Apple Introduces Magic Mouse - A Multi-Touch Mouse

[SmugMac]

bought it!

+1 Just ordered one myself, to replace my (now old) Bluetooth Mighty Mouse.

Magnificent device. Can't wait to use it. Great work Apple. :cool:

[SmugMac]

logic failure.

It's just a simple minded microsoft troll.

I bet he thumps his keyboard with his forehead to enter his windows password too. ;)

[SeattleMoose]

Good job Apple eliminating those scuzz collecting mouse balls!!!

I am gonna get one of these ASAP!!!!:D

A lot of great releases today, that Mac Mini server will be the perfect home media center for my music, photos, etc. The iMac gets the specs of a tower with a fine display...not in the market for one...but I wish I was!!!!!:apple:

Waiting for Microsoft to come out now with a "Zouse" or some lame imitiation....LOL!!!

[Mr. Giver '94]

Really glad I bought a wireless Mighty Mouse when I did.

This whole touch gesture thing is overrated and will get really frustrating really fast. It's fine for the iPhone but I want an actual mouse, not a laptop trackpad that won't work half the time.

[hobbbz]

Well I've ordered one but only because the stores don't seem to have them in yet. I suppose I'll be calling everyday to see if they have one and then canceling my order if they get it before I do.

[SmugMac]

ergonomic means to provide optimum comfort. you can shape it to a particular hand. just look at other brands that produce a right/left handed mice.

The symmetrical shape allows both hands, but is not optimal, since it has to fit both hands. The thumb just rests on the edge, instead of a shaped side, like most logitech mice. Plus the low profile design gives the user nothing to rest their hand on. I've tried using a mighty mouse and other smaller designed mice for an 8hr+ day. No way. IMHO, the larger, shaped mouse really makes a difference over a long day.

http://www.cosmo.md/images/products/1672.jpg

That reminds me of... Happy Feet... Penguins! :eek:

[NXTMIKE]

I am surprised that this mouse is lacking the other nice gesture features like "pinch open close" and four finger expose. I wonder if that can be update via software.

looks sweet though

fitting four fingers at once on that thing, and swiping??? Now that may be pushing it a bit too much.

[MissDoodah]

Hmmm, reading this thread, I"m wondering if I'm going to be mega disappointed? I ordered the mouse this morning (along with a new Mini and a remote...lol).

I'm addicted to the Wacom mouse that comes with Graphire tablets (now called Bamboo I think...I'm on Graphire 4, and it's my third one). It's so light because it uses no batteries.

I probably should have read the description a little more this morning, but I was caught up in the fever. How close is this mouse to a trackpad? The reason I don't use my laptop very much is I HATE the trackpad (plus tiny keyboard..I have very long fingers)

Now I'm going back and forth wondering if I should cancel the mouse part of my order before it ships. Thoughts?

[acurafan]

seeing the videos i don't like this mouse already. apple - please make a 3"x5" (or 4"x7") post-it sized Magic pad w/multi-touch, i rather have that instead!!

[SmugMac]

Hmmm, reading this thread, I"m wondering if I'm going to be mega disappointed? I ordered the mouse this morning (along with a new Mini and a remote...lol).

I'm addicted to the Wacom mouse that comes with Graphire tablets (now called Bamboo I think...I'm on Graphire 4, and it's my third one). It's so light because it uses no batteries.

I probably should have read the description a little more this morning, but I was caught up in the fever. How close is this mouse to a trackpad? The reason I don't use my laptop very much is I HATE the trackpad (plus tiny keyboard..I have very long fingers)

Now I'm going back and forth wondering if I should cancel the mouse part of my order before it ships. Thoughts?

Forums such as this are the worst place to look after a new product release. So many sad emo's posting negative comments, for the sake of earning notoriety.

I ordered one too. Enjoy it and clear your mind of the negative stuff you may read here. ;)

[jedijoe]

Again, have you actually held this mouse? No? Then shut up and quit whining.:rolleyes:

by that logic, have you held the mouse? how do you its any better either? What is even your basis for argument? I am at least stating previous model experience. Based off the photos and previous mighty mouse design, I think I can formulate a reasonable impression. This isn't rocket science.

I'll just chalk you up for a retarded forum post award :p

[DougB541]

by that logic, have you held the mouse? how do you its any better either? What is even your basis for argument? I am at least stating previous model experience. Based off the photos and previous mighty mouse design, I think I can formulate a reasonable impression. This isn't rocket science.

I'll just chalk you up for a retarded forum post award :p

plus ****** 1.

[str1f3]

Its funny how Apple has managed to produce kick ass systems but never ever a decent mouse. Honestly how hard is it to make a good mouse... Its not like there isn't examples around. Hell, the problem is in Apple's DNA which sees anything other then one button unholy aka admitting that Gates got one thing right. I don't know what it takes for Apple to realize that users just want kicks ass ergonomics and excellent customization options with many buttons.

Everything you stated is solely from a your own point of view and that is your right. If it is ergonomic for righties, then lefties like me can't use it. As for two buttons, I got used to it very quick and can still kick ass in FPS with a Mighty Mouse. Lastly, it is only gamers that complain about more buttons. I would only agree to the point that Exposè is now gone and I wish it supported more gestures. The latter can be fixed in a software update.

I personally can't wait til this comes out within the next two weeks.

[inkswamp]

I am surprised that this mouse is lacking the other nice gesture features like "pinch open close" and four finger expose. I wonder if that can be update via software.

True, but that's the great part of using software to achieve these effects rather than hardware--Apple can eventually program that feature into the mouse.

[Phrasikleia]

So disappointing. Why couldn't they have come out with a peripheral trackpad of sorts, complete with some way to trigger Dashboard and Expose? :confused: Also, I was really hoping for some kind of pinch-to-zoom/rotate feature. I'll stick with my Logitech mouse.

[DougB541]

From the Gizmodo hands on:
There was a small thing I noticed, though: the mouse would sometimes move when I tried to scroll — I can maybe get used to this, but it was a thing that happened to me and my presenter who definitely had more time with the mouse. The other reason why Apple went with fewer fingers for swipe and scroll gestures, besides the issue of pointing already being taken care of by the mouse's table action, was because you need your ring finger to hold the mouse properly or the thing slides on your desk.

I'm sure its fine for a default mouse...but seriously..give me a Razer/Logitech and even an MS high end mouse over this.

To add, here is a small example:
http://www.techshout.com/images/guildwars-razer-mouse.jpg

having the two buttons near the thumb to me seems like a smarter/easier idea than adding a multi-touch sensor. You have to move your hand a lot more the multi touch way. I legit just need to bring my thumb slighty up while still having full control over what my mouse is doing at the moment.

Again, its a fine default mouse, but def. wouldn't order this if it didn't' come with my computer.

[Stuipdboy1000]

On a side note, 10.6.2 must be coming pretty soon, as the Magic Mouse manual refers to downloading it in order to use it.

[PDE]

True, but that's the great part of using software to achieve these effects rather than hardware--Apple can eventually program that feature into the mouse.

I don't think pinching will be be good on such a small surface. It'll be just like t was on the previous generation macbook pros: workable but definitely not optimal.

They tried to make it both a regular mouse and a multitouch pad and ergonomically they don't really go together.

[Compile 'em all]

by that logic, have you held the mouse? how do you its any better either? What is even your basis for argument? I am at least stating previous model experience. Based off the photos and previous mighty mouse design, I think I can formulate a reasonable impression. This isn't rocket science.


Your post is self-contradicting. You first state that he didn't use one himself then you state that you are basing your impression based on "photos".

You fail.

[MissDoodah]

Forums such as this are the worst place to look after a new product release. So many sad emo's posting negative comments, for the sake of earning notoriety.

I ordered one too. Enjoy it and clear your mind of the negative stuff you may read here. ;)

Yanno, you're absolutely right. Several years ago when I ordered my first Graphire Tablet, I was aggravated that it came with a mouse. I already had one, didn't need another. And I tried it and fell in love.

The very same could happen with this one if I give it a chance. And it sure LOOKS cool, doesn't it?

Thank you. :)

[DougB541]

Yanno, you're absolutely right. Several years ago when I ordered my first Graphire Tablet, I was aggravated that it came with a mouse. I already had one, didn't need another. And I tried it and fell in love.

The very same could happen with this one if I give it a chance. And it sure LOOKS cool, doesn't it?

Thank you. :)

I'll agree it looks cool.

[NT1440]

by that logic, have you held the mouse? how do you its any better either? What is even your basis for argument? I am at least stating previous model experience. Based off the photos and previous mighty mouse design, I think I can formulate a reasonable impression. This isn't rocket science.

I'll just chalk you up for a retarded forum post award :p

My logic is, I try it before I proclaim something about it that you can only FEEL, like ergonomics. What the **** does a previous model have anything to do with it, seeing as they aren't the same shape. But yea, I guess not jumping to conclusions one way or the other is just retarded :rolleyes:

[inkswamp]

So is this really the first multi-touch mouse?

How could that possibly be?

I've been told for years and year by the anti-Apple crowd that the only real way to spur innovation is by having lots and lots of competition, and because Apple exists in its own little bubble, that cannot happen there.

So, clearly Apple is lying. Obviously the Windows PC ecosystem had to have beaten Apple to this, but I'm not finding it. Anyone got a link?

[GoKyu]

This mouse is beautiful, but unfortunately for Apple, they also need to be ergonomic also - I haven't held this particular mouse yet, but I have held one that's got a somewhat similar shape - a Kensington slimline mouse. It's too low and there's nothing to really grab onto.

I have big hands, and the mice that work best for me are the Logitech MX1100 or even some of the larger Microsoft laser mice. I actually have a refurb MX 5500 set on its way, so I can have the Bluetooth MX Recolution mouse (and I'll have to get SteerMouse, cos Logitech's LCC sucks.)

[TheVidEditor]

Magic Mouse? Co'mon :apple: I thought you could create a better name than that!

[NT1440]

Magic Mouse? Co'mon :apple: I thought you could create a better name than that!

Masterful Magnificent Mojo Maker Mouse anyone?

[inkswamp]

My logic is, I try it before I proclaim something about it that you can only FEEL, like ergonomics. What the **** does a previous model have anything to do with it, seeing as they aren't the same shape. But yea, I guess not jumping to conclusions one way or the other is just retarded :rolleyes:

Don't you understand how it works when it comes to evaluating Apple products? First, you form an opinion that somehow relies on stereotypes of Apple users and negative opinions of Steve Jobs ("Apple users are too dumb to use a real mouse." "Jobs only wants to take the best features away from you and force you to be a hippie.") Then, you look at the specs and photos and gather as much evidence to support that opinion, selectively ignoring anything that contradicts it. Finally, you post it to multiple forums prior to actually using the product.

Come on. That's how it has always worked. That's how it will always work.

[NT1440]

Don't you understand how it works when it comes to evaluating Apple products? First, you form an opinion that somehow relies on stereotypes of Apple users and negative opinions of Steve Jobs ("Apple users are too dumb to use a real mouse." "Jobs only wants to take the best features away from you and force you to be a hippie.") Then, you look at the specs and photos and gather as much evidence to support that opinion, selectively ignoring anything that contradicts it. Finally, you post it to multiple forums prior to actually using the product.

Come on. That's how it's always worked. That's how it will always work.

I lost the handbook, my apologies :o

[Nyaree1]

I want this so bad! And the thing that sucks is I just bought the Wireless Mighty Mouse a week ago for my MBP...I think I'll do some exchanging. ;)

[synth3tik]

My Expert Pro mouse can bet up that "magic" mouse. HA!

[Bonsai1214]

i really want one, but i'll go to my campus store first to see how it handles..

[Nuvi]

Everything you stated is solely from a your own point of view and that is your right. If it is ergonomic for righties, then lefties like me can't use it. As for two buttons, I got used to it very quick and can still kick ass in FPS with a Mighty Mouse. Lastly, it is only gamers that complain about more buttons. I would only agree to the point that Exposè is now gone and I wish it supported more gestures. The latter can be fixed in a software update.

I personally can't wait til this comes out within the next two weeks.

