iPod to be on Newsweek Cover

[MacRumors]

The cover of the upcoming issue of Newsweek, dated July 26, 2004, will apparently feature Steve Jobs holding an iPod with this text:

Steve Jobs and The Must-Have Music Player Everyone Is Talking About
<strong>iPod, Therefore i Am</strong>

The cover can be seen at the MSNBC Newsweek site in medium (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/040726_Issue/040717_COVER.320w.jpg) and large (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/040726_issue/040717_COVER.jpg) sizes.

The issue should be shipping Sunday, on newstands Monday, and received by subscribers Tuesday.

[afields]

my hopes: better battery, line in for recording! :)

[topicolo]

Awesome! talk about a reliable leak! So that's what the new ipod will look like...

[iconrad]

I may have to get a new iPod :D

[Pipian]

Hoo-ray..

I like the scroll wheel

[zyuzin4]

mmm looks nice...thank you increased credit limit doh

[Freg3000]

Click wheel and thank god it is still white.

[tomponce]

Looks pretty sweet. I might have to buy a new one soon. Although my original iPod from 11/2001 is still working flawlessly. Anyone else still using the original iPod?

[appleface]

sweet. the next generation is here. apple must like the mini's navigation better. i don't see any fancy colors like thinksecret reported though. it looks apple is still keen on the white. so, when will apple make the announcement?

[yuc7zhd2]

I just sent my defective 20gb to apple for replacement friday. Think I'll get the new scroll wheel as replacement?

[nesbitt_a]

Hopefully Apple will get their act together with the iPod headphones this time.

Fingers crossed.
ps. Who cares about a colour wheel? Lets see some features* we can actually use

[JOD8FY]

I like the white look. I noticed they took away the 4 buttons, though. Looks nice - I'm hoping for improved battery life and some sort of integration with wireless.

JOD8FY

[MattG]

Sweet.

I had an iPod, but sold it because I just wasn't using it very much. If these new iPods are AirTunes capable, I just might have to buy one. That would be out of this world...if I could just carry the thing around with me, wirelessly streaming music to my stereo :)

[rosalindavenue]

Well there we have the 4th gen-- mini scroll wheel on marginally thinner ipod. No video, no wireless (probably). I've been enjoying my 3G I bought in April and I won't be too jealous about the new one UNLESS it gets better battery life. That would be great, of course, but I'd still be jealous.

[Squire]

my hopes: better battery, line in for recording! :)

Same here. But I'm glad they didn't drastically change the form factor.

Squire

[mojohanna]

Doh, i got a silver Mini in Feb. (I must have gotten lucky). Now I am jealous. Specially if they have this in a 10gig.

[iostream.h]

I'd rather see an iPod with the mini contour

[macridah]

Well there we have the 4th gen-- mini scroll wheel on marginally thinner ipod. No video, no wireless (probably). I've been enjoying my 3G I bought in April and I won't be too jealous about the new one UNLESS it gets better battery life. That would be great, of course, but I'd still be jealous.

I do like the mini scroll wheel, and I also won't be looking at my 3G iPod and wishing for the new 4G. If the new ones are thinner, lighter, bigger hard drive, and has better battery life, then I'll be kinda jealous.

[pkradd]

You dont screw around with a succesful product. The mini-style scroll wheel was a no-brainer. Apple has patents pending on it. MSNBC site doesn't have the story yet or even the cover as I can determine.

[afields]

Is this hidden in newsweeks website? How did you guys find this? Entertainment section?

[Ambrose Chapel]

Looks pretty sweet. I might have to buy a new one soon. Although my original iPod from 11/2001 is still working flawlessly. Anyone else still using the original iPod?

i'm still using the original 5GB iPod (got it in May 02)...still getting 10 or so hours or battery life, which is why i haven't yet upgraded
:)

[Doctor Q]

Is this hidden in newsweeks website? How did you guys find this? Entertainment section?Take a look at this post by member mrdhammer and you'll see what some clever sleuthing can do!

[brn2prgrm]

So I am guessing that, by combining all the rumors so far, the new iPod's will be announced Sunday/Monday, but they won't ship until mid-August, which is what the original rumor implied. Anyways, they look awesome!

[afields]

Take a look at this post by member mrdhammer and you'll see what some clever sleuthing can do!


Clever.

[quagmire]

The scroll wheel looks to be not a click wheel. Yes, it is set up like the minis. If you look closely you see the scroll wheel is built in not out like the click wheel. So, the looks of it it is touch sensitive.

[Freg3000]

The scroll wheel looks to be not a click wheel. Yes, it is set up like the minis. If you look closely you see the scroll wheel is built in not out like the click wheel. So, the looks of it it is touch sensitive.

I agree. The wheel does not seem clickable. If that makes sense at all.

[Warbrain]

I just sent my defective 20gb to apple for replacement friday. Think I'll get the new scroll wheel as replacement?

you won't get the new scroll wheel as the replacement. you'll always get the same generation and same model and size as you bought originally.

speaking of the cover, here it is:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/040726_Issue/040717_COVER.320w.jpg

[yossele]

Everything is getting officially leaked before their official announcement, either by them or by others. Are they changing their rules of announcing products?

[zyuzin4]

I agree. The wheel does not seem clickable. If that makes sense at all.

I believe it is clickable. on the full size cover the wheel looks raised a tiny bit, not built in...hmm hard to tell though

[macridah]

This is almost the samething that happened when the new iMac came out, some magazine cover got released before apple's original announcement. I guess the only thing new we'll find out monday, is the price, hard drive size, and new software features.

[yuc7zhd2]

well, one new software feature = shuffle, which i would imagine is the same as itunes shuffle feature. suits me fine. I love that feature.

[Doctor Q]

Menu choices on the iPod screen: Music, Extras, Settings, Shuffle Songs, and Backlight.

Text at the bottom of the Newsweek cover: Steve Jobs with the new iPod.

[Warbrain]

This is almost the samething that happened when the new iMac came out, some magazine cover got released before apple's original announcement. I guess the only thing new we'll find out monday, is the price, hard drive size, and new software features.

that was Time and yes, it showed the new iMac with Jobs and Ives (?) on the cover with the iMac. i doubt there'll be any new features, and if there are, i assume that a lot of them will be available to the 3Gen iPods.

[appleface]

so when is the ship date for the 60gb model?

[Warbrain]

i don't like how it has a music menu instead of playlists and browse. i like being able to choose between the two instead of just having music. and having shuffle songs right on the main menu is stupid since you can just go to settings and set that yourself.

[utah_boy2]

I'm Sold .. Heres hoping the battery is improved!

[nuckinfutz]

Glad to see the new models coming and them moving to something that is similar to the superior ipod mini wheel

There are bound to be other features but those expecting too many changes are going to be disappointed. Products in demand shouldn't change much until demand has been met.

I'm happy with the way Apple has maximized iPod potential.

[iChan]

Doh, i got a silver Mini in Feb. (I must have gotten lucky). Now I am jealous. Specially if they have this in a 10gig.

now, why would they do a thing like that? that is totally backwards.

[macridah]

i don't like how it has a music menu instead of playlists and browse. i like being able to choose between the two instead of just having music. and having shuffle songs right on the main menu is stupid since you can just go to settings and set that yourself.

Maybe the playlist and browse are the sub menu's to music menu. I wonder if there will be a software update for iPod 3G's and iTunes?

[barnett25]

I believe it is clickable. on the full size cover the wheel looks raised a tiny bit, not built in...hmm hard to tell though

I agree, there is a shadow around the bottom right corner of the scroll wheel when you look at the full size picture.

[iChan]

I'd rather see an iPod with the mini contour

to each his own

[crazzyeddie]

Indeed a very out of the ordinary way to show off the next gen iPods :D

[applekid]

Now to see what kind of features it has. Doesn't seem like a huge jump compared to the 1G/2G to the 3G. It's more of a half-step by looking at the picture.

Now, if we've got wireless, and some other cool features that's 4G only (I'm assuming Shuffle will be available by firmware update for the older gens), I think I'll have to consider an upgrade.

[AoWolf]

wonder how long till apple gets pissed at the magazine and makes them take it down...

[AppleMatt]

Two things:

- Steve Jobs is going to be angry about this leak.
- Thankfully it doesn't look different enough to warrant me buying a new one, which is always a real danger when Apple release new products.

edit: Argh I'm thinking of how convenient that click wheel will be. Save me from myself.

AppleMatt

[Warbrain]

i'm sure that the new software features will be available as a firmware update for 3Gen iPods. but i'm sure that there's not much more in features. it's not even a half step, it's just a movement of buttons and nothing else.

[iChan]

Indeed a very out of the ordinary way to show off the next gen iPods :D


Better get used to it... I think this sort of thing is Apple's New ordinary...

[iChan]

wonder how long till apple gets pissed at the magazine and makes them take it down...

Pissed?? doubt it... I don't think Apple care, It's not like there is going to be a keynote dedicated to this release or anything... The media bombardment is going to ferocious...

[bluebull]

i don't like how it has a music menu instead of playlists and browse. i like being able to choose between the two instead of just having music. and having shuffle songs right on the main menu is stupid since you can just go to settings and set that yourself.
Yeah, but on the new one, you could just go to Settings>Main Menu and turn off "Shuffle Songs" and "Music", then turn on "Playlists" and "Browse." Remember, the Main Menu is pretty much fully customizable.

