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arn
Jul 20, 2002, 11:56 PM
Apple Security Update 7-18-02 (http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n75304)

Security Update 7-18-02 delivers a more secure Software Update service, as well as an updated Software Update command line tool, to verify that future updates originate from Apple. If you would prefer to download this manually from a secure Apple server you can download the package at www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n75304


As previously rumored (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/07/20020718194227.shtml)...

MhzDoesMatter
Jul 21, 2002, 12:12 AM
Oh dear....Its free...It has featurers we all want.... It even works on iBooks.... Now what will the children have to complain about?


Truth Hertz.....

j763
Jul 21, 2002, 02:13 AM
i would strongly advise against using Software Update anyways. Get all your updates from http://www.apple.com/swupdates instead. That way, if you get a corrupt download, it doesn't screw your system and you can resume downloads!

ShaolinMiddleFinger
Jul 21, 2002, 02:34 AM
Didn't we just get a security update last week? Man, OS X is coming close to XP's security update times.... at least once every week. I would still rely on my macintosh more than my pc, though.:)

beatle888
Jul 21, 2002, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by MhzDoesMatter
Oh dear....Its free...It has featurers we all want.... It even works on iBooks.... Now what will the children have to complain about?


Truth Hertz.....


THIS SHOULD OF BEEN HERE ALONG TIME AGO....

j763
Jul 21, 2002, 03:19 AM
Originally posted by ShaolinMiddleFinger
Didn't we just get a security update last week? Man, OS X is coming close to XP's security update times.... at least once every week. I would still rely on my macintosh more than my pc, though.:)

You have to remember that Apple has had OSX out since 2001, where M$ have had win95 out since 1995 and they're still posting updates for 9x.

drastik
Jul 21, 2002, 03:24 AM
you should all remember that OS X is up for security review for gov't application, security is king

PrettyMan
Jul 21, 2002, 06:59 AM
Perhps they are doing a lot of changes because they are plannig to start a pay4update service ?

Uhmm, it sounds possible...

Super Johnson
Jul 21, 2002, 10:42 AM
Maybe something such as XP in the Monthly Checkup! If yah didn't pay for OS X, Apple will make you pay for it!

As for the $129 for upgrading to OS X 10.2? Screw you Apple, I am not going to pay for it, but I can tell you I am getting it. If you charged $29.99 for it, definitely would pay for it. What you trying to do? Just because you edited the X on the box, we need to pay for it? Yeah right. How about 10 cents per new feature, *******s.

What do you think we are? Rich people!

Longey Nowze
Jul 21, 2002, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Super Johnson
Maybe something such as XP in the Monthly Checkup! If yah didn't pay for OS X, Apple will make you pay for it!

As for the $129 for upgrading to OS X 10.2? Screw you Apple, I am not going to pay for it, but I can tell you I am getting it. If you charged $29.99 for it, definitely would pay for it. What you trying to do? Just because you edited the X on the box, we need to pay for it? Yeah right. How about 10 cents per new feature, *******s.

What do you think we are? Rich people!

you want something for free get linux... don't steal software... and what do you expect? do you want them to give it to you for free??!! they need to make money! to make things better!!

THANK YOU
MaT

Super Johnson
Jul 21, 2002, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by Longey Nowze


you want something for free get linux... don't steal software... and what do you expect? do you want them to give it to you for free??!! they need to make money! to make things better!!

THANK YOU
MaT

Ok,

Mac OS X 10.0 = Just a Beta, but they had to meet the deadline.
Mac OS X 10.1 = Close to Final, almost like a Preview Version
Mac OS X 10.2 = Mac OS X GM, with a fancy box to top it of

How's that. Apple didn't give Mac Users much when they released Mac OS X 10.0, it was basically a beta version. Why should we have to pay for it? It was unoptimized, and real slow. You know that if you ever used it. It lacked a lot of features, and nevertheless dissapointed just about everyone. Then when Mac OS X 10.1 was released people where very happy on the improvement, but it still lacked a lot of features, such as spring-loaded folders, sound sets, compatibilty with hardware, and a bunch of other stuff. The Quartz engine wasn't so fast, except for window resizing. But for Alphaed windows, and such, it was still sluggish, try it yourself.

