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Sayhey
Jul 18, 2004, 12:28 PM
I found this assessment by former weapons inspector David Kay to be amazing criticisms of the US and British leadership from an unexpected quarter.

... David Kay, the former head of the Iraq Survey Group, said the reports of the Butler Inquiry and the Senate Intelligence Committee in America, together painted a picture of a “broken” system for intelligence gathering and assessment.

“I think they are a scathing indictment,” he said in an interview for ITV1’s Jonathan Dimbleby programme.

“I think they are a picture of a broken system on both sides of the Atlantic, for collecting intelligence, for analysing it and finally for sending it forward to policy makers and to the public.

Mr Kay, who was hand-picked by the CIA to head the Iraq Survey Group, said that because US and UK policy on Iraq was based on WMD, analysts had been too ready to accept evidence that Iraq had banned weapons while being over-critical of evidence which suggested that they did not.

“What really happened for the analysts is they had two levels of evidence,” he said.

“Anything that would confirm WMD in Iraq – very little scrutiny. Anything that showed Iraq didn’t have weapons of mass destruction, had a much higher gate to pass because if it were true, all of US policy towards Iraq would have fallen asunder.

“I think what you have in both the Senate Report and in the Butler Commission Report is a disturbing merger of the lines between intelligence, whose real role was to speak truth to power, and power whose real role is to influence the public to do the course of action that they’ve decided upon.

“That line blurred and blurred on both sides of the Atlantic with regard to Iraq.”

He said that Mr Blair and Mr Bush should both have realised that the intelligence they were being presented with did not support the claims that Iraq actually had weapons.

“I think the Prime Minister as I would say the US President should have been able to tell before the war that the evidence did not exit for drawing the conclusion that Iraq presented a clear, present and imminent threat on the basis of existing weapons of mass destruction,” he said.

“That was not something that required a war and inspectors like myself going in if you’d fairly interpreted the evidence that existed.”

He said that the two leaders may not have been sufficiently critical of the intelligence because they had a “multitude” of other reasons for going to war....

Scotsman (http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3221103)



IJ Reilly
Jul 18, 2004, 01:32 PM
What I find so depressing about this is that few Americans will hear what David Kay has to say, and of course, even fewer will care. The Senate report provided Bush with a tremendous amount of cover. He can now blame the CIA for all of his own shortcomings and continue to respond to all questions about his judgment with the stock answer that he was going by what he was told by the intelligence community. The reality has been made far too subtle for most people to understand.

zimv20
Jul 18, 2004, 03:36 PM
What I find so depressing about this is that few Americans will hear what David Kay has to say, and of course, even fewer will care.
it's not like bush appointed him, after all

skunk
Jul 18, 2004, 07:30 PM
Why isn't someone taking some full-page ads to get this stuff over? Why isn't the press making more noise? Are they going to brown-nose Bush all the way to November?

Sayhey
Jul 18, 2004, 08:14 PM
Why isn't someone taking some full-page ads to get this stuff over? Why isn't the press making more noise? Are they going to brown-nose Bush all the way to November?

Part of the problem is much of the media has been afraid to take on Bush since 9/11. Of course, we also have more than our fair share of media owners who are in total agreement with Bush's approach, so why would they allow dissent. Don't mess with a good thing!

Many groups have tried to make more noise, but have been refused access for their message. I would give as examples the Moveon.org SuperBowl ad that CBS refused to run and the recent denial of a billboard ad in New York by Clear Channel. It is true in the latter case Clear Channel has been forced to allow a modified version, but the intent is the same. If these folks could figure a way to not run Kerry's ads, I wouldn't put it passed them to try and do so.

Neserk
Jul 18, 2004, 09:18 PM
Part of the problem is much of the media has been afraid to take on Bush since 9/11.

Very true. Not as bad as it was last spring when the war started, though. I think historians will look back on Bush's reign as a dark time.

What truly amazes me is how comfortable the media was roasting Clinton for his sexual misconduct but how hesitant they are with Bush. Perhaps because Clinton's misconduct was fairly mild. While the far reaching impact of Bush's misconduct is almost beyond comprehension. Sometimes it is easier to deal with the little things than the big things!

rastafari
Jul 19, 2004, 05:22 AM
Very true. Not as bad as it was last spring when the war started, though. I think historians will look back on Bush's reign as a dark time.

What truly amazes me is how comfortable the media was roasting Clinton for his sexual misconduct but how hesitant they are with Bush. Perhaps because Clinton's misconduct was fairly mild. While the far reaching impact of Bush's misconduct is almost beyond comprehension. Sometimes it is easier to deal with the little things versus the big things!

I would take clinton back in a sec. I would rather have infinite clinton rule over bush's 1 term in office so far.