Every 3D software requires the third button same goes for many of the video post production apps. Don't know about games since I'm not a gamer. Regarding the expose etc. I wouldn't bet my money on software updates. We have no idea if the Magic mouse touch pad has resolution for three (or more) finger gestures. Regarding left and right hand ergonomic mouses there is a reason why they manufacture specifically different types for left and right handed people. You thought they only came for right handed??? Honestly I have used every Apple mouse design they have ever come up with and in my opinion they have been trailing behind ever since the first ergonomic mouses with scroll wheels came out. Some would say they screwed up the mouse design when they didn't accept the fact that multiple buttons are needed.

[GQB]

They've done it! An even less ergonomic and harder to use mouse! :eek:

How would you know that until you've used it?;

[bobbleheadbob]

I have a $50 Apple gift card and I've been looking for something to use it on. This could be it. A new :apple: Magic Mouse for only $20 sounds like just the thing. :)

[JesterJJZ]

No cord...no sale...

How typical for Apple to make something I want but lack the functionality I need.

[NT1440]

No cord...no sale...

How typical for Apple to make something I want but lack the functionality I need.

What functionality does a cord provide?:confused:

[The Samurai]

Just out of curiosity... has anyone in this thread actually managed to get one of these mice at their local apple store yet?

[QuarterSwede]

Personally this is EXACTLY the mouse that I wanted them to make. I simply can't stand using "normal" mice with a scroll wheel now that I've been spoiled by the iPhone's fantastic multitouch and the MacBook's great two-fingered scrolling. However, I certainly won't judge it before I use it because that's obviously moronic. So far, I see it as the best of the mice and trackpad worlds.

[Eric S.]

What functionality does a cord provide?:confused:

Well one thing is, no batteries. The mouse can be lighter and you don't have to buy/recharge batteries.

That said, I use a cordless mouse and prefer it to messing with wires.

[arkmannj]

What functionality does a cord provide?:confused:

I think it would be nice if the mouse had a corded/cordless option. that way if your batteries are running low you can just hook it up and while you're using it, it could recharge off of the USB. (or if we don't want rechargeable, it would still be great just to be able to hook it up when you got dead batteries)

[*LTD*]

Apple just changed the desktop mouse game. Brilliant.

Can't wait to get one of these. Should be here in a week or so.

[Randman]

I'll consider getting one or two if they work as advertised. Be hard to give up my Logitech Optical Trackman though (at work and home).

[Eminemdrdre00]

Does anyone know if gestures work inside Firefox or any other non-Apple apps?

[Weepul]

Can it discern between a left- and right-click when both fingers are resting on the surface, without having to lift up one finger like you do with the Mighty Mouse?

Doesn't look like it, per the video. Deal-breaker.

Swiping looks like it'll get painful after a while. Heck, just watching that example video made my hand hurt. :eek:

[pooryou]

It is amazing how bad Apple sucks at making peripherals.:mad:

[netsped]

I just placed my order. Couldn't keep cleaning my mighty mouse every week.

Don't know if someone has seen this but on the Magic Mouse User Guide it states that we will need to update to 10.5.8 or 10.6.2 in order for it to work so I bet we will see the OS update as soon as next tuesday since the shipping time for the MM is 5-7 days and I have a 28-30 oct delivery estimate.

[Shasterball]

i really want one, but i'll go to my campus store first to see how it handles..

Agreed 100%. I'll check it out this weekend!

[twoodcc]

looking forward to trying one of these out. i'll probably end up getting one when i do

[&Ingonyama]

Gimmick. This doesn't improve functionality over an average mouse, in fact its probably a lot worse.

[mazurka]

This looks pretty cool, but I wish there was a wired option I could use with my G5. Plus it would be cheaper, and I wouldn't have to worry about batteries!

If you really, really want to buy this mouse, get a D-Link Bluetooth module that you can plug into a USB port. I have a G5, and that's what I'm going to do. I had a D-Link hanging around from the days when I had a Sony Ericsson bluetooth phone.

[NT1440]

Gimmick. This doesn't improve functionality over an average mouse, in fact its probably a lot worse.

Based on......

Oh yea, Idle speculation! :rolleyes:

[SmugMac]

Gimmick. This doesn't improve functionality over an average mouse, in fact its probably a lot worse.

Maybe you should take your own advice and read your signature.

[puckhead193]

eh seems interesting, i'm going to hold off and see. The main purpose to upgrade from my logitech is if I can easily scroll through clips in FCP..if not i'm ordering my Contour shuttle pro2

[mazurka]

If you have the original MM with the scroll ball, you can clean it while holding it upside down and rubbing it along a clean sheet of paper (I started out delicatly doing it, then used more pressure until I felt comfortable I wasn't going to destroy it, which was more pressure than from normal usage). I couldn't believe all that gunk that came out of mine, and I had to do it a few times over the course of the day (because I didn't want to roll it around for too long at once for fear of breaking it). Ever since then I can finally scroll down again where before it would only work for a few moments and then stop.

I regularly do it now and don't have any more problems with my scroll ball.

Yes, that lasts about four weeks and then it just stops altogether.

[inkswamp]

Gimmick. This doesn't improve functionality over an average mouse, in fact its probably a lot worse.

Where to begin...? :rolleyes:

[ej3ffrey]

went to the apple store today and they said they'd have them in by tomorrow or thursday.

[JesterJJZ]

What functionality does a cord provide?:confused:

I've noticed a lag in ALL wireless mice I've ever used. Some more than others, but I need true 1:1 precision in movement.

[NT1440]

It is amazing how bad Apple sucks at making peripherals.:mad:

Care to explain rather than just whine?

[fleshman03]

What functionality does a cord provide?:confused:

Power. The ability to not waste $100s of batteries. Not to mention the environmental factors of all those batteries going into a landfill.

They should have done something with recharging + Dock. Have it turn off while its dock... blah blah blah.

All in All, it doesn't bother me but I can see where people are coming from.

[NT1440]

Power. The ability to not waste $100s of batteries. Not to mention the environmental factors of all those batteries going into a landfill.

They should have done something with recharging + Dock. Have it turn off while its dock... blah blah blah.

All in All, it doesn't bother me but I can see where people are coming from.

You guys don't use rechargeable batteries for your peripherals? :confused:

Thats....shortsighted.

[dubels]

Eh, I guess I really cannot complain that it is not ergonomical since it has to be designed to allow for multi touch. But for a mouse it just seems painful to use. I got a mighty mouse for free so I have been trying to fall in love with that. But the way it sits in my hand it just makes for a painful experience. I don't really mind the trackball but I will be moving back to my microsoft bluetooth mouse. If I wanted multitouch I would rather get this to accompany my Wacom Tablet: Wacom Bamboo Multitouch. (They are the same price too). I really wish I waited a few months and purchased the new Bamboo Pen & Touch, but eh.

http://www.wacom.com/bamboo/gallery/CTT460_1.jpg

[seedster2]

I'll stick with my MX Revolution; rather wait and demo it instead of paying to be another beta tester.

I've never had much longevity with Apple's keyboards and their mice are horrific for people with bigger hands

[Bonsai1214]

kind of sad that currently, you need to lift up your left finger to right click. maybe firmware update will fix that?

[shiseiryu1]

I'll stick with my MX Revolution; rather wait and demo it instead of paying to be another beta tester.

I've never had much longevity with Apple's keyboards and their mice are horrific for people with bigger hands

The MX Revolution is an excellent mouse...I don't think I'll be parting with mine anytime soon either. I do like the new thin Apple keyboard though...regular windows keyboards seems really weird to me now...

[NoSmokingBandit]

Care to explain rather than just whine?

LOL.
The last dozen posts of yours in thsi thread is just a whine-fest about people who have doubts about the magic mouse.

[NT1440]

LOL.
The last dozen posts of yours in thsi thread is just a whine-fest about people who have doubts about the magic mouse.

No, its about people who use baseless speculation to make a statement as fact, a pet peeve of mine. It has nothing to do with the mouse, I do the same thing all over, even PRSI.

[Eric S.]

The gesture commands allow users to scroll through documents, pan across images, or swipe to move forward or backward through web pages or photos. It is said to work for both left and right handed users and gesture commands can be configured in the System Preferences.

But it's missing the one gesture that I would give this mouse. :D

[-wiseguy-]

this was SOOOOOO necessary... can't wait to get one!!!!:apple:

[nullx86]

OMG OMG OMG OMG! I just came. New 27" iMacs with quad cores (both i5 and i7) and 4870's, new unibody design macbooks and revised mac minis. Apple has my next college refund :D I am so getting one of these.

[CristobalHuet]

In Montreal here...hope the Apple Store's gonna have them on Thursday or Friday, dyiiiiing to pick one up! In the market for a new mouse too, this is just perfect! :D :apple:

[KidMoe85]

Anyone else see this: http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/20/a-video-walkthrough-of-apples-newest-additions/

Looks like he's having trouble using it in the video. Definitely gonna wait on some reviews before I consider this mouse.

[Kristenn]

I might be crazy. But this looks like the best mouse ever.

[Bonsai1214]

I might be crazy. But this looks like the best mouse ever.

it looks it, but function wise, it maybe slightly lacking. holding off judgement until i try it myself.

[gr8tfly]

I might be crazy. But this looks like the best mouse ever.

You're not crazy. :)

It's just that most people don't post the good - just the bad and the ugly. ;)

I placed my order earlier this evening and I'm looking forward to it. I've been using the MM since they were released and have always enjoyed using it. It's also one of the most comfortable for me. Almost no problems with the scroll ball - just a periodic upside down run on some paper to clean.

[doctor-don]

Anyone else see this: http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/20/a-video-walkthrough-of-apples-newest-additions/

Looks like he's having trouble using it in the video. Definitely gonna wait on some reviews before I consider this mouse.

Is he deliberately trying to sabotage the products? Or has he just been told to pick up the toys and play with them - with no prior time to use them?

He only speaks of two USB ports, a Mini DisplayPort, and an Ethernet on the MacBook. Did he fail to mention it has a MagSafe power connection, and that it is a Gigabit Ethernet? I thought everyone familiar with MacBooks knew that Firewire was gone, so why mention that again?

The use of that Magic Mouse shows he doesn't use one regularly or he hasn't used this one enough to be reviewing it.

[netsped]

Is he deliberately trying to sabotage the products? Or has he just been told to pick up the toys and play with them - with no prior time to use them?

He only speaks of two USB ports, a Mini DisplayPort, and an Ethernet on the MacBook. Did he fail to mention it has a MagSafe power connection, and that it is a Gigabit Ethernet? I thought everyone familiar with MacBooks knew that Firewire was gone, so why mention that again?

The use of that Magic Mouse shows he doesn't use one regularly or he hasn't used this one enough to be reviewing it.

+1

And he don't even know the new keyboard uses 2 batteries instead of 3 and not 1 instead of 2. He might be saving his knowledge for windows 7... :confused:

[Phrasikleia]

Anyone else see this: http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/20/a-video-walkthrough-of-apples-newest-additions/

Looks like he's having trouble using it in the video. Definitely gonna wait on some reviews before I consider this mouse.

Why is that not playing for me in the most recent version of FF with the most recent version of the Flash Player?

[Roessnakhan]

Did he fail to mention it has a MagSafe power connection, and that it is a Gigabit Ethernet? I thought everyone familiar with MacBooks knew that Firewire was gone, so why mention that again?

Power and network connections are hardly worth mentioning. However, two USB ports for a $1,000 machine is.

The use of that Magic Mouse shows he doesn't use one regularly or he hasn't used this one enough to be reviewing it.

Regularly use something that came out TODAY? Come on, its perfectly legitimate to review based off first impressions.

[wackymacky]

Umm.

Well I was planning on finally upgrading to SL in the next week or two, so I have a bit of a shopping list:

SL box set
magic mouse (hate the name)
remote (if it does a better job controlling the iPhone)
ipod nano for the wife

[iMaggot]

Will wait for reviews before i buy.

[TheJae]

OK tell me it got tactile feedback or some sort of 'click mechanism'. A mouse is not a mouse without the clicking sound.

[mac88]

I am really interested in using this. Concept seems great.

[Let's Sekuhara!]

This mouse is beautiful, but unfortunately for Apple, they also need to be ergonomic also - I haven't held this particular mouse yet, but I have held one that's got a somewhat similar shape - a Kensington slimline mouse. It's too low and there's nothing to really grab onto.

