everything is not as sweet as Apple Pie.:mad:

I've got SL on every Mac in my household and three friends have got it. With a total of 5 computers, I've seen two repeat issues. One was an issue with 3D video enabled in VirtualBox and the other the weird video issue I get from time to time where the screen flickers. (Well, 3. A lot of stuff in MacPorts was broken early on.)

I'm just not seeing the problems I keep reading about ANYWHERE. (And I do a lot of virtualization and dev on the machine, so I'm not even a typical user. My parents are. My sister is. But I'm not.)

[iMaggot]

The sooner the better ;)

[simewich]

i want the old expose back. new one makes me work slower. the old one actually improved my workflow.

[MrChurchyard]

Is it just me or are they fixing a lot more than in Leopard if the build numbers are indicative of anything? 10.5.1 was 9B18 vs. 10.6.1 being 10B504, 10.5.2 was 9C31, now 10.6.2 will be > 10C514?

...Interesting.

[bristleworm]

lets hope that they fix software raid abilities

What kind of problems do you have? I'm using soft-raid myself and don't have any problems.

[miknos]

Seems like they are fixing the whole OS. I noticed many graphic problems, so drivers and core animation might solve the issues.

I'll wait a little more for a Exposé with relative sizes (option or whatever). Otherwise I'll put 10.5.8 back. Too many headaches.

I use to love Apple products but SL is the new Vista.

"Oh but I don't have any problems with SL". Well, even if it's happen to the minority, they (including me) are still a lot of users!

[andylyon]

Wow quick work Apple!

I remember the bad old days when I was a Windows user - 2 years would pass without a service pack update!

I take the 10.* updates to be major updates like service packs and the 10.*.* updates to be more like minor updates!

AnDy

[netkas]

OpenCL needs to support the ATI HD3870. Apple's focusing too much on its ipods and iphones, they should do something for their customers who paid good money and made an investment (the mac pro users).

http://netkas.org/?p=182

[SLCentral]

Every time I've updated OS X, and, wow, this is now the sixth version I've used on a daily basis (10.2 - 10.6), and for the first time, I'm a bit underwhelmed with what Apple has delivered...

It's not that it's bad...it's not. The extra hard drive space gained is great, and everything is snappier. I'm not sure if that's because I formatted, but I've been running since release date and it's still going quick.

That said, with the exception of this slight increase in speed, and the obvious UI tweaks, I haven't really found anything worth $29. Yes, I know, developers need time to be able to get programs to take advantage of all this new stuff. Hopefully that's soon, because I'm just not seeing it yet.

BTW, I'm running on a 15" Unibody 2.4GHz w/ 2GB RAM.

[Kristenn]

Apple... FIX THE DICTIONARY!!!111

I used to be able to secondary click on a word in pages and click look up in dictionary and it would look it up. This was in Leopard. Now in Snow Leopard it just opens the dictionary and I have to type the word myself. Yes. I use this a lot and it really annoys me!

[adztaylor]

Am I the only one who's not having ANY issues with Snow Leopard? I think it's awesome!

[devburke]

Apple... FIX THE DICTIONARY!!!111

I used to be able to secondary click on a word in pages and click look up in dictionary and it would look it up. This was in Leopard. Now in Snow Leopard it just opens the dictionary and I have to type the word myself. Yes. I use this a lot and it really annoys me!

197688

197689

I know that's not exactly what you're talking about, but it's more useful anyway.

[devburke]

Am I the only one who's not having ANY issues with Snow Leopard? I think it's awesome!

Haha my only issue with it is the Apple Remote thing, and that's pretty minor.

[macintoshtoffy]

http://netkas.org/?p=182

Interesting - but for the vast majority of people, I don't think there will be applications within the next 2-3 years of mainstream varieties that'll take advantage; so future products will have OpenCL support but concerning oneself by attempting to support hardware that'll be out of date by the time opencl is in widespread usage is a waste of resources better spent on other things.

[monti]

After upgrading to 10.6.x, Spaces makes keyboard input freeze a couple of times a day. I can't see a fix for it in this changelog, but I really hope it makes it to 10.6.2!

Reports:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2161076
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2117886
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10361439-263.html

[Povilas]

Haha my only issue with it is the Apple Remote thing, and that's pretty minor.

Just few minor glithes (with Spaces) on my end. All in all very happy.

