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zimv20
Jul 16, 2004, 01:54 PM
link (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/16/opinion/16FRI1.html)


July 16, 2004

A Pause for Hindsight

Over the last few months, this page has repeatedly demanded that President Bush acknowledge the mistakes his administration made when it came to the war in Iraq, particularly its role in misleading the American people about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction and links with Al Qaeda. If we want Mr. Bush to be candid about his mistakes, we should be equally open about our own.

During the run-up to the war, The Times ran dozens of editorials on Iraq, and our insistence that any invasion be backed by "broad international support" became a kind of mantra. It was the administration's failure to get that kind of consensus that ultimately led us to oppose the war.

But we agreed with the president on one critical point: that Saddam Hussein was concealing a large weapons program that could pose a threat to the United States or its allies. We repeatedly urged the United Nations Security Council to join with Mr. Bush and force Iraq to disarm.

As we've noted in several editorials since the fall of Baghdad, we were wrong about the weapons. And we should have been more aggressive in helping our readers understand that there was always a possibility that no large stockpiles existed.

At the time, we believed that Saddam Hussein was hiding large quantities of chemical and biological weapons because we assumed that he would have behaved differently if he wasn't. If there were no weapons, we thought, Iraq would surely have cooperated fully with weapons inspectors to avoid the pain of years under an international embargo and, in the end, a war that it was certain to lose.

That was a reasonable theory, one almost universally accepted in Washington and widely credited by diplomats all around the world. But it was only a theory. American intelligence had not received any on-the-ground reports from Iraq since the Clinton administration resorted to punitive airstrikes in 1998 and the U.N. weapons inspectors were withdrawn. The weapons inspectors who returned in 2002 found Iraq's records far from transparent, and their job was never made easy. But they did not find any evidence of new weapons programs or stocks of prohibited old ones. When American intelligence agencies began providing them tips on where to look, they came up empty.


But we do fault ourselves for failing to deconstruct the W.M.D. issue with the kind of thoroughness we directed at the question of a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda, or even tax cuts in time of war. We did not listen carefully to the people who disagreed with us. Our certainty flowed from the fact that such an overwhelming majority of government officials, past and present, top intelligence officials and other experts were sure that the weapons were there. We had a groupthink of our own.


Congress would never have given President Bush a blank check for military action if it had known that there was no real evidence that Iraq was likely to provide aid to terrorists or was capable of inflicting grave damage on our country or our allies. Many politicians who voted to authorize the war still refuse to admit that they made a mistake. But they did. And even though this page came down against the invasion, we regret now that we didn't do more to challenge the president's assumptions.



Taft
Jul 16, 2004, 02:26 PM
link (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/16/opinion/16FRI1.html)

Nice. And, of course, we can all expect President Bush's apology real soon now.

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Shee-ah, right! This "anti-flip-flopper" and "man of conviction" will never admit to those mistakes. What a pile o' crap.

Taft

Chip NoVaMac
Jul 16, 2004, 04:13 PM
Nice. And, of course, we can all expect President Bush's apology real soon now.

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Shee-ah, right! This "anti-flip-flopper" and "man of conviction" will never admit to those mistakes. What a pile o' crap.

Taft

Well, if the Grey Lady can apologize; one could expect that Bush and company could.

skunk
Jul 16, 2004, 04:38 PM
Don't hold your breath.

zimv20
Jul 16, 2004, 05:08 PM
PPPPPPPHFFFFFWEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
(gasp) (gasp)

skunk
Jul 16, 2004, 05:55 PM
I said DON'T hold your breath! :eek:

mischief
Jul 19, 2004, 11:20 AM
If I'm not mistaken:

Conviction is a commitment to an Ideal or a set of values.

Zealotry is allowing your beliefs to override reason and define your course of action based on a doctrine rather than reasonable examination of the situation.

Basically: A person who uses the word "Conviction" to explain never admitting error is a Zealot... Worse, a Zealot with very little self-awareness.

Neserk
Jul 19, 2004, 05:36 PM
WOW! I'm guessing that wasn't one of those little retractions on the back page of the section nobody reads but lines their bird cages with???