[UK] Union expects post strike support

[edesignuk]

The result of a ballot of 120,000 Royal Mail workers that could pave the way for a second national strike in two years will be announced later.

The Communication Workers Union (CWU) says it is confident of support for industrial action in the dispute.

A series of regional strikes in the long-running dispute has created a backlog of millions of letters.

Royal Mail says it is losing money on letter and parcel delivery and has warned of the damage strikes could do.

But the general secretary of the CWU, Billy Hayes, told the BBC that workers had little choice but to vote for action in the pay and job cuts dispute. BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8295714.stm).

Maybe I'm viewing this too simply here, but...

Not as much stuff is being sent via Royal Mail, other couriers are taking market share, and people use e-mail more and more. We've been in a recession to boot. What do these workers expect to happen as a result of these circumstances?

As a result of their last strike there are apparently ~15m items of postage sitting around that may never be delivered. Now they want to strike again, just before Christmas.

WTF? Have they been talking with the RMT about how to best time and piss off the public to ensure no support.

Pisses me off! Bastids! :eek: :rolleyes:

[iBlue]

Bewilders and pisses me off too. What, they think because they got a job that they are entitled to keep it indefinitely and unconditionally? Completely regardless of, well, anything? :rolleyes: Wankers.

[bartelby]

Bewilders and pisses me off too. What, they think because they got a job that they are entitled to keep it indefinitely and unconditionally? Completely regardless of, well, anything? :rolleyes: Wankers.

Wouldn't you want to feel secure in your job?

[iBlue]

Wouldn't you want to feel secure in your job?

Of course, and I'd probably do what I could to protect it. But when it comes to striking and inconveniencing millions of people because business is in a decline, I think it's unreasonable of them. I can understand their panic and naturally not wanting to be out of work (especially right now) but I don't understand what makes them think they are more special than the rest of the struggling world.

I totally support unions and striking when there is a good reason for it. From what I can tell about this strike (and many of the london underground strikes as well) it's just a massively misplaced sense of entitlement.

[bartelby]

Of course, and I'd probably do what I could to protect it. But when it comes to striking and inconveniencing millions of people because business is in a decline, I think it's unreasonable of them. I can understand their panic and naturally not wanting to be out of work (especially right now) but I don't understand what makes them think they are more special than the rest of the struggling world.

I totally support unions and striking when there is a good reason for it. From what I can tell about this strike (and many of the london underground strikes as well) it's just a massively misplaced sense of entitlement.

It all comes down to the fact that they can inconvenience millions of people and hope their bosses don't want this to happen and at least give a decent deal. What's reported in the press, about what the unions want, are usually a massive compromise and in more towards the managements than the workers idea of a fair deal.

It's not that they think they're special, they just have a massive amount of leverage. Not a massively misplaced sense of entitlement.

From what I've read in the news over the last few days, as a civil servant I'm going to be ******** over by which ever party win the next election. When it comes down to it I'll be all for causing inconvenience to whoever I can if it's needed. So I apologise in advance...

... Not that Child Health statistics have a massive impact on the average person... :)

[arkitect]

When it comes down to it I'll be all for causing inconvenience to whoever I can if it's needed. So I apologise in advance...

... Not that Child Health statistics have a massive impact on the average person... :)
Damn! :) Wish it was HMRC. :o

[iBlue]

It all comes down to the fact that they can inconvenience millions of people and hope their bosses don't want this to happen and at least give a decent deal. What's reported in the press, about what the unions want, are usually a massive compromise and in more towards the managements than the workers idea of a fair deal.

It's not that they think they're special, they just have a massive amount of leverage. Not a massively misplaced sense of entitlement.

From what I've read in the news over the last few days, as a civil servant I'm going to be ******** over by which ever party win the next election. When it comes down to it I'll be all for causing inconvenience to whoever I can if it's needed. So I apologise in advance...