[pkradd]

It's a click wheel just like the mini. The photo has little depth to it. There is a slight suggestion of depth at the bottom of the wheel in the photo below. But it is only a 2D photo and doesn't faithfully represent the product. (When shown on the website it will be heavily photoshopped to emphasize various parts, as is always done). Apple spent money developing the wheel. They have a patent pending on it and they sure as hell will use it. Here's a higher rez version of the cover:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/040726_issue/040717_COVER.jpg

[Abstract]

The iPod was already thin, so making it thinner was probably a feat in itself. The new scrollwheel is great, and the thin-ness is great as well, but instead of making it thinner, why not keep it the same size and somehow fit in a larger battery? If someone wants a smaller player, they'll get a mini iPod.

[ibookin']

Wasn't it Newsweek Canada who posted the pics of the new iMac a little too early back in '02?

[discoteca]

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/newipods.html
Apple will not announce the new models through a press event, though Think Secret has learned that the announcement will be delivered through an out-of-the-ordinary publicity medium.

Hmmm could this be what they mean?? :confused:

[Duff-Man]

Wasn't it Newsweek Canada who posted the pics of the new iMac a little too early back in '02?Duff-Man says...no, it was Time Canada - that's probably why Newsweek got the scoop this time - just to prove they could blow it too....oh yeah!

[Gherkin]

1G:2G as 3G:4G

I think were going to have to wait until 5G for some big improvements.

[zakee00]

:/ im not too excicted....YET. im REALLY REALLY hopin that apple increased battery life to like 16+ hrs, because that is the only thing other players can use against apple. i was hoping for a color screen, apple probably is experimenting with oled or something more advanced, so it might take a while. that would be SWEET to have a touch sensitive screen across the whole face, kinda like a PDA. meh, a guy can dream.
well, whatever features the new one has, im getting a low end one. ive been waiting for about a week for 4gs to come out, and here they are. i might get 5gb more for free, they probably will drop the 15gb so ill get a 20 :D
EDIT: i dont really think the 4g's look to good. it just seems naked without the buttons. i didnt think the 3g's looked good when they came out, and now i like them so maybe my new 4g will grow on me :)
mmmm....clickwheel :D

[colinp]

Looks pretty sweet to me. I'll be keeping my 3G (I had my Rio 500 for four years! Plan to keep my iPod just as long!!), but I'm not sure what peoples complaints about "not enough new" are, especially when we don't even know what else is new BESIDES the new wheel (which is HUGE if ya ask me- regardless of whether it's already on the Minis).

The idea that the regular iPod will be slimmer is awesome, and probably will be larger HD sizes across the board (whic his always nice). At this point, until I see the beast in person, I'm not sure how I feel about the white w/ grey wheel. I wonder if the back is still metal though. Probably, eh? Pretty sweet though, might have to pick up this issue of (bleh) Newsweek.

[Gherkin]

If they drop the price and increase the battery, there goes 90% of people's arguments on why iPods suck.

[raynegus]

My 30 GB is going on Ebay.

[quagmire]

It's a click wheel just like the mini. The photo has little depth to it. There is a slight suggestion of depth at the bottom of the wheel in the photo below. But it is only a 2D photo and doesn't faithfully represent the product. (When shown on the website it will be heavily photoshopped to emphasize various parts, as is always done). Apple spent money developing the wheel. They have a patent pending on it and they sure as hell will use it. Here's a higher rez version of the cover:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/040726_issue/040717_COVER.jpg

Yeah, I see that now. I was wondering how would they make the scroll wheel and buttons touch sensitive. Oh well, either way I am getting it.

[MattG]

AirTunes!!! AirTunes!!!!!

Come on Apple, this thing better be AirTunes compatible!

[CoffiePot]

I wounder what it'll cost. I just ordered an iPod mini. It'll ship on 8.2 or so Apple says. Umm... cancel order and wait two more weeks?

[jtquick2001]

everyone who is saying that there is no new features based on what you saw on the screen. Gang, dont forget you can adjust what you see on the screen. so in that picture in news week they have all of the goodies that all want hidden and it will be revealed monday.

Also, for those who want video out, hey it still can be on the top or bottom. if this was released in a keynote steve would say, "oh yeah, one more thing..." folks, lets just wait it out till monday.

[colinp]

Also, I'd be pretty surprised if they dropped the price. I just can't see it happening. Not with Apple. Not with the Minis taking up the $250 price point. Like someone pointed out earlier, what price are they going to go to? $279? Too little differentiation between the Mini. $50 is bad enough, especially if the 4G is a smaller size than the 3G...

[eyefragment]

Something interesting. I've been brute forcing the site, and every set of numbers I have tried have linked to an article, book, or picture, except...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5456957/site/newsweek/

That link says it's "outdated." Both 5456956 and 5456958 work. Perhaps our article was taken down?

I'm not giving up hope. More brute forcing to do... hmm hmm...

[Duff-Man]

Duff-Man says...I like the look of the new iPod - I was never a big fan of the 4 buttons, I preferred the wheel like the original iPod I have now. I could easily be convinced to upgrade this time once I see the specs and prices, especially if the battery is improved....oh yeah!

[AoWolf]

My 30 GB is going on Ebay.

Mines already there :D

[zv470]

One new feature I'd like to see added is: crossfade playback. Like the effects feature in iTunes. Those gaps between songs are really annoying. Joining tracks is a bad work-around, some of my techno albums I need to keep two versions of... one for iTunes, the other for my iPod, this is plainly no good. I hope they can include that feature into a firmware update for 3Gs. I realise battery life would suffer, but I'd take that loss any day. I'm sure playing 70 minute files would be about the same drain as crossfade playback. So come on Apple!!... please do it! :)

[iChan]

Duff-Man says...no, it was Time Canada - that's probably why Newsweek got the scoop this time - just to prove they could blow it too....oh yeah!

firstly, that whole duff man thing is getting old.

secondly, in my opinion, an evolution of a product like iPod is hardly in the same league as a totally new form factor iMac.

[AndrewMT]

I'd rather see an iPod with the mini contour

I'm going to have to agree with you. The shape of the ipod mini is much more appealing. I'm wondering if they stayed with the old shape so that it would work with the old docks.

What about the back of this new iPod? Is it shiny chrome, or brush aluminum?

[afields]

firstly, that whole duff man thing is getting old.

secondly, in my opinion, an evolution of a product like iPod is hardly in the same league as a totally new form factor iMac.

Don't diss the duff-man. :mad:

[iChan]

Don't diss the duff-man. :mad:


sorry. all hail duff man

[themacrobaye]

hmm.... i would get one... but i like the 3G design better...

I guess I would like 4G more if the wheel was white with the button imprints grey, rather than vice-versa.

[pkradd]

They were able to make the iPod thinner because the drive is now embedded right into the circuit board rather then simply being dropped into the shell and attached with a bulky ribbon connector. Even though it is thinner, there still should be enough room for the same size battery. That battery can have a couple of hours more charge to it if they use a different version. Several replacement batteries available do hold longer charges. The battery issue is for most people a non-issue. If it was and Dell and other players with supposedly longer battery life would be selling better. But, guess what, they're not.

[jeffgarden]

the advantage of a shuffle option is you can listen to albums in order, and use the shuffle option when you want to listen to your entire library on random

[Mac|caM]

:/ im not too excicted....YET. im REALLY REALLY hopin that apple increased battery life to like 16+ hrs, because that is the only thing other players can use against apple. i was hoping for a color screen, apple probably is experimenting with oled or something more advanced, so it might take a while. that would be SWEET to have a touch sensitive screen across the whole face, kinda like a PDA. meh, a guy can dream.
well, whatever features the new one has, im getting a low end one. ive been waiting for about a week for 4gs to come out, and here they are. i might get 5gb more for free, they probably will drop the 15gb so ill get a 20 :D
EDIT: i dont really think the 4g's look to good. it just seems naked without the buttons. i didnt think the 3g's looked good when they came out, and now i like them so maybe my new 4g will grow on me :)
mmmm....clickwheel :D

I bet that the screen is color, but it only switches to color to show album art (and photos??). What's the point of having a color main menu? I think it's pretty sexy. The four buttons never did as much for me as the buttons around the wheel.

[iChan]

the advantage of a shuffle option is you can listen to albums in order, and use the shuffle option when you want to listen to your entire library on random

the shuffle was always there...

well, ever since 3g anyway IIRC

[Duff-Man]

secondly, in my opinion, an evolution of a product like iPod is hardly in the same league as a totally new form factor iMac.Duff-Man says...actually I do agree with that statement. What I was getting at was Steve's penchant for holding a grudge when he gets crossed - he gave the interview to Newsweek and showed off a new iPod - not with Time magazine because they leaked it early before....oh yeah!

[zakee00]

sorry. all hail duff man
duff man owns u :D
HAIL DUFF MAN!!!!!!
mmmmMMM....beer
:)

[iChan]

They were able to make the iPod thinner because the drive is now embedded right into the circuit board rather then simply being dropped into the shell and attached with a bulky ribbon connector. Even though it is thinner, there still should be enough room for the same size battery. That battery can have a couple of hours more charge to it if they use a different version. Several replacement batteries available do hold longer charges. The battery issue is for most people a non-issue. If it was and Dell and other players with supposedly longer battery life would be selling better. But, guess what, they're not.

how'd ya know? about the embedded HD I mean... I don't see how this would save sooo much space... as the ribbon cables are paper-thin. but i digress

[kainjow]

They were able to make the iPod thinner because the drive is now embedded right into the circuit board rather then simply being dropped into the shell and attached with a bulky ribbon connector.
How do you know this???