I know what you mean about being too low with nothing to grab onto.
But enough about your granny's buttox.
(I'm kidding!) :D
I owned one of those Kensington mice and I gave it away because of the ergonomics. Personally I'm a big fan of the symmetrical Logitech mice with just two buttons and a scroll wheel.

But I will definitely give this new Magic Mouse a fair shake and test drive it at an Apple Store before forming an opinion.

[MythicFrost]

I will probably buy it if I can activate Expose, Spaces, and/or Expose (Desktop) from it with gestures like I can do by clicking buttons on my Apple Mouse.
Does anyone know if it supports this? I hope they have drivers for Windows too!

[Buzz Bumble]

The Mighty Mouse had 4 buttons. Does this now only have 2?

Of course, three of those Mighty Mouse buttons were a pain in the sit-upon that I ALWAYS turned off. The Mac OS only needs one button, two if you're too lazy to move to the top of the screen to acces the menu bar (which is a bit understandable on a 27" or 30" screen). :)

[Nuvi]

The Mac OS only needs one button, two if you're too lazy to move to the top of the screen to acces the menu bar (which is a bit understandable on a 27" or 30" screen). :)

What about all the 3d and video post production software out there that need three buttons? You do realize that Win needs the right click no more then Mac which = both of them need it badly...

[Casiotone]

There are two main ways to hold and use a mouse:

1. Rest your whole hand and palm on the mouse and move the mouse in sync with your hand.
2. Hold the mouse by its sides, leaving a space between your palm and the mouse. That way you can do precise movements by moving the mouse with your fingers, only moving your wrist/arms for wider movements.

Apple mice are made to be used with technique #2. People that try to rest their whole hand on the mouse will find Apple mice to be too small and uncomfortable, but that's not how it's supposed to be held.

People that are used to technique #1 will prefer relatively big mice that "fits" the shape of their hand perfectly. These folks will look at either the Mighty Mouse or the Magic Mouse, without trying it and conclude that it's not "ergonomic" because it doesn't have this particular hand-fitting shape they're looking for.

I'm not an ergonomic expert, but I would venture to say that technique #2 doesn't cause as much RSI as it puts less strain on the wrist, and that the big hand-fitting mice are preventing you from using only your fingers to move the mouse for precise movements since your hand is "stuck" around the mouse, thus forcing you to use your wrists to make any movement.

Personally, I love the shape of the Mighty Mouse, have no problems with right-clicking and I absolutely adore the little trackball. I like the fact that I can click with all my fingers to register a left-click. I tried many other mice and to me the big scroll-wheels don't cut it at all, even the one with ball-bearings.

That being said the big problem with the trackball is the way it would get dirty and stop working. It's extremely annoying to have to clean it every once in a while. Also, I disabled the side buttons since I was always activating them by accident.

The Magic Mouse is the mice that I waited for, I don't care much for the gestures, but I'm pretty sure that the scrolling will be close to what the track ball provided and even better, without the cleaning problem.

BUT... Where is the middle click? I use it all the time in Safari to open links in new tabs. It's really a deal-breaker to me even though I would love to get a Magic Mouse :(

[jendass]

and what about future of this little piece of apple pie. definetly hope that Magic Mouse (sry but this name makes me funny:D) can recognize more than 2 fingers, so in future there could be possibility of 3 fingers exposé function. In other case I'm not very sure about advantage agains my MBP trackpad.

But definitely buying it as soon as possible, because of technology :D

[talkingfuture]

Looks good, but I'll definitely go to an Apple shop and try one out before I buy. It needs to be a lot more comfortable than the mighty mouse.

[djchuckc27]

I'm sure there will be an update for a 3 finger Expose gesture. Maybe swipe up for Ex and Swipe down for desktop.

[iRACK]

Anyone see this:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/microsoft-research-shows-off-multitouch-mouse-prototypes/

This was a POst a while ago on Engadget showing MSofts new Technologies...
We don´t have to say anything to that.

iLove the Magic Mouse! It is a revolution.

[sandratycova]

I use the link Apple Introduces Magic Mouse - A Multi-Touch Mouse. I like This mouse is beautiful, I am surprised that this mouse is lacking the other nice features like "pinch open close" and four finger expose.

[PDE]

There are two main ways to hold and use a mouse:

1. Rest your whole hand and palm on the mouse and move the mouse in sync with your hand.
2. Hold the mouse by its sides, leaving a space between your palm and the mouse. That way you can do precise movements by moving the mouse with your fingers, only moving your wrist/arms for wider movements.

Apple mice are made to be used with technique #2. People that try to rest their whole hand on the mouse will find Apple mice to be too small and uncomfortable, but that's not how it's supposed to be held.

People that are used to technique #1 will prefer relatively big mice that "fits" the shape of their hand perfectly. These folks will look at either the Mighty Mouse or the Magic Mouse, without trying it and conclude that it's not "ergonomic" because it doesn't have this particular hand-fitting shape they're looking for.

I'm not an ergonomic expert, but I would venture to say that technique #2 doesn't cause as much RSI as it puts less strain on the wrist, and that the big hand-fitting mice are preventing you from using only your fingers to move the mouse for precise movements since your hand is "stuck" around the mouse, thus forcing you to use your wrists to make any movement.

Personally, I love the shape of the Mighty Mouse, have no problems with right-clicking and I absolutely adore the little trackball. I like the fact that I can click with all my fingers to register a left-click. I tried many other mice and to me the big scroll-wheels don't cut it at all, even the one with ball-bearings.(

Actually gripping while clicking/swiping is very harmful for the small muscles and tendons in the hand. People tend to focus on the compression of the carpal tunnel when they talk about RSIs, but there are other serious problems that occur as a result of mouse use, such as painful tendonitis. But this mouse has all RSIs covered in that it is flat rather than vertical, has an elevated touchpad surface which will tempt people to rest their wrists on the table and thereby flex it to reach the top surface, encourages (tense) gripping to move, is not shaped according to the hands anatomy etc. It's surprisingly poor in terms of ergonomics -- that's not just an opinion, it's a fact. Ask any ergonomic specialist and they will concur. Sadly, Apple obviously didn't have any ergonomic experts on their team, or the beauty designers were given veto powers during the design phase.

This could have been a great mouse, but now it's just another mediocre Apple mouse. With something as important to our health and well-being as a computer input device, you can't allow form to take precedent over function and ergonomics.


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[stagi]

I can't wait to try this out, my scroll wheel on my might mouse always has problems and would love to get rid of it!

[kanon14]

Eh, I guess I really cannot complain that it is not ergonomical since it has to be designed to allow for multi touch. But for a mouse it just seems painful to use. I got a mighty mouse for free so I have been trying to fall in love with that. But the way it sits in my hand it just makes for a painful experience. I don't really mind the trackball but I will be moving back to my microsoft bluetooth mouse. If I wanted multitouch I would rather get this to accompany my Wacom Tablet: Wacom Bamboo Multitouch. (They are the same price too). I really wish I waited a few months and purchased the new Bamboo Pen & Touch, but eh.

http://www.wacom.com/bamboo/gallery/CTT460_1.jpg

I'm wondering if you are using it already because I kinda regret getting it. It's nice that it has multitouch and all but the cursor movement and multitouch isn't very smooth at all. I was really hoping Apple would make a standalone touchpad :(

[NightFox]

Considering this is now the standard mouse that ships with iMacs by default, I hope they're going to sort out BootCamp drivers soon, or you're going to have new iMac owners having to buy a second mouse for whenever they want to use Windows.

And why is it that in this thread anyone who criticises the Magic Mouse gets a big "Have you tried it yet? Thought not. Shut up.", whereas anyone who praises it doesn't get the same response?

[Fizzoid]

You guys don't use rechargeable batteries for your peripherals? :confused:

Thats....shortsighted.

Wait, you use a limited external power supply that needs maintenance rather than just taking power from the computer? :confused:

That's also....shortsighted

[hybra]

I'll pass on this, not what I expected.
It shouldn't be that difficult to extract the flat glass multitouch trackpad concept from a macbook and embed it in a standalone nice aluminium case, with bluetooth AND usb connector (so you can use either one or the other connection).
When the usb cable is connected, bluetooth goes off.

[ghettochild]

Personally, I love the shape of the Mighty Mouse, have no problems with right-clicking and I absolutely adore the little trackball. I like the fact that I can click with all my fingers to register a left-click. I tried many other mice and to me the big scroll-wheels don't cut it at all, even the one with ball-bearings.



You "adore" the trackball. Really?

[Happy Luppy]

wow it looks great
i wonder if the performance will be much better than mighty mouse

[dronex]

I'm hoping that this mouse can be last longer with one battery. I don't like to see when I use it (not frequently) and drains all after several uses... That would drive me mad.

[zen]

Can you finally press and hold two mouse buttons, eg for UT2004? :o

Apologies if this has already been answered, but looking at the demo video on the Apple site, it appears you need to lift your left-click finger off the surface in order to right-click. So like the Mighty Mouse before it, you can't click and hold both "buttons" at once.

Which makes the mouse useless for gaming.

[*LTD*]

Eh, I guess I really cannot complain that it is not ergonomical since it has to be designed to allow for multi touch. But for a mouse it just seems painful to use. I got a mighty mouse for free so I have been trying to fall in love with that. But the way it sits in my hand it just makes for a painful experience. I don't really mind the trackball but I will be moving back to my microsoft bluetooth mouse. If I wanted multitouch I would rather get this to accompany my Wacom Tablet: Wacom Bamboo Multitouch. (They are the same price too). I really wish I waited a few months and purchased the new Bamboo Pen & Touch, but eh.

http://www.wacom.com/bamboo/gallery/CTT460_1.jpg

That thing is horrible. I returned mine (Touch tablet, not pen.) It's a good way to get RSI. It's a pain to use. I posted a "review" (more like a rant) about this in the peripherals section. Of course, YMMV, but I don't recommend it.

[jamesarm97]

Apologies if this has already been answered, but looking at the demo video on the Apple site, it appears you need to lift your left-click finger off the surface in order to right-click. So like the Mighty Mouse before it, you can't click and hold both "buttons" at once.

Which makes the mouse useless for gaming.

Can you hold the mouse and rest both fingers on it while moving it around? I hope you can. I can't see moving the mouse around with both fingers lifted.

[sanPietro98]

I want to purchase this, but it all will come down to whether I can control Expose with it. If I can't, then I'm not buying.

[DougB541]

I find it interesting that people are calling this a "revolution."


Its essentially a multi-touch track pad over a desktop mouse. I wouldn't quite call its revolutionary.


Whenever someone gets one give a mini review. But first impressions are obviously not that high even on this forum.

[liquidtrend]

I like accessing expose and dashboard from my mighty mouse. I'm gonna buy the new magic for my lady and let her give it a test drive. If she likes it, then it can't be all to bad, since she's way too picky.

[macintoshtoffy]

Looks good but they've only released a wireless model - what about those of us who don't want to recharge batteries all the time? I might want it if it came with a recharging dock but it doesn't.

Stupid Apple with its anti-wires fetish. There is nothing wrong with having cables - stop this stupid idea that wireless equals more modern and high tech.

[Bubba Satori]

You "adore" the trackball. Really?

:D

[mrl72]

Any idea when this will be available at the local Apple stores, or even Best Buy?

[NJMetsHero]

It's cool thT they are adding the multi-touch functionality to the desktop experience. If I were buying an iMac right now and that mouse was included like it is in the box, then I'd be pretty happy about it. Since I only have a laptop, no reason for me to get it since the trackpad does the same thing. It's pretty cool though.

[silentnite]

It does look sleek & all but rather to thin for my hands. I like to feel like I have a grip on things. :D

[PDE]

Another issue that Cnet's preview showed: when you do a horizontal swipe with two fingers, you really have to hold on to the mouse while you do it, or it will slide on the table as you swipe (try practicing on something else to see how uncomfortable that is).

I'm astounded that Apple designed this. I guess as mouse included in their consumer range systems it's fine and more appealing than what others offer. But they certainly should have made up their mind: mouse OR multitouch pad. The combination is painfully contradictory.

[Casiotone]

You "adore" the trackball. Really?