... Not that Child Health statistics have a massive impact on the average person... :)

I don't think having leverage makes the demands any more reasonable, especially under the current circumstances. It sucks jobs are disappearing, it sucks a lot, but they shouldn't be immune because they have leverage.


I'm not real pleased by the likely possibility of tories getting back in. My fingers are crossed for you. I know this is the last thing you need right now.

[robbieduncan]

What they seem to be striking over is modernisation plans aimed at dragging the RM out of the 1950s in into the modern age. If the RM don't do this they will struggle to survive without government support as their current business is simply too expensive to survive.

Yes, the results of the modernisation probably does mean less staff will be needed in some roles (particularly sorting), but the alternative may be that no staff will be needed at all.

I think the strikers are being very foolish: businesses small and large may well use this as a reason to look at the alternatives and once the RM is once again available for deliveries they won't come back. On the BBC news this morning there was one example: a small local business that was run out of a village somewhere. The owner had been putting £1000 a month of business through the village post office. She has now switched to an alternative postal supplier and said she would not be switching back. It would not be a surprise if that £1000 a month was helping keep that small PO open...

Edit to add: and bartelby, whilst I wish you the best and the best of luck, the current civil service cannot continue as is, especially the massively generous final salary pension scheme. In my opinion any final salary scheme is simply unworkable going forward.

[bartelby]

Edit to add: and bartelby, whilst I wish you the best and the best of luck, the current civil service cannot continue as is, especially the massively generous final salary pension scheme. In my opinion any final salary scheme is simply unworkable going forward.

You're actually talking about the Senior Civil Service pension there. The average non SCS pension is worth about £5,000 a year and if you're a new civil servant, less than 7 years in the job, you don't get a final salary pension anyway.

[edesignuk]

^ Indeed. They're only screwing themselves with this.

We're a fairly small office here (~100 people) and we do use Royal Mail a lot for letters and parcels. We also use other couriers too for stuff that needs to get somewhere quickly (same day).

Everyone is pretty sick to death of hearing that the post is all messed up. Sooner or later we will simply take all our business else where.

I don't wish job losses on anybody, but the time will come you you have to accept that changes are needed to survive. Trouble is these big unions won't, and they have the capability which they will use all too readily to cause massive disruption.

[robbieduncan]

You're actually talking about the Senior Civil Service pension there. The average non SCS pension is worth about £5,000 a year and if you're a new civil servant, less than 7 years in the job, you don't get a final salary pension anyway.

OK, then I accept my knowledge is somewhat off as it's based off the inflated "truths" in the media. Regardless final salary schemes of any sort are pretty much unworkable. The civil service (and I include the elected members in this) should be using the same schemes that are proposed/coming in for everyone else: contribution based schemes invested in the markets. If it's the best they can come up with for the general population (and I firmly believe that the civil service are as much behind these proposals as the Government) then it's good enough for them.

[Queso]

Damn! :) Wish it was HMRC. :o
They don't need any excuse to inconvenience people :p

The Post Office is a slowly dying entity. As time has gone on I also find myself trusting it less with the important stuff. Instead of registered or parcel post I now DHL important documents or business related packages. Yes it costs a bit more, but you can guarantee that it will be there when you need it to be.

So between the migration away to the couriers at the high-end and e-mail chipping away at the low end, the Post Office will have to change just to survive. Unfortunately the workers have to accept that.

[oscillatewildly]

Deaf management? Looks like more than one side.

General -

My understanding is that the EU required competition in the delivery sector. Companies coming in go after the profitable areas and leave the loss makers to Royal Mail. Stamp prices are kept too low. The Government removes services available through the Post Office, and then says it has to close branches because there isn't the business to justify them.

To me the post - delivery and shops - is a social service to be run at reasonable cost by the Nation for the Nation.

EU and competition - what a fine job they are doing re football and pay tv!

