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Techhie

Oct 5, 2009, 07:15 PM

I am in bad need of one of these, and searching around the net (including MR forums) didn't reveal anything interesting. Does anyone here know where I can obtain a 2009 Mac Pro service manual in pdf format?

gugucom

Oct 5, 2009, 07:45 PM

+1

not bad need, but definitely very much interested

Techhie

Oct 5, 2009, 07:56 PM

A forum search shows that there are many other people out there interested as well. A big hug goes to anyone that posts the 2009 Mac Pro service manual pdf.

oh, and here is the 2006 one if that is your flavour :) http://groths.se/macpro.pdf

Umbongo

Oct 5, 2009, 08:04 PM

The manuals are not for free distribution so posting links here is frowned upon. There are sources out there claiming to sell them, but I'd imagine if they were legit that someone would have put it online for free.

jessica.

Oct 5, 2009, 08:05 PM

Pretty sure those manuals are protected under an NDA.

Techhie

Oct 5, 2009, 08:10 PM

Pretty sure those manuals are protected under an NDA.

Doesn't mean that a rebellious genius dint post them somewhere :p

jessica.

Oct 5, 2009, 08:12 PM

Doesn't mean that a rebellious genius dint post them somewhere :p

But it does mean that that same rebellious genius shouldn't post it here. The thread would be closed and the link would be removed in no time. Not that I wouldn't want the 2008 manual, but I'm not silly enough to think I can find all that easy.

Techhie

Oct 5, 2009, 08:16 PM

*grumble* I guess I will have to expand my search elsewhere :)

bbadalucco

Oct 5, 2009, 08:29 PM

I just got a new 09...where is the manual? Is it the thing that says "Everything Mac"??

jessica.

Oct 5, 2009, 08:31 PM

I just got a new 09...where is the manual? Is it the thing that says "Everything Mac"??

This is not the manual they hand out, this is the official service manual handed to a genius to repair your mac. It's protected under an NDA.

bbadalucco

Oct 5, 2009, 08:31 PM

This is not the manual they hand out, this is the official service manual handed to a genius to repair your mac. It's protected under an NDA.

Thats funny...never mind then...Sorry

Thanks Jessica

UltraNEO*

Oct 5, 2009, 08:42 PM

This is not the manual they hand out, this is the official service manual handed to a genius to repair your mac. It's protected under an NDA.

Hehe... But it's available as a torrent via UseNext

forester54

Oct 5, 2009, 09:16 PM

jessica.

Oct 5, 2009, 09:18 PM

Hehe... But it's available as a torrent via UseNext

Yes, so you blogged about. ;) We all know you can get it through torrents, you just can't get it here so shuddup about it or this thread will be gonzo.

bbadalucco

Oct 5, 2009, 10:03 PM

Yes, so you blogged about. ;) We all know you can get it through torrents, you just can't get it here so shuddup about it or this thread will be gonzo.

When you think about it who cares...this thread is useless as its not going to provide the manual anyway. We have an idea where to find it if needed I guess.

Umbongo

Oct 6, 2009, 08:31 AM

Hehe... But it's available as a torrent via UseNext

UseNext is a scam and you shouldn't recommend it here. even if they don't bill you as soon as you cancel, or a few days after. They will send you a $100/€100/£100 bill (even you cancel) 18 months to 2 years later and turn you over to debt collection on first refusal to pay. There is a lot of documented evidence of this.

Cindori

Oct 6, 2009, 08:57 AM

Breaking that macpro.pdf link now before I get Apple after me ;)
(its the 2006 model)
Still available if you PM me though

pheobian

Oct 6, 2009, 07:24 PM

I need this too.

Sun Baked

Oct 6, 2009, 07:29 PM

http://service.info.apple.com/manuals-ssol.html

Edit: Just saying that this is where they were until Apple finally closed the holes they had which let anyone download them.

Earl Urly

Oct 8, 2009, 12:12 AM

Why do you need it? Did you break something or want to add a part to it?

UltraNEO*

Oct 8, 2009, 12:20 AM

Why do you need it? Did you break something or want to add a part to it?