Pardon my french :) Yes I adore the little trackball, each night I pray in front of the altar I built for it ;) It provides smooth and quick scrolling for me.

But it does get stuck and it's annoying. Thats why I like the idea of a touchpad on the top of the mouse.

Actually gripping while clicking/swiping is very harmful for the small muscles and tendons in the hand. People tend to focus on the compression of the carpal tunnel when they talk about RSIs, but there are other serious problems that occur as a result of mouse use, such as painful tendonitis. But this mouse has all RSIs covered in that it is flat rather than vertical, has an elevated touchpad surface which will tempt people to rest their wrists on the table and thereby flex it to reach the top surface, encourages (tense) gripping to move, is not shaped according to the hands anatomy etc. It's surprisingly poor in terms of ergonomics -- that's not just an opinion, it's a fact. Ask any ergonomic specialist and they will concur. Sadly, Apple obviously didn't have any ergonomic experts on their team, or the beauty designers were given veto powers during the design phase.

This could have been a great mouse, but now it's just another mediocre Apple mouse. With something as important to our health and well-being as a computer input device, you can't allow form to take precedent over function and ergonomics.
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How is "reaching for the top surface" different from reaching to click and use the scroll wheel on just about every other mice? And since just about every other mice is thicker than the Magic Mouse, wouldn't this aggravate the problem you're describing since these are more elevated?

As for that "tense gripping" you're talking about, technique #2 is achieved by NOT gripping the mouse firmly, it's quite the opposite as you have to loosely hold it so it can move between your fingers, instead of having to grip the whole mouse.

How about trackpads on laptops? They have nothing for your palm to rest on and require a lot of finger movements, yet people with RSI will switch to trackpads or trackballs to alleviate the pain because they require less wrist movements. Gently moving the mouse using fingers require much less wrist movements and thick mice that fit your hand prevent you from doing that and force you to use your wrists all the time.

Personally, mice that fits my hand shape then to hurt my wrists after a while (I sometimes have to use them at work) while small mice that I can move mostly using my fingers don't. Note that in both case I use a wrist pad.

[TheSpaz]

I'm wondering how heavy it's going to feel. Using the Bluetooth Mighty Mouse is very heavy feeling compared to the wired version. Also, I hope they've improved the Bluetooth performance in this version because my Bluetooth Mighty Mouse is laggy and hard to use. The cursor doesn't move smoothly.

[netdog]

I tried it at Regent Street today. Wonderful mouse. Can't wait to get rid of my Mighty Mouse.

It will take some time to get adept at some of the motions, but I cannot agree with posters who think it is a clumsy cludge of a touchpad.

With some practice, this will be the mouse you've ever used.

[whooleytoo]

It's surprisingly poor in terms of ergonomics -- that's not just an opinion, it's a fact. Ask any ergonomic specialist and they will concur. Sadly, Apple obviously didn't have any ergonomic experts on their team, or the beauty designers were given veto powers during the design phase.
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I have to disagree with a lot of your post, partly on logic but mostly just on personal experience. It's not that the ergonomics you mention above are wrong, but just that there is no such thing as a universal ergonomic mouse. There is no one mouse design which fits everyone's hand size/finger length and grip/usage perfectly.

I find flat mice far more comfortable to use, than mice which require you to bend or twist your wrist. A BIG plus to Apple's designs over many ergonomic mice, is the lack of physical buttons. A lot of ergonomic mice have lots of small buttons. Great, if your fingertips naturally line up where the designers think, very awkward if they don't. Because of the button-less design, with these mice you click where you want, you don't have to contort your hand to click where someone with longer fingers or a different grip might. In a natural position, my index finger normally hovers over the scroll wheel/ball; so on most mice I have to stretch to reach the left button. Not with Apple mice.

[calderone]

It would be interesting to see Apple offer one more "button." Given that it is right and left hand aware, and you can switch the side on which the "right click" resides, enabling both would allow you to see one to say expose, and keep the other as the right click.

You may also be able to disable right click, but enable that mouse button for expose in sysprefs.

Mine won't be here for awhile, so I won't be able to test that out until next week.

[Perrumpo]

You "adore" the trackball. Really?

I abhor it.

Glad I never bought one myself since I saw how sticky that ball gets. I'm definitely looking forward to the Magic Mouse. I wonder, though, about some of the environmental facts. Quite simply, the lack thereof.

[PDE]

How is "reaching for the top surface" different from reaching to click and use the scroll wheel on just about every other mice? And since just about every other mice is thicker than the Magic Mouse, wouldn't this aggravate the problem you're describing since these are more elevated?


I'm not saying that most mice are good. Most mice are ergonomically poor.There are good ones out there, for example http://www.aerobicmouse.com/, but only a few of them and with caveats. The issues with a touchpad are different from those of a mouse. The problem with Apple's mouse is that it's trying to be both. If it were just a mouse, meaning that the surface was not used for any purpose except perhaps a scroll ball, then it would be ok, though certainly not ideal. The problem is that they've given you a small area in which to move your fingers while maintaining the need to hold the mouse in place. That's different from a regular mouse where your whole hand hand rest on the mouse and you just use a finger to scroll with -- try it out on a small raised object to see how you'll naturally move your hand/fingers on a regular mouse vs. the magic mouse. The old mighty mouse allows you to place your hand any way you want around it and just lean a little more to click - not bad actually. I use it occasionally when travelling and I've found that it's good because I can constantly change the way I hold it, i.e. it's very flexible and doesn't force you into any position.

In any case, there are only a few good mice on the market today, so I'm not saying that Apple is the only bad guy. I'm just disappointed that they didn't do better.

As for that "tense gripping" you're talking about, technique #2 is achieved by NOT gripping the mouse firmly, it's quite the opposite as you have to loosely hold it so it can move between your fingers, instead of having to grip the whole mouse.

In order to keep the mouse in place while you scroll with two fingers you're going to have to grip in one way or another to keep it steady. Check out Cnet's preview for a good example of that.

How about trackpads on laptops? They have nothing for your palm to rest on and require a lot of finger movements, yet people with RSI will switch to trackpads or trackballs to alleviate the pain because they require less wrist movements. Gently moving the mouse using fingers require much less wrist movements and thick mice that fit your hand prevent you from doing that and force you to use your wrists all the time.

We're talking about both wrist and finger/hand movement, as well as shoulder and arm movement. All mice can cause RSI, but some are better for you than others, and even that will vary depending on the person and how they use their body while working at a computer. Laptop ergonomics are usually bad -- apple's latest multitouch button, for example, is far too stiff to be good for anybody's fingers/hands. If used in a relaxed manner, without hovering the hand and fingers above (thus tensing), the multitouch pad can be really good. But of course that requires the user to be aware and to learn a certain way of using it, and that's something most people won't do.

I suffered from debilitating RSI and spent almost two years researching and trying literally all input devices available at the time ( a few years ago). I found that there is no perfect device and that the best way to deal with RSI is to use multiple devices, take rests, have good posture and listen to your body. I primarily use a wacom tablet for input, as it allows my entire hand to be relaxed and my fingers to barely grip the pen. I also use the aerobic mouse mentioned above, but it's of terrible quality and keeps breaking down.

It'll be interesting to see what people say once they start using this thing. I'm going to go check it out this weekend...

[PDE]

I have to disagree with a lot of your post, partly on logic but mostly just on personal experience. It's not that the ergonomics you mention above are wrong, but just that there is no such thing as a universal ergonomic mouse. There is no one mouse design which fits everyone's hand size/finger length and grip/usage perfectly.

I find flat mice far more comfortable to use, than mice which require you to bend or twist your wrist. A BIG plus to Apple's designs over many ergonomic mice, is the lack of physical buttons. A lot of ergonomic mice have lots of small buttons. Great, if your fingertips naturally line up where the designers think, very awkward if they don't. Because of the button-less design, with these mice you click where you want, you don't have to contort your hand to click where someone with longer fingers or a different grip might. In a natural position, my index finger normally hovers over the scroll wheel/ball; so on most mice I have to stretch to reach the left button. Not with Apple mice.

The anatomically neutral position, whether you prefer it or not, is when thumbs are pointing ip and the the inside of the forearms are pointing inward. That prevents the two main bones of the forearm from twisting and putting pressure on the nerves. I agree that lots of buttons are problematic, but I also think that one should be cautious to believe when a company states that something is ergonomic -- it may or may not be, just like any other advertising. I like the idea of the button-less design and think it works pretty well in the mighty mouse, but this is no mighty mouse! Anyway, we can choose whichever mouse is good for us or, better still, many different ones to alternate between...I'm certainly not saying that people shouldn't use this thing, just that it really is not promoting good, neutral and strain-reducing posture.

[AL3]

Exposé is essencial for most users, I hope Apple listens and implement this via Software Update..
IMHO 4-finger gestures are a little tricky because the 1st and 4th fingers would be on the edge of the mouse, therefore not noticeable to the mouse surface.

Anyway, 4-finguer gesture or not, please Apple find a way - any way - to implement the 3rd and 4th mouse buttons.


PS. Apple sure likes the M alliteration...

[wildmac]

There is no one perfect mouse...

The multi-touch functions on this one, with updates in the future, would be great for graphics work assuming that PS and such are updated to support it.

The "ergo" one mentioned above, while great for those suffering from RSI, is terrible for percision graphics work.

But this new magic mouse will fail miserably for gaming, and Apple I am sure knows that.

Regarding the mouse being flat.. one of the best devices I ever used was a near-flat trackball made by CoStar. The ball was the size of an oversized large marble, but set deep in the device, so your had could rest without being hunched over. Assuming your arm/wrist is in the correct position, a flat device can be very comfortable.

But there is no one perfect solution.

[gr8tfly]

I tried it at Regent Street today. Wonderful mouse. Can't wait to get rid of my Mighty Mouse.

It will take some time to get adept at some of the motions, but I cannot agree with posters who think it is a clumsy cludge of a touchpad.

With some practice, this will be the mouse you've ever used.

Good to hear some actual use reports. Thanks. I think I'm going to find it more comfortable than the Mighty, too (and that's been one of the most comfortable mice for me). Off to check for a ship notice! ;)

[apfhex]

I'm hoping that this mouse can be last longer with one battery. I don't like to see when I use it (not frequently) and drains all after several uses... That would drive me mad.
Supposedly will get 4 months on two AAs, so I would except maybe half that or a little less on just one?

what about those of us who don't want to recharge batteries all the time? I might want it if it came with a recharging dock but it doesn't..
Seems to me that all mice that come with proprietary li-ion batteries need to be recharged CONSTANTLY. My MX Rev and Mamba barely hold a charge more than a couple days (I do enjoy that the Mamba can be wired, the battery life is so abysmal). How is that better than rechargeable AAs that will last much, much longer or non-rechargeables lasting months and months? I greatly prefer this approach.

I am way more hyped for this mouse than I would have guessed. I was surprised at how nice the flat aluminum keyboard is and I think this mouse could make an awesome complement to it. Just gotta see if I can demo it at the Apple Store soon.

[macmedal]

I had a good play with the magic mouse in the Apple store today. I was a little sceptical about it from the photos, but having used it I have revised my initial thoughts.

Overall it is leaps and bounds over the mighty mouse which I can't stand.

The mouse does audibly click when you press the button area so it gives a positive feel. I noticed that pressing with one finger to the left or two fingers (I am right handed) it is like a left click, to right click you do have to lift your left finger off the left mouse area so not so good for gamers. The scroll feature is fantastic and works really well a bit like the iphone. The pointer is responsive so the laser accuracy works well. It was hard to assess the ergonomic feel of the mouse and I did get wrist ache after a while but like all apple stores I was standing up so it was awkward to use properly, especially as I am tall so I was stooping over the table.

One feature I really did not like was the two finger swipe to go forward or back this was a little clumsy and will take a little practice as the mouse moves sideways unless you grip it between your thumb and little finger. Using it on a mouse mat may well help, the apple guy seemed to have mastered it well so it does work but not that easy to perform.

The construction is something else, it looks and feels something special with its aluminium base and high gloss white translucent plastic finish, really first class. Overall it is very different to any other mouse I have used and will take a bit of getting use to, but I will be ordering one today.

