Magic Mouse = ****?

[fourcolourblack]

I've put this in the design threads for a reason.

Got a new iMac at work, and I lasted about 5 minutes with the new Magic Mouse and tiny keyboard. This has to be the least design conscious design decision apple have ever made reducing the keyboard size and removing the mouse third button.

I couldn't figure out have to do a forced line break in InDesign due to the bottom right key not being there anymore. Also, the default shortcut to select all text below isn't possible because of this missing.

The third mouse button was probably just to my tastes, but this scrolling surface is just rubbish. The ball is accurate and lets you scroll side to side with one finger. I just found the new mouse encourages you to half remove your hand and swipe with two fingers.

Anyone else perfectly happy with their full sized keyboard and mighty mouse?

[Blue Velvet]

I use a full-sized keyboard. Having access to keyboard shortcuts and keys for special formatting characters including the keypad is crucial, particularly for Quark or InDesign. My desk is a bit messy, anyway, so extra cables don't worry me.

Same with mice; the Apple Pro mouse is still my mouse of choice. Large, single button that doesn't leave my wrist aching after a few hours, using keyboard shortcuts with my left hand instead of contextual menus. So I bought a few of these on eBay to keep myself going for a while. In my last job, not one of the three designers, nor any of the temps we used to get in, liked the Mighty Mouse either. The Magic Mouse looks to me like another great idea that might favour certain uses over others, design work not being one of them, although I must confess that I haven't yet used one.

If I had to use one of the new iMacs, I'd replace both keyboard and mouse immediately. You go with what works to get stuff done, not what Apple thinks looks sharp in the showroom.

[MattSepeta]

Very disappointed. I went into an apple store to try the new mouse out, and I could barely stand having my hand on it.

I absolutely love my mighty mouse though. Even with the scroll ball issue, It is sooo easy to fix when it gets clogged up, just turn the mouse upside down and drag it all over some clean paper, and the paper pulls out the gunk.

Losing the side click is a fail.
Losing middle press button is a fail
No scroll ball is a fail

Small stupid keyboard with no number pad is a huge fail.

Less is not always more.

Correct me if im wrong, but they never had a wireless keyboard with a number pad?

WHY NOT

[Gav2k]

Very disappointed. I went into an apple store to try the new mouse out, and I could barely stand having my hand on it.

I absolutely love my mighty mouse though. Even with the scroll ball issue, It is sooo easy to fix when it gets clogged up, just turn the mouse upside down and drag it all over some clean paper, and the paper pulls out the gunk.

Losing the side click is a fail.
Losing middle press button is a fail
No scroll ball is a fail

Small stupid keyboard with no number pad is a huge fail.

Less is not always more.

Correct me if im wrong, but they never had a wireless keyboard with a number pad?

WHY NOT

Battery life is why simple as that. Users that need a numberpad offen use spreadsheets etc where you would be inputting alot of data. So you would be killing a set of batteries a day.

[weckart]

Battery life is why simple as that. Users that need a numberpad offen use spreadsheets etc where you would be inputting alot of data. So you would be killing a set of batteries a day.

Nah. I have the full size bluetooth keyboard, spend most of my time on spreadsheets and it does not eat batteries that drastically. It is just Apple's current obsession with size zero everything.

If Apple wants to conserve even more power, it should bite the bullet and produce an RF keyboard. Bluetooth is less efficient and pairing can be an irritation at times.

[Flynnstone]

Small stupid keyboard with no number pad is a huge fail.

Less is not always more.

Correct me if im wrong, but they never had a wireless keyboard with a number pad?

WHY NOT

I have the older white wireless keyboard with numeric pad. Battery life is fine.

I bought an iMac a few months ago athe Apple store. It came with the silly little keyboard. I said I wanted the numeric keypad one. They effectively gave it to me.

I have both the wireless & wired mighty mouse connected to my iMac. I tend to prefer the wired. Its lighter and better response.

