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kant
Jul 22, 2004, 11:59 PM
Hey all.

I just lost a uni help desk job offer to the other person due to lack of Mac knowledge, so I'm finally taking the plunge and need some advice. Going to go for a laptop and replace my compaq wintel machine. I'm looking to spend ~700 tops. Prefer less of course. :) But willing to pay a little more for the 'right' machine.

Absolute requirements:
14" min screen; will not bother with a 12". TFT of course.
at least 128mb, prefer =>256
optical drive (internal or external)
modem/network
certain amount of software with it

preferred but not necessary:
cd-rw
dvd
wireless

questions:

1. iBook or PowerBook? Why? I notice (ebay) that iBook price vs. mhz is a little better than the powerbook. But I'm sure there are differences. :)

2. Spend less now on a learner machine? One thought that occurs to me is to buy a Lombard or Pizmo just to learn on for now.

3. G3 or G4? Or is this covered in question 1?

4. Get one setup to dual boot 9 and 10 for learning purposes? I.e. are their usability differences between them? (Keeping in mind that uni help desk job.)

5. All the other questions I'm too dumb to know to ask.

Thanks.

jsw
Jul 23, 2004, 12:15 AM
Too bad you don't want a 12" screen - you can get this:
iBook G4 800MHz/128MB/30GB/CD-ROM/E/56K/12" TFT-Refurbished
for $749 from Apple itself (http://store.apple.com, then click on the "Special Deals" in the left-hand column).

Remember, you can attach a larger monitor, and the 12" screen is actually pretty sharp.

To answer your questions:

(1) iBook, if you're looking for a lower price; they're just as good to learn on, and nice systems.

(2) Lombard/Pismo is really slow on OS X (I have a Lombard). Usable, but not all that great.

(3) G4, because G3's don't let you do some of the GUI tricks.

(4) For a help desk, I guess OS 9 would be nice to boot into, but increasingly less necessary.

(5) Other things:

256MB is a bare minimum. Period. 512 is much better. Yeah, it will boot with 128MB, but you will wish it had more. Really.

Make sure you get at least OS 10.2 (Jaguar), although Panther is preferable.

Good luck! Keep us posted with what you actually buy!

kant
Jul 23, 2004, 01:22 AM
Remember, you can attach a larger monitor, and the 12" screen is actually pretty sharp.
...

256MB is a bare minimum. Period. 512 is much better.



Hmm. After looking at this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=79836) and having to agree with a couple of good points in there, I would be willing to consider a 12".

1. How much smaller is the keyboard? I don't have huge hands, but they are a little large.

2. With an iBook can you span across screens when connected to the external monitor or is it just mirror only? (seems I read that somewhere.)

kant
Jul 23, 2004, 01:23 AM
and thanks for the reply/advice. :)

Coca-Cola
Jul 23, 2004, 01:46 AM
I think you could get your hands on a revision A 12" powerbook 867 mhz G4. I got a sweet deal on mine and they even have better deals now. Pretty good machine. I even play first person shooters with no problems.

MacFan26
Jul 23, 2004, 02:08 AM
1. How much smaller is the keyboard? I don't have huge hands, but they are a little large.

2. With an iBook can you span across screens when connected to the external monitor or is it just mirror only? (seems I read that somewhere.)

1. As far as I know, the keyboard on the 14" is the same one on the 12". There's just extra space around the edges on the 14" and the keyboard comes right up to the edge on the 12".

2. Yep, it can span across screens (as least I think so, this isn't a powerbook only thing is it??)

intrepkid21
Jul 23, 2004, 07:36 AM
an iBook can span if you use a hack on the firmware..browse the other threads on the topic :)

jsw
Jul 23, 2004, 08:23 AM
an iBook can span if you use a hack on the firmware..browse the other threads on the topic :)

Ypu can get the hack here (http://www.rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/ibook_e.html). I've used it on my iMac. It works!

JzzTrump22
Jul 23, 2004, 08:56 AM
I would say your going to have to get a 12" model if you want to go el cheapo. There aren't many deals out there for 700$ that are bigger then 12". Go on apple and look at the special deals page.

kant
Jul 24, 2004, 07:43 PM
Just bought a G4 800mhz iBook on ebay. might as well post the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5110859912

Two questions:

That's a fair price I think; what do y'all say? A refurb from apple is $749, but this one has the additional 256mb and twice the hard drive space while only losing <2 months on the warranty. (Gawd I love transferable warranties.)

The book in the picture: any of you recognize that one? 'Cause I'm for damned sure going to need one. or two. or three....

I'm very familiar and comfortable in the windows environment and know hardware well. But I have zero mac experience and damn little linux; I've installed a couple of linux distros and looked around, but that's it for linux.

Any suggestions for a beginner Apple book that will actually be useful and not a paperweight after two weeks?

thanks for the advice already give folks. appreciate it.

Brother Michael
Jul 24, 2004, 08:55 PM
That is a nice system. I mean I got half that system (actually about a 1/3 of that system) for a little more than half that. (here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5110359349 ) You will be able to do just about everything you need to, to learn about Mac.

I was a devout Windows/Linux user, but after I used a Powermac with OSX at school, I fell in love with Apple computers. Just remember that to close a window you go to the little red circle and it becomes an "X" (seriously I have met people who freaked out about that.)

As for the book, haven't seen it. Read it and give us a review! :D

Mike

+EDIT+ Upon comparing it to mine, you got the better deal.

jsw
Jul 24, 2004, 09:15 PM
"Ships with Microsoft Office, and Adobe Photoshop CS, Illustrator CS installed, no media."

Ah, even comes with warez.... ;)

Excellent price on the system. I hope it arrives safely!

kant
Jul 24, 2004, 09:21 PM
+EDIT+ Upon comparing it to mine, you got the better deal.


You didn't do badly at all. Most every other 600mhz have been going for ~640 to 700.

Brother Michael
Jul 24, 2004, 09:30 PM
You didn't do badly at all. Most every other 600mhz have been going for ~640 to 700.

hmm...you know something, your right! Damn straight I got a good computer. Actually, funny stroy behind it. I was just scanning eBay, and saw it had <1 minute left. So I thought "ahh, what the heck why not?" set my max bid at 500. Before I knew it, I was the proud new owner of it. Weird, yet somehow I knew that was how I would find my Mac.

Mike

Coca-Cola
Jul 24, 2004, 11:28 PM
Good machine. I hope it works very well for you. Enjoy.

kant
Aug 3, 2004, 09:21 AM
Aug 3, 2004

7:18 A.M.

OUT FOR DELIVERY


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