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MacBytes
Oct 30, 2009, 07:21 AM
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Description:: Symbian's director has taken a series of pot shots at the iPhone, while proclaiming the Symbian mobile OS "three years ahead of its time".

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Stella
Oct 30, 2009, 07:38 AM
And so they should.

Apple had the nerve to call the iPhone a smartphone while lacking such basic features as 'copy and paste'. I'd also add to the list usable Bluetooth ( which is crippled ), just recently added, turn by turn navigation, but yet having GPS but not being able to make much use of it. Finally, Multi-tasking.. which is restricted to a handful of apps.

So - competitors do and regularly highlight products weaknesses, and Apple do this too - and should accept this when applied to them.

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Link: Symbian slags off iPhone: "6 months for cut and paste?" (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20091030082147)
Description:: Symbian's director has taken a series of pot shots at the iPhone, while proclaiming the Symbian mobile OS "three years ahead of its time".

Posted on MacBytes.com (http://www.macbytes.com)
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t0mat0
Oct 30, 2009, 09:07 AM
Isn't that particular snark from Nokia, who's had a pretty rough quarter a bit late? Or is it more concerning for them that they didn't even have a handset to rival an iPhone without cut and paste for all that time.... ;)

BenjyD
Oct 30, 2009, 09:19 AM
8 years of Symbian and still no usable interface?

Stella
Oct 30, 2009, 09:27 AM
8 years of Symbian and still no usable interface?

personally, its fine for me.. does the job.

Functionality over a little less candy eye.

Thomas Harte
Oct 30, 2009, 12:42 PM
To be honest, I think any criticism that relies on an issue long since resolved sounds more that a little pathetic. Would anybody give any serious time to the retort that it took Nokia almost 20 years to ship a phone with a colour screen? Compare products available now to other products available now.

MadMacxxx
Oct 30, 2009, 05:56 PM
And so they should.

Apple had the nerve to call the iPhone a smartphone while lacking such basic features as 'copy and paste'. I'd also add to the list usable Bluetooth ( which is crippled ), just recently added, turn by turn navigation, but yet having GPS but not being able to make much use of it. Finally, Multi-tasking.. which is restricted to a handful of apps.

So - competitors do and regularly highlight products weaknesses, and Apple do this too - and should accept this when applied to them.

To be honest, I think any criticism that relies on an issue long since resolved sounds more that a little pathetic. Would anybody give any serious time to the retort that it took Nokia almost 20 years to ship a phone with a colour screen? Compare products available now to other products available now.

both valid points... seems like nokia is bitter about a lot of this, one of the major reasons being this recent huge lawsuit against apple. Seems like a game of "yea well you did this....ok, but you did this!," instead of realizing that both companies have had their short comings and success stories. It's a shame that this thread is just going to turn into a big ***** storm of what Nokia has and hasn't done in comparison to what Apple has or has not done. Nothing's perfect, some things are better than others at times, but marketing based on those principles wouldn't work to the advantage of the company, so I guess it's safe to say that it's up to the consumer to do his/her research and decide what best for them, and not one what one bias has to say over the next.

NT1440
Oct 30, 2009, 06:00 PM
Well, its there now, so no one but geeks are going to give a ****.

Also, I haven't seen an easier to use/understand implementation of copy/paste, so now that its here, I really don't care that other phones can do it.

zap2
Oct 30, 2009, 08:18 PM
Isn't that particular snark from Nokia, who's had a pretty rough quarter a bit late? Or is it more concerning for them that they didn't even have a handset to rival an iPhone without cut and paste for all that time.... ;)

Wasn't Nokia...Symbian is an open platform now, separate from Nokia

From a feature standpoint, Symbian has a lot going for it....marketing/design, its got lots of work to do

starflyer
Oct 30, 2009, 10:10 PM
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Symbian: our OS is so advanced it hasn't even been released yet!

cjmillsnun
Oct 31, 2009, 12:13 AM
Wasn't Nokia...Symbian is an open platform now, separate from Nokia

From a feature standpoint, Symbian has a lot going for it....marketing/design, its got lots of work to do

Symbian is still owned by Nokia...

http://symbian.org/about-us/history-symbian

2008: Symbian acquired by Nokia; Symbian Foundation formed.

masteroflondon
Oct 31, 2009, 02:42 AM
Also, I haven't seen an easier to use/understand implementation of copy/paste, so now that its here, I really don't care that other phones can do it.

A feature you can easily understand, use, not to mention find, is worth a million features you can't. Hell, it took Apple how many years to release a phone? When they did, it was better.

CrackedButter
Oct 31, 2009, 04:59 AM
I quote from Daringfireball:

The two main problems Apple needed to solve were (a) how to allow for the selection of a range of text, and (b) how to invoke cut/copy/paste commands on a system without a keyboard and without a menu bar. Their solution to (a) was to make selection an extension of the existing magnifier loupe interface for placing the insertion point. Their solution to (b) was to present the commands in what is effectively a pop-up contextual menu that appears only when you have made a selection or moved the insertion point.

Then:

That we had to wait two years for the iPhone’s text selection and pasteboard is a good example of one aspect of the Apple way: better nothing at all than something less than great. That’s not to say Apple never releases anything less than great, but they try not to.2 This is contrary to the philosophy of most other tech companies — and diametrically opposed to the philosophy of Microsoft. And it is very much what drives some people crazy about Apple — it’s simply incomprehensible to some people that it might be better to have no text selection/pasteboard implementation while waiting for a great one than to have a poor implementation in the interim.

Source: http://daringfireball.net/2009/06/copy_and_paste