[Angelo95210]

I don't like Apple's input devices. I am typing on this flat keyboard and I hate it. It's hard as rock below my fingers. I miss the white keyboard. And Logitech's mice are the best everybody agrees on that. I mean on the usability.

[fourcolourblack]

Shame there's just us few who feel this way about it. I did try using it for another hour or so after the first post, it was still awful.

The biggest issue was zooming in InDesign though. InDesign fair enough, not as smooth as the way Photoshop zooms in as its handling lots more usually but with the new mouse it was almost delayed. I couldn't help but think it reminded me of the way it looks in Time Machine, that half second delay when you click and earlier finder window.

Yeah its a nice effect but it just needs to zoom in and out exactly when I need it to.

I wonder if there are any wireless Might Mouses out there in clearance. I'd consider stocking up. I think there should be a choice to have the wired full sized keyboard for free. Silly to take this away.

[kylos]

My brief experience in-store: I liked the scrolling, best of trackpad and mouse. However, I found the backward and forward gestures to be extremely awkward. I had difficulty swiping while holding the mouse, moving only my fingers , but when I tried to release the mouse to free my wrist for the motion, the swipe would not register if I used too soft a swipe or I would end up pushing the mouse across the desk if I used to hard a swipe. I couldn't consistently produce a good swipe. No comment on the loss of a third button as I haven't used that feature.

[brad.c]

Battery life is why simple as that. Users that need a numberpad offen use spreadsheets etc where you would be inputting alot of data. So you would be killing a set of batteries a day.

That doesn't make sense. Spreadsheet apps hold no monopoly on keystrokes, nor does having more keys equal more power consumed.

Being in a design thread, I add that I use the numpad on my white extended BT keyboard for InDesign keyboard shortcuts. I dread the day it gives up the ghost.

[macminz]

I've put this in the design threads for a reason.

I couldn't figure out have to do a forced line break in InDesign due to the bottom right key not being there anymore. Also, the default shortcut to select all text below isn't possible because of this missing.
Anyone else perfectly happy with their full sized keyboard and mighty mouse?

Which key is missing from the wireless keyboard? Ive had a mini apple keyboard for a good 6months and its dead nice. I like it alot.

As for the magic mouse, Ive just got it tonight and had a quick play around first and wasnt keen on the shape. But after 2 and half hours rehashing a website, Im not to bothered by the shape.. just gotta get used to the shape of it. I was so used to a mighty mouse but the scroll ball was absolute shocking on that. The amount of crap that got inside never to be seen again!!! Yes Yes Ive read all the threads, tips and watched the videos to clean it.... Doesnt work in my eyes!!

The magic mouse is growing on me....

[maclook]

people don't like the keyboard? i love it. isn't it the exact same as macbook keyboards? its the most beautiful keyboard ive ever seen and it's functional. i dont really feel like you can mess up a keyboard. the magic mouse, however, i can see it not being so successful for design purposes. i have to try it out for myself though. it would look sexy on my desk

[ezekielrage_99]

Apple input devices are like communism, on paper they sound great but in reality they suck balls...

I had so much expectation for the new Apple Mouse, but after trying in the Sydney Apple store I was bitterly disappointed. Another sucky Apple mouse...

The mouse really doesn't feel right, and the tactileless response from the mouse is just plain bad industrial design. I feel the mouse it just trying to be too smart for it's own good.

Well it looks like I'll stick with my Razor Diamondback...

[maclook]

quick questions for anyone who tried it:
does the 360 pan work in documents like a photoshop file?
do you have to lift your right finger to left click or vice versa?

[Andrew Henry]

I went to the Apple store yesterday specifically to try out the Magic Mouse, I like it a lot, everything seems to move smoothly for me, and I would have bought one if they had them in stock, the only issue I have is that even after turning the speed all the way up, it still doesn't track fast enough for me, I have my mice set very high because moving back and forth across 2 monitors can really be a pain sometimes.

