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Poonaka
Nov 2, 2009, 07:47 AM
:( no updated shipping details yet. Hope they don't mean November 2010...



Uncle Pinny
Nov 2, 2009, 08:01 AM
:( no updated shipping details yet. Hope they don't mean November 2010...

Yeah - it sucks so far. Obviously there will be more of a wait but it would be nice to get some sort of idea when it may be.....

dwd3885
Nov 2, 2009, 08:37 AM
Guys, if they really meant November as in November 1, then I think when they announced the products they would've said 2-3 weeks shipping time. Since they did not, I'm just guessing it will be much later in November.

ViViDboarder
Nov 2, 2009, 08:41 AM
Great Scott!!! You're right! I must have missed my target by a few weeks. :p

Unspoken Demise
Nov 2, 2009, 08:42 AM
Great Scott!!! You're right! I must have missed my target by a few weeks. :p

Quick! You there! What day is it?

stridemat
Nov 2, 2009, 08:46 AM
I cannot remember an Apple product that is released on the first few days of the month that they say it is shipping in. I would guess that you may be waiting till towards the end of the month until you receive them.

Poonaka
Nov 2, 2009, 08:59 AM
I just wish they'd tell us when in November it is going to ship.

Hellhammer
Nov 2, 2009, 09:02 AM
I just wish they'd tell us when in November it is going to ship.

I think quad core iMacs needs 10.6.2 so it will ship when OS X is ready

nicroma
Nov 2, 2009, 09:52 AM
I think quad core iMacs needs 10.6.2 so it will ship when OS X is ready

I think this may be the case. Since Apple does not state publicly when OS upgrades are available in the future it may be keeping them from pinning down a date in November.

RexTraverse
Nov 2, 2009, 10:18 AM
I think this may be the case. Since Apple does not state publicly when OS upgrades are available in the future it may be keeping them from pinning down a date in November.

Doubt it, unless Apple is so far off the ball that the finalized drivers for the new card aren't ready yet. Apple has sold new machines with a updated version of OSX before the update was released into the masses. (see: MacBook Air). Don't see why this would be any different.

Gonna say it's shipping issues from AMD over the Radeon 4850. This is their biggest profile contract in awhile. Hope they don't blow it. We as consumers really need AMD to succeed in order to kick intel in the pants and not turn complacent again.

GoCubsGo
Nov 2, 2009, 10:20 AM
This could be similar to the MacBook Air 1.6 HDD model debacle. It was to ship in October, then November. I think I ended up getting it the week they were in stores in December. It was a PITA and I nearly spend wasted $2500 on the SSD model (wasted by way of saying the prices fell quite a bit 6 months later) but waiting paid off.

I would now never order a machine that Apple says will ship "sometime" in any month.

NevadaJack
Nov 2, 2009, 10:25 AM
I think if Apple had some idea of when they could ship the Quads, they would say so. I think Apple does not know when they may ship them and November was an estimate which they felt was workable. It may be or may not be but a fixed date is an unknown not only to us but to Apple.

Aadhil
Nov 2, 2009, 10:33 AM
What's the bet that Apple will add new multi touch gestures for the magic mouse with the new update?

ViViDboarder
Nov 2, 2009, 10:36 AM
What's the bet that Apple will add new multi touch gestures for the magic mouse with the new update?

I really do hope so. It seems like it has to be coming. I mean, they put SOO MANY capacitors in there!!! The hardware definitely supports it.

I just wonder why they wouldn't have done that on initial release.

Shivetya
Nov 2, 2009, 10:40 AM
I really do hope so. It seems like it has to be coming. I mean, they put SOO MANY capacitors in there!!! The hardware definitely supports it.

I just wonder why they wouldn't have done that on initial release.

My reasoning that they didn't is because trying to find simple gestures that don't require moving your hand off the mouse is not a easy undertaking.

I still think it will go down as another damn Apple mouse (tragic mouse). It sounds more impressive in theory than use.

rmg007
Nov 2, 2009, 10:47 AM
I think if Apple had some idea of when they could ship the Quads, they would say so. I think Apple does not know when they may ship them and November was an estimate which they felt was workable. It may be or may not be but a fixed date is an unknown not only to us but to Apple.