[Jason Beck]

I had a good play with the magic mouse in the Apple store today. I was a little sceptical about it from the photos, but having used it I have revised my initial thoughts.

Overall it is leaps and bounds over the mighty mouse which I can't stand.

The mouse does audibly click when you press the button area so it gives a positive feel. I noticed that pressing with one finger to the left or two fingers (I am right handed) it is like a left click, to right click you do have to lift your left finger off the left mouse area so not so good for gamers. The scroll feature is fantastic and works really well a bit like the iphone. The pointer is responsive so the laser accuracy works well. It was hard to assess the ergonomic feel of the mouse and I did get wrist ache after a while but like all apple stores I was standing up so it was awkward to use properly, especially as I am tall so I was stooping over the table.

One feature I really did not like was the two finger swipe to go forward or back this was a little clumsy and will take a little practice as the mouse moves sideways unless you grip it between your thumb and little finger. Using it on a mouse mat may well help, the apple guy seemed to have mastered it well so it does work but not that easy to perform.

The construction is something else, it looks and feels something special with its aluminium base and high gloss white translucent plastic finish, really first class. Overall it is very different to any other mouse I have used and will take a bit of getting use to but I will be ordering one today.

NICE. Good review. I can't wait to get one. I first need to do a ram upgrade on my macbook. And a bigger hard drive, but I really want that mouse. : )

[CQd44]

It's a little funny to me how apple is pushing how green their products are but then sell peripherals that use a couple of batteries at a time.

[Cozmo85]

It's a little funny to me how apple is pushing how green their products are but then sell peripherals that use a couple of batteries at a time.

the bluetooth keyboard only requires one battery now, and if its anything like the old mighty mouse you can put one or two batteries in depending on how heavy you want it. It will just last longer with two batteries. Do you want the mouse to be solar powered?

[SLR2009]

With the Magic Mouse will I still be able to bring up Dashboard by clicking down on the mouse like I can with the Mighty Mouse?

Anyone?

[CQd44]

the bluetooth keyboard only requires one battery now, and if its anything like the old mighty mouse you can put one or two batteries in depending on how heavy you want it. It will just last longer with two batteries. Do you want the mouse to be solar powered?

Corded would be nice ;)

[Reiger]

It's a little funny to me how apple is pushing how green their products are but then sell peripherals that use a couple of batteries at a time.

There are also rechargeable battery's :rolleyes:

[MythicFrost]

Will we be able to activate Expose, Desktop Expose and Spaces from the Mouse with preconfigured or configurable gestures?

Kind Regards

[izzle22]

the bluetooth keyboard only requires one battery now, and if its anything like the old mighty mouse you can put one or two batteries in depending on how heavy you want it. It will just last longer with two batteries. Do you want the mouse to be solar powered?

One less battery. All the difference.
The Apple Wireless Keyboard now requires just two AA batteries — one less than the previous model. And its intelligent power management system conserves battery life. So when you’re not using it, the keyboard automatically powers down. The instant you start typing, your keyboard

[a cat *miaow*]

It's a little funny to me how apple is pushing how green their products are but then sell peripherals that use a couple of batteries at a time.

I actually think it's disgraceful rather than funny. This is off topic but I think the amount of battery powered devices available now is terrible. Especially when taking into consideration that these battery driven devices are sat next to a machine that provides a perfect power source.

How much world pollution has been caused in the last few years by the influx of wireless products? Whatever Apple do or any other company do with their 'arsenic free' glass or whatever surely can't offset the amount of damage caused by not offering a wired option to their devices.

Yes lots of people use rechargables but at the end of their life most of these will be in landfill polluting soil. And there's plenty of people who don't use rechargable.

Anyway for all their stances of Apple leaving the chamber of commerce over green issues –*I think a simple thing like only producing wired periphials would be much more beneficial to us all. And anyone who argues that – my desk is cleaner or they like it wireless... well we all have to make sacrifces and having a tiny peice of wire on your desk is hardly a major sacrife is it?

In addition to all of the above. Even if people are using 'safe' batteries – these still have to be manufactured, packaged, shipped and charged with a recharger... and this recharger needs to be manufactured, packaged and shipped.

[Mattie Num Nums]

I actually think it's disgraceful rather than funny. This is off topic but I think the amount of battery powered devices available now is terrible. Especially when taking into consideration that these battery driven devices are sat next to a machine that provides a perfect power source.

How much world pollution has been caused in the last few years by the influx of wireless products? Whatever Apple do or any other company do with their 'arsenic free' glass or whatever surely can't offset the amount of damage caused by not offering a wired option to their devices.

Yes lots of people use rechargables but at the end of their life most of these will be in landfill polluting soil. And there's plenty of people who don't use rechargable.

Anyway for all their stances of Apple leaving the chamber of commerce over green issues –*I think a simple thing like only producing wired periphials would be much more beneficial to us all. And anyone who argues that – my desk is cleaner or they like it wireless... well we all have to make sacrifces and having a tiny peice of wire on your desk is hardly a major sacrife is it?

In addition to all of the above. Even if people are using 'safe' batteries – these still have to be manufactured, packaged, shipped and charged with a recharger... and this recharger needs to be manufactured, packaged and shipped.

Very true this goes around the board. Batteries are one of the worst things we use.

[kennywinker]

haaha!
friggin' crazy. somebody already made a magic mouse ad parody (saw it on macsurfer):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0nvrAwBD3g

[Buzz Bumble]

What about all the 3d and video post production software out there that need three buttons? You do realize that Win needs the right click no more then Mac which = both of them need it badly...

I've been using Apple computers since the days of the Apple ][ and have never found a need to use a right-click on any Mac, let alone more than two buttons. Even the few Windows users I help don't use the right-click.

Everyone is different, so of course there are people who want more buttons, but few of them actually need more buttons and using the OS itself doesn't need more than one. :)

I've also never had a problem with the Mighty Mouse scrollball and don't know of anyone I help who has either.

[cppguy]

to right click you do have to lift your left finger off the left mouse area so not so good for gamers.

This is what I was afraid of. And this cannot be fixed with a software update, because it's an inherent limitation of the design (i.e. single button mouse).

If you have both fingers resting, the mouse can't possibly tell if you clicked with your left or right finger. It only has one button, and the touch sensor sees the exact same image (two fingers down). You gotta release your left finger, so that the touch sensor can tell only the right finger is on the mouse. This is a design issue, and will never be fixed. Not until Apple (or another vendor) comes out with a mouse with two real buttons on it (or a sensor that can discriminate between clicking on the left half vs. right half).

[Bonsai1214]

no third click is a dealbreaker on a 70 dollar product. :(

[CJS7070]

Hmm... I've been looking at getting a Mighty Mouse for my Mac mini for awhile now... Might have to take a little trip to the Apple store and try one of these out.

[Stella]

It's a little funny to me how apple is pushing how green their products are but then sell peripherals that use a couple of batteries at a time.

Ever heard of re-chargable batteries? Granted, they don't last as long as non-rechargable batteries on a single charge.. but still... still better.

Its a real shame that the mouse doesn't support Expose functionality ( at the moment ).

[Jason Beck]

I am going to go green with my 360 gamepad... gonna get meh some rechargable batts someday.

Save on money!
LOL
: p

[Manic Mouse]

Will we be able to activate Expose, Desktop Expose and Spaces from the Mouse with preconfigured or configurable gestures?

Kind Regards

This is what's holding me back from getting one. The Magic Mouse looks really nice, but it seems to have a lot fewer buttons than the Mighty Mouse.

[craig1410]

This is what I was afraid of. And this cannot be fixed with a software update, because it's an inherent limitation of the design (i.e. single button mouse).

If you have both fingers resting, the mouse can't possibly tell if you clicked with your left or right finger. It only has one button, and the touch sensor sees the exact same image (two fingers down). You gotta release your left finger, so that the touch sensor can tell only the right finger is on the mouse. This is a design issue, and will never be fixed. Not until Apple (or another vendor) comes out with a mouse with two real buttons on it (or a sensor that can discriminate between clicking on the left half vs. right half).

Not necessarily - it should be possible to detect which finger is fattest (due to spread caused by downward pressure) and perhaps by comparing that to the size of the finger when the button was not clicked it may be able to distinguish between left and right. I currently use my Mighty Mouse in two button mode and I very rarely fail to get a right click when I want one. I can only imagine that the Magic Mouse is at least as good as the Mighty Mouse in this regard so I expect I'll get on just fine. Having said that, I will be trying before I buy just to be sure and ideally I'll be trying from a seated position to make it realistic.


Craig.

[pooryou]

I noticed that pressing with one finger to the left or two fingers (I am right handed) it is like a left click, to right click you do have to lift your left finger off the left mouse area so not so good for gamers.


Thanks for confirming that this mouse is just as worthless as the Mighty Mouse.

Who the hell wants to their left finger to right click? :mad:
They should have made the surface pressure sensitive if they wanted to use this kind of scheme.

[macintoshtoffy]

What is the battery life with these bluetooth mice? I'm tempted but concerned that a mouse would end up sucking huge amounts of power from it. How many hours of use?

[monk fish]

It's not like Apple are forcing the wireless mouse & keyboard on you.
You do know you can choose to have a WIRED mouse & WIRED keyboard when you build/Configure your system!!!
OK its not a wired magic mouse but the option is there for the greener of people.

[Dry Rot]

Checked it out at the Sydney Apple Store (and the new iMacs). I went there with intention of buying or ordering one.

To be fair, the place was packed, I was standing up and had little time to really play with it and was chatting with two Apple guys about some Time Machine issues.

Like some reviews I've read, I'd give it a mixed review.

General mouse movement/pointing = good. Vertical scrolling = excellent. Left/right two finger swipe = not good, very clunky as the mouse moves around (would probably improve with use). Left/right click = fine for me. Thin/lack of height = not comfortable for me.

While I rarely use Macbooks (and therefore trackpads) I do note that a trackpad is integral to the Macbook and doesn't move around like the new mouse does when double finger swiping.

I left without ordering one, and thought it needed a second longer, relaxed visit to check it out.

My advice to everyone: definitely spend some time trying one before you order one.

Off topic, the new iMacs look very smart.

[weckart]

I also had a play with it yesterday at Regent Street. First thoughts: Why the sharp edge? This just reminded me of the first generation wristcutter Macbook. The Mighty Mouse had at least rounded edges, this seemed to be a step backwards. It felt awkward to hold as you can only grip it with the tip of your fingers and thumb and I cannot imagine anyone putting up with it for a whole day's work.

Scrolling was not smooth as there seemed to be some friction on the surface layer. I tried pinch-zooming in iPhoto, but it only enlarged pictures to full-screen. Resizing wouldn't work. I lost patience with it then so did not test any further.

Someone will love it, I'm sure. Just not me.

[Dry Rot]

Someone will love it, I'm sure. Just not me.

Agreed. It may not be for everybody.

[Detlev]

I actually think it's disgraceful rather than funny. This is off topic but I think the amount of battery powered devices available now is terrible. Especially when taking into consideration that these battery driven devices are sat next to a machine that provides a perfect power source.

How much world pollution has been caused in the last few years by the influx of wireless products? Whatever Apple do or any other company do with their 'arsenic free' glass or whatever surely can't offset the amount of damage caused by not offering a wired option to their devices.

Yes lots of people use rechargables but at the end of their life most of these will be in landfill polluting soil. And there's plenty of people who don't use rechargable.

Anyway for all their stances of Apple leaving the chamber of commerce over green issues –*I think a simple thing like only producing wired periphials would be much more beneficial to us all. And anyone who argues that – my desk is cleaner or they like it wireless... well we all have to make sacrifces and having a tiny peice of wire on your desk is hardly a major sacrife is it?

In addition to all of the above. Even if people are using 'safe' batteries – these still have to be manufactured, packaged, shipped and charged with a recharger... and this recharger needs to be manufactured, packaged and shipped.

Missing the big picture and I would argue not entirely aware of what goes into producing and distributing electricity, unless of course you are totally off grid. Tell us, what have you done to improve the world today? No, really.