[Aniday]

quick questions for anyone who tried it:
does the 360 pan work in documents like a photoshop file?
do you have to lift your right finger to left click or vice versa?

Dunno about photoshop but yes, you do have to lift a finger to right click. I think left clicks register fine with two fingers resting on it.

I don’t think it’s worth the price if the mouse doesn’t do exposé. When I was demoing it I kept wanting to do some swipe for exposé like a trackpad.

[IgnatiusTheKing]

Just to be clear (in regards to the OP), you CAN still get the extended, wired keyboard with the purchase of an iMac.

[inkhead]

If you spend 90% of your life on a unibody or macbook pro with giant touchpad and do design, this mouse is a must. If you work at a desk with a regular mouse it's going to take you a while to adjust, and by a while, I mean 30 days.

It took me that long to get used to unibody trackpad vs. old school style.

I work in pixel perfect design details all day and I prefer the trackpad on my 17" unibody to any mouse any day of the week, and I'm deadly accurate. This is the first mouse that allows me to keep that accuracy and not have to have the freaking MacBook Pro in front of my 30 screen.

Point is, if you don't use a unibody trackpad, you're gonnna need 30 days to adjust to this mouse.

[chaosbunny]

I don't care for the mighty or magic mouse - or any mouse, I only use my wacom A4 tablet for ergonomic reasons and precision. It took some time to get used to it but now I like it far better than any mouse now.

But I appreciate the small keyboard, because with a larger one and the big tablet next to it I sometimes had to stretch my arms a bit to reach for shortcuts while navigating on the tablet.

To each their own I guess.

[gjw4u]

Just to be clear (in regards to the OP), you CAN still get the extended, wired keyboard with the purchase of an iMac.
You can also choose the Mighty Mouse (you even pay less) if you oder your iMac online.

[ManuelGnR]

You can also choose the Mighty Mouse (you even pay less) if you oder your iMac online.

Here in the Netherlands, it makes no difference whether you choose wired/wireless keyboard and Magic/Mighty mouse. At least not in price, only in shipping dates.

Sadly.

[bbotte]

Apple makes nothing that can replace my Logitech MX1000 Laser rechargeable. Why would I buy a mouse or half keyboard I have to feed them batteries? :mad: I use the full Apple USB keyboard.

[LERsince1991]

went to buy a magic mouse, tried it out and its impossible to use!

bare in mind im currently using a mouse and a macbook trackpad so it should have been the perfect bridge between them. It just doesnt work for me...
I'm normally very eager to try new tech and give it a chance but... just NO :(
Off to buy a mighty mouse for me for much much less lol

[dazey]

I detest the new slim keyboards and their short travel keys. I had a standard mac keyboard die on me and had to replace it, I tried the new slim (wired and with numeric keypad) and I could stand it for about a day. I ended up sourcing an old white pro keyboard (g4 era) and did a direct swap with someone. I still wish I kept my old keyboard from the 512se (which I used on an SE30)

[Thanatoast]

Just bought a magic mouse last night and have been using it all day. I'm only a casual user, but I've had no problems adjusting. one thing I notices was that the mouse I took home didn't have the same feel, because, I assume, it didn't have everybody's grimy hands all over it. Scrolling, clicking and tracking re fine.

I do agree, however, that a full wireless keyboard should be an option. Give me my number pad!

[mac2x]

I cannot be without my numeric keypad. I use Finale 2009 for my music composition, and the keypad is central to input from the keyboard since you select note values and whatnot from it. So I will only use the USB keyboard. FWIW, it's the best keyboard I have ever used. Can't stand the deep travel of keys on other keyboards anymore.

As for the mouse, here's how I see it.

Mighty Mouse:

Pros: Side buttons, nice round shape, scroll ball feels more familiar to a lot of users.

Cons: Mainly the scroll ball gets dirty, but that's an easy fix. Still annoying.