[bed]

Am I the only one who's not having ANY issues with Snow Leopard? I think it's awesome!

No I agree with you. Love Snow Leopard, no issues. Expose is finally USEFUL and I'm actually using it. Everything is snappier. No kernel panics, the only panic I've ever seen was on Leopard and that was caused by a Parallels' supplied usb kext.

Love love love it!

[dguisinger]

...but then, maybe I'm imagining things. Jittery instead of smooth scrolling on multi-link pages (e.g. "my Yahoo!" feed-filled start page). Inconsistent behavior with Twitter (sometimes very slow; sometimes out-and-out crash).

I actually get a beach ball quite often in Safari now that I never used to get, its very frustrating. I even filed a bug report. Sometimes it hits the whole system, but most of the time it is Safari specific. It seems to be triggered by page load or dynamic content, and makes me swear every time.

[mixel]

I've not had SL problems either, in pretty heavy work settings, involving Photoshop CS4.. Across 3 Macs.. ? Oh well, there are always the lucky ones and unlucky ones.

Oddly I didnt have any real problems with Leopard either, even on PPC machines. (apart from the initial blue screen installation weirdness in the first release)

So I'm looking forward to new SL updates and any tweaks it brings. :)

[Konstanty]

I have a Mini that I use as the hub of a home-entertainment setup. After installing 10.6, then the 10.6.1 upgrade, video playback was so jerky and unreliable that I couldn't watch any video at all. And opening Front Row would simultaneously open iTunes. I reverted back to 10.5.8 and all was well. There's a thread on this topic on the Apple discussion forums:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=10096860&#10096860

If 10.6.2 fixes this deal-killer problem, then I'll go back to SL on the Mini. Otherwise, it stays at 10.5.8.

[SimonMW]

I agree! It looks to me like someone rushed 10.6 into production too soon before it was adequately tested and all the bugs fixed.

Doesn't anyone ever learn? We had EXACTLY the same comments about all previous versions of OS X.

I have had a couple of glitches. I've had two kernel panics when using the Top Sites feature of Safari. But that's it, and that's a Safari issue not an OS X one. What irritates me is that people here post idiotic statements such as "They need to fix the [insert problem here] with [insert feature here]" or "They need to fix the sleep issue with iMacs" when they are probably the only people with that particular issue.

People post problems as if they absolutely apply to everyone else as well. The fact of the matter is that there are a large majority of us who *aren't* experiencing any issues with SL. In fact the only issues I have encountered have been down to third party programs, not SL itself.

Lastly, what do people expect? ALL new OS's will have bugs that need sorting out. When Apple released SL it was an optimisation of Leopard. They didn't however say "New Snow Leopard, guaranteed to work without any bugs"

Once something as complex as an OS gets out into the world, only then will all bugs become apparent. Apple can't test for all configurations. We also can't assume that everyone here has done a true clean install. I know people say that they have, but then we find out a bit later that they have used Migration Assistant to move all their stuff over from their old config!

I'd also bet there are a few people who say that they've done a clean install, but in reality haven't and are just saying that they have to avoid having the obvious stated to them on the forum.

People need some reality. If you upgraded to a new OS on your main system without having a bootable clone of your old system then you can't really complain. As power users (which most here appear to be) you should know full well that new OS's have bugs that need ironing out. Name me one single first version OS that has ever worked for everyone straight out of the box without issue.

[SimonMW]

And opening Front Row would simultaneously open iTunes.

And you are assuming that the problem is down to SL rather than seeing whether it is an issue with Front Row itself causing it or something else. Why does everyone assume that it is the OS itself that is the problem? Just because it works in 10.5 it doesn't mean that it is the OS that is at fault.

[baryon]

I hope "fixing Core Animation" means fixing choppy spaces animations and that strange thing you get when you activate Spaces (not every time but say 20% of the time), and every window suddenly appears in one space and then glides into the Space it's supposed to be in.

And scrolling stacks is really laggy too! At first I thought it was iPhone-ish, with inertia feedback, but no, it just lags :)

Can anyone estimate when 10.6.2 will be finished?

[johnhw]

Still ain't getting my disk yet.. (DHL YOU SUCK!)

It's been like what?.. 1 week and 3 days and i still don't have my disk yet?

[star-affinity]

Doesn't anyone ever learn? We had EXACTLY the same comments about all previous versions of OS X.
I have had a couple of glitches. I've had two kernel panics when using the Top Sites feature of Safari. But that's it, and that's a Safari issue not an OS X one.