[zakee00]

I bet that the screen is color, but it only switches to color to show album art (and photos??). What's the point of having a color main menu? I think it's pretty sexy. The four buttons never did as much for me as the buttons around the wheel.
hey, good idea!!!
I have hope again!!! :)
my friends are gunna be so jealous...lol

[quagmire]

With the possibilty of the HD being attached to the chip, could apple stopped you from replacing the battery yourself?

[fossicker]

I guess I would like 4G more if the wheel was white with the button imprints grey, rather than vice-versa.

I'm thinking the wheel is grey so that it will also work with the hp corpse-blue color. That way the only thing that needs to be different for the hp version is the plastic shell.

[Phat_Pat]

Maybe The Shuffel is compatable with airtunes.... for example when the iPod is on and is in the range of a wireless network iTunes will see it.

If the person using airtunes wishes to send you the songs hes listening to you just accept it on the iPod menu and there. You get wireless streamed music in your pocket.

I can already see it.

"The New iPod now with over 20,000 songs in your pocket and introducing the first steaming potrable player."

[OziMac]

Looking good - my 40GB has just been sold and the money is in the bank, so I am loving it!

I wonder when it's going to be available for order? In the US and overseas (Australia in particular)? The 40GB updates were here within a week, as were the eMac revisions (and the Powerbook revisions weren't that delayed either). Yet the Minis took 5 months officially to become 'available' here. I wonder if it will be the same for the 4g iPods? Will be interesting to see what happens to the stores just prior to the publication of Newsweek... I highly doubt they'd be plastering an item that they don't yet offer for sale all over such a huge publication (yes, I know, iMac G4...)...



Also, an aside, Jeffgarden you are a dude! Remarkable how impossible it is to find people who will admit they are Chris Cornell fans, even less so people who think his claim to fame is singing for Audioslave. And further less those who are Apple fans too! Nice website!

[johnnowak]

Just for the record, the reason the iPod has the worst battery life is because it has the most powerful and best sounding amplifier built-in. The iPod is the best sounding mp3 player period, and the batteries do die faster because of it.

[Longey Nowze]

my brother had a first gen iPod that he lost, I found it but never told him, but then my sister took it from me and broke it from misuse... I'm planing to have my brother buy a a 4G iPod so I can find it ;)

[aseh]

Here are two more pictures from the Newsweek article:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Fronts/TSMs/nw_hp_ipod_040718_tsm.jpg
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Art/COVER/040717/TZ215_iPod_115p.standard.jpg

[OziMac]

Hey, do you have links for those other pics?

And has anyone managed to dig up the actual article?

The Newsweek eds will be licking their lips ;)

[Mr.Hey]

my hopes: better battery, line in for recording! :)

Battery life is a given... recording? I'd hope that Steve wouldn't clutter the iPod's UI and design with these new whiz-bang features, ;) that in my opinion would only take away from and not add too the concept thats made the iPod and iPod Mini so successful.

[fartheststar]

- Steve Jobs is going to be angry about this leak.


How do you know? Maybe it's planned.

Edit: Otherwise... the pics would probably be taken down now, per Apple Legal.

[The Bartender]

Is it just me or does the click-wheel on the high res. iPod look like felt or some soft fabric...

This better be a major revision or I'll be very upset after selling my iPod on eBay.

[iChan]

Maybe The Shuffel is compatable with airtunes.... for example when the iPod is on and is in the range of a wireless network iTunes will see it.

If the person using airtunes wishes to send you the songs hes listening to you just accept it on the iPod menu and there. You get wireless streamed music in your pocket.

I can already see it.

"The New iPod now with over 20,000 songs in your pocket and introducing the first steaming potrable player."

sorry to burst your bubble... the rio karma already streams music...albeit not wirelessly.

[afields]

Here are two more pictures from the Newsweek article:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Fronts/TSMs/nw_hp_ipod_040718_tsm.jpg
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Art/COVER/040717/TZ215_iPod_115p.standard.jpg :eek:

[iChan]

Just for the record, the reason the iPod has the worst battery life is because it has the most powerful and best sounding amplifier built-in. The iPod is the best sounding mp3 player period, and the batteries do die faster because of it.

i can totally vouch for what you are saying... the chips come from a company in Scotland called Wolfson Microelectronics that I have invested in so I am pretty familiar with their work... their chips are really high-end, so contribute to eating more battery power, like you said.

[DWKlink]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think these photos look fake? The headphones look painted in, as does the ipod over steve's face. The type is of terribly low resolution, and the edges between the hand and ipod look very blurry and false. The screen is also of a very low resolution compared with the photo of steve and the hand.

Either this is a very rough mock-up, or i'm going on the record as saying i don't buy it...

[iChan]

Battery life is a given... recording? I'd hope that Steve wouldn't clutter the iPod's UI and design with these new whiz-bang features, ;) that in my opinion would only take away from and not add too the concept thats made the iPod and iPod Mini so successful.

I Agree, the purity of the focus on music is what is really appealing about the iPods. however, you can't have too many important integrated peripheral features... these shouldn't detract from the main function, but should enhance an already stellar package and possible give it another attraction for potential customers.

[SpamJunkie]

firstly, that whole duff man thing is getting old.

Heretic!

[Warbrain]

let's look on the bright side...

if jobs has the balls to put 'shuffle songs' on the main menu, then that must mean the battery life is better since it's common knowledge that shuffle drains the iPod battery like hell...

[OziMac]

I'll be the first to admit that this is a little bit of silly deduction...

Have a look at the way Steve is holding the 4g iPod in the cover... I tried holding my 3g 40GB like that and found that my thumb and forefinger were split much further.

So it might seem that either:

a) the 4g iPod will be noticeably smaller in width at least; and/or
b) Steve has gi-normous hands.

Just a thought ;)

[iChan]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think these photos look fake? The headphones look painted in, as does the ipod over steve's face. The type is of terribly low resolution, and the edges between the hand and ipod look very blurry and false. The screen is also of a very low resolution compared with the photo of steve and the hand.

Either this is a very rough mock-up, or i'm going on the record as saying i don't buy it...


nah, i don't think it is fake... too well done... never seen a pic of SJ like that before... it's on Newsweek's site!! all these things point to it being real to me

[Macmaniac]

I'm going to buy one, I hope they at least get the battery life to 12-14 hours, If DELL can do it I am sure Apple can!! Please longer battery life!!!

[FasterSoonerNow]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think these photos look fake? The headphones look painted in, as does the ipod over steve's face. The type is of terribly low resolution, and the edges between the hand and ipod look very blurry and false. The screen is also of a very low resolution compared with the photo of steve and the hand.

Either this is a very rough mock-up, or i'm going on the record as saying i don't buy it...

Are you kidding?

It'd be a bit tough to fake an MSNBC web address.


And those pictures don't look fake at all.

The iPod screen is obviously Photoshopped/airbrushed to make everything readable.

[jimsowden]

Let the photoshop contest begin right here and now.
New iPod your BMW

[ytfsic]

Well there we have the 4th gen-- mini scroll wheel on marginally thinner ipod. No video, no wireless (probably).

Wait a second, what is this... The new ipod starts with "MUSIC" vs "BROWSE" or "PLAYLISTS"... could it be that there is more than just "MUSIC" as an option?

Also, with magazine publications there could always be mods before publication...

[zakee00]

nope, the pics look real to me. the fuzziness is the "aura" from the ipod, come on guys ;)

[Warbrain]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think these photos look fake? The headphones look painted in, as does the ipod over steve's face. The type is of terribly low resolution, and the edges between the hand and ipod look very blurry and false. The screen is also of a very low resolution compared with the photo of steve and the hand.

Either this is a very rough mock-up, or i'm going on the record as saying i don't buy it...

okay, you've got me looking at the picture on a really high zoom now...

and it looks like the part of the picture where the headphones cable goes behind the iPod at the corner looks fake. but you gotta remember, it's newsweek, i'm sure they don't have the best people in the world taking pictures.

[OziMac]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think these photos look fake? The headphones look painted in, as does the ipod over steve's face. The type is of terribly low resolution, and the edges between the hand and ipod look very blurry and false. The screen is also of a very low resolution compared with the photo of steve and the hand.

Either this is a very rough mock-up, or i'm going on the record as saying i don't buy it...

Dude, it's on the Newsweek/MSN server and has supplementary photos and a whole lot of evidence (if you can call the ThinkSecret rumour that the new iPods will be released on Monday via a 'different means' than usual) to support it...

I would think it highly unlikely that it's a fake. The resolution issues are to be expected since someone has to create the photo in the first place for a magazine cover (ie a lot of Photoshopping) and then webify it...

But much respect to you if you are right. I still think that's unlikely ;)

[SpamJunkie]

Has no one realised this: since the menu buttons need to light up somehow when the backlight is on, maybe the whole wheel glows green or orange.

That would like some kind of awesome.

[croooow]

Bestbuy seems to have just sold out of their 3rd Generation iPod. I have been looking to buy a 20GB for the past 2 weeks or so, now I'm going to wait and see the prices of 4th Gen.

