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Stelliform
Jul 15, 2004, 04:03 PM
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IJ Reilly
Jul 15, 2004, 04:34 PM
In the tit-for-tat world of campaign politics, this makes a difference. In the real world, it's meaningless.

Neserk
Jul 15, 2004, 05:20 PM
Ummm... Bush was the PRESIDENT when he didn't read the report, Kerry was not. Think about it ;)

Sun Baked
Jul 15, 2004, 05:35 PM
John Kerry :p

I guess he's trying to brush his own lapses under the carpet.Boston Globe July 10, 2004 (http://news.bostonherald.com/national/view.bg?articleid=35060&format=)

NEW YORK - Sen. John F. Kerry [related, bio] told an interviewer he had been too busy to receive a national security briefing on the threat of an imminent terrorist attack on the United States, and then went to a celebrity-packed fund-raising concert at Radio City Music Hall.

In an appearance on CNN's ``Larry King Live'' on Thursday night, Kerry was asked about the warning, earlier that day, that al-Qaeda was planning a large-scale attack on the United States to disrupt the upcoming political conventions and the election.

King asked Kerry for his reactrion, and he replied, ``Well, I haven't been briefed yet, Larry. They have offered to brief me. I just haven't had time.''

A few hours later, he attended the star-studded fund-raiser.

Stelliform
Jul 15, 2004, 05:49 PM
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jelloshotsrule
Jul 15, 2004, 05:52 PM
Ummm... Bush was the PRESIDENT when he didn't read the report, Kerry was not. Think about it ;)

but kerry gave his support to go to war. without his support (and others' of course), the president wouldn't have gone to war (in theory)...

why do we make excuses for our representatives in our gov't rather than demanding the best from them??? it's amazing

Neserk
Jul 15, 2004, 07:28 PM
But Kerry wants to be president, shouldn't he be trying harder? Think about that. ;)

Ummm... this was 3 years ago...

Neserk
Jul 15, 2004, 07:28 PM
but kerry gave his support to go to war. without his support (and others' of course), the president wouldn't have gone to war (in theory)...

why do we make excuses for our representatives in our gov't rather than demanding the best from them??? it's amazing

:rolleyes: If you can't see the obvious difference...

IJ Reilly
Jul 15, 2004, 07:55 PM
Congress authorized the use of force, which was an abdication of their war-making powers in my opinion, but the President is the single person who chose to exercise it. Like I said, only in the warped world of politics can the two be seen as equal.

Still, Kerry needs to articulate a much clearer and more consistent position on what he voted for and why, or he's going to find himself constantly fending off accusations like this, which are only intended to muddy the water and allow Bush to wriggle out of responsibility.

Neserk
Jul 15, 2004, 08:02 PM
. Like I said, only in the warped world of politics can the two be seen as equal.



Exactly.

mactastic
Jul 15, 2004, 09:57 PM
<sarcasm>For someone who is such a better canidate than Bush, I thought that he certainly would have read the report.</Sarcasm>

So is it your assertion that Bush is the better candidate because neither of them managed to read the report?

skunk
Jul 16, 2004, 04:12 AM
This is a foolish argument: there is no question that it was the DUTY of BOTH men to read - and as far as possible check the accuracy of - the report. There is no more important decision than whether to go to war. Thousands have died, billions have been spent, and neither man could be bothered to do their job properly beforehand. I am saddened to see that yet again the candidates for "Leader of the Free World" are so inadequate to the task.

jelloshotsrule
Jul 16, 2004, 10:09 AM
:rolleyes: If you can't see the obvious difference...

if you can't answer my simple question... :rolleyes:


i'll even reiterate: why make excuses and defend a candidate's weaknesses when you could be demanding the best from him/her? what a great democracy that has made for.

katchow
Jul 16, 2004, 11:33 AM
this is something i've struggled with...i decided i would not vote for bush a long time ago for reasons that go beyond this ill-concieved war, but i'm having a hard time defending democrats who had access to the same intelligence and seemingly came to the same conclusions as the president. Don't get me wrong, i really want to believe in them...

if the only difference is that congress granted permission and the pres. is the one that acted on it...well that seems a little weak. Surely everybody knew what Bush was planning to do if authority was granted...

jelloshotsrule
Jul 16, 2004, 12:14 PM
This is a foolish argument: there is no question that it was the DUTY of BOTH men to read - and as far as possible check the accuracy of - the report. There is no more important decision than whether to go to war. Thousands have died, billions have been spent, and neither man could be bothered to do their job properly beforehand. I am saddened to see that yet again the candidates for "Leader of the Free World" are so inadequate to the task.


well said! likewise, who read the patriot act before voting for it??? sad

IJ Reilly
Jul 16, 2004, 12:19 PM
This story has not completely unfolded. We still don't know much about how the administration influenced the CIA's conclusions. We do know that quite a few qualified statements in the original version of the report were altered to remove the qualifications in favor of making Saddam's WMD programs look more certain. How did that happen? The available evidence points to administration influence. The final report on this won't come out until after the election.