Kernel Panic's when viewing the Top Sites? Sounds pretty weird to me... An it's a software problem you say?

[newfoundglory]

Can anyone estimate when 10.6.2 will be finished?
If the new iMacs, Mac Minis and Macbooks are going to require 10.6.2 for new hardware/driver support ... then my guess is probably 1 to 2 weeks.

If they dont require 10.6.2, then I reckon anytime between the end of this week and the end of the month!

There doesn't seem to be many outstanding issues with the 10.6.2 seed, but developers still have to test their applications!

I would assume earlier rather than later though - then again the later the release the more bugs Apple might fix for this release.

[macintoshtoffy]

Kernel Panic's when viewing the Top Sites? Sounds pretty weird to me... An it's a software problem you say?

That was my reaction too - software should never ever cause a kernel panic. If it is causing a kernel panic then it is a consequence of something else and not Safari itself. I'd go and get the hardware checked out because it sounds faulty.

[baryon]

If the new iMacs, Mac Minis and Macbooks are going to require 10.6.2 for new hardware/driver support ... then my guess is probably 1 to 2 weeks.

If they dont require 10.6.2, then I reckon anytime between the end of this week and the end of the month!

There doesn't seem to be many outstanding issues with the 10.6.2 seed, but developers still have to test their applications!

I would assume earlier rather than later though - then again the later the release the more bugs Apple might fix for this release.

That sounds good, I can wait it out (not as if I had a choice though) :)

[NightFox]

And you are assuming that the problem is down to SL rather than seeing whether it is an issue with Front Row itself causing it or something else. Why does everyone assume that it is the OS itself that is the problem? Just because it works in 10.5 it doesn't mean that it is the OS that is at fault.

OK, so the subtle difference is that upgrading the OS is to blame rather than the OS itself. Same cause and effect though

[NightFox]

Disappointed not to see Mail in the list - specifically the downloading of multiple duplicate messages that a lot of people are having problems with

[wakemac]

I use to love Apple products but SL is the new Vista.



VISTA was the entire reason I (and probably many others here) switched to Mac. I have also been running W7 since it became available and I can say that it is much better than VISTA, but not as significant an upgrade as MS would like everyone to believe. For the "average" user, it is just Vista with a new UI.

I think it is a little early (one month from release) to make a SL/Vista comparison.

[Terminal.app]

Am I the only one who's not having ANY issues with Snow Leopard? I think it's awesome!

Same here, I love it too. No problems whatsoever.

Although, the new Boot Camp 3.0 drivers are causing BSODs over on the Windows 7 side. :D

[Gloor]

Can someone who has 10.6.2 already confirm whether or not it fixes MAYA graph editor issue, please?
Thanks

[ghostface147]

I think it is a little early (one month from release) to make a SL/Vista comparison.


Agreed. Some people thought Leopard was the new Vista when it first came out. I am sure things will be different once .2 and/or .3 come out.

[funkyp56]

Good! I'm getting a new HDD along with SL on Thursday, so I guess I'll wait for a couple more days then till 10.6.2 is officially released and then finally install SL!:cool:

What a horrible statement, take the Nike approach and Just do it!

[SimonMW]

That was my reaction too - software should never ever cause a kernel panic. If it is causing a kernel panic then it is a consequence of something else and not Safari itself. I'd go and get the hardware checked out because it sounds faulty.

Well, I presume it was a kernel panic (screen goes dark with a gradual wipe and a big error message on the screen). Strangely it was only my second monitor that went dark with the message. My main 30" CD stayed the same.

Both times this has happened (and it has only happened twice) I clicked on a Top Site. Apart from that, not had any problems at any other time.

[AidenShaw]

I've had two kernel panics when using the Top Sites feature of Safari. But that's it, and that's a Safari issue not an OS X one.

Kernel Panics when viewing the Top Sites? Sounds pretty weird to me... An it's a software problem you say?

That was my reaction too - software should never ever cause a kernel panic. If it is causing a kernel panic then it is a consequence of something else and not Safari itself. I'd go and get the hardware checked out because it sounds faulty.

Kernel panics are always due to kernel (or kernel code) problems.

User mode applications like Safari should be incapable of crashing the kernel.

They might exercise some buggy code in the kernel or a driver and seem to cause the crash, but by itself a user application can not crash the kernel.