[iChan]

I'll be the first to admit that this is a little bit of silly deduction...

Have a look at the way Steve is holding the 4g iPod in the cover... I tried holding my 3g 40GB like that and found that my thumb and forefinger were split much further.

So it might seem that either:

a) the 4g iPod will be noticeably smaller in width at least; and/or
b) Steve has gi-normous hands.

Just a thought ;)


hahahaha, nice deduction

[jeffbax]

Hi, first time poster... don't own a Mac yet but hope to when a more powerful PowerBook 12" comes out :)

As for iPods, I've been holding out, and was about to get a Mini... but I think I'll wait for this.... color doesn't matter much to me, I just hope that the new iPods don't smudge like the old ones do :(

[iChan]

Wait a second, what is this... The new ipod starts with "MUSIC" vs "BROWSE" or "PLAYLISTS"... could it be that there is more than just "MUSIC" as an option?

Also, with magazine publications there could always be mods before publication...

hopefully... Music>Airtunes. !!! please?

[MattG]

I just hope they come in capacities of up to 60gb. At present, my iTunes library is 47.39 gb. An iPod that could hold ALL of it would be nice :)

[iChan]

Hi, first time poster... don't own a Mac yet but hope to when a more powerful PowerBook 12" comes out :)

As for iPods, I've been holding out, and was about to get a Mini... but I think I'll wait for this.... color doesn't matter much to me, I just hope that the new iPods don't smudge like the old ones do :(

welcome to macrumors and the brighter side of computing!!

good luck on your adventure.

[Warbrain]

do you all really think that if the iPod is smaller, that they could cram a wireless antenna into the iPod and allow to broadcast over Airtunes?

[iChan]

in response to the people asking about whether this screen could be an OLED screen... the answer is no...

in an OLED screen, there is no use for a backlight as it is the individual pixels that light up.

therefore, you'd have black screen with lit up words... not black writing intercepting light to create the illusion of text.


also, on a nother note. Sony was suppose to be developing 300,000 of these things by the end of this year for use in their Digital camera's and other small devices with a screen > or = 2"... however, sony have pushed back their projections for this technology to 2005, due to logevity problems... so with these facts in tow, i highly doubt that these iPods have OLED screens...

[iChan]

do you all really think that if the iPod is smaller, that they could cram a wireless antenna into the iPod and allow to broadcast over Airtunes?

there is no doubt that the technology is there and the appropriate minturisation, however, i just don't really see apple doing this...

[narco]

I doubt Steve Jobs will actually get pissed because of this "leak". I mean, two days? I doubt two days will impact sales -- and if they did, by the time their order processed they could have cancelled it and ordered the fourth gen iPod.

Plus only a small percentage frequent the rumor forums. So really, what does he have to worry about?

By the way, that grey-ish click-wheel looks ugly. Give me that in white.

.narco

[OziMac]

Hi, first time poster... don't own a Mac yet but hope to when a more powerful PowerBook 12" comes out :)

As for iPods, I've been holding out, and was about to get a Mini... but I think I'll wait for this.... color doesn't matter much to me, I just hope that the new iPods don't smudge like the old ones do :(

Hey Jeffbax, to echo iChan, welcome...

How much more powerful do you want the 12" Powerbook to be? It already holds a candle easily to the 15" - I reckon it's an awesome buy at the moment, maximum portability and superb performance. But anyway, good luck when you do make the plunge.

What do you mean by smudging iPods? :)

[ArticulatedArm]

There is something creepy about that Newsweek cover photo... if you look at Steve Jobs facial hair, notice he has weird discoloration round the moustache area.... it looks like he has a Hitler moustache! :eek:

[zakee00]

what i meant was that apple (as well as sony) are experimenting with oled tech, and will probably use it at some point in theyre devices. as you have pointed out, these ipods dont have oled, and probably not color screens :(

[zakee00]

I doubt Steve Jobs will actually get pissed because of this "leak". I mean, two days? I doubt two days will impact sales -- and if they did, by the time their order processed they could have cancelled it and ordered the fourth gen iPod.

Plus only a small percentage frequent the rumor forums. So really, what does he have to worry about?

By the way, that grey-ish click-wheel looks ugly. Give me that in white.

.narco
i agree, on both counts
and new, from macrumors...real time rumor forums!!! ;) im just refreshing safari and replying lol

[OziMac]

There is somehting creepy about that Newsweek cover photo... if you look at Steve jobs facial hair he has weird discoloration round the mutsache area.... it looks like he ha a Hitler moustache! :eek:

Hmm. I don't know about that. :confused: I think you see what you want to see in these things - like a Horschack ink blot.

[jimsowden]

There is something creepy about that Newsweek cover photo... if you look at Steve Jobs facial hair, notice he has weird discoloration round the moustache area.... it looks like he has a Hitler moustache! :eek:
I think thats called a shadow. ;)
Let the Photoshop games begin!

[zakee00]

There is something creepy about that Newsweek cover photo... if you look at Steve Jobs facial hair, notice he has weird discoloration round the moustache area.... it looks like he has a Hitler moustache! :eek:
yes, male huminoids tend to get grey hair as they turn older...sorry steve ;)
EDIT: lol jim we both replyed to the same post, same time...real time ;)

[jimsowden]

yes, male huminoids tend to get grey hair as they turn older...sorry steve ;)
EDIT: lol jim we both replyed to the same post, same time...real time ;)
its cool. Now get photoshoping.

[ingenious]

Is it just me, or is the backlight blue? I like! I would like one of these!

[crakly]

Here are two more pictures from the Newsweek article:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Fronts/TSMs/nw_hp_ipod_040718_tsm.jpg
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Art/COVER/040717/TZ215_iPod_115p.standard.jpg

:eek: what colour is the iPod mini in that photo?

[stagmeister]

More pictures from the article... no up closes of the ipod though:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/040726_issue/040717_IpodBoat_wide.standard.jpg

Looks like showing "young people using the ipod and being hip" or something

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/040726_issue/040717_IpodCompetitors_vl.standard.jpg

The ipod's competitors...

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/040726_issue/040717_Ipod_wide.standard.jpg

Steve jobs using a computer with the ipod possibly

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/040726_issue/040717_IpodSUB_vert.standard.jpg

Steve Jobs chillin' with the ipod

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/040726_issue/040717_Ipod152.jpg

Closeup of Steve Jobs listening to the ipod




I'm brute-forcing the site with a script I wrote... I should come up with more stuff eventually and maybe find the article...

[mlw1235]

I'm brute-forcing the site with a script I wrote... I should come up with more stuff eventually and maybe find the article...

SWEET!!
:)

[bertagert]

firstly, that whole duff man thing is getting old.
Not as old as you chiming in every other post.

[iChan]

More pictures from the article... no up closes of the ipod though:

...

I'm brute-forcing the site with a script I wrote... I should come up with more stuff eventually and maybe find the article...

nice work and very clever man!!! I wish I could do some of the stuff you are doing... but alas, lack of talent impedes me.

[narco]

There is something creepy about that Newsweek cover photo... if you look at Steve Jobs facial hair, notice he has weird discoloration round the moustache area.... it looks like he has a Hitler moustache! :eek:

That's what I was thinking. He kind of looks like a chipmunk.

.narco

[OziMac]

:eek: what colour is the iPod mini in that photo?

Good call!

That is either a really really dark room with terrible shadows and a place that no self-respecting photographer would shoot in or... it's a purple iPod Mini! :eek:

Which means that the updates must be on their way...

Which SUCKS because the originals only become available outside the US next Friday!!! :o

[EDIT] It could also be one of the new 'coloured' 4g iPods, but given the aluminium finish and white scroll wheel, it probably is a Mini...

[ArticulatedArm]

Wired headphones always seems so barbaric to me.

I also hate how the wires get kinks and twists in them...instead of just laying nicely. There has to be a more elegant solution. I like those old fashioned cloth covered wires, if you know what I mean, ... they lay nice. Can't clean them though. And they are thick.

[ifjake]

i'm glad they appear to be sticking to the simplicity of a basic music player, none of that movie stuff. even a color screen seems superfluous, not to mention battery draining. good. people talking about movie capability and color touchscreens make the iPod sound too much like a PDA. i don't think that's such a good idea.

this info about the amplifiers (or maybe even the digital analog converters?) being top notch is news to me. and i aggree those are the parts where money and battery power is well spent. now i'm starting to formulate a strategy on how i'm going to use lossless audio throughout my library and balance capacity with quality, so i'm all for the rumored 60Gb drive. while sony is advertising 20,000 songs on their 20Gb player or something like that at some low crappy bit rate, apple is going for quality above all, in both software and hardware. thumbs up for apple. i haven't got an iPod yet but it's becoming more and more likely.

[crakly]

just found this on newsweek.com

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5456893/site/newsweek/

refers to the iPod being on the frontpage...

[mike412]

I am really curious what this is going to turn out to be. On the downside of things, it could just be a redesigned button/scroll wheel w/ no backlit buttons (like the mini) and a redesigned interface that is all in a slightly smaller package. But if Apple is smart they will put in a way better battery life, airtunes support, really cool backlit, an open iPod OS for other developers to add programs to it, and awesome new features that only Apple could think of. Then people could buy one with their really cool NEW iMac G5! :)

[narco]

I am really curious what this is going to turn out to be. On the downside of things, it could just be a redesigned button/scroll wheel w/ no backlit buttons (like the mini) and a redesigned interface that is all in a slightly smaller package. But if Apple is smart they will put in a way better battery life, airtunes support, really cool backlit, an open iPod OS for other developers to add programs to it, and awesome new features that only Apple could think of. Then people could buy one with their really cool NEW iMac G5! :)

I think the new click-wheel will have a backlight. I think that'd make the grey wheel look a lot cooler. Hopefully.