Magic Mouse: (After one use, mind you)

Pros: No scroll ball to get dirty, very beautifully made, support for momentum scrolling.

Cons: A little too flat for my tastes (still comfortable though), no side buttons (yet; don't know if there are sensors that just aren't utilized yet), gestures will feel weird to anyone not used to a multi touch trackpad, wireless only.

[BrianKonarsMac]

i hate apple's keyboard and mice.

i use a wireless full size microsoft keyboard, and a wireless 7 button mouse with hyperscroll and thumb wheel. far better input options than what apple offers.

[janitorC7]

Dunno about photoshop but yes, you do have to lift a finger to right click. I think left clicks register fine with two fingers resting on it.

I don’t think it’s worth the price if the mouse doesn’t do exposé. When I was demoing it I kept wanting to do some swipe for exposé like a trackpad.

No, no you dont. I just tried it myself and I had no problem right clicking with both fingers on the mouse.

As for expose, I immagine that this may be possible in the future

I cannot be without my numeric keypad. I use Finale 2009 for my music composition, and the keypad is central to input from the keyboard since you select note values and whatnot from it. So I will only use the USB keyboard. FWIW, it's the best keyboard I have ever used. Can't stand the deep travel of keys on other keyboards anymore.

As for the mouse, here's how I see it.

Mighty Mouse:

Pros: Side buttons, nice round shape, scroll ball feels more familiar to a lot of users.

Cons: Mainly the scroll ball gets dirty, but that's an easy fix. Still annoying.

Magic Mouse: (After one use, mind you)

Pros: No scroll ball to get dirty, very beautifully made, support for momentum scrolling.

Cons: A little too flat for my tastes (still comfortable though), no side buttons (yet; don't know if there are sensors that just aren't utilized yet), gestures will feel weird to anyone not used to a multi touch trackpad, wireless only.

I didnt like how flat it was at first, but now I love its design. I honestly feel like its the best mouse I have ever used. Mind you I'm coming from a Logitec MX Revolution. This mouse is elegant, tracks amazingly, and the way it handles scrolling. especially with the software is really intuitive. It feels just like my iphone.

[SingaporeStu]

As far as I can tell, Apple allows customers to opt for the full-sized USB keyboard with numeric keypad and Mighty Mouse (now renamed Apple Mouse) for free. ie: trade down for free. Apple isn't forcing their Magic Mouse or Bluetooth keyboard down your throat.

Dissing the Magic mouse for something it wasn't designed for is pointless. There are, of course, people who liked (indeed loved) Apple's older mouses for whatever purpose they served. Apple, however, needed a brand-new, revolutionary mouse to 1) counter the majority public perception that Apple make lousy mice. 2) Showcase their collective know-how in multi-touch technology 3) Launch a product nobody else even properly conceptualized, much less bring to market.

Apple figures the large majority of customers will be quite pleased with the Magic Mouse (or at least they can't be less pleased than they are with the Mighty Mouse).

Those who aren't would likely have found their own solutions anyway (ie: 3-rd party mice & keyboards) and would likely stick to them for their particular applications.

So, for those of us who like it (or love it), GREAT! For those of us who don't, sorry. Can't please everyone, I guess. On the same token, most standard PC keyboards & mice don't exactly excite the way Apple's do (I'm taking about the ones that come bundled with your computer)

Just my 2 cents worth.

[iorangutan]

The Magic Mouse - my quick review...

The Good :) :

It's looks - stunning
Tracks Smoothly (The Mighty Mouse was terrible)
Pairs easily
Multi-touch is great


The Bad:( :

No Middle Click - I use this function all the time browsing
Tracks far too slow with two screens - unbearable. Installed third-party Mouse Zoom, which helps a lot, and am waiting for USB Overdrive to be updated (Can still fix this Apple - as it's just a software issue)
Could have done with being USB rechargeable rather than AA's


The Ugly :mad: :
Not very Ergonomic - My hand hurts a lot in several different places after using it for an hour or two - might have to consider going back to my Logitech.