[goodwilldrums]

I find I'm always accidentally hitting hot corners. Haven't used hot corners for any extended period of time since about 1999 or 2000 (on a Windows PC). When I've tried the again since, I usually hit them after bringing a video full-screen (especially since Flash players choose to forget to hide the mouse cursor about one in four times, so I need to move it off to the side so it isn't distracting). On the same note, I find the mouse-to-the-side "warp" Spaces / virtual desktops too temperamental to be useful.

Not to say it won't work for you. If you don't actually USE or NEED the third and fourth buttons then obviously it's no big deal that they have gone missing.

For me, though, I had a hard time going from five buttons to four (ended up giving up the desktop expose trigger in favor of keeping app expose for the fourth button) when my ancient MS mouse went south. There's no way I'm going down to two buttons again. It's just stupid.

Note, as suggested elsewhere, if the two-finger swipe actions could be commandeered to act like buttons three and four, I'd be happy. But, until Apple does that via SWUpdate, I'm not spending $70 for an attractive but useless-to-me desktop adornment.


I totally agree. I need my 3rd and 4th buttons.

A deal breaker.

[goodwilldrums]

With the Magic Mouse will I still be able to bring up Dashboard by clicking down on the mouse like I can with the Mighty Mouse?

Anyone??

and I wonder what the mouse system preferences will change to??

I have my middle click to be my 3rd button, and my "squeeze" feature to pull up expose.

you're telling me they're going to take that away?? They're just going to let you change primary and secondary buttons?!?!!
so stupid!!

[a cat *miaow*]

Missing the big picture and I would argue not entirely aware of what goes into producing and distributing electricity, unless of course you are totally off grid. Tell us, what have you done to improve the world today? No, really.

Are you really going to raise the point that powering a device through a computer is more harmful than powering through a battery? Wow. I am completely aware of the costs associated with energy production. I am aslo completely aware of the costs of battery production –*something which you want to conveniantly ignore.

And i'm not going to respond to what I take as a personal attack on what was a question which I raised upon the current electric product market.

[calderone]

Has anyone actually found one of these for sale in the Apple store? I have called the big 3 in the Chicagoland area and they don't have them for sale separately, only with the iMac.

[cppguy]

I currently use my Mighty Mouse in two button mode and I very rarely fail to get a right click when I want one.

I do have a problem with the Mighty Mouse's right click. I think it's pretty arrogant to require people to lift their left finger, considering a second switch could provide a very reliable solution. I have to admit that as a developer I right click a whole lot more than the average user.

The touch scroll is a neat idea, though. Most wheel implementations are very frustrating, with too much mechanical resistance and noise. They don't allow very precise positioning and very fast scrolling at the same time. I can imagine myself scrolling with a touch sensor. Not sure if I could get used to the MM's right click.

[Trek2100]

Tried one today. I really liked it. Easy to use. Loved the scrolling and 2 finger swipe to go back and forth between web pages and in iPhoto. The zoom feature was really cool:cool:. Can't do 3 or 4 finger. Forgot to look at any programming options, my bad. Oh well, it will arrive with my iMac i7. My area stores will not have them for sale for at least another week or more. Said I should order online if I wanted one.

[Jason Beck]

Tried one today. I really liked it. Easy to use. Loved the scrolling and 2 finger swipe to go back and forth between web pages and in iPhoto. The zoom feature was really cool:cool:. Can't do 3 or 4 finger. Forgot to look at any programming options, my bad. Oh well, it will arrive with my iMac i7. My area stores will not have them for sale for at least another week or more. Said I should order online if I wanted one.

I just like it because it is different. And from what all you guys are saying, they work. I really want to go to an apple store and just try one for myself. uGH. The nearest Apple Store is 30 mins away in St. George, Utah. Next time i go there I am trying one for sure!

[apfhex]

The touch scroll is a neat idea, though. Most wheel implementations are very frustrating, with too much mechanical resistance and noise. They don't allow very precise positioning and very fast scrolling at the same time. I can imagine myself scrolling with a touch sensor.
This right here. Despite whatever shortcomings the Magic Mouse has (and to be sure it does have some), I see this as the killer feature. The main reason I can't stand the Mighty Mouse is the nipple. The MX Rev has the best wheel I've used and the Mamba has a nice solid feel but I just find the idea of touch scrolling so appealing.

I wonder, does the momentum scrolling work like on the iPhone, where you can halt the momentum by touching it again, or by leaving your finger on the mouse?

[JimMacFan]

Went to the Apple Store today to look in person, saw the Magic Mouse and played with it for 20 minutes. It's going to be a major fail. This is not a comfortable mouse and is not easy to use at all. In store sales person could not get the backward and forward swipe working and the mouse is plain uncomfortable.

27" iMac gave off more heat than a space heater. Screen was very warm to touch and the entire back of the unit was HOT. I could feel the heat coming off the glass against me.


I canceled my 27" iMac order and am getting the upgraded Mac Mini and using my 24" Dell Ultrasharp monitor.

[starflyer]

I actually think it's disgraceful rather than funny. This is off topic but I think the amount of battery powered devices available now is terrible. Especially when taking into consideration that these battery driven devices are sat next to a machine that provides a perfect power source.

How much world pollution has been caused in the last few years by the influx of wireless products? Whatever Apple do or any other company do with their 'arsenic free' glass or whatever surely can't offset the amount of damage caused by not offering a wired option to their devices.

Yes lots of people use rechargables but at the end of their life most of these will be in landfill polluting soil. And there's plenty of people who don't use rechargable.

Anyway for all their stances of Apple leaving the chamber of commerce over green issues –*I think a simple thing like only producing wired periphials would be much more beneficial to us all. And anyone who argues that – my desk is cleaner or they like it wireless... well we all have to make sacrifces and having a tiny peice of wire on your desk is hardly a major sacrife is it?

In addition to all of the above. Even if people are using 'safe' batteries – these still have to be manufactured, packaged, shipped and charged with a recharger... and this recharger needs to be manufactured, packaged and shipped.

Why don't you lead by example and sacrifice using computers. Oh no! How much electricity are you wasting right now reading this post?

EDIT: Detlev beat me to it.

[SchneiderMan]

Can you use Expose - all windows with it? its very important for me because i use it every few minutes!

Thanks.

[SchneiderMan]

Anyone??

and I wonder what the mouse system preferences will change to??

I have my middle click to be my 3rd button, and my "squeeze" feature to pull up expose.

you're telling me they're going to take that away?? They're just going to let you change primary and secondary buttons?!?!!
so stupid!!

I went to the apple store the is a very simple almost no option interface for the Magic mouse, i forgot to check if its possible to use expose and all that.. ):
Plus i noticed the if you have both clicking fingers on the mouse shell and want to right click with both fingers touching you will not be able to, clicking a right click will only work if non of your other fingers are touching the surface =/ so every time you will have to left up your primary clicking finger!!!!

[Buzz Bumble]

Will we be able to activate Expose, Desktop Expose and Spaces from the Mouse with preconfigured or configurable gestures?

Kind Regards

I didn't have a good look at the Mouse Preferences, but I don't think so (except of course by clicking on the appropriate Dock icon).

I played with a new 27" 3.06GHz iMac this afternoon for a while, and the new Magic Mouse. I've never had any problems with the Mighty Mouse (other than the wireless one weighing a ton), but the new Magic Mouse feels a lot better to use and is less weighty, although the two-finger gestures would take a bit of time to get used to using.

It does have real clicking buttons underneath. The touch pad is only for the gestures.

For some peculiar reason the new 27" iMac itself actually benchmarked with XBench slower than the exiting 24" 3.06GHz iMac in some places.

[Brien]

So no button 3/middle mouse button on the magic mouse? Damn, sorta need that for Maya...

[SchneiderMan]

So no button 3/middle mouse button on the magic mouse? Damn, sorta need that for Maya...

No only right and left buttons.

[amammad]

It's going to be a major fail.

sigh

I played with one for some time yesterday in my local Apple store and I'd hardly say it was a "fail". :rolleyes:

All the controls worked perfectly for me and it looks and feels amazing.

It won't suit everybody but personally I think it's d@mn fine!

[macintoshtoffy]

Once again Mac fan boys don't answer my ******** question regarding battery life.

******** typical.

[gr8tfly]

Once again Mac fan boys don't answer my ******** question regarding battery life.

******** typical.

There was some discussion in this thread: http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8690898&postcount=16

I can't see it being worse than the MightyMouse. It could actually be better, considering it's a more current design.

Nice attitude, btw. I'm surprised anyone answered. Guess I'm in a good mood or something...:rolleyes:

[macintoshtoffy]

There was some discussion in this thread: http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8690898&postcount=16

I can't see it being worse than the MightyMouse. It could actually be better, considering it's a more current design.

Nice attitude, btw. I'm surprised anyone answered. Guess I'm in a good mood or something...:rolleyes:

I want some bloody specifics - how many hours? how long can I use it before I have to recharge the batteries? I asked nicely once, asked again, and ignored - yet people talk utter crap about things UNRELATED TO THE ******** THREAD!

If you want to talk about the pizza you ate on the weekend or what your stupid kids did during the week - piss off to the part of the forum where you can talk about those sorts of things.

[netdog]

Apple says battery life is about 4 months.

[macintoshtoffy]

Apple says battery life is about 4 months.

Praise Jesus, Buddha and Krishna! thank you. Going to get one hopefully soon since my mighty mouse scroll ball is broken and it is impossible to clean it due to it being totally enclosed.

[gr8tfly]

Once again Mac fan boys don't answer my ******** question regarding battery life.

******** typical.

I want some bloody specifics - how many hours? how long can I use it before I have to recharge the batteries? I asked nicely once, asked again, and ignored - yet people talk utter crap about things UNRELATED TO THE ******** THREAD!

If you want to talk about the pizza you ate on the weekend or what your stupid kids did during the week - piss off to the part of the forum where you can talk about those sorts of things.

Wow. Ok. I'll try this again:

If you read the post I linked to, I said about one month on a single battery, which would mean > two months on a pair. That's for a MightyMouse, obviously. Apple says 4 months on a pair of alkaline. The batteries I'm using are hybrids, but they usually don't last as long [per charge] as an alkaline. Therefore, > two months on rechargeable cells is right in the range Apple foresees for battery life.

If you need that in hours, then you can expect something over 1440.

I don't know how much idle/sleep time Apple includes, but in my case I would say there's 8-10 hours of zero use per day, and I never turn the mouse off. During the rest of the time, the mouse sleeps whenever it can to conserve power.

ALL that said, no one has actually RUN a Magic Mouse for more than day or two - no one knows what the actuals will be.

I don't think you will get any more specific answers, at this point in time.

edit: Looks like you got your question answered by a post of the Apple spec. However, that wasn't the question you asked - I tried to give you some actual data and [mistakenly] thought you had read the tech specs from apple.com. Anyway, glad you finally got an answer.

[billysea]

I can't believe there are people that doesn't use shortcuts (3rd or 4th buttons) on mouse nowadays... that's so.... ancient. Floppy-era ancient.

Go search for the expose and space button on the keyboard everytime to switch different window?

[NoSmokingBandit]

Mt mx518 has 8 buttons i can program to anything i want. Going back to 2 buttons on the Magic Mouse would make me feel cramped. I'd have to keep my 518 for gaming anyway because apple still hates the idea of two buttons (so no scope/shooting at the same time. yay!)
THe Magic Mouse seems like a good idea that will work for a niche crowd, but they could greatly expand the uset base by adding a few simple features or tweaks.

[sanPietro98]

I want some bloody specifics - how many hours? how long can I use it before I have to recharge the batteries? I asked nicely once, asked again, and ignored - yet people talk utter crap about things UNRELATED TO THE ******** THREAD!

If you want to talk about the pizza you ate on the weekend or what your stupid kids did during the week - piss off to the part of the forum where you can talk about those sorts of things.

Wow. Chill out.

The thing has only been released for a few days. How do you expect us to tell you how many months it will last?

[Hammy :)]

Does anyone know if Apple will still be selling the Mighty Mouse?

[Jason Beck]

I was just thinking that I wish they had a brushed aluminum mouse.
Come on Apple, Microsoft has one!
http://www.pricebat.ca/Microsoft-Wireless-Laser-Mouse-8000-Bluetooth-W-USB-Adapter-Brushed-Aluminum.p_119289/
Or does Apple have one and I am not seeing it? :(

[moneyman118]

I finally used the magic mouse this morning.... I like it. I did not do the update for it so I could not use all of the gestures. Size is good. I will play with it more on lunch as I work 5 minutes from my home!