Mac OS X 10.2 is what we should've gotten in the first place when Mac OS X was released. A lot of people with iMacs where left behind to eat dust and bugs just because Apple refused to optimize their OS to fit those people's needs. This included G3 Macintoshes, which made that guy file a lawsuit against Apple because of the lack of support for G3 Macs.

oldMac
Jul 21, 2002, 02:42 PM
Is it higher than I'd like? Yes.
Is it too high for what it delivers? No.

If you're dissatisfied with the cost of the upgrade, don't upgrade! Even better, switch to something p$eudo-free (aka Linux) or to something else that's not free (Windows) and graze on the greener grass for a while.

If you feel that you've somehow been cheated by Apple in the past, you should:

1) Certainly not do business with them in the future
2) Do something constructive to remedy the situation. The following are suggestions:

a) Write a letter to Apple indicating your displeasure. Letters can be very powerful when they are logical and sincere. Don't let your emotions get the best of you.

b) Get together with a lawyer and file a class-action lawsuit. If you and thousands of others have truly been cheated, there is a lawyer (and a judge) out there who would like to help you. Please be sure to specify exactly how you have been cheated. (Warning, this may require thought, logic and reason.)


To say that you're going to steal the upgrade shows the following:

1) You're ignorant
- These groups are not anonymous should someone decide to subpoena...

2) You're ignorant
- Software costs a lot of money to produce and companies have to charge for it should they desire to stay in business.

Taking these two points together, it is clear that you are probably a kid and I can offer the following experience-based advice.

1) Nothing is free
- You're either paying for it in some other way (and often paying more) or the thing will cease to be free because the company that offered it will go out of business.

2) Never spout off in a public forum (or even a private one for that matter) and suggest that you are going to do something illegal, rash, etc. It makes you look ignorant, out-of-control, and in the worst case scenario, you may be held responsible for it.

~/indigo
Jul 21, 2002, 02:52 PM
I find it funny that so many people have this odd notion of a "beta" OS. You somehow think that operating systems are ever finished. If you were a developer you would see what I mean. The OS X PB was really quite good. It did what I wanted it to do at the time (but the final was definitely better).
Then came OS 10.0 and you people were whining about how it was a "second beta" when I (and many of the people I knew) thought it was the best thing out there (but it paled in comparison to 10.1).
Then came 10.1 and we were very amazed that in such a short time the OS had come so far. From the ground-breaking paradigms introduced in the public beta and the polishing of 10.0 to this truly astounding system in so little time. And what's more, we got all of them for only $129 (US).
Now we are looking at OS 10.2 which is similarly amazing. The concepts behind Quartz Extreme are things that nobody else in the industry is even close to having. The plethora of network protocols supported even comes close to one-upping Linux (equal in number but superior in implementation) and leaves Windows so far in the distance that they are a dot on the horizon. (Note I am not trying to start a fight between OS X and Linux like so many /. articles - I really like both)

I find this funny since we have come so far in so short a time yet you people complain. I am also surprised by the way that may of you people seem to wording your complaints in such a way that if Apple called this OS 10.5 or 11 you would gladly pay. You are Mac Users, damnit! We are supposed to be smarter than that!
Also the constant complaints that Apple wants you to pay for an upgrade "already" since OS X is so young. This is pathetically counter-intelligent. You seem to think that if Apple can give us such dramatic revisions, it should take them longer in order to be worth paying for. Can anyone explain that one to me?

You are also forgetting something: YOU DON'T HAVE TO UPGRADE!

I am with you guys in complaining about .Mac but paying for 10.2 seems perfectly fair to me.

But that is just me,
Jeff.

Super Johnson
Jul 21, 2002, 02:59 PM
I am upgrading, just not paying for it.

ShaolinMiddleFinger
Jul 21, 2002, 04:15 PM
I'm gonna be paying only $69, that price, for myself, is worth it. But they better have tested it for bugs before we get it. I can see it now.... "10.5, new features and we solved all the bugs of 10.2!"