.narco

[mhouse]

Good call!

That is either a really really dark room with terrible shadows and a place that no self-respecting photographer would shoot in or... it's a purple iPod Mini! :eek:

Which means that the updates must be on their way...

Which SUCKS because the originals only become available outside the US next Friday!!! :o

[EDIT] It could also be one of the new 'coloured' 4g iPods, but given the aluminium finish and white scroll wheel, it probably is a Mini...

I actually think its just a pink mini in low light. The shade of the pink minis varies quite a bit.

[clonenode]

Currently there is no "Music" function on the iPod. Under "Extras" you can go to "Notes", "Contacts", etc., but having a specific reason for going to "Music" hints that there may be other media options to choose from.... say "Photos".

This is may be a software update, but a hardware change to the screen might aloow viewing of pictures (small) from iPhoto.

[Gherkin]

I can almost guarantee that if there is ever a wi-fi iPod, that it is going to be an add-on like the sound recorder. Considering only a small amount of iPod users would use the wi-fi capabilities, why make everyone pay for it?

Now for the people who actually do want wi-fi abilities, they'd rather have it just be built in. So it kinda sucks. Leaves Apple in a hard place.

[narco]

Reading some of these comments is like watching a newscaster cover breaking news. They try to make five minutes worth of news turn into an hour, which leads to tons of speculation. Some of you guys have a wild imagination!

Oh, but it is fun to speculate. Personally, just give me longer battery life; then I'll feel that I made the right decision by selling my 3g 40gig for a 4g 40gig.

.narco

[macridah]

:eek: what colour is the iPod mini in that photo?

I want that color! Is that a mini or the new 4G? That's want I've been wanting, I bigger iPod mini with at least 20GB and different colors!

crossing fingers .... I never really look forward to mondays, but this time I am.

[jimthorn]

I'm ready for a new iPod that holds more than the 20GB mine holds now. This is incredibly welcome news. I think we all saw the clickwheel coming in the 4G iPods. I wonder if there isn't Airport technology crammed into the little body that maybe the firmware will support some sort of "wireless module" that would plug into the docking port in a way similar to the iTrip (but on the bottom). This way it could interact with Airport Express. With the recent release of AE, Apple must have some plan for making these two hot products work together.

And is it me, or is the new iPod quite a bit smaller than the old one...? (shorter...?).

I hope these new iPods be part of the "Cram n Jam" educational promotion Apple has going on right now! (I'm assuming they will be).

[CubaTBird]

with the new ipod so thin, i don't see the battery life gettin any better. lol, i just bought my 15 gb two weeks ago. damn, shoulda waited.... :rolleyes:

[Freg3000]

:eek: what colour is the iPod mini in that photo?

Looks like pink the poor lighting.

[rock6079]

stagmeister: you should give everyone a copy of that script and everyone put in a different range of numbers, we could have the artivcle in to time. haha,

anywase on another, and somewat funny not, i dont think anyone has commenter on the battery icon in the top corner of the newsweek cover. in the high res it looks to me like it isnt full, which i find funny and quite ironic becuase most people are hoping for more battery life, that ontop of the fact that one person mentioned shuffle songs was on there becuase it uses up more battery life and was a clever way to clue that there is infact improved battery life

and finally, for those of you who have been commenting about that fact that the only things in the main menu are music, shuffle, backlight extras and such and the fact that there doesnt seem to be any line in or video out or ne thing like that, remmeber that it is most likely their objective to show very little of the ipods new features on the cover sas to get u to need to buy and read the magazine and the article, this they dont show u the dimensions on the cover, nor the top bottom or back ofthe ipod for colour or inputes, and it appears to have the bear minimum in terms of the menu items on the menu so that people dont know what is on the new ipod untill they see the article.

anywase, cant wait to see the features and buy one

just my 2 cents

[jimsowden]

They would never change the mini, since they can't produce the ones they have already sold. The have no reason. Damn, first on the 7th page too.

[whyrichard]

the idea of a wireless ipod is great, but exactly what would it do wirelessly?


i doubt it would actually trasmit song information, such a thing would probably drain battery life if it not only had to playback but transmit.


rather, it makes sense to me that a wireless ipod would only transmit control imputs to the ipod's main computer, and the main computer would transmit visual information to the ipod. the harddrive in wireless mode would not function.

so in essense, a wireless ipod would just be a radio remote control. works with airtunes.



makes sense to me!


r.

[ericdano]

do you all really think that if the iPod is smaller, that they could cram a wireless antenna into the iPod and allow to broadcast over Airtunes?

No, but what about instead of having to use the DOCK, you could use an Airport Express to link up your iPod?

[MattG]

I can almost guarantee that if there is ever a wi-fi iPod, that it is going to be an add-on like the sound recorder. Considering only a small amount of iPod users would use the wi-fi capabilities, why make everyone pay for it?

Now for the people who actually do want wi-fi abilities, they'd rather have it just be built in. So it kinda sucks. Leaves Apple in a hard place.Well if it is, I hope it's a SMALL add on, nothing huge like that add-on they came up with for digital camera memory cards. I want this thing to be small enough to stick in my pocket and carry around the house, controlling my music wirelessly.

[Arnel]

Has no one realised this: since the menu buttons need to light up somehow when the backlight is on, maybe the whole wheel glows green or orange.

That would like some kind of awesome.

However, the backlight is on in the cover picture, and the buttons or wheel aren't lit.

The "MUSIC" menu entry intrigues me as well. Before they never had to specifically name the library "music" as it was the only library there. Now maybe they're paving the way for a number of different libraries? Or maybe it will just separate out audiobooks or something.

Neil.
a.k.a. Arnel

[jimsowden]

They should imcorperate both airtunes compatability and some sort of bluetooth capability. Wouldn't it be cool to sync wirelessly via IEEE 802.15.3 to our macs and play it in our BMW with it still in our pocket with perfect sound and control it with the wheel? That would be hot. Get working on it Jobs!

[stagmeister]

stagmeister: you should give everyone a copy of that script and everyone put in a different range of numbers, we could have the artivcle in to time. haha,

Not a bad idea! It's not like I'm going to make money off of it, so here goes... This is it, it's a php script:

<?php
ini_set('max_execution_time', 2400);
$number = 5456893;
$checked = 0;
for ($i = 0; $i < 1000; $i++)
{
$file = 'http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/'.($number+$i).'/site/newsweek/';
echo ($checked++);
$html = implode("\n", file($file));
if (preg_match('/ipod/i', $html))
{
echo "<br />".$file."<br />";
}
}

?>

just set the $number variable to whatever you want it to search... if you put in say 5000 it will search from 5000 to 5999.

[rock6079]

hmm maybe there is no remote on the cover because now its a wireless remote, no need to have it plugged in w/ the headphones

[CubaTBird]

hey for use 3g owners, would we possibly get a software update that gives us the stuff thats in the 4g, er no? hope so... :rolleyes:

[rock6079]

Not a bad idea! It's not like I'm going to make money off of it, so here goes... This is it, it's a php script:

<?php
ini_set('max_execution_time', 2400);
$number = 5456893;
$checked = 0;
for ($i = 0; $i < 1000; $i++)
{
$file = 'http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/'.($number+$i).'/site/newsweek/';
echo ($checked++);
$html = implode("\n", file($file));
if (preg_match('/ipod/i', $html))
{
echo "<br />".$file."<br />";
}
}

?>

just set the $number variable to whatever you want it to search... if you put in say 5000 it will search from 5000 to 5999.


good man

but in an attempt not to sound like an idiot, how do i run such a script...

[CanuckGold_2002]

So...this all begs the question - what happens to the "Cram and Jam" deal? Do y'all think the $200 off an ipod will extend to the 4g ipods (because then they'd have to 1) ammend the ad, 2) shift the order date to past 25/09 or 3) name it something else)?

[Freg3000]

good man

but in an attempt not to sound like an idiot, how do i run such a script...

Yes, please educate my feeble mind. :)

What do I do with that thing?

[kainjow]

I'm thinking that there HAS to be a new major feature besides resesigned buttons/navigation. It's been too long since the last update for just small changes. Hopefully iPod firmware v3.0 :)

[SFNE Freak]

good man

but in an attempt not to sound like an idiot, how do i run such a script...
You will need a server with PHP enabled.

If you have a website, chances are it already has PHP and you just need to upload and run it.

However, if you'd like, you can install PHP locally and run it through the Apache built into OS X. Easy install of PHP available here (http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/php/).

[Warbrain]

No, but what about instead of having to use the DOCK, you could use an Airport Express to link up your iPod?

They should imcorperate both airtunes compatability and some sort of bluetooth capability. Wouldn't it be cool to sync wirelessly via IEEE 802.15.3 to our macs and play it in our BMW with it still in our pocket with perfect sound and control it with the wheel? That would be hot. Get working on it Jobs!

too bad that all of this would be slow as all hell and it would be pointless to add on all this crap to what is mean to be a simple music playing device. that's what it is and that's what it will be.