[fourcolourblack]

momentum scrolling.



Oooohhhh. Is that what this is? Momentum scrolling. I actually though it was the way I had it setup by mistake or something.

This is what I was fiercely against.

With the scroll bar I know I can scroll into 100%, 400%, anything. With the magic mouse I was finding it impossible to gauge the pressure to hit a desired zoom depth. Its just not accurate.

I've actually had two Might Mouse replacements under warranty. I've seen the videos, got the cleaning cloth, done everything. Sometimes, the scroll ball itself actually goes dead and no matter how well you clean it its gone. I'm not sure what I keep doing to break them but I'm on 3 in the last 18 months now.

I love the mighty mouse, but they really should make it take-apart-able.

[sunnybeach1999]

I couldn't figure out have to do a forced line break in InDesign due to the bottom right key not being there anymore.

I am not exactly sure what the bottom right key is but you can do all the key commands on a laptop keyboard.

Forced line break = Shift Return
Column Break = fn Return
Frame Break = fn shift Return

Enjoy.

[bman07]

I brought my magic mouse at the Apple store in Ginza - Tokyo, Japan, 2 days ago.
First impressions: It's a delightful piece of industrial design. The weight feels great. I love the scrolling function: I can run my finger 3/4 the length of the mouse to scroll through internet pages and documents. The 360 degree scrolling on documents works very well. (And no cleaning of the wretched magic mouse nipple! I brought two of these and ended being very frustrated with the clogging of the nipple)
Just like the Mighty Mouse the left and right buttons work very well. I've found the tracking of the Magic mouse to be better. The tracking is very good.

I consider myself to be a poweruser. I've used the magic on Sketchup works flawlessly. Same on ArchiCAD, however since there is now third button, I've programmed my keyboard spacebar to be used for pan.

Ergonomics I have yet to come across problems, for me. Yes it's not the most comfortable mouse to hold, but I've used so called ergonomic mice before and found them to be clumsy as I have to move my whole arm to move them. So the Magic mouse is working better as I can rest my wrist on the table and move the mouse across, which for me is how I like to interact with my Design programmes. (I'm an Architect and Designer)

Overall, I'm delighted with the Magic Mouse and am highly recommending to all my friends and to you all on the Mac Forums.

Enjoy!

[zippyzoom]

The Magic Mouse might as well be called the Magic ****!! I don't understand Apple's design philosophy these days. We all know that Steve Jobs is enthralled with the concept of symmetry and simple design, however I think the form before function goes way too far!

Please don't take it that I am an Apple basher. I, for one, love Apple products for their quality, consistency, ease of use, and eye catching designs. However, I am dissapointed with some (not all!) of the products as of late when it comes to ergonomics.

I absolutely love my 24'' iMac that I have, but the Mighty Mouse that was paired with it was horrendous. It was slick, so when my hands became sweaty it slipped around. The round shape did not conform to either left or right hand (supposed to be an ambidextrous design?). It would not click if the mouse got caught on some paper or a wire. One cannot right and left click simultaneously. The ball had no momentum motion. The wire was way too short. It was way too light. It goes on and on...

I then purchased a Macbook. The edge closest to the user is so sharp! It just digs into the wrists! An emo's dream computer come true! :o

The new 27'' come with non-numeric keypads. Its super tiny! Does it make sense to put that together with a desktop iMac? Has math and entering numbers just slipped off the face of the earth? Then the issue with the Magic Mouse. The edges are too sharp. Its too low profile: it does not conform to the natural arch of the palm. Being symmetrical it isn't optimized for comfort for either a lefty or righty. The mouse takes life of its own when you try to use two finger gestures.

Again, I am in love with my computers, but I just wish Apple had a keener eye on ergonomics and comfort. I am sure comfort/ergonomics can be incorporated harmoniously with sleek design.