Or, Safari could be triggering a hardware problem like m-toffy said. If an unrecoverable hardware error occurs, a panic is appropriate.


Although, the new Boot Camp 3.0 drivers are causing BSODs over on the Windows 7 side. :D

Apple's subtle way of making Windows 7 look bad, I wonder?

[lannister80]

OpenCL needs to support the ATI HD3870. Apple's focusing too much on its ipods and iphones, they should do something for their customers who paid good money and made an investment (the mac pro users).
Get a new video card. :)

[mvasilakis]

I gota say that my transition to SL has not been without the occasional bug. I do think that for me its a better fit than 10.5.

What I really don't get is the pining about issues here. Every time a .x or .x beta is mentioned the thread turns into a .x/.x beta issues thread.

If everyone with an issue took the time to send :apple:feedback:apple: (http://www.apple.com/feedback/) many of your issues would get solved within a .1 or .2 update cycle. I used to sit by and wait for issues to be solved but I gotta tell you I've seen allot of my bugs addressed and suggestions implemented in updates since I started sending feedback. If Apple doesn't know there is an issue they simply wont fix it.

And yes I know not every issue is addressed but if they get 1 feedback about an issue it will be given low priority but if they get 10,000 feedback on the same issue it will be elevated to high priority.

SEND FEEDBACK!!!!! DO IT!!!! DO IT NOW!!!!!!
(Sorry caffeine.)
Mano

[ASP272]

The biggest problem I am facing as a designer is the issue with older PST1 fonts and even some OTF fonts not displaying correctly or at all in Snow Leopard. Happily I can see that these are being addressed in this update with "Core Text", which is what replaced the old way the OS handled Postscript Type 1 fonts. Here's a link to how severe this problems is:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2154431

Based upon this thread, this update should be coming fast!

[wfoster]

I can't wait!

[ktlx]

OpenCL needs to support the ATI HD3870. Apple's focusing too much on its ipods and iphones, they should do something for their customers who paid good money and made an investment (the mac pro users).
This question has been asked and answered so many times, I'd hope at a certain point people would spend the 30 seconds needed to find the answer. If you don't want to bother with Google, both ATI and nVidia explain which cards are and are not compatible with OpenCL. This has nothing to do with Apple.

OpenCL needs hardware features supported by the graphics card. ATI cards prior to the HD4000 series and nVidia cards prior to the G92 series do not have those features.

[greenmeanie]

Funny you posted this because this is the same reason I switched to Linux and OSX.
And I also agree on your W7 statement.

VISTA was the entire reason I (and probably many others here) switched to Mac. I have also been running W7 since it became available and I can say that it is much better than VISTA, but not as significant an upgrade as MS would like everyone to believe. For the "average" user, it is just Vista with a new UI.

I think it is a little early (one month from release) to make a SL/Vista comparison.

[riws]

Nice, Intel X3100 drivers are now 64bit too. :apple:

[Mr Lizard]

And maybe Adobe can finally fix their issues with Flash for Mac OS X, or is that too much too ask for?

Fraid so! ;)

[Eidorian]

Nice, Intel X3100 drivers are now 64bit too. :apple:My mind is blown.

[skate71290]

My mind is blown.

sweet my rev A MBA might have some use after all... the most disappointing Apple laptop ever

[scroto]

If that's true, you're obv not doing anything overtly demanding, so congrats for that. For those of us who need OSX for our daily work, and whose clients require it (because we actually need to access the capabilities of a modern computer), your setup is a joke. Here's a bib, and ****.

I have many uses for my Dell including video editing, gaming, Audio & video encoding and as an HTPC to name a few. Windows Media Center with a TV tuner rocks and has no Mac equivelant. It's better than BTV & Sage TV which cost up $100 and comes free with W7. Like I said my setup will absolutely blow the doors off yours at a fraction of the price and "It Just Works" without any of Snow leoperds bugs so go service youself.

I'm not an MS fanboy, I don't worship billion dollar corporations, infact I just dropped $1700 on a macbook pro for my wife. I also own an original Iphone and an Ipod classic. I do take issue with comments about my PC having issues when it couldn't be further from the truth.

[RockTheGlobe]

Flash! This is the third time today that the Flash plug-in has suddenly crashed in my Safari. Can Apple please fix the issue there? Or are they ignoring Flash for the full computer browser as much as they are ignoring it for the version for iPhone?