I dunno about others but those manuals are useful particularly if their owners wishes to dismantle the machine, sell off the parts and reuse the case for another project...

UltraNEO*

Oct 8, 2009, 12:27 AM

UseNext is a scam and you shouldn't recommend it here. even if they don't bill you as soon as you cancel, or a few days after. They will send you a $100/€100/£100 bill (even you cancel) 18 months to 2 years later and turn you over to debt collection on first refusal to pay. There is a lot of documented evidence of this.

Really? I take it your talking from experience? Personally, i don't use it, I do however search google for PDF's regularly and UseNext along with TradeBit keeps popping up. I guess if people are desperate enough they'll try anything... even sign up for ADC ;) Thankfully there are users out there with those said books and are happy to share them.

Umbongo

Oct 8, 2009, 06:20 AM

Really? I take it your talking from experience? Personally, i don't use it, I do however search google for PDF's regularly and UseNext along with TradeBit keeps popping up. I guess if people are desperate enough they'll try anything... even sign up for ADC ;) Thankfully there are users out there with those said books and are happy to share them.

The manuals probably are on usenet and UseNext can be used to get them, but it is a scam setup. There are other usenet services that aren't. TradeBit isn't a scam site, but it is full of scammers, hence the sale of copyright, NDA's material for $9.99.

Nadav35

Nov 2, 2009, 11:37 AM

Hello,

Although, I have a 2008 mac pro OWC told me that it is indeed possible to "transplant" and remove the IDE/PATA optical drive cable and replace it with the cable used in the 2009 mac pros, being connected to one of the ODD PORTS on the logic board.

Could someone please provide me with the actual apple part number so I can try and order it? Also, OWC told me that unless I have the AHCI drivers in windows installed(which I already do), windows won't be able to see the ODD ports. They also mentioned to me that when using SATA optical drives with the 2008 mac pro, they are indeed bootable. In fact one of the tech support reps told me that a customer inserted snow leopard dvd and hit the option key which brought up the drive selection manager. He selected it and it booted up fine!

So can someone help me with this? I am not asking for the service manual, just need the xxx-xxx part number for this, as its a removable cable from the logic board.

Cindori

Nov 2, 2009, 12:58 PM

You want a normal sata cable? Try any computer shop in the world.

gugucom

Nov 2, 2009, 01:27 PM

I believe you are thinking too complicated. Just use header "B". Nevertheless I'm showing you pics of my 2009 MP.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/6569/1001197g.th.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1001197g.jpg)

In this pic you can see how I have replaced the black SATA cable "B" in the special harness with a red standard SATA cable. The harness remains in place though to provide header "A" with the SATA signal and both headers with power. On the logic board side I have capped the unused cable with a red plug to prevent potential short circuits.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4973/1001194.th.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1001194.jpg)

Here you can see how I plugged into header "B" with a SATA power adapter to get Molex power. Header "A" is shown unplugged from the ODD.

Unless you want to fit multiple drives as i my case you do not need to go to all this effort. Any single SSD or SATA HDD will plug directly into your header "B".

rtrt

Nov 2, 2009, 08:48 PM

gugucom

Nov 2, 2009, 09:04 PM

Oops, it is getting confusing. The OP was having a 2009 MP but the last question was about a 2008 MP. So please disregard most of my comment. There is no SATA harness in the 2006 ODD bay only IDE cables. A standard Sata cable as in my pic has to be fitted. For 1 cable a 90° connector is ok but if you ever need two the other needs a straight connector due to space restrictions.

Nadav35

Nov 3, 2009, 12:14 AM

What I want to do is replace, and get rid of the IDE/PATA connectors and take the sata/power cable from a 2009 mac pro and TRANSPLANT it in my 2008. I already know that the ODD ports are bootable(OWC provided this for me), and now that I have AHCI installed in windows 7, they would be bootable as well going into bootcamp..

But, my main point is I need to see a picture of your SATA optical cable and the connector at the other end of it. Why should I waste money on converting PATA-SATA using adapters(sticking PATA-SATA adapters on the backs of my super drives), when I can just get the 2009 mac pro's dual sata connectors?