[slicecom]

I've never been able to comfortably design with any of Apple's mice, and the Magic Mouse is no exception. I'll stick to my MX Revolution thats been keeping me happy for years now.

[pawelf]

I am also an ArchiCAD user. How did you manage to do the Space bar assignment? Could you describe the process?


I consider myself to be a poweruser. I've used the magic on Sketchup works flawlessly. Same on ArchiCAD, however since there is now third button, I've programmed my keyboard spacebar to be used for pan.

[stainlessliquid]

Why not take a look outside the world of Apple for once? Its sad to see people wanting to "upgrade" to a mighty mouse.

Try other brands, you will be surprised at how much better they are. Everything you own doesnt have to be made by Apple.

[mac2x]

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I didnt like how flat it was at first, but now I love its design. I honestly feel like its the best mouse I have ever used. Mind you I'm coming from a Logitec MX Revolution. This mouse is elegant, tracks amazingly, and the way it handles scrolling. especially with the software is really intuitive. It feels just like my iphone.

After using a Magic Mouse for a while, I can say that I would never go back. It works extremely well.

[steve123]

When I got my first Magic Mouse it "felt" different than the mighty mouse and I used and I had to stop and think about whether or not I liked it. I've been using it now for a couple months and I have completely adjusted. In fact, I picked up a mighty mouse the other day and tried to use it and it "felt" different. The discomfort was similar to when I first picked up the Magic Mouse.

I find that I prefer the Magic Mouse now so I don't think I'll be going back to the mighty mouse. Like others, I miss the middle button. I ended up turning off the side buttons because it was getting to the point where it was annoying me because they were triggering spaces when I didn't want them to. Maybe someone can program a middle mouse button for the Magic Mouse using two fingers and a click.

[snickelfritz]

Magic Mouse has two flaws that I've noticed:

The battery life is too short.
There's no solution other than turning the mouse off when it's not in use.

unintended scrolling.
Maddening while working on long blocks of text.
Apple needs to provide an option for scrolling only while a given key is pressed.

I've had no other problems with this mouse in PS, AI, ID, FL, DW, and it's certainly a vast improvement over the mighty mouse with the scrollball clogging issue.
Actually, I love the Magic Mouse; it just needs a better battery and a more comprehensive control panel.

[schnipselseiner]

hello everyone,


I am also an ArchiCAD user. How did you manage to do the Space bar assignment? Could you describe the process?


me too. bman07, i like my :apple: magic mouse but would use the spacebar for pan in future. so, could you describe the process, please? :)


I consider myself to be a poweruser. I've used the magic on Sketchup works flawlessly. Same on ArchiCAD, however since there is now third button, I've programmed my keyboard spacebar to be used for pan.

[ILikeTurtles]

I've put this in the design threads for a reason.

Got a new iMac at work, and I lasted about 5 minutes with the new Magic Mouse and tiny keyboard. This has to be the least design conscious design decision apple have ever made reducing the keyboard size and removing the mouse third button.

I couldn't figure out have to do a forced line break in InDesign due to the bottom right key not being there anymore. Also, the default shortcut to select all text below isn't possible because of this missing.

The third mouse button was probably just to my tastes, but this scrolling surface is just rubbish. The ball is accurate and lets you scroll side to side with one finger. I just found the new mouse encourages you to half remove your hand and swipe with two fingers.

Anyone else perfectly happy with their full sized keyboard and mighty mouse?

OMFG - why didn't you order the full-size keyboard like I did with my new iMac. It doesn't cost you anything extra. My god!

[MattSepeta]

My wireless Mighty Mouse finally bit the dust. The left click stopped working, and the entire mouse only functions as a big right-click now.

I bought a magic mouse, fully prepared to return it within a few days, but I love it now! I use it at work and at home for photo editing in aperture 3 and PSCS4, design work in PSCS4, video editing in FCP and AECS4, and other varied uses. Very few cons, but tons of pros!