[celticpride678]

Flash! This is the third time today that the Flash plug-in has suddenly crashed in my Safari. Can Apple please fix the issue there? Or are they ignoring Flash for the full computer browser as much as they are ignoring it for the version for iPhone?

Apple has nothing to do with Flash. Talk to Adobe.

[RockTheGlobe]

Apple has nothing to do with Flash. Talk to Adobe.

I realize Adobe makes Flash, but Apple makes the system software that Flash is suddenly not all that stable on. I never had this problem on Leopard, but after upgrading to SL, suddenly Flash crashes regularly. Considering SL shipped with a downgraded version of Flash and 10.6.1 was shipped quickly to make it more compatible with the latest version of Flash, I'm putting the onus on Apple for this one.

[dherts]

All I have to say is that SL is working perfectly for me. My benchmarks have jumped significantly, applications load in half the time, and the whole computer just seems to be going faster.:D:apple:


my only complaint is that i have to scroll through my application stacks on the dock...i want to see them all at once:(

[ktlx]

I realize Adobe makes Flash, but Apple makes the system software that Flash is suddenly not all that stable on. I never had this problem on Leopard, but after upgrading to SL, suddenly Flash crashes regularly. Considering SL shipped with a downgraded version of Flash and 10.6.1 was shipped quickly to make it more compatible with the latest version of Flash, I'm putting the onus on Apple for this one.
I'm not convinced it's Snow Leopard, but actually the current version of Safari 4 and Flash 10. Ever since I've switched to Safari 4 and made certain I've got the latest Flash from Adobe, I'm having all kind of problems in both Leopard and Snow Leopard with Flash. For me, Safari 4 basically craps out on lots of pages with Flash whether it's on my Leopard or Snow Leopard Macs.

The only real difference I see is that in Leopard, I have to kill all my browser windows and start over once a single one goes out to lunch. In Snow Leopard, it seems like I can get by just killing off the particular window and it's tabs.

[wallaby]

Still, I would never go back to Tiger just because of Time Machine. I know there are a lot of backup utilities you can use on Tiger, but none as seamless and FREE as Time Machine is. I am now running 4 hard drives on my G4 (2 external with their own power supplies) and to lose data on any of those would be a big loss. The backups to my 2TB LaCie for the other three drives take about 5 times as long as my Intel Mac Pro at work, but it's still worth it.

SuperDuper! is also free if you just do "erase and backup" everytime (which is time consuming), and only $30 for the full version which goes a lot faster since you can do interval backups. I really don't get why people deal with Time Machine; yeah it's "free" with the OS but it's not much of a solution since TM doesn't make bootable backups (without a Leo or SL disc). SD is pretty brain-dead simple too, just schedule it to backup as often as you want and BAM, you've got an up-to-date backup that you can start working with on another machine should yours kick the bucket.

I know I sound like a SuperDuper shill but I just really like the program. :p

[devburke]

All I have to say is that SL is working perfectly for me. My benchmarks have jumped significantly, applications load in half the time, and the whole computer just seems to be going faster.:D:apple:


my only complaint is that i have to scroll through my application stacks on the dock...i want to see them all at once:(

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I hope 10.6.2 fixes the Apple Remote issue AND makes Stacks scale again, and only scroll if everything doesn’t fit after scaling.

[Mr. Wonderful]

Interesting that they're still updating things to 64-bit drivers. I wonder if we'll get to see more 64-bit bootable support? Not that I need it, but I worry about my current machine two years from now when possibly 64-bit only 10.7 comes out. That, and it would be nice if we could just severe the ties with 32-bit as... soon-er as possible.

[MikhailT]

Nice, Intel X3100 drivers are now 64bit too. :apple:
Wait, in 10.6.2? I tho it wasn't 64bit in 6.1. This is good news for those owners with Intel graphics.

Flash! This is the third time today that the Flash plug-in has suddenly crashed in my Safari. Can Apple please fix the issue there? Or are they ignoring Flash for the full computer browser as much as they are ignoring it for the version for iPhone?

Umm, it's always been this way. There's a reason everybody hate Flash on Macs. Apple can't do anything about it, they don't like it either and that's why they don't allow it on iPhone and are pushing for HTML5 instead.