The new 21.5 inch iMac is beautiful! I had it next to my soon to be shipped 20" iMac (Early 2009) and the picture blew it away!

[wolfpackfan]

I want some bloody specifics - how many hours?

Wow. That's a great way to get help. Sheesh, what a jerk.

[TheSpaz]

I wonder if there will be a hack to get the inertia scrolling with any mouse (or trackpad). I really want iPhone-like scrolling on my desktop without having to use a Magic Mouse. I don't understand why hardware enables a feature that can be done with software.

[jjxc90]

Are these in the Apple stores yet? Still not convinced I'm ready to give up a physical scroll wheel/ball. Might go stop by today and take a look.

[buyusfear]

Are these in the Apple stores yet? Still not convinced I'm ready to give up a physical scroll wheel/ball. Might go stop by today and take a look.

Yeah, i'll miss having to turn my mouse over every week and rolling it vigorously back and forth over a rag to get only a few extra days out of the wheel before it stops responding again.

If you've used the two finger scroll on a laptop, then this will be even easier.

It's the lack of side buttons that I find to be a letdown.

[Hammy :)]

It's the lack of side buttons that I find to be a letdown.

Exactly what i think, which is why i want to know if apple will still continue with the mighty mouse? anyone know?

[Sweetfeld28]

Exactly what i think, which is why i want to know if apple will still continue with the mighty mouse? anyone know?

Probably not. Why would they?

[slicecom]

I tried this mouse out extensively today. It's a disaster. The forward swipe is impossible to perform without the whole mouse sliding under your hand, and the back swipe takes way more effort than just pressing a button with your finger. I couldn't find a way to do any expose on this mouse, so its actually a step BACKWARDS from the Mighty Mouse. I liked the momentum scrolling and zooming, but I've had that on my Logitech MX Revolution for years.

Do not want.

[Trek2100]

Does anyone know if Apple will still be selling the Mighty Mouse?

The Apple Mouse a.k.a. Mighty Mouse is still in the online store as of this post. My local stores still have some in stock. If you want one I would order it immediately just in case they stop offering it.

[wolfpackfan]

At the Raleigh, NC Apple store all they had was Mighty Mice. I tried to talk to a blue shirt to ask when the new mouse would be available, but nobody would talk to me. I did play with one on display with an iMac and really liked it and plan to get one when they get in stock.

[Eric S.]

The Apple Mouse a.k.a. Mighty Mouse is still in the online store as of this post. My local stores still have some in stock. If you want one I would order it immediately just in case they stop offering it.

It's still an option with news Macs (if you don't want the new mouse), so I wouldn't expect that it will go away any time soon.

[nullx86]

At the Raleigh, NC Apple store all they had was Mighty Mice. I tried to talk to a blue shirt to ask when the new mouse would be available, but nobody would talk to me. I did play with one on display with an iMac and really liked it and plan to get one when they get in stock.

Did you go to Crabtree or Southpoint? They had both Magic and Mighty at Southpoint last night. The Magic Mouse seems just like the Mighty Mouse in terms of it being a mouse. I thought that you could click on the mouse part without having to use the buttons? That was a big letdown for me. That and the pinch to zoom wasnt working for some reason. Also, FYI, Southpoint Apple Employees dont know what the difference is between C2D/C2Q and i5/i7.

[Compile 'em all]

I am still surprised there is no expose' support! :confused:

[gr8tfly]

I can't believe there are people that doesn't use shortcuts (3rd or 4th buttons) on mouse nowadays... that's so.... ancient. Floppy-era ancient.

Go search for the expose and space button on the keyboard everytime to switch different window?

No, I use hot corners for both - I don't need to take my hand off the mouse, and, if I'm dragging something from one window/space to another, it's one complete motion.

[wolfpackfan]

Did you go to Crabtree or Southpoint?

I went to Crabtree. All they had on display was Mighty. They might have had Magic in the back though. But all the blue shirts and orange shirts were busy. I waited around about 5 minutes before my patience ran out. So I left there and went and stood in line at Starbucks for 10 minutes to get a coffee :rolleyes:. I have to go to Southpoint tomorrow morning and will try there. Thanks for the tip.

[SeattleMoose]

Was in the Southcenter Apple store where I used the new Magic Mouse which was tethered to one of the new 27 iMacs (stunning screen....wish I was in the market for one of those too). Anyway, the Magic Mouse was everything I hoped it would be. Felt natural using it, very responsive to finger actions, right/left clicks worked perfectly, etc.

Unfortunately, there were none yet in stock so I'll try again early next week.

My Mighty Mouse track ball got so scuzzed up it couldn't be cleaned anymore. Having an uncleanable ball was a MAJOR DESIGN FLAW. Anyway, when it stopped working I threw it as hard as I could onto the floor and it broke into about a dozen pieces....it felt good to do so. Good riddance to that @#$$% "mighty" mouse.

The Magic Mouse is a "home run" for Apple!!!!!:D

[gehrbox]

The touch surface is involved in clicking, it determines a left or right click. You are right that there is a physical switch underneath however.

The 27" iMac I played with seemed a little sluggish too. I've got a 24" 3.06 iMac at home with SL and it seems faster then the 27" at the store.

It does have real clicking buttons underneath. The touch pad is only for the gestures.

For some peculiar reason the new 27" iMac itself actually benchmarked with XBench slower than the exiting 24" 3.06GHz iMac in some places.

[Buzz Bumble]

I can't believe there are people that doesn't use shortcuts (3rd or 4th buttons) on mouse nowadays... that's so.... ancient. Floppy-era ancient.

Go search for the expose and space button on the keyboard everytime to switch different window?

Personally I find the extra buttons on the Mighty Mouse hugely annoying, especially the "squeeze" button keeping causing Dashboard to unwantedly appear. Every Mac I install one of the first things I do is turn them all off so it becomes a single mouse button (of course I tell the users they can have more and even let them play for a while so they know about them, but most want them turned off).

The Mighty Mouse also has a bit of a bad tendency to right-click when you want a left-click, but that seems to have been fixed with the Magic Mouse.

[gehrbox]

My guess is that folks that are used to large ergo mice with many buttons to chose from will not like the Magic Mouse. I ordered one the day it was announced, but after reading some of the reviews felt like canceling the order.

That was until I got my hands on one at the Apple store. Way way cool. I'll miss the scroll ball button for Expose, but I found the touch scroll a worthwhile trade-off.


sigh

I played with one for some time yesterday in my local Apple store and I'd hardly say it was a "fail". :rolleyes:

All the controls worked perfectly for me and it looks and feels amazing.

It won't suit everybody but personally I think it's d@mn fine!

[Buzz Bumble]

Does anyone know if Apple will still be selling the Mighty Mouse?

It is still available in Apple's online store and you can swap the Magic Mouse for the Mighty Mouse (now called "Apple Mouse") as a build-to-order option.

I would guess that it will be around for a while since Apple hasn't released a wired Magic Mouse (yet?) and some people don't like wireless.

It's the same with the wired 'mini' keyboard and numeric keypad keyboard.


What surprise me a little is that they changed the Apple Remote to black, but left the keyboards and mice (and Mac Mini) as white??

[gehrbox]

Anyone?

Nope

[siddif]

I guess that no-name company can say goodbye to getting any future money on damages for using the Mighty Mouse name.:rolleyes:

Let's see which stupid company comes out of the woodwork to claim the Magic Mouse name. lol :D

That "no name company" is Viacom, MTVs parent company.

Mighty mouse was a funny show growing up such a cheesy super hero show lol

[holden15]

Still waiting for my Apple Store (The Domain) to get them in...

[izzle22]

That "no name company" is Viacom, MTVs parent company.

Mighty mouse was a funny show growing up such a cheesy super hero show lol



Wrong. That's not the "no-name company" that sued Apple for the name Mighty Mouse. It was another "no-named company" that was so no-named I can't remember the name. The lawsuit had nothing to do with the cartoon character and Viacom.

[nullx86]

The touch surface is involved in clicking, it determines a left or right click. You are right that there is a physical switch underneath however.

The 27" iMac I played with seemed a little sluggish too. I've got a 24" 3.06 iMac at home with SL and it seems faster then the 27" at the store.

FYI, the 27" iMac at the store DOES NOT have the i5 or i7, hence the sluggishness. I have a 24" 2.66GHz and I will admit the 27" 3.06GHz was a little slow to respond. I think its mostly from the Demo app that Apple has running on ALL of their products >.<

[Arnel]

I wonder if there will be a hack to get the inertia scrolling with any mouse (or trackpad). I really want iPhone-like scrolling on my desktop without having to use a Magic Mouse. I don't understand why hardware enables a feature that can be done with software.

I don't think you'll see the inertia scrolling coming to a mousewheel anytime soon. It relies on one extra bit of information the touch surface can give: if the finger is still present or not. It's only if you swipe and lift your finger off the surface that the inertia kicks in. If you swipe and leave your finger there then it's still "holding" the scroll view it continues to track your finger. A mousewheel can't tell if you let go or not, and the wheels themselves always seem to be stiff and stop dead even if you flick them, so you can't differentiate between scrolling and flicking.

It might be possible in software for a trackpad, though. Whether they implement it or not is another matter.

N.

[tricapski]

next time

[Buzz Bumble]

FYI, the 27" iMac at the store DOES NOT have the i5 or i7, hence the sluggishness. I have a 24" 2.66GHz and I will admit the 27" 3.06GHz was a little slow to respond. I think its mostly from the Demo app that Apple has running on ALL of their products >.<

When we ran the XBench test we were comparing a 27" iMac 3.06GHz Dual Core (brand new, straight out of the box) with the previous 24" iMac 3.06GHz Dual Core ... the 27" model obtained worse results in some tests, but better results in other tests. Neither machine was running anything else, just XBench. It will be interesting to see official benchmark results though.

[nullx86]

When we ran the XBench test we were comparing a 27" iMac 3.06GHz Dual Core (brand new, straight out of the box) with the previous 24" iMac 3.06GHz Dual Core ... the 27" model obtained worse results in some tests, but better results in other tests. Neither machine was running anything else, just XBench. It will be interesting to see official benchmark results though.

Huh.. ok. Well hopefully we can see what the Official results warrant and whats up with the new iMac being slower...

[scott523]

Tried the magic mouse at the Apple Store at Ardmore, PA and it's was a pretty cool experience. I could imagine using it to play some FPS game. Only lifting your left-click finger is required to right-click which isn't that hard in any case. Now the only thing that isn't going well with me is the price. $69 is a bit too much... should have been around $39, more or less. Might need more time to think and accept the price if I want one.

[Unprocessed1]

Tried the magic mouse at the Apple Store at Ardmore, PA and it's was a pretty cool experience. I could imagine using it to play some FPS game. Only lifting your left-click finger is required to right-click which isn't that hard in any case. Now the only thing that isn't going well with me is the price. $69 is a bit too much... should have been around $39, more or less. Might need more time to think the accept the price if I want one.

$69 is extremely expensive for a mouse, for less than that kind of money you could get a logitech revolution or other premium mouse, but the Magic Mouse has gotten good reviews, so it's clear upgrade over the mighty mouse.

[MorphingDragon]

$69 is extremely expensive for a mouse, for less than that kind of money you could get a logitech revolution or other premium mouse, but the Magic Mouse has gotten good reviews, so it's clear upgrade over the mighty mouse.

A $10 Genius Mouse is an upgrade over the Mighty Mouse.

[ghettochild]

Played around with the Magic Mouse at an Apple store today and I was actually surprised that the Magic Mouse is a pretty decent device. Firstly, I don't mind the size (using a VX Nano now). Scrolling is very nice and effortless. Going back and forth in Safari, Finder etc. worked very well, too. My only gripe is lifting one finger to get the right/secondary click (but I think you could probably get use to that).

[Unprocessed1]

A $10 Genius Mouse is an upgrade over the Mighty Mouse.