-It tracks smoothly, feels solid yet light weight

-The contact pads on the bottom are 100X better than the mighty mouses, which would gunk up after 10 minutes use

-The touch scrolling is fantastic, especially the momentum.

-SOO SLEEK

-I have actually gotten quite used to the ergonomics of it, it feels great under-hand

-No stupid scroll ball to get gunked up! +10000000 for this

-My only complaint is with zooming in after effects. I find myself always accidentally zooming in to like x30 when working on a project in AE due to the touch scroll. The slightest misstep of the fingers throws me out of whack.

Over all, I was very wrong with my first impressions of the mouse

[cocky jeremy]

How can you NOT like the Magic Mouse? And who cares about number keys off to the side? They're still on top. It's not like they're difficult to hit.

[Shoesy]

Mighty mouse was rubbish mouse. Magic mouse feels great to me. Scrolling works a lot better than that silly little ball, right clicks work without lifting your left click finger off the mouse again- great. I personally love the momentum scrolling but it can be turned off if you really hate it.

Saying all that I use a Microsoft trackball for proper work- and a full size split beige keyboard (complete with 90's wire!)

[BrianKonarsMac]

Battery life is why simple as that. Users that need a numberpad offen use spreadsheets etc where you would be inputting alot of data. So you would be killing a set of batteries a day.

You think a number pad would kill battery life on a wireless keyboard?

I have a wireless keyboard...with a number pad... and it lasts 3-4 months on a full charge with daily use.

Do you think if I got rid of my number pad I could squeeze out another month?

I should add that, I input more data than someone who is using a spreadsheet.

[The Man]

Mmm. I actually quite like the flat and small keyboard. I think it's the best keyboard I've ever had. I like the shallow key travel. i actually type faster on this keyboard than I ever have on an Apple keyboard. Personal preference, I guess. For most people, not having the numeric keypad is a plus, because now the keyboard is centered in front of the screen with more room for the mouse. I always hated that the keyboard would be off-center. But I can see some professionals need the full keyboard. But that's choice for you.

Magic mouse? I find it to be the best mouse Apple has done. It's flat, yes, but I actually have less pain in my hands and wrist, because I'm actually not clutching this mouse. Also I'm having less cold hands. My muscles are quite relaxed, because this mouse forces me to lightly hold and keep my hand flat on the table. Surprisingly, I find this position to be quite ergonomic, because no muscle is tense. Again, personal preference.

[baypharm]

I'm very happy with my full size keyboard and wireless mighty mouse. I have the 2.8 version iMac. Tried the smaller keyboard and no way. I haven't used a magic mouse enough to know if I would make the switch.

[cheesygrin]

I can see why the keyboard shortcuts thing might be annoying, but I don't really do much with textual design, and so find that the small keyboard is quite nice to use. Considering that I have never had such a big screen, it's nice that I've also never had so much free desk space!

As far as the mouse goes - yeah, it does take some getting used to. Personally, I've disabled swipe and boosted the tracking speed and now I'm quite happy. Plugged my old mighty mouse into my laptop the other day, and was surprised how cheaply made it felt and how imprecise it seemed in comparison. I had also forgotten how annoying it was when the roller ball constantly gets stuck... :mad:

[tkingart]

The iMac's small keyboard felt different to me than the MBP, I had gotten used to the MBP keyboard, then had to get used to the iMac one it seemed. As for the Magic Mouse, I don't know- it has hard edges so I have learned not to lay any weight of my hand on it (not ergonomic), it feels less like a mouse, and more like a half used bar of soap.

I have a different mouse that I use in Bootcamp, and I have to admit I still have problems pressing CMD for CTRL in Windows (pulls up the start bar), annoying when trying to copy and past- this is an age old problem, I suppose my brain is saying make up your mind where CTRL is at buddy.