I realize Adobe makes Flash, but Apple makes the system software that Flash is suddenly not all that stable on. I never had this problem on Leopard, but after upgrading to SL, suddenly Flash crashes regularly. Considering SL shipped with a downgraded version of Flash and 10.6.1 was shipped quickly to make it more compatible with the latest version of Flash, I'm putting the onus on Apple for this one.

It may have to do with the new plugin system in Safari 4 but it still has nothing to do with SL or Apple. No other plug ins experienced the same issue, it is always Flash that crash.

Flash is the number 1 cause of all my browser crashes including Firefox. It is the worst plugin ever developed for the Macs.

Interesting that they're still updating things to 64-bit drivers. I wonder if we'll get to see more 64-bit bootable support? Not that I need it, but I worry about my current machine two years from now when possibly 64-bit only 10.7 comes out. That, and it would be nice if we could just severe the ties with 32-bit as... soon-er as possible.

Why is it interesting? Apple doesn't stop developing as soon as 10.x releases, they always update drivers and so on forever.

They probably will set 64bit as default in 10.7, but 10.7 may still have 32bit flavor.

[Eric S.]

I wonder if we'll get to see more 64-bit bootable support? Not that I need it, but I worry about my current machine two years from now when possibly 64-bit only 10.7 comes out.

Welcome to the new paradigm, where Apple wants you to upgrade your HW in two years.

[macintoshtoffy]

Are you Kidding? this thread alone is filled with a ton of different issues. Maybe you should of bought the Dell and saved yourself some money.

Please enlighten us with the issues of owning a new Dell. I'm using a Studio XPS with a Core i7 CPU and 6GB of ram with an ATI 4850 that I only payed $799 for. I'll tell you right now I don't have any issues with my OS and It will blow the doors off your Imacs.

Why the hell are you even here if you're a PC user? talk about a person wanting to stir up a riot.

Tell me when Windows stops being a complete abortion - then I'll care what you and your PC offers.

[AidenShaw]

They probably will set 64bit as default in 10.7, but 10.7 may still have 32bit flavor.

I seriously would not expect Apple to support 32-bit only "Core Duo" and "Core Solo" systems with 10.7.

IMO, Apple should never have sold any Yonah 32-bit only systems - they should have waited a few months for Merom 64-bit systems.

Of course, 10.7 will support 32-bit application binaries - but that's a different question from supporting the old 32-bit only CPUs.

[macintoshtoffy]

I seriously would not expect Apple to support 32-bit only "Core Duo" and "Core Solo" systems with 10.7.

IMO, Apple should never have sold any Yonah 32-bit only systems - they should have waited a few months for Merom 64-bit systems.

Of course, 10.7 will support 32-bit application binaries - but that's a different question from supporting the old 32-bit only CPUs.

I doubt they'd pull support for it though; it isn't as though maintaining 32bit and 64bit would be much of a challenge; it isn't like they're maintaining two different ABI's as with the case of x86 and PowerPC.

What one might see is a gradual push towards 'all new features being 64bit only' - and maybe 10.8 being the last. Then again, there is no word on the situation with 10.7 yet :)

[Eric S.]

I agree with Aiden. Every OS release Apple throws a few more systems over the side of the boat. Core Duos and Core Solos are next.

[macintoshtoffy]

I agree with Aiden. Every OS release Apple throws a few more systems over the side of the boat. Core Duos and Core Solos are next.

But it depends on how quickly 10.7 comes. If it is slated for release end of next year/beginning of the following; the total time is around 4 years since the first lot of Mac's were released. I do have a feeling that Solo's will be killed off before Duos, then again, what evidence do you have that they're killing off support? the only example people have is the powerpc transition with a number of people left high and dry - but that has nothing to do with what will be the turn over in the x86 land. It is of no loss if they keep 32bit support around - I can't work out why people are creating doomsday scenarios when there is no evidence to back up such claims.

[Synchro]

With Mail eating 60Gb/day of bandwidth for some users (and getting them cut-off for fair-use infringements by their ISPs, including google), and eating entire monthly allowances for 3G data in a couple of days, I've been hoping this would be fixed soon. Currently the only way to stop is to quit mail - it repeatedly downloads mailboxes and attachments even if it's set to only check manually.

Hopefully they'll also add keychain support for the VPN as it's currently completely unusable.

[jon08]

I hope they release 10.6.2 real soon! I just got SL today and it's still sealed and waiting for me to install it, but I refuse to do so before .2 comes out... :P

[riws]

Wait, in 10.6.2? I tho it wasn't 64bit in 6.1. This is good news for those owners with Intel graphics.