Cheers,
OW

[robbieduncan]

And, as if by magic, a great example comes along to prove my point above:

Royal Mail Loses Amazon Account (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/07/royal-mail-amazon-postal-strikes?CMP=AFCYAH).

Another fantastic result for the Union there. I hope they and their members are proud of what they have achieved.

[edesignuk]

^ That will certainly help their prospects for future jobs and pay. A job well done :rolleyes:

[iBlue]

^ Wow, Amazon? That's got to hurt. They shot themselves in the foot on this though.

It's a shame when crap like this happens because it does give unions a bad reputation. Unions can be a very good thing, when they're not taking the piss with unreasonable strikes.

[jessica.]

*quickly mails of post*

[arkitect]

Well its official:

Strike is on… :(
Postal workers voted three to one in favour of action, with more than 60,000 out of 80,000 workers voting to strike
BBC link… (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8296660.stm)

I guess if you feel your job is on the line it is difficult to view the "bigger picture", but this is very short sighted.
This could be the end of Royal Mail.

[yetanotherdave]

As a result of their last strike there are apparently ~15m items of postage sitting around that may never be delivered.

I thought they had a legal obligation to ensure that everything gets delivered?

[edesignuk]

I thought they had a legal obligation to ensure that everything gets delivered?I thought so too, but I have a funny feeling we're going down the road that they will simply do as they please.

[yetanotherdave]

I've been wondering for a while now why someone like tesco doesn't get it's hand in in the post service.
They have a large network of stores, warehouses, delivery networks/vans. It probably wouldn't take much (comparatively) for them to set up shop. And you're already more likely to find a tesco in a town than a post office.

[r1ch4rd]

OK, then I accept my knowledge is somewhat off as it's based off the inflated "truths" in the media. Regardless final salary schemes of any sort are pretty much unworkable. The civil service (and I include the elected members in this) should be using the same schemes that are proposed/coming in for everyone else: contribution based schemes invested in the markets. If it's the best they can come up with for the general population (and I firmly believe that the civil service are as much behind these proposals as the Government) then it's good enough for them.

The problem with Final Salary schemes is that all of the liability lies with the employer and none lies with the member. If things go wrong and there is a shortfall, it is the employer who has to cover it. In tough times, no employer wants to take this risk.

Unfortunately, the opposite is true of a Defined Contribution scheme where the member takes all of the risk. If there is a shortfall in your pension then tough luck!

In a final salary scheme, it is likely that the pension will be based on the members top earnings at the height of their career multiplied up by the amount of service and then various factors are applied. If you get a big pay rise at the end of your career, the cost of your pension will skyrocket, leaving your employer out of pocket.

A good compromise is a Career Average Revalued Earnings (CARE) scheme. This works on a similar basis to a Final Salary scheme, but is much less generous. With a CARE scheme there is a guaranteed amount of pension at the end of it, but the amount reflects a members entire career. Pension "blocks" are calculated on a yearly basis and remain in place until retirement. If you have a huge salary increase, only future accrual will see the benefit.

The liability here still lies with the employer, but the costs are much reduced and with contributions from both the member and employer, the risk is lower.

The idea of a final salary scheme isn't so bad, it's just that employers have been too generous during good times and are now feeling the affects in bad times.

Back on topic though... I have a very low opinion of Royal Mail at the best of times. Delivery to my flat is terrible. Post never arrives in the morning, and often not even on the day I expect. Constant strikes are not improving anything and just annoying customers further. If things continue to get worse, I doubt I will continue to support Royal Mail.

[Peterkro]

Amazon has not ditched it's PO contract it's merely looking at alternatives should the strike go ahead, thanks to the Guardian for posting a misleading article and then not removing it after it was pointed out it was incorrect. Amazon needs the PO more than the PO needs Amazon,£25 million is not such a big deal on a turnover of £9 billion. For anybody interested in the actual reasons for the dispute, as opposed to the outright propaganda being printed by the red tops (and the Guardian ) here is a postal workers take on what's happening:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v31/n18/maya01_.html

I'm loving the tone in this thread, ordinary workers are getting f*cked over left right and center and who's getting the blame? the very ones who are trying to fight back. All this stuff is happening to force the poor yet again to pay for the monumental balls up by the financial industry.