For those using CAD programs, I can't remember if it is the same or not, but if you want to "pan around", hold down the letter "i", pressing space locks an object in 3D Max, but I've always used "i" pressed (it centers to the location of the mouse cursor.)

I use a SpacePilot, but I'm used to all my shortcuts in 3DMax, you have to know them if you want to build quickly and efficiently.

On the topic of the mouse and keyboard- again, I think they are absolutely beautiful designs, but they need some additional refinement. I would like to see a full sized bluetooth keyboard, and the sharp edges on the magic mouse smoothed out a bit. One more gripe, the keyboard isn't so bad with batteries, but the magic mouse is horrible, I believe I put new batteries in (name brand) 2-3 days ago, and it's down to 75% already. It goes through batters like a squirt gun through water.

[zerocustom1989]

I only scrolled through the repies pretty quickly, but did anyone mention Magic Prefs?

Gives you that middle click on that magic mouse as well as other customizable gestures!

http://magicprefs.com/

[kuaiyouming]

I struggled with the magic mouse when I first got it. I was used to having my hand rest on the mouse, so I would always accidentally scroll rapidly through whatever program I was using. However, I got used it naturally and it is not an issue anymore (uh oh, I think I just had an iPhone 4 revelation - wonder if this will work for the antenna problems).

However, the battery life is terrible. I get 30 days, max, if I'm lucky. Sometimes it is more like 25.

[ravenvii]

I struggled with the magic mouse when I first got it. I was used to having my hand rest on the mouse, so I would always accidentally scroll rapidly through whatever program I was using. However, I got used it naturally and it is not an issue anymore (uh oh, I think I just had an iPhone 4 revelation - wonder if this will work for the antenna problems).

However, the battery life is terrible. I get 30 days, max, if I'm lucky. Sometimes it is more like 25.

Really? Battery life is closer to two months for me.

As for trying it at the Apple Store, it feels horrible when you try to use it standing up. It's very different when you're sitting, though.

And the momentum scrolling > *.

[autacraft]

Full Size Keyboard, had for a couple of years, best key board ever used. No complaints at all frankly!

Magic mouse....purchased three days ago and I'm really torn.

Im a graphic designer so use the mouse/keyboard in solid conjunction with each other, and a really bugging thing is simply the cross functioning aspects of the mouse when in use with a program like indesign. Its hyper sensitive regards the 'touch swipe' functions, so indesign kept going nuts (scrolling up and down of its own accord, zooming in etc etc).

Sure, you can completely turn off this functionality all together and just use it as a point and click device, but when I'm using across two screens (one for internet access on the fly for images etc) this is a bit of a pain frankly - the scrolling function works well in browsers.

Aside from this, my one and main issue is simply that of design - its really not ergonomic in the slightest and I'm really quite suprised at actually how bad this shape is underhand.

It reminds me of the very first pebble mice they created with the first imacs all those years ago - god awful to use and just completely un natural feeling in the hand.

Theres a point to be made about 'getting use to it' - this is bad design folks. Ergonomically correct design is like a perfectly fitting glove, it should just work immediately and feel completely comfortable.

This magic mouse doesnt do this in the slightest, its incredibly low slick profile 'forces' your hand to kind of hover over it rather like a tarantula! Clasping it, rather than comfortably resting.

Personal pref's will obviously differ, and this design might suit a lot of people, but ill be returning mine at the end of the week. I'd far rather feel like Im actually holding something.

Its a dam shame, as the actual design (material wise) and 'click' (solid, and love the right click!) - its just way way too flat a profile for me, by a good 50%.

Good luck!

[mac2x]

I only scrolled through the repies pretty quickly, but did anyone mention Magic Prefs?

Gives you that middle click on that magic mouse as well as other customizable gestures!

http://magicprefs.com/

+1. After several months of use, the ONLY thing I dislike about the Magic Mouse is the battery life...I use it a lot and even Sanyo Eneloops won't last more than a couple weeks. But at least they are rechargeable. :D