Yes, in 10.6.2.

[Eric S.]

I do have a feeling that Solo's will be killed off before Duos, then again, what evidence do you have that they're killing off support?

I have no evidence - if I did that would be a scoop! But as soon as 10.5 was released with Classic support dropped I predicted that 10.6 would drop support for all PPCs, and that was way before the first SL developer release. Now I have the same feeling about the 32-bit Intel systems.

the only example people have is the powerpc transition with a number of people left high and dry - but that has nothing to do with what will be the turn over in the x86 land. It is of no loss if they keep 32bit support around - I can't work out why people are creating doomsday scenarios when there is no evidence to back up such claims.

Apple operates in a fairly predictable manner. PPC systems weren't dropped all at once; every OS release upped the ante on system requirements, which gradually eliminated the whole platform line. Was there any reason for Apple to prevent 10.5 from installing on systems with a cpu slower than 876MHz? Apple's justification was performance (not true, as people have shown), and that will again be the excuse when they drop the 32-bit machines.

Apple is pushing users whose systems are more than a few years old to buy new hardware. They do that by gradual obsolescence, and the next step is eliminating the early Intel systems.

[macintoshtoffy]

With Mail eating 60Gb/day of bandwidth for some users (and getting them cut-off for fair-use infringements by their ISPs, including google), and eating entire monthly allowances for 3G data in a couple of days, I've been hoping this would be fixed soon. Currently the only way to stop is to quit mail - it repeatedly downloads mailboxes and attachments even if it's set to only check manually.

Hopefully they'll also add keychain support for the VPN as it's currently completely unusable.

Why don't you have it set to delete mail once it has been removed off the server?

I have no evidence - if I did that would be a scoop! But as soon as 10.5 was released with Classic support dropped I predicted that 10.6 would drop support for all PPCs, and that was way before the first SL developer release. Now I have the same feeling about the 32-bit Intel systems.

Well, they were obvious things. Classic was dead, PowerPC was dead by the time 10.6 was announced. There is no reason to kill off 32bit x86. Unless Steve is running in the competition to become '******* of the year', I doubt it'll happen anytime soon.

Btw, Classic sucks, PowerPC sucks. Thank god both of those pieces of crap have been killed off.

Apple operates in a fairly predictable manner. PPC systems weren't dropped all at once; every OS release upped the ante on system requirements, which gradually eliminated the whole platform line. Was there any reason for Apple to prevent 10.5 from installing on systems with a cpu slower than 876MHz? Apple's justification was performance (not true, as people have shown), and that will again be the excuse when they drop the 32-bit machines.

Apple is pushing users whose systems are more than a few years old to buy new hardware. They do that by gradual obsolescence, and the next step is eliminating the early Intel systems.

Again, based on what evidence? PowerPC and x86 are two totally different beasts.

Yes, in 10.6.2.

Are you sure? the video driver is made up of three parts: AppleIntelGMAX3100, AppleIntelGMAX3100FB and AppleIntelGMAX3100GL - are you sure all of them are 64bit? or are you blowing smoke like people who claimed that there was a 10A435 and 10A436 with no evidence to back it up.

[Eric S.]

Well, they were obvious things. Classic was dead, PowerPC was dead by the time 10.6 was announced. There is no reason to kill off 32bit x86.

All very debatable points.

Btw, Classic sucks, PowerPC sucks. Thank god both of those pieces of crap have been killed off.

Not feeding that particular troll.

Again, based on what evidence? PowerPC and x86 are two totally different beasts.

The evidence is Apple's past (and current, really) behavior. Other than that all we have at this time is opinions, so we'll just have to wait and see.

[AidenShaw]

There is no reason to kill off 32bit x86.

There's *every* reason to kill off Yonah.

First, Apple should never have sold Yonah in the first place - Merom was just a few months later, with x64 capability.

Second, most of the Yonah systems are older than the latest PowerPC systems that were killed off. Clearly a precedent has been set, and if you have a Yonah, you should be looking at buying a new Apple.

Third, by killing Yonah Apple can do x64-only OSX, and completely eliminate the 32-bit kernel components.

I'm surprised that Apple didn't kill Yonah with 10.6. Probably because they thought that they'd have to have a 32-bit kernel anyway to support the 3rd party drivers that would not be ported in time, so keeping Yonah around wasn't too much extra work.