[AppleMatt]

My comment on Jobs being angry. I stand by it :)
Do any of the "oldies" remember when ATi did a similar blunder, it didn't really affect Apple greatly but Jobs hit the roof when they announced it before he did. It's more about the principle than hard figures. The argument as for only a few people see rumor sites etc etc, yes I use that one too. But that fact doesn't stop Apple legal. Realistically, if this magazine is meant to come out on Sundays (I'm in UK), there's a good chance Jobs has "approved" the forward announcement, as I doubt Apple will announce a product on a Sunday.

:eek:My next controversial comment (ohh!)...
...the Tuesday after next will be a big software update day. We will see AirPort 4.0, an iPod firmware update and a 10.3.5 update. If we don't see these I reserve the right to edit this post and deny all knowledge I ever made this prediction :D

AppleMatt

[reelmagik]

Has anyone else thought that maybe the reason the scroll wheel looks grayish and sort of strange is that maybe the whole wheel is backlit? It is possible and would make sense. If you notice in the other pictures posted of the iPod from the article, the scroll wheel looks white, because the backlight is not on. I think it was just also badly photoshopped.

[webplummer]

I actually think its just a pink mini in low light. The shade of the pink minis varies quite a bit.

It's a Getty editorial stock (http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/CFW/details_Pop.aspx?iid=2848061) image. Pink mini in bad light at it's introduction.

[Warbrain]

all of this talk about software updates and firmware updates makes me want to check software update right now...

and nothing for me to update. yay!

[stagmeister]

You will need a server with PHP enabled.

If you have a website, chances are it already has PHP and you just need to upload and run it.

However, if you'd like, you can install PHP locally and run it through the Apache built into OS X. Easy install of PHP available here (http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/php/).

Yes however realize that this script uses a lot of bandwith... basically the way it works is that it downloads each and every page and searches for "ipod" (case insensitive). If it finds it in the page then it prints out the url of the page, presumably this page includes the word "ipod" and so deals somehow with ipods...

[OziMac]

So...this all begs the question - what happens to the "Cram and Jam" deal? Do y'all think the $200 off an ipod will extend to the 4g ipods (because then they'd have to 1) ammend the ad, 2) shift the order date to past 25/09 or 3) name it something else)?

Nope. I haven't read them myself, but others have and they refer only to the specific iPod models in stock at the moment (not including the Mini). You'd think the very reason they have ads like this is to clear inventory of old stock.

[zyuzin4]

I'm thinking that there HAS to be a new major feature besides resesigned buttons/navigation. It's been too long since the last update for just small changes. Hopefully iPod firmware v3.0 :)

Agreed...people were making the comparison 1G:2G::3G:4G While this seems like it could be true, the time between 2G and 3G was 9 months. It has been 15 months since 3G was introduced. Time for some new software or feature update

[Warbrain]

Agreed...people were making the comparison 1G:2G::3G:4G While this seems like it could be true, the time between 2G and 3G was 9 months. It has been 15 months since 3G was introduced. Time for some new software or feature update

but you also have to remember that in that time, apple was working on the mini. so that took up a bit of time.

[dguisinger]

Has anyone else thought that maybe the reason the scroll wheel looks grayish and sort of strange is that maybe the whole wheel is backlit? It is possible and would make sense. If you notice in the other pictures posted of the iPod from the article, the scroll wheel looks white, because the backlight is not on. I think it was just also badly photoshopped.

Either that or MAYBE we are seeing backlit menu buttons. What if they threw white LEDs in for backlighting.... yes they are expensive, but so were blue LEDs when Apple did the XServe. If they are backlit as white, they would look really dark when not backlit.

Just a thought.

[SWC]

This better be a major revision or I'll be very upset after selling my iPod on eBay.

Maybe you should have verified that it was worth selling it before selling yours instead of complaining if it doesn't meet your standards.

[kainjow]

Yes, please educate my feeble mind. :)

What do I do with that thing?
On Panther, save the PHP script into a text file somewhere with the extension .php. Then open terminal, and run this:
php <path to php file>

So if it was on your desktop saved as ipod.php you'd enter:
php ~/Desktop/ipod.php

Or upload it to a website and run it from there, or redo it in Perl for fun!!!:

#!/usr/bin/perl
$number = 5456893;
$checked = 0;
for ($i = 0; $i < 1000; $i++)
{
$file = 'http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/'.($number+$i).'/site/newsweek/';
print $checked++;
$html = `curl '$file'`;
if ($html =~ m/'\/ipod\/i'/)
{
print "<br>" . $file . "<br>";
}
}
:D

[Warbrain]

if the buttons on the scroll wheel aren't backlit, then that's just a huge step back for apple as the 3Gen. were backlit...

[joeboy_45101]

My comment on Jobs being angry. I stand by it :)
Do any of the "oldies" remember when ATi did a similar blunder, it didn't really affect Apple greatly but Jobs hit the roof when they announced it before he did. It's more about the principle than hard figures. The argument as for only a few people see rumor sites etc etc, yes I use that one too. But that fact doesn't stop Apple legal. Realistically, if this magazine is meant to come out on Sundays (I'm in UK), there's a good chance Jobs has "approved" the forward announcement, as I doubt Apple will announce a product on a Sunday.

:eek:My next controversial comment (ohh!)...
...the Tuesday after next will be a big software update day. We will see AirPort 4.0, an iPod firmware update and a 10.3.5 update. If we don't see these I reserve the right to edit this post and deny all knowledge I ever made this prediction :D

AppleMatt

I don't understand why Steve would be crazy angry. This is great, look how far Apple as a company has come. People are thinking about Apple, people are talking about Apple, and that's nothing to be angry about. I can see why a few years ago if this happened Steve would be upset, the company had a lot at stake. This type of secrecy is no longer neccessary, Apple needs to come out of the shadows and start hogging more of the spotlight.

The only thing that I'm angry about is the fact that I just bought an 15GB iPod to replace my 2Gen. 5GB, but I like my new one so things are cool. I hope they update the iPod software, there are some weird things in 2.2.

[funkywhat2]

Is it just me, or is the back not sliver any more? On the current one, the sides are partially silver, and you'd notice it at such a slight angle, whereas that's not the case here.

Also, I agree with a previous poster on the entire wheel being backlit, in a blueish color, hence the purple wheel.

[snahabed]

if the buttons on the scroll wheel aren't backlit, then that's just a huge step back for apple as the 3Gen. were backlit...

I disagree. A major benefit of the clickwheel is that you don't need to read buttons to know what they do.. it is all intuitive just from touching. OK, well except the difference between menu and play, but you learn that and you're all set! :)

[Freg3000]

On Panther, save the PHP script into a text file somewhere with the extension .php. Then open terminal, and run this:

So if it was on your desktop saved as ipod.php you'd enter:
php ~/Desktop/ipod.php

:D

I got this error after putting that in terminal (the file was named ipod.php)

-bash: /Users/freg3000/Desktop/ipod.php: No such file or directory

[shecky]

well.... i will wait until the offical announcement, but looks like its about time to "accidentally" break my 3G 20GB iPod and take advantage of my grandfathered CompUSA replacement plan - just have to wait until the 3G iPods are sold out of the channel then 4G, here i come.

and is it just me or does Steve look a bit..... i dunno... helter-skelter in those pics?

[OziMac]

well.... i will wait until the offical announcement, but looks like its about time to "accidentally" break my 3G 20GB iPod and take advantage of my grandfathered CompUSA replacement plan - just have to wait until the 3G iPods are sold out of the channel then 4G, here i come.

and is it just me or does Steve look a bit..... i dunno... helter-skelter in those pics?

lol What do you mean?

Iif you mean in a 'Beatles' way, then I'm sure he'd be delighted! ;)

[rog]

I think it's a fake. A good fake, but clearly fake.

[kainjow]

I got this error after putting that in terminal (the file was named ipod.php)

-bash: /Users/freg3000/Desktop/ipod.php: No such file or directory
Double check and make sure that file exists and is on your Desktop and is named "ipod.php" (no extra spaces).

[alexhp03]

For some reason I think the specs are gonna be really good and they might be even cheaper than they were before. The only thing that I hate about them is that they have a GRAY clickwheel. I don't like the gray or aluminum with the white eventhough it may match my PowerBook. It would also be cool if it was a touchwheel instead of a clickwheel since the touching is even better. Also, the clickwheel/touchwheel looks raised and I think it should look all flat. Also, I hope it doesn't have the chromed faceplate since it can get scartched or get fingerprints on it and I hate using cases unless I'm traveling. I'm sorta dissapointed on the new look, but I think I need more pictures and know the specs before I can really judge it.

- Alex D.P.

[kainjow]

I think it's a fake. A good fake, but clearly fake.
Same reasons why the leaked Tiger screenshots were fake too? :p

[MattG]

I think it's a fake. A good fake, but clearly fake.What reason would they have for doing that??

[Gherkin]

Is it just me, or is the back not sliver any more? On the current one, the sides are partially silver, and you'd notice it at such a slight angle, whereas that's not the case here.

Also, I agree with a previous poster on the entire wheel being backlit, in a blueish color, hence the purple wheel.

I totally agree, something looks sorta off about it, sort of like there is no more silver back. I would welcome this change, as the back just gets too easily scratched up. I think white all around would look pretty sleek.

[OziMac]

I think it's a fake. A good fake, but clearly fake.