Does the Genius Mouse do multitouch zooming? :D

[MorphingDragon]

Does the Genius Mouse do multitouch zooming? :D

By multi touch, do you mean you can use both your fingers while zooming? :rolleyes:

[AL3]

if you [...] want to right click with both fingers touching you will not be able to, clicking a right click will only work if non of your other fingers are touching the surface =/ so every time you will have to left up your primary clicking finger!!!!

True, but try to do so with the Mighty Mouse, it's the same exact thing.
(I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying we should be pretty much used to this by now).. am I right?

[mrl72]

Have these reached the stores yet? I called every one of them in my area yesterday and they were all clueless as to when they were getting them in. Pretty disappointing really.

For those that have tried it out do you think the mouse is any good for graphic work ie photoshop etc.? Or something like a Logitech would be better, and if so which one?

[CQd44]

Is it just me, or does the ability to use pinch gestures on laptops or desktops seem useless? Specifically zooming in and out of pictures.

[jmpage2]

I played with the Magic Mouse at the Apple store last night. Not terribly impressed, especially with the lack of gestures for common things like Expose or Spaces.

The size of it is disappointing too. Looking at the keyboard and mouse you would think that all of Apple's customers are elves.

[Dont Hurt Me]

Been using a Magic mouse for two days and so far I like it much better then the not so mighty mouse. 2 thumbs up for me. Good Job Apple.

[

hostelcaptain]

Been using a Magic mouse for two days and so far I like it much better then the not so mighty mouse. 2 thumbs up for me. Good Job Apple.
I am also very satisfied.Worth every cent

[monk fish]

good news !!! I spoke to a member of staff today at the apple store.
he told me they had a meeting this morning and the magic mouse will be on sale monday morning

[ChazUK]

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I'm going to buy this on payday. I'm so glad my mighty mouse ball crapped out on me now!

[bobbleheadbob]

Have these reached the stores yet? I called every one of them in my area yesterday and they were all clueless as to when they were getting them in. Pretty disappointing really.

I've tried 2 :apple: stores in the Boston area over the past few days with no luck. They've got plenty on display to try out but none for sale.

FWIW, one person I talked to at the :apple: store this morning said to wait until we see a Software Update come out, as that will be required to use the Magic Mouse. That will be a good indication of when they'll be in the stores.

[gusapple]

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I'm going to buy this on payday. I'm so glad my mighty mouse ball crapped out on me now!

I'm in the same boat! When I saw the rumor, I thought that it was an answer to my prayers, then the real thing came out and I'm excited. This is gonna be a good buy.

[Morod]

On the Magic Mouse. I haven't seen any in my area yet, but I want to try one if possible before buying. Good to hear a fair amount of people here are happy with them.

[pumpkin-latte]

I agree...As much as I'd LOVE to get this, if it doesn't have a 3rd and 4th button it's useless to me.

I use my middle scroll ball as a 3rd button to open up new tabs, close tabs, etc.
I use my "squeeze" 4th button to show me all windows in Expose.

anyone else with me??

Yeah, I'm with you on this. I really wanted to purchase the Magic Mouse, but without 3rd and 4th button functionality, it's a step backwards. I use the 3rd button for Expose-Show All Windows, and I use the 4th squeeze button to show Spaces. Those 2 buttons work great together: show Spaces, then show me all windows. Great way to see all my windows in all spaces. Magic Mouse can't do this. I'll have to wait till the next mouse. Sad, cause it probably will take Apple another 3 years to come out w another design. Booooooooooooo.

[NATB100]

I would like to have it, but the price is way to high!

[jmpage2]

Give me a break. There's nothing wrong with the price. Cheezy plastic crapo mouses that are Bluetooth sell for $35-$60 all the time and don't have the superb battery life or the multitouch capability.

What Apple needs to do know is expand the multitouch so we can use custom gestures to open applications, expose, spaces, etc, from the mouse itself.

Maybe a multi-touch keyboard is also in the future.

[gaz617]

I don't think you'll see the inertia scrolling coming to a mousewheel anytime soon. It relies on one extra bit of information the touch surface can give: if the finger is still present or not. It's only if you swipe and lift your finger off the surface that the inertia kicks in. If you swipe and leave your finger there then it's still "holding" the scroll view it continues to track your finger. A mousewheel can't tell if you let go or not, and the wheels themselves always seem to be stiff and stop dead even if you flick them, so you can't differentiate between scrolling and flicking.

It might be possible in software for a trackpad, though. Whether they implement it or not is another matter.

N.

Ever heard of SmartScroll? marcmoini.com/sx_en.html

[gehrbox]

I'd like pinch for graphic detail work and enlarging text. Wish the Magic Mouse supported it without the need to press a key.

Is it just me, or does the ability to use pinch gestures on laptops or desktops seem useless? Specifically zooming in and out of pictures.

[conradzoo]

Love the mouse.

My only gripe is I hate the (mechanical) click sound; wish it was just a tab on the surface, just as the scrolling works, a gentle quite gesture.

[Qwertylizer]

I ordered the mouse today. We'll see when it arrives... hopefully soon.

[CQd44]

Give me a break. There's nothing wrong with the price. Cheezy plastic crapo mouses that are Bluetooth sell for $35-$60 all the time and don't have the superb battery life or the multitouch capability.

What Apple needs to do know is expand the multitouch so we can use custom gestures to open applications, expose, spaces, etc, from the mouse itself.

Maybe a multi-touch keyboard is also in the future.

+1 on the gestures, -1 on the multi-touch keyboard.

[TheSpaz]

So I tried out a Magic Mouse today and I gotta say… I WANT ONE!

A few things to note (for those that don't know)

1. You still have to click down the mouse… there is a mechanical button (like the Mighty Mouse)

2. You have to lift your left finger for a right click (this is NO DIFFERENT than a Mighty Mouse)… it doesn't bother me… I'm used to it.

3. The bluetooth is WAY more responsive than the old bluetooth Mighty Mouse (no idea why it was laggy on the Mighty Mouse).

4. It's VERY LIGHT FEELING! I was surprised… it feels like the normal weight of a wired Mighty Mouse without the WIRE! It's very nice to move around.

I hope I've answered everyone's questions.

[MythicFrost]

1. You still have to click down the mouse… there is a mechanical button (like the Mighty Mouse)

2. You have to lift your left finger for a right click (this is NO DIFFERENT than a Mighty Mouse)… it doesn't bother me… I'm used to it.

3. The bluetooth is WAY more responsive than the old bluetooth Mighty Mouse (no idea why it was laggy on the Mighty Mouse).

4. It's VERY LIGHT FEELING! I was surprised… it feels like the normal weight of a wired Mighty Mouse without the WIRE! It's very nice to move around.

I thought #2 would be a problem, I never knew it was the same on the mighty mouse LOL, my finger automatically comes off when I right click lol.

#1, #3, #4 Good to know!

What about Expose, and Spaces? I have Expose set to the middle button and side buttons for Desktop Expose on my mighty mouse?

[TheSpaz]

I thought #2 would be a problem, I never knew it was the same on the mighty mouse LOL, my finger automatically comes off when I right click lol.

#1, #3, #4 Good to know!

What about Expose, and Spaces? I have Expose set to the middle button and side buttons for Desktop Expose on my mighty mouse?

There is no preference to be able to access Exposé or any other functions with the Magic Mouse.

Also, there's an option to turn off the inertia-scrolling.

[BVeritas]

I've thrown away my mouse and simply use the touchpad.

But, I would welcome a bluetooth touchpad. That would allow for all of the gestures without any need to move a mouse.

[MythicFrost]

There is no preference to be able to access Exposé or any other functions with the Magic Mouse.
That's the killer for me :(

I've thrown away my mouse and simply use the touchpad.
Can you buy an external touchpad to use with your computer? I have a Mac Pro and would be interested in one.

[BVeritas]

Can you buy an external touchpad to use with your computer? I have a Mac Pro and would be interested in one.

That's what I want as well. Seems a shame to not have one available through Apple, all those gestures going to waste.

[craig1410]

That's the killer for me :(


Can you buy an external touchpad to use with your computer? I have a Mac Pro and would be interested in one.

Apple retail stores are stocking the Wacom Bamboo Touch & Pen devices. There are a number of different versions:

See Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c0wB-odBNA

I'm seriously thinking of getting one of these either instead of a Magic Mouse or possibly in addition to.

Craig.

[BVeritas]

Apple retail stores are stocking the Wacom Bamboo Touch & Pen devices. There are a number of different versions:

See Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c0wB-odBNA

I'm seriously thinking of getting one of these either instead of a Magic Mouse or possibly in addition to.

Craig.

Doesn't look like there's a bluetooth version.

[slicecom]

Apple retail stores are stocking the Wacom Bamboo Touch & Pen devices. There are a number of different versions:

See Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c0wB-odBNA

I'm seriously thinking of getting one of these either instead of a Magic Mouse or possibly in addition to.

Craig.

I was thinking about doing the same until I saw that it only works for 2 finger gestures. 3 and 4 finger gestures are not supported on the Bamboo Touches.

[BVeritas]

There are a few wifi touchpad and keyboard apps available for the iPod Touch, but no bluetooth. Also the iPod Touch doesn't sit stable, so it could be a pain.

There are a few wifi touchpad and keyboard apps available for the iPod Touch, but no bluetooth. Also the iPod Touch doesn't sit stable, so it could be a pain.

Just bought the Edovia Touchpad wifi app, will give it a try and let you know.

Just bought the Edovia Touchpad wifi app, will give it a try and let you know.

Had to open up a few ports, but this works great for $2. It's not only a remote touchpad, it's a remote keyboard.

I've got a MacBook 17 that doesn't have all of the gestures, but now I've got them all. Now I'm going to buy a MacMini and use this to control my media center.

There's an app for that!

[Gray-Wolf]

Done ordered my mouse, and hope to have it by wednesday.

[moneyman118]

I set up my new iMac, 21.5", by transferring the date from my old Mac. after doing so my Magic mouse is not so Magic! the touch capabilities do not work and my computer believes that it is the old wireless mighty mouse. How do I get it to work and have my computer recognize it as the Magic Mouse. It worked fine before i added the old data. The new keyboard is messed up too! my up volume is now the widget button and the down volume is expose! Please help! :eek:

Nick

[Gray-Wolf]

You moved the "Settings" from the old computer, which may not be able to run the mouse. Have you updated to Snow leopard?

Try from the settings panel to add the mouse again. It did say you need a mouse installed before setting up magic mouse.

[cppguy]

A mousewheel can't tell if you let go or not

Yes it can, with a flywheel. The Logitech MX has mechanical inertia scrolling, and it works, except it's stiff and makes an exceptionally loud clicking noise. It's not effortless to scroll, I'm not happy with it. I generally prefer digital to mechanical. The touch sensor has the potential to be a lot smoother, not to mention truly 2-dimensional. The Logitech has a traditional right click, and additional buttons, though.

[Wayne s]

I visited the new Apple store in Cardiff today and lost my Apple store virginity, talk about anti climax......I loved the store...and the magic mouse, but they had none in stock. Never mind, had a play on the new 27" imac. Nice machine.

[Buzz Bumble]

When we ran the XBench test we were comparing a 27" iMac 3.06GHz Dual Core (brand new, straight out of the box) with the previous 24" iMac 3.06GHz Dual Core ... the 27" model obtained worse results in some tests, but better results in other tests. Neither machine was running anything else, just XBench. It will be interesting to see official benchmark results though.
Huh.. ok. Well hopefully we can see what the Official results warrant and whats up with the new iMac being slower...

Someone else posted what is probably the answer in another topic. Although technically not running any other applications, the new iMac was probably busy in the background doing the initial Spotlight indexing and/or checking for updates. That makes sense to me. :)

[Buzz Bumble]

I visited the new Apple store in Cardiff today and lost my Apple store virginity, talk about anti climax......I loved the store...and the magic mouse, but they had none in stock. Never mind, had a play on the new 27" imac. Nice machine.

The Magic Mouse may not be in stock until Apple has the extra system download / update that is needed for older Macs to use the mouse. :)


A note for those wanting to try out the Magic Mouse
I've noticed some stores here are putting out the new demo iMacs still with the old Mighty Mouse instead because the Magic Mouse is too easy to steal. If you want to try out the Magic Mouse you may have to ask staff to get one for you. It may only be a temporary measure until they open up some Magic Mice to put electronic theft deterents inside them.