+1

ViViDboarder
Nov 2, 2009, 10:49 AM
My reasoning that they didn't is because trying to find simple gestures that don't require moving your hand off the mouse is not a easy undertaking.

I still think it will go down as another damn Apple mouse (tragic mouse). It sounds more impressive in theory than use.

I posted in another thread about some features that would make it really great. So I won't go into detail here, but wouldn't a trackpad mode be nice? Toggle it in your mouse settings and the top of the mouse works like a MacBook Pro trackpad? One finger to move the mouse around, push down to click, all the same gestures. :D

Unspoken Demise
Nov 2, 2009, 10:49 AM
My reasoning that they didn't is because trying to find simple gestures that don't require moving your hand off the mouse is not a easy undertaking.

I still think it will go down as another damn Apple mouse (tragic mouse). It sounds more impressive in theory than use.

I fail to see how the Magic mouse is "tragic," albeit that is a witty renaming.
I tried it in person and I was fairly impressed. Its not perfect, but its far from "tragic."

C64
Nov 2, 2009, 10:56 AM
I can't imagine Apple being satisfied with suppliers telling them "oh well, we think it's gonna be somewhere in November, but we have no definitive date for ya". I'm sure they have a fixed date.

Maybe they just want to give themselves a bit of time in case there were problems with the first batches of the new iMacs, and bump up the delivery date a bit so they could work out some of the initial problems in the supply chain (if any). And, like people said when the iMacs were announced, they'd better use 'November' in general if the date is late November, because it's better marketing. They also lower expectations, which would be positive if they'll be shipping early instead of late November.

Harpy007
Nov 2, 2009, 10:59 AM
I can't imagine Apple being satisfied with suppliers telling them "oh well, we think it's gonna be somewhere in November, but we have no definitive date for ya". I'm sure they have a fixed date.

Maybe they just want to give themselves a bit of time in case there were problems with the first batches of the new iMacs, and bump up the delivery date a bit so they could work out some of the initial problems in the supply chain (if any). And, like people said when the iMacs were announced, they'd better use 'November' in general if the date is late November, because it's better marketing. They also lower expectations, which would be positive if they'll be shipping early instead of late November.

Well said

ViViDboarder
Nov 2, 2009, 11:05 AM
I can't imagine Apple being satisfied with suppliers telling them "oh well, we think it's gonna be somewhere in November, but we have no definitive date for ya". I'm sure they have a fixed date.

Maybe they just want to give themselves a bit of time in case there were problems with the first batches of the new iMacs, and bump up the delivery date a bit so they could work out some of the initial problems in the supply chain (if any). And, like people said when the iMacs were announced, they'd better use 'November' in general if the date is late November, because it's better marketing. They also lower expectations, which would be positive if they'll be shipping early instead of late November.

Or the hardware is already prepared to ship but they are working on new drivers for OSX. The current iMacs don't use any hardware that is totally new. The new Quads do (Yes, Mac Pro uses i7, but it's a different core).

Also, there are issues with the current 27" so hopefully they do get that sorted.

NevadaJack
Nov 2, 2009, 11:19 AM
I can't imagine Apple being satisfied with suppliers telling them "oh well, we think it's gonna be somewhere in November, but we have no definitive date for ya". I'm sure they have a fixed date.



What makes you think it's a "supplier" problem other than rumors about the 4850?

C64
Nov 2, 2009, 11:54 AM
What makes you think it's a "supplier" problem other than rumors about the 4850?
It was kind of in reply to this (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8746842&postcount=17) and some posts above that, but I forgot to quote and was typing slowly, so there were other replies already :) . In any case, even if it is a supplier problem, I'm positive that Apple knows exactly when to expect the iMacs.

jddar
Nov 2, 2009, 11:57 AM
What makes you think it's a "supplier" problem other than rumors about the 4850?

I mentioned this in an earlier post. I ordered my i5 by telephone on October 23. The salesperson told me the delay in shipping is caused by the ATI HD 4850. He seemed quite sure on this point. Whether this is true or not is anyone's guess.

hibbleton
Nov 2, 2009, 12:12 PM
Or the hardware is already prepared to ship but they are working on new drivers for OSX. The current iMacs don't use any hardware that is totally new. The new Quads do (Yes, Mac Pro uses i7