Fair enough, if you think so, but exactly what makes you come to that conclusion? :)

A lot of people here think otherwise, based on the evidence we've gotten from ThinkSecret and the fact that this is on Newsweek and MSN's server and there is a lot of supplementary material (including small content pieces) supporting the fact that Newsweek is running a story on the new iPod... so it would be good to hear why you think it is a fake, given all this stuff...

[shecky]

I think it's a fake. A good fake, but clearly fake.

i'll bet you a new, 4G iPod that you are wrong.

and i mean those pix of Steve - he looks... like... psycho...

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/040726_issue/040717_Ipod152.jpg "REDRUM.....REDRUM...................DOPI.........DOPI.........."

[joeboy_45101]

Taking a closer look, it seems that there's going to be a complete remake of the interface, look now you have a "Music" menu and a "Shuffle Song" setting. I've been waiting for a better way to have the iPod shuffle songs without the hassle of going through the settings.

[FlamDrag]

If you think that the iPod will have built-in wireless support anytime soon... you're beyond delusional.

AirTunes support will be through a peripheral device. It's the Apple way. I don't think it's impossible that this will happen soon though.

I really hope that this iPod has something new about it. I'll still wait until I can preview and store images directly from a digital camera on it. That's what I want. It may never happen, but I can dream.

[Freg3000]

Double check and make sure that file exists and is on your Desktop and is named "ipod.php" (no extra spaces).

Ok I got it, (I think). Does it just count up?

[macfan76]

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/040726_issue/040717_Ipod152.jpg
"My iPod brings all the competitors to the yard and there like its better than yours, damn right its better than yours." lalalalala.... :)
Thanks Steve, cant wait for the 4th gen Ipods on <crosses fingers> on Monday.. First time iPod owner. yay. On flaw, I thought this one was going to have a color screen and maybe an improved interface. But that would probably boost up the price... I'm glad this one is going to be cheaper, hopefully.

[sinbushar]

did anybody notice the poll on the newsweek frontpage?

Has the iPod changed the way you listen to music?

-Yes
-No
-I don't own an iPod

hurrah!!!

-adel

[macridah]

Here's another pic

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/040726_issue/040717_IpodNew_vl.standard.jpg

not sure anyone posted this already ... couldn't read all the nearly 200 post.

This pic is a better shot of just the iPod.

[FlamDrag]

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/040726_issue/040717_IpodNew_vl.standard.jpg

I don't remember seeing this one posted yet.

[macridah]

Here's the other pic. Better than the hyperlink I previously posted.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/040726_issue/040717_IpodNew_vl.standard.jpg

[OziMac]

Thanks guys, you know what they say about great or small minds ;)

Both those pics have already been posted, albeit on the other thread at http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=938913#post938913

Keep up the sleuthing though...!

[farang]

hmmmm....what if my 3G iPod with Applecare suddenly stops working? ;)

[Duff-Man]

hmmmm....what if my 3G iPod with Applecare suddenly stops working? ;)Duff-Man says...then they will fix it or send you a refurb 3G as replacement probably....oh yeah!

[Coca-Cola]

White iBook, White eMac, White iPod =White new iMac?

[newamiga]

Don't know if anyne else had seen this but here it is
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5457432/site/newsweek/ :)

[jimsowden]

Here's another pic

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/040726_issue/040717_IpodNew_vl.standard.jpg

not sure anyone posted this already ... couldn't read all the nearly 200 post.

This pic is a better shot of just the iPod.
Yeah, it was posted in another forum (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=80202&page=8&pp=25).

[Freg3000]

Here are rumored specs and prices from MacDailyNews:

Apple 4G iPod 20 GB - 5,000 Songs:
- Apple Earphones
- AC Adapter
- FireWire cable
- PC FireWire adapter
Retail price: US$249.00

Apple 4G iPod 40 GB - 10,000 Songs:
- Apple Earphones
- AC Adapter
- FireWire cable
- PC FireWire adapter
- Wired remote
- Carrying case with belt clip
- iPod Dock
Retail price: US$349.00

Apple 4G iPod 60 GB - 15,000 Songs:
- Apple Earphones
- AC Adapter
- FireWire cable
- PC FireWire adapter
- Wired remote
- Carrying case with belt clip
- iPod Dock
Retail price: US$449.00

Er.......iPod mini prices? Maybe no change, since demand is so high.

$249 for 4 GB or $249 for 20 GB, 5x more! I understand why this can be, but do you all remember that thread right after MWSF '04 with everyone screaming about how for only $50 more.....:D

[newamiga]

Don't know if anyne else had seen this but here it is
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5457432/site/newsweek/ :)

FYI if you read this you will fnd no details on the new iPod.. simply a discussion of the history of the iPod :(

[Multimedia]

Exactly As I Expected As Soon As I Saw The iPod-Mini Interface. I immediately said "this will be the interface of the next regular iPod." It is the ultimate interface and worth waiting for. Whoopie!

[OziMac]

Don't know if anyne else had seen this but here it is
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5457432/site/newsweek/ :)

Newamiga - you DA MAN!!!

[Freg3000]

FYI if you read this you will fnd no details on the new iPod.. simply a discussion of the history of the iPod :(

Since this is article that will appear in the issue itself, what are we to make of this:

Music hits people's emotions, and the purchase of something that opens up one's entire music collection—up to 10,000 songs in your pocket—makes for an intense relationship.

10,000? Higher capacities up to 60GB would be 15,000, no?

Surely the article would have up to date specs with the new models....

[newamiga]

Newamiga - you DA MAN!!!
Maybe this is why there is not a huge issue with the new picture coming out.. there arent't any details in the article..

[OziMac]

FYI if you read this you will fnd no details on the new iPod.. simply a discussion of the history of the iPod :(

No details, but there is a reference to it on page 3.

[Foxer]

How is it that Newsweek can break the story about new iPods before anyone else (granted, it was obviously given to them) but the monthly Apple magazines are always three months or so behind the curve. Whatever comes out on Monday, we won't read about it in MacWorld until well into the college football season.


ps. I know that it's the nature of the publishing industry, but come on...

[FasterSoonerNow]

Did the article just disappear/get taken down?

[Some_Big_Spoon]

Can I check my e-mail on it? No? *yawn*

[newamiga]

Did the article just disappear/get taken down?
I still show it there at that same link

[Duff-Man]

Here are rumored specs and prices from MacDailyNews:

Apple 4G iPod 20 GB - 5,000 Songs:
Retail price: US$249.00

Apple 4G iPod 40 GB - 10,000 Songs:
Retail price: US$349.00

Apple 4G iPod 60 GB - 15,000 Songs:
Retail price: US$449.00Duff-Man says...if those are true...as soon as we hear about the ever important battery factor, and if that is up to spec too, then I won't hesitate to order the mid model...which should come in at about $480cdn (including the $25 your-a-pirate tax)....oh yeah!

[mhouse]

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/040726_issue/040717_Ipod152.jpg
"I'm Steve Jobs, bitch! Enjoy yourself!"

[Porchland]

wonder how long till apple gets pissed at the magazine and makes them take it down...

Um, doesn't look to me like they ambushed Steve Jobs with a camera and just happened to catch him with the new iPod. Dude, think about it.

[ITR 81]

Er.......iPod mini prices? Maybe no change, since demand is so high.

$249 for 4 GB or $249 for 20 GB, 5x more! I understand why this can be, but do you all remember that thread right after MWSF '04 with everyone screaming about how for only $50 more.....:D

Maybe they plan on discounting them soon or maybe they plan on upgrading the HD's soon...

But for some folks size is everything. I mean look how much those small sony notebooks cost over in Japan..they are selling for around $3k if not over.

[MacUser1]

...like a Horschack ink blot.
i think you mean rorschach ink blot :p ;)

back on topic, i think the new iPods look great. we'll hopefully get greater battery life and perhaps another apple innovation into the iPod. even if it may not be able to stream music (maybe it will be able to) people will still want one. although i think i'll keep my 3G iPod for many years to come. :)

[Duff-Man]

How is it that Newsweek can break the story about new iPods before anyone else (granted, it was obviously given to them) but the monthly Apple magazines are always three months or so behind the curve. Whatever comes out on Monday, we won't read about it in MacWorld until well into the college football season.


ps. I know that it's the nature of the publishing industry, but come on...Duff-Man says...completely different schedule for a monthly than for a high-volume weekly like Newsweek or Time. And who is to say when this article was actually written - obviously Apple has been working on new iPods for a while - Steve didn't just pull one out of his hat this week for a Newsweek article...could have been written weeks ago with early pre-production model used for the pictures...oh yeah!

[Vertigo_br]

If prices do drop as rumored ($249 for a 20GB 4g), how long 'til we see this price reflected on the current models. Do the Apple Stores keep selling 3gs at lower prices?

And if this is correct, should we expect the iPod mini's price to drop too?

Just wondering 'cause i'll be in the US in the next week and would love to get a cheeper price on a pod (4g won't come out to the shelves for what, a month or two?)

[Nykwil]

anyone think maybe the click wheel could be aluminum and still have backlit letters ie visa vi powerbook keyboards?

the clickwheel kinda looks aluminum which could support the idea that thinksecret said the clickwheel will be different colors???