Could you show me what the other end of the sata optical cable looks like? I believe its a combo of sata connectors on one end and a sata connector that plugs into a sata port on the motherboard.

gugucom

Nov 3, 2009, 01:34 AM

I have shown you the pictures that I have, and believe me you cannot do what you want to do. Let me explain.

The 2008 and 2009 have a completely different power supply design for starters.

The 2009 provides the total power from five cables into one connector from the PSU into the logic board. Then the logic board has a propriatory 4-pin socket which feeds into a proproatory cable harness that runs from the logic board to the ODD bay.

The 2008 has several separate power cables which are ending in different connectors mainly going to the logic board, but to different locations. One cable terminates already in the ODD bay where it has two Molex connectors.

To finish off the description of the 2009 ODD harness: It has 90° SATA cable connectors "A" and "B" on the logic board side and a square four pin power cable running 5V and 12 V. On the ODD bay end it has two integrated Data and Power SATA headers "A" and "B".

If your desire is to run two SATA optical drives in the bay you should fit the standard SATA cables as described and simply fit your Molex power from the IDE power cable to the two optical drives.

Be aware that straight SATA connectors will not fit under the fan unit on the logic board and two 90° connectors will not fit side by side. You will have to mod the fan unit to make some space. At least that was necessary in a 2006 which to my knowledge had the same logic board and fan unit design. If you force the fan unit over the connectors you may bend the logic board and brake a trace in it. This would be a 500$ replacement.

Nadav35

Nov 4, 2009, 12:45 AM

Did you get my other message regarding about my paying you to help me get my SATA optical drives to be bootable, or to allow booting of windows installer, or windows in general via the ODD sata ports. As I mentioned to you before, i tested OS X and it boots fine there.. But I don't understand. I have AHCI enabled in bootcamp, but yet when I connected the sata drive to the odd ports, it failed to boot it saying: the disk you have is not bootable. Is there a way to get it to boot? tHE MORE i thinka bout this, I think its time for me to throw away the 2008 mac pro and just get a 2009. What do you think? Can you help me, if I pay you say, $50.00?

I have shown you the pictures that I have, and believe me you cannot do what you want to do. Let me explain.

The 2008 and 2009 have a completely different power supply design for starters.

The 2009 provides the total power from five cables into one connector from the PSU into the logic board. Then the logic board has a propriatory 4-pin socket which feeds into a proproatory cable harness that runs from the logic board to the ODD bay.

The 2008 has several separate power cables which are ending in different connectors mainly going to the logic board, but to different locations. One cable terminates already in the ODD bay where it has two Molex connectors.

To finish off the description of the 2009 ODD harness: It has 90° SATA cable connectors "A" and "B" on the logic board side and a square four pin power cable running 5V and 12 V. On the ODD bay end it has two integrated Data and Power SATA headers "A" and "B".

If your desire is to run two SATA optical drives in the bay you should fit the standard SATA cables as described and simply fit your Molex power from the IDE power cable to the two optical drives.

Be aware that straight SATA connectors will not fit under the fan unit on the logic board and two 90° connectors will not fit side by side. You will have to mod the fan unit to make some space. At least that was necessary in a 2006 which to my knowledge had the same logic board and fan unit design. If you force the fan unit over the connectors you may bend the logic board and brake a trace in it. This would be a 500$ replacement.

UltraNEO*

Nov 4, 2009, 01:03 AM

gugucom

Nov 4, 2009, 02:06 AM

Hi Nadav,

I can see your problem now. It has been reported by other users as well. For instance Tesselator had the same problem and I mentioned it in my Howto for AHCI.

I have never run into it myself due to different setups that I use. I think I know what to do to solve the issue.

My understanding is that the Windows installer perceives the SATA ports in a different way when a RAID array is installed prior to installing Windows. For some unknown reasons it thinks that the residual SATA ports are external connections.

The work around is quite simple I believe. You have to remove your RAID array temporarily. Then your installation will most probably go ahead on the ODD SATA port. When you have finished with the Windows installation simply add the RAID drives back into your setup. They should work as they did before. Booting Windows from a HDD should not be a problem.

If this will help you or if you continue to have problems please let us know about it.