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Oct 6, 2009, 11:01 AM
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spillproof
Oct 6, 2009, 11:53 AM
I don't know if is just me, but I rarely see Nokia phones.

Anyway, this is good for MS. They are really trying to get their act together.

spazzcat
Oct 6, 2009, 12:45 PM
When they have a good phone OS, they will get some respect...

SimonTheSoundMa
Oct 6, 2009, 12:51 PM
Well, Microsoft has just ditched Windows Mobile 6.5. http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/09/10/06/1227209/Windows-Mobile-65-Launched-Panned

Nokia’s are everywhere here in Europe. Their hardware (along with most smart phones) are a long way ahead of Apple.

I notice that the USA is a good 6-12 months behind on Nokia releases compared to the UK.

supmango
Oct 6, 2009, 12:57 PM
When they have a good phone OS, they will get some respect...

I think they had better redirect their resources working on mobile platform to prepare for the influx of support issues to be revealed with Windows 7. They need to avoid another Vista fiasco at all costs.

mkrishnan
Oct 6, 2009, 03:40 PM
I notice that the USA is a good 6-12 months behind on Nokia releases compared to the UK.

It seemed like 4-5 years ago we got the latest Nokias quickly, but there seems to be a very long lag now -- releasing a product 12 months later is almost functionally useless considering product cycles today.

OTOH I think the reputation here that Nokias bundle a set of great features and nice hardware but don't provide a gestalt experience that is as moving as the iPhone is pretty well deserved. There's nothing quite like the App Store, and how much it changes the way one uses a phone, out there today outside the realm of the iPhone.

(Also FWIW we get pretty advanced phones from other brands, particularly the Korean CDMA phones that don't have big European market penetration -- and similarly they're very advanced but the overall experience is still not what using an iPhone is.)

Demosthenes X
Oct 6, 2009, 03:50 PM
Good news. There are some very nice handsets (HTC phones come to mind) running Windows mobile, but the device makers feel it's necessary to cover as much of Windows as possible with their own software because the experience is to poor otherwise. If MS can do with mobile what they've done with 7, more power to them!

EarthDawn
Oct 6, 2009, 04:06 PM
we will see it when it comes out.... and that will probably be the last time we see it in typical MS fashion....

bassanoclapper
Oct 6, 2009, 04:55 PM
Nokia’s are everywhere here in Europe. Their hardware (along with most smart phones) are a long way ahead of Apple.
I see lots of people with iPhones or wanting one

Very little interest in the N97

Silencio
Oct 6, 2009, 05:22 PM
Nokia’s are everywhere here in Europe. Their hardware (along with most smart phones) are a long way ahead of Apple.


OTOH, software-wise Symbian is at least two years behind Apple -- let alone Palm or Google -- and Nokia have shown no inkling that making software a core competency of theirs is any kind of priority. I guess their CEO is too busy hob-nobbing with Bono and drinking cocktails on Paul Allen's yacht.

Windows Mobile "gets no respect" because it hasn't earned any.

SimonTheSoundMa
Oct 6, 2009, 05:59 PM
OTOH, software-wise Symbian is at least two years behind Apple -- let alone Palm or Google -- and Nokia have shown no inkling that making software a core competency of theirs is any kind of priority. I guess their CEO is too busy hob-nobbing with Bono and drinking cocktails on Paul Allen's yacht.

Windows Mobile "gets no respect" because it hasn't earned any.

The higher end Nokia phones run Linux. Symbian was ditched some time ago.

elppa
Oct 7, 2009, 02:00 AM
OTOH, software-wise Symbian is at least two years behind Apple -- let alone Palm or Google --

By “let alone” do you mean to say you think Palm and Google's software is better than Apple's?

Not sure I'd agree.

DMann
Oct 7, 2009, 02:35 AM
Perhaps, another point of view will help to clarify things regarding the true state of Windows Mobile 6.5. (http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/06/windows-mobile-6-5-review-it-still-sucks/)

spillproof
Oct 7, 2009, 11:11 AM
Perhaps, another point of view will help to clarify things regarding the true state of Windows Mobile 6.5. (http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/06/windows-mobile-6-5-review-it-still-sucks/)

All that negativity! And what is a stylus? I am very surprised MS still relies on one of those ancient devices.

Too bad it sucks and that keyboard is hideous. Like they said, maybe WM 7 will be an actual iPhone and Android competitor.

Silencio
Oct 7, 2009, 11:19 AM
By “let alone” do you mean to say you think Palm and Google's software is better than Apple's?

Not sure I'd agree.

Android and WebOS both have a few areas where they are better than OS X Touch, but are they better overall? No way.

And it doesn't really matter whether Nokia is using Symbian or Linux on their smartphones: they have yet to demonstrate any kind of competency or vision in developing software of any kind.

BongoBanger
Oct 7, 2009, 12:33 PM
And it doesn't really matter whether Nokia is using Symbian or Linux on their smartphones: they have yet to demonstrate any kind of competency or vision in developing software of any kind.

You mean aside from acquiring 40% or more of the smartphone market?

As fro WinMo 6.5, it's a dog. Fortunately it can be skinned very well - although not perfectly.

Maccin475
Oct 7, 2009, 01:34 PM
It seemed like 4-5 years ago we got the latest Nokias quickly, but there seems to be a very long lag now -- releasing a product 12 months later is almost functionally useless considering product cycles today.

OTOH I think the reputation here that Nokias bundle a set of great features and nice hardware but don't provide a gestalt experience that is as moving as the iPhone is pretty well deserved. There's nothing quite like the App Store, and how much it changes the way one uses a phone, out there today outside the realm of the iPhone.

(Also FWIW we get pretty advanced phones from other brands, particularly the Korean CDMA phones that don't have big European market penetration -- and similarly they're very advanced but the overall experience is still not what using an iPhone is.)

Nokia has traditionally been a weak player in the CDMA markets, like the US. Nokia does have an app store but it is not accessible in the US through AT&T (I'm on AT&T and they don't allow access to the Nokia app store). Despite being weak in the US market, Nokia is still the leader in mobile phone sales worldwide.