[OziMac]

i think you mean rorschach ink blot :p ;)


Lmao - I think you're absolutely right :)

[ITR 81]

How is it that Newsweek can break the story about new iPods before anyone else (granted, it was obviously given to them) but the monthly Apple magazines are always three months or so behind the curve. Whatever comes out on Monday, we won't read about it in MacWorld until well into the college football season.


ps. I know that it's the nature of the publishing industry, but come on...

Well you could release it in MacWorld but then only the Mac people will see it and not the rest of the PC world.

Newsweek has more mass public appeal then some computer mag.

I'm sure MacAddict will cover it..(not in the upcoming issue but the very next months issue)

[Foxer]

Er.......iPod mini prices? Maybe no change, since demand is so high.

$249 for 4 GB or $249 for 20 GB, 5x more!

Well, you can buy a loaded Focus for the same price as a stripped down Taurus. Some people just want the Mini. I tried and tried to explain to my wife that she could have a 15Gb regular ipod for about the same price, or a old 1st Gen 5GB from eBay for half the price but she just wanted the "cute one."
I guess if everyone thought the same way, the world would be a pretty boring place.

[Duff-Man]

Just wondering 'cause i'll be in the US in the next week and would love to get a cheeper price on a pod (4g won't come out to the shelves for what, a month or two?)Duff-Man says....supplies on the now "old" pods seem to be very very low according to some reports (I went to apple Canada store and it listed 5-7 days for shipment...hmmm) so I get the feeling that the new ones, except perhaps the 60GB, will be shipping immediately. any stock of the old ones that's out there may get reduced in price a bit but they usually get sucked up pretty fast if the deal is good...oh yeah!

[broken_keyboard]

I hope all these iPod fans in New York buy a Mac for their next computer.
10% here we come!!

[Foxer]

Well you could release it in MacWorld but then only the Mac people will see it and not the rest of the PC world.

Newsweek has more mass public appeal then some computer mag.

I'm sure MacAddict will cover it..(not in the upcoming issue but the very next months issue)

I completetly understand why this is in Newsweek. My point was simply the irony of Mac magazines (World and Addict) being months behind a general interest magazine on a big Mac development.

[Nykwil]

aluminum clickwheel anyone?

[Freg3000]

Well, you can buy a loaded Focus for the same price as a stripped down Taurus. Some people just want the Mini. I tried and tried to explain to my wife that she could have a 15Gb regular ipod for about the same price, or a old 1st Gen 5GB from eBay for half the price but she just wanted the "cute one."
I guess if everyone thought the same way, the world would be a pretty boring place.

Yep, I was not one of those people who were going crazy about the pricing of the iPod mini after MWSF. I thought it was too high, but I never made the seemingly rational argument that "for only a little more." Consumers often don't buy things because you could have a lot more stuff for a little more money (or if the rumor is true-the same money) but, well, because they're cute. :D

[rapps]

Good thing my 15GB is on ebay! I better get the payment from the winner b/f he finds out that the new ones are out!!

Hopefully the cram jam deal will work too....all it restricts is the mini's. I'm sure we could fight this if it came to it.

[Vertigo_br]

Duff-Man says....supplies on the now "old" pods seem to be very very low according to some reports (I went to apple Canada store and it listed 5-7 days for shipment...hmmm) so I get the feeling that the new ones, except perhaps the 60GB, will be shipping immediately. any stock of the old ones that's out there may get reduced in price a bit but they usually get sucked up pretty fast if the deal is good...oh yeah!

Well that would be nice, but AppleStore US states 3-5 bus days (and that's normal shipping time, isn't it?). I sure will be happy if I can get a 4g ASAP.

btw, could anyone in the Chicago area tell me how to get from O'Hare Airport to the nearest Apple Store and back (and how long it would take)?

[]'s

[OziMac]

Hmm, I can't help but think that they would still price the 20GB differently to the Mini - maybe $299 for the 20GB, $349 for the 40GB and $449 for the 60GB? This is still a $100 drop for the 20GB and a $150 drop for the 40GB giving at least some incrementation to the price levels between the lines...

[savar]

hopefully... Music>Airtunes. !!! please?

I imagine that "Music" is simply a simplification of the actual interface so that people who've not seen an iPod up close figure out what its doing. They had to photoshop the iPod screen in anyway (according to other posters who know more about that than I do), so why not simplify the menu at the same time? "Browse" and "Playlists" at the top might not make as much sense to the uninitiated.

Secondly, wireless is not coming to the iPod for quite a while. WiFi and Bluetooth would drive the cost up at least $50 a unit while also dragging battery life *way* down. Plus, with the cradle option for attaching to a hi-fi system, wireless is a ridiculous luxury. What, you can't be troubled to walk over to your stereo? You gotta use the iPod like a remote control? I don't see that happening in the near future.

[sinbushar]

another story on the newsweek webpage, mostly just a sort of analysis of the iPod culture:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5457433/site/newsweek/

-adel

[Gherkin]

This part from the article is insane:

And couture maven Karl Lagerfeld's iPod collection is up to 60, coded in the back by laser etching so he can tell what's on them. "It's the way to store music," he says. Lagerfeld's tribute to the iPod is a $1,500 Fendi pink copper rectangular purse that holds 12 iPods.

[jimsowden]

Hmm, I can't help but think that they would still price the 20GB differently to the Mini - maybe $299 for the 20GB, $349 for the 40GB and $449 for the 60GB? This is still a $100 drop for the 20GB and a $150 drop for the 40GB giving at least some incrementation to the price levels between the lines...
I agree. People will think, well its only 50 more from the mini, and then its only 50 more to the 20. And each would then have a good market.

[Vertigo_br]

Bigger space on the mini would definitely be the best. But then again, Apple is already having trouble shipping current orders, imagine if a 10Gb mini came out...

[savar]

an open iPod OS for other developers to add programs to it

This actually is kind of a good idea. If Apple put secret hooks into the Palm's OS and then "accidentally" leaked them, then developers could start writing safe hacks for the iPod to help people get more out of them. (Like the calendar started out as a hack, right?) While most iPod users would never hear about this stuff -- and thus they are saved the complexity -- a new "cult of the iPod" would come about. Kind of like all the people that hack Xboxes or Tivos...

[you]

This page says "And the introduction of the new iPods this week extends the Apple's digital music dominance. "

Link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5456893/site/newsweek/)

[~Shard~]

Wow, this is really cool! I guess this isn't much of a rumor anymore then, is it? I'm really looking forward to Monday now! The updated form factor looks great, but I'm more interested to hear what other improvements have actuially been made in terms of functionality, battery life, etc. etc.

[jimsowden]

This page says "And the introduction of the new iPods this week extends the Apple's digital music dominance. "

Link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5456893/site/newsweek/)
Good work my man. It is confirmed. I can't wait. I'll be up at 1am Monday, perhaps placing an order, how many others?

[dongmin]

I imagine that "Music" is simply a simplification of the actual interface so that people who've not seen an iPod up close figure out what its doing. They had to photoshop the iPod screen in anyway (according to other posters who know more about that than I do), so why not simplify the menu at the same time? "Browse" and "Playlists" at the top might not make as much sense to the uninitiated.I can tell you, as a person who actually worked in the art department at Newsweek, they will NEVER change the content of an image, unless it's clear that the image is a photo-collage or an illustration. They will do a lot of retouching to make sure the image prints well, but in no way will they change the content.

I think it's safe to assume that there will be a firmware update. However, I don't think it'll be anything radical (like wireless). Otherwise, it'd be evident in the cover image or in the article.

What we've learned from all this:

1. New click-wheel a la the Mini. I don't know why some people think it'll be backlighted, but from the cover image, it just looks like a silver wheel as in the silver mini.

2. New menu items --> new firmware. As others have speculated the "Music" menu item seem to suggest that the new iPod might handle other medial, e.g. photos, in addition to music.

3. The 60 gig Toshiba drives are supposed to go into production in July/August so it seems likely that Apple will up the top end to 60 gigs.

4. No wireless. This is just a guess on my part, but if Apple put in something as radical was wireless, it'd be called out on the cover or in the article.

[zakee00]

me, ive been waiting to buy one for some time....20 gb, here i come :D

[reorx]

I hope all these iPod fans in New York buy a Mac for their next computer.
10% here we come!!

Steve's "Switch Plan" worked for me:

First: I downloaded iTunes for my Windows XP machine, so I could have a fast, classy, uncluttered way to organize my music collection for burning MP3 CDs to bring to work..

Second: a policy change at my employer locked down using any other software for playing music on their machines to Windows Media Player, using a really absurd-looking theme... Time for a portable player: enter 3G 20G iPod! :)

Third: After being so damn happy with my iPod, and in the market for a new machine, I purchase a 17" PowerBook. :D :D

Its been the best hardware/os purchase I've ever made...

[zyuzin4]

Good work my man. It is confirmed. I can't wait. I'll be up at 1am Monday, perhaps placing an order, how many others?

I have a 2G 10GB iPod. I am missing the ability to make on the go playlists. I have been wanting to order a new one and I will order a 4G if my sister will buy the 2G off of me for a brotherly discount. She has been saving up to get one. (see what you have done Apple!)

[Nykwil]

OMG when i connect my ipod into itunes it shows the 4th gen ipod icon.... :rolleyes:

was it a different icon b4 version 4.6?

[Gherkin]

Worked for me too.

Bought my iPod in December of 2002 which eventually lead to the purchase of my 15" Powerbook in June of 2004.