(Actually, considering the poor support for the x64 kernel even on Merom and later systems - Apple itself was one of those developers which wasn't ready for 10.6. This is clearly proven if the rumours that 10.6.2 adds x64 support for X3100 systems are true.)

[riws]

Are you sure? the video driver is made up of three parts: AppleIntelGMAX3100, AppleIntelGMAX3100FB and AppleIntelGMAX3100GL - are you sure all of them are 64bit? or are you blowing smoke like people who claimed that there was a 10A435 and 10A436 with no evidence to back it up.
Link for another Source http://netkas.org/?p=243

Myself, I have tested it only with X3100 and thats works for sure in 64bit Mode with QE/CI/OGL, but the GMA 950 Files are compiled for 64bit too.

[chrono1081]

All I have to say is that SL is working perfectly for me. My benchmarks have jumped significantly, applications load in half the time, and the whole computer just seems to be going faster.:D:apple:


+938402983

[Eidorian]

10.6.2 should have been the original retail disc. :p

[typer16452]

I'm really hoping that the graphics driver upgrade makes the fan on my Radeon HD 3870 quieter. It works fine under Leopard but in snow leopard the fan runs at much higher speeds. It's the only problem I'm having with Snow Leopard. If that's fixed I'll switch to it and not look back.

have you tried a fan speed utility like smc or fan control?

[Mr. Wonderful]

10.6.2 should have been the original retail disc. :p

Ha, ideally.

But 10.6.2 sounds like it will go the first step toward making SL a solid release for a lot of users. Except those who upgraded/are planning on applying the Delta update.

[macintoshtoffy]

Link for another Source http://netkas.org/?p=243

Myself, I have tested it only with X3100 and thats works for sure in 64bit Mode with QE/CI/OGL, but the GMA 950 Files are compiled for 64bit too.

AidenShaw might be right; it would make sense given that it will be atleast 3 1/2 - 4 years since Yonah was released. Although, what are they going to do for those with 32bit EFI? provide a firmware update? from what I understand, there is nothing technically supporting EFI32 from loading a 64bit kernel except for Apples artificial limitation placed on it.

The downside is, however, I'm still waiting for EyeTV to get their act together to provide a 64bit driver. I hope that they won't charge customers for it because it would be a real mood killer.

[SmugMac]

This is going to be a huge update, can't wait! A later build now supports writing to NTFS also?

[AidenShaw]

Although, what are they going to do for those with 32bit EFI? provide a firmware update?

Why not? Other Intel systems do it frequently. My Dell Studio XPS (Core i7-940) is on its 8th firmware release. Bug fixes, new hardware/CPU support, etc. No big deal to release and install new firmware. (My ProLiant systems can upgrade CPU BIOS, NIC firmware and drivers, RAID array firmware and drivers, and disk drive firmware while up and running - not even a reboot required.)

from what I understand, there is nothing technically supporting EFI32 from loading a 64bit kernel except for Apples artificial limitation placed on it.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but people have been saying that they are dual-booting Windows 7 x64 and Vista x64 from those 32-bit EFI systems. ;)

[dancon]

Since I have installed Snow Leopard I can't use the function in internet sharing that allows you to share your connection from ethernet to computers using Airport.
Please fix it in this build!!!

[typer16452]

I got my first Windows machine (hp laptop) just after I upgraded to Snow Leopard; I haven't been able to connect them either wirelessly or via Ethernet for the life of me, I've looked around online and numerous people seem to be saying that SL broke their Windows connectivity...if this is the case it would be great to see a fix in 10.6.2.

[macintoshtoffy]

Why not? Other Intel systems do it frequently. My Dell Studio XPS (Core i7-940) is on its 8th firmware release. Bug fixes, new hardware/CPU support, etc. No big deal to release and install new firmware. (My ProLiant systems can upgrade CPU BIOS, NIC firmware and drivers, RAID array firmware and drivers, and disk drive firmware while up and running - not even a reboot required.)

I'd like to think they would but I am sceptical though given the behaviour of many hardware companies to leave their customers high and dry.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but people have been saying that they are dual-booting Windows 7 x64 and Vista x64 from those 32-bit EFI systems. ;)

Windows x64, when EFI64 isn't present, it falls back to the old mode (which utilises the built in BIOS emulation included with Mac firmware).