[djellison]

I've had enough. As a company, we use RM to send out DVD-ROM's and CD-ROM's for medical education. Having another strike is just a step to far. It's probably only £100 a month of postage - but it's time for us to find another means to do it. What alternatives are there? Anyone have experience with replacing RM?

If the Union wishes to further inconvenience our business with their strike - then the onus is on the consumer to inconvenience them by taking business elsewhere.

Need one highlight just how well the UK's automotive and coal industries are doing following extensive strike action? The purpose of RM is to deliver post, as efficiently and cheaply as possible. The union, in trying to stop them, is simply helping ensure that RM will die, like the other 'causes' they fought for in decades past.

[Peterkro]

I've had enough. As a company, we use RM to send out DVD-ROM's and CD-ROM's for medical education. Having another strike is just a step to far. It's probably only £100 a month of postage - but it's time for us to find another means to do it. What alternatives are there? Anyone have experience with replacing RM?

If the Union wishes to further inconvenience our business with their strike - then the onus is on the consumer to inconvenience them by taking business elsewhere.

Need one highlight just how well the UK's automotive and coal industries are doing following extensive strike action? The purpose of RM is to deliver post, as efficiently and cheaply as possible. The union, in trying to stop them, is simply helping ensure that RM will die, like the other 'causes' they fought for in decades past.

Good luck with your search for a cheaper more efficient service than the PO,Amazon can't but maybe you'll have better luck.The "causes" fought for in the past may not be important to you but things like a five day week,a eight hour day,no child labour,meal breaks etc etc are rights fought long and hard for by the unions you appear to despise and are very important to me and many others.

[iPhone 62S]

These postal strikes are very annoying! If only someone could create a system for electronically sending messages instantly and free of charge! :rolleyes:

[Eraserhead]

Need one highlight just how well the UK's automotive and coal industries are doing following extensive strike action?

But, to look at it another way, while they striked excessively at the end of the car industry, the management had screwed it up for years beforehand by not making enough decent models.

And with the coal it was becoming uneconomic to extract further coal, so them not striking wouldn't have helped them keep their jobs.

In this case some of the problem lies with RM's management (AKA the government) only earning 1/5th of what they do, so they aren't probably as competent as RM's management.

[robbieduncan]

But, to look at it another way, while they striked excessively at the end of the car industry, the management had screwed it up for years beforehand by not making enough decent models.

That is, at best, about 50% true. The appalling job the workers did putting them together led to a reputation (well deserved) for unreliability. That coupled with the strikes leading to very variably supply drove many previously loyal customers to foreign imports. The workers were very much involved with their own fate.

[Queso]

These postal strikes are very annoying! If only someone could create a system for electronically sending messages instantly and free of charge! :rolleyes:
If it were just letters there would be no problems. Try e-mailing an online item purchase or a parcel and perhaps you'll see the reason for all the frustration.

[Eraserhead]

That is, at best, about 50% true. The appalling job the workers did putting them together led to a reputation (well deserved) for unreliability. That coupled with the strikes leading to very variably supply drove many previously loyal customers to foreign imports. The workers were very much involved with their own fate.

It wasn't totally clear in my post :o, but I think both things are true and at fault for the problems in the UK car industry.

[arkitect]

First day of strke confirmed:

22 October 2009…

Link. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8304537.stm)

[edesignuk]

First day of strke confirmed:

22 October 2009…Waaaaankers!

[djellison]

I'll be proposing a shift to TNT or someone else for posting stuff in the future.

Sorry Union - you're doing the opposite of what you want. You're not fighting for your members - you're fighting to drive away customers and ruin the company.

[Stampyhead]

Good luck with your search for a cheaper more efficient service than the PO,Amazon can't but maybe you'll have better luck.The "causes" fought for in the past may not be important to you but things like a five day week,a eight hour day,no child labour,meal breaks etc etc are rights fought long and hard for by the unions you appear to despise and are very important to me and many others.

You're obviously a postal worker yourself (or close to someone who is) and therefore your posts smack of bias. Sure unions were important and helpful once, but they have outlived their usefulness and their strong-arm tactics have no place in 21st century society. The concept is quite simple, people want a service that will deliver their letters/packages with little to no issues. A company that will strike and disrupt things to get its way can not be that service.

[djellison]

Yesterday - RM attempted to deliver a recorded packet to my home address.

I was at work. Our neigbour saw him - said "I can take it if you like". "Sorry - I've already carded it". (he could, of course, have put another card through)

So - I have a card. This parcel has come from Glasgow to Leicester in about 18 hours. I now have to wait a further 48 hours (I tried today - they couldn't find it) to collect it from the collection office.

How can it possibly take two days to take a stack of carded items from the van, and put them on the shelves ready for collection. It's pathetic.

This is the sort of slapdash sub-par service I've come to expect from RM.

And the people providing this service want to be immune to modernisation whilst getting a pay rise in this economic climate?

Sod off.

[peskaa]

Bah, Royal Mail. Useless monkeys. I get it, the workers want their jobs - but godamn, the service you provide is so poor nobody wants to use it.

[Peterkro]

You're obviously a postal worker yourself (or close to someone who is) and therefore your posts smack of bias. Sure unions were important and helpful once, but they have outlived their usefulness and their strong-arm tactics have no place in 21st century society. The concept is quite simple, people want a service that will deliver their letters/packages with little to no issues. A company that will strike and disrupt things to get its way can not be that service.

I am not a postal worker neither am I particularly close to anyone who is. Because I don't parrot the inane propaganda spouted by the main stream media and have some knowledge of the real reasons behind the dispute makes for much less bias than many other posts exhibit.It may have escaped your notice but wages and conditions for the great mass of workers in the U.K. have either stagnated or dropped over the last thirty odd years since the Thatcherite attack and partial victory over the organised workers.It is also interesting that nations with strong unions e.g. Germany and France are coping much better with the recession than the peasant style Anglo-Saxon ones (U.S. and U.K. ). Strangely enough the Guardian which published it's entirely inaccurate story about Amazon canceling it's contract have not (as far as I'm aware ) published this one:

http://www.roadtransport.com/Articles/2009/10/13/134764/royal-mail-in-16319.5m-contract-win.html

reagarding the PO winning a new 19.5 million contract.

[edesignuk]

http://www.roadtransport.com/Articles/2009/10/13/134764/royal-mail-in-16319.5m-contract-win.html

reagarding the PO winning a new 19.5 million new contract.Wonderful, all they have to do now is actually deliver them and not add them to the pile of "we were on strike, can't be bothered to deal with these now" letters/parcels.

[Peterkro]

Here is the letter that the CWU sent to RM yesterday:

Quote:
Dear Mark

I am writing to confirm that on Thursday 15th October 2009, the Union will serve the relevant notice in line with the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidated) Act 1992, announcing national strike action.

However, given the seriousness of the situation we are prepared to make a fresh offer that will avoid the planned strike action and assist in finding a resolution to this dispute.

The CWU offer comprises of the following:-

• That Royal Mail will reveal their business plan for the whole of the planned transformation programme. This will create an open environment that will allow Royal Mail and CWU to reach a 3 year agreement aimed at providing long term stability for the business, employees and our customers.

• That Royal Mail recommit to the key principle which underpinned the 2007 Pay and Modernisation Agreement i.e. that “change will be introduced by agreement”. This means Royal Mail will unequivocally agree planned 2010 change, including the rollout of new walk sequencing machines.

• That we agree, in principle, that improved Job Security arrangements and a new benefits package that rewards postal workers for delivering success for the business will form part of the final agreement.

• That Royal Mail agrees the principle that budgets should not drive staffing levels and that what constitutes a fair days workload will be based on transparent and agreed standards with the Union. We should jointly consider utilising independent experts in the field of work measurement to facilitate a resolution to all workload issues.

• That Royal Mail are prepared to step back from imposed change and resolve all current local disputes by agreement.

• That Royal Mail agrees to an independent enquiry into the bullying and harassment of postal workers and immediately ceases the use of unagreed HR procedures.

• That Royal Mail are prepared to jointly approach the Government on the urgent need to find a resolution to pensions and regulatory issues.

• That the national parties clear our diaries to allow for an intense period of negotiations to resolve all outstanding issues and conclude a comprehensive national agreement.

Your commitment to the aforementioned will enable us to restore customer confidence and provide a genuine opportunity to resolve this dispute without the need for any further strike action.

Separately and in addition to the above offer, the Union are proposing, without any preconditions, that the national parties jointly explore the possibility of third party mediation. As well as seeking third party mediation to resolve the dispute, the Union would also be prepared to engage third party assistance to help bring about a fundamental long term improvement to industrial and employee relations.

The Union is available for meaningful negotiations for the remainder of this week.

I look forward to your prompt response. If Royal Mail really is sincere about reaching an agreement with the Union that aligns the interests of our customers, employees and the company as a whole, then you will pick up this offer.

Yours sincerely



Dave Ward
Deputy General Secretary (P)

Sounds like the ravings of extreme left Trotskyist anti-Capitialist industrial wreckers to me.

[djellison]

Were I to receive those demands - I would tell them to sod off.

Sorry - the Union can go to hell - it's going to kill RM, and it's shafting those who require RM's services. If the workers don't like the conditions - they can leave and find work elsewhere.

[mogzieee]

I find these strikes selfish and ignorant from the postal workers.

I was staggered to find that a first class mailed item, franked October 3rd arrived at my home on October 12th... and amazingly the letter only had to travel between two towns, about 5-10 miles apart.

First class? My ass.

[Peterkro]

I find these strikes selfish and ignorant from the postal workers.

I was staggered to find that a first class mailed item, franked October 3rd arrived at my home on October 12th... and amazingly the letter only had to travel between two towns, about 5-10 miles apart.

First class? My ass.

Your particular example is bad although how you know this is due to selfish and ignorant workers and not ignorant, selfish and stupid management is beyond me.

[Dagless]

I've got nothing bad to say about them. Our postmans pretty good actually, a few Summers ago whilst my folk were on holiday I sent off for some eBay items. He knew I was still asleep and posted the stuff in the wendy house in the back garden and posted through a note telling me to get my lazy arse up :D. Never had anything lost in the mail (that I know of, at least when it comes to internet shopping), always been a speedy service here.

But boo to the strikes. I've got international post heading my way, I hope this doesn't halt that process :mad:.

[Peterkro]

I've got nothing bad to say about them. Our postmans pretty good actually, a few Summers ago whilst my folk were on holiday I sent off for some eBay items. He knew I was still asleep and posted the stuff in the wendy house in the back garden and posted through a note telling me to get my lazy arse up :D. Never had anything lost in the mail (that I know of, at least when it comes to internet shopping), always been a speedy service here.

But boo to the strikes. I've got international post heading my way, I hope this doesn't halt that process :mad:.

My experiences of posties is similar to yours and I suspect of most peoples,and nobody is happy when strikes happen but often there is good reason.I swear some of the people in this thread are "disgusted of Tunbridge Wells" in disguise.

[robbieduncan]

Interesting re: the Amazon thing.

I ordered a single book yesterday and chose to pay extra for 1st Class Delivery. I expected this would be dispatched with the Royal Mail as per usual. Just received my dispatch email. It's been sent with City Link...

[Peterkro]

Interesting re: the Amazon thing.

I ordered a single book yesterday and chose to pay extra for 1st Class Delivery. I expected this would be dispatched with the Royal Mail as per usual. Just received my dispatch email. It's been sent with City Link...

Amazon use a variety of delivery methods,this may not be accurate but I think anything under 300gms goes PO and larger stuff Citylink.

[djellison]

selfish and stupid management

If it was selfish and stupid management, then why don't the employees quit and work somewhere else?

Perhaps they should wake up - appreciate the current economic climate, and try to help the company they work for improve, rather that trying to screw it over.

[djellison]

1st class letter sent from London arrived at work yesterday.

It was posted on the 9th.

Awesome.

We have to spend a portion of the day preparing customers for the delay induced by the Thur/Fri strikes. Put a note up on our website. Try and send important things by other means. We're not a big company - it's not going to cost us much in real terms - but it IS costing us.

[OllyW]

1st class letter sent from London arrived at work yesterday.

It was posted on the 9th.

Awesome.

We have to spend a portion of the day preparing customers for the delay induced by the Thur/Fri strikes. Put a note up on our website. Try and send important things by other means. We're not a big company - it's not going to cost us much in real terms - but it IS costing us.

I had an email from Amazon yesterday afternoon informing me my copy of Window 7 had been dispatched via Royal Mail.

It was delivered at 9:00 this morning. :)

We have had a lot of problems at work with mail to and from London in the last couple of weeks. I guess it's soon going to spread to the rest of the country. :(

[arkitect]

I had an email from Amazon yesterday afternoon informing me my copy of Window 7 had been dispatched via Royal Mail.
It was delivered at 9:00 this morning. :)

Since the strike is only starting tomorrow that should be expected. ;)
I also think Amazon's warehouse (largest at least) is outside London.

We have had a lot of problems at work with mail to and from London in the last couple of weeks. I guess it's soon going to spread to the rest of the country. :(
Mail within London (M25) has been a nightmare.
Had to cancel 2 cheques (yes, some people will insist on them) because of undelivered mail.
Lease agreement "lost" or in limbo… sigh.

Roll on Christmas. :o

[iBlue]

It seems so hit or miss. We have a few different posties but the one I see most regularly is really nice. He always knocks on the door if he's got something that won't fit through the letterbox. As opposed to another one we had that wouldn't do that so I'd never know when my packages arrived. Just a few moments ago he knocked on the door to hand me my mail and a small parcel and as he left I felt a bit sad. The parcel I just received was sent from Jersey/Guernsey from play.com under their cheapest delivery option (because they don't charge for delivery) and it got here after ordering it only on friday afternoon. That's not too shabby.

I don't have many complaints about royal mail, they've mostly been okay and their prices are pretty good. It will be a huge shame if this is the end of them.

[djellison]

We used a red bag to put our franked mail into that is then dropped at the local RM collection office - and it gets returned the following day in the mail.

Today - ours was returned to next-door.

More excellent service on the ground, from RM delivery staff.

[Dagless]

Well Amazon shipped both our copies of Windows 7 via some courier, next day delivery too. And we were originally with Super Saver. So thanks, Amazon.

But on the other hand of all this I ordered a DVD (located in Bracknell) sent via 1st class delivery and it arrived today, 2 days after the order being placed and dispatched. Never had a bad time with them.

[remmy]

All delivery services have bad and good. I have problems with courier services not delivering saying I was out or using a man in the van service.

[arkitect]

This just in… ;)

The BBC claims a further 3 strike days are planned for next week.

Carrier pigeons are looking good right now.

Meanwhile, the BBC has learned that three strike days will be announced for next week. The CWU declined to comment.

The CWU has said it may make an announcement on further developments later, but had previously said that it would be announcing plans for further strike action.
Link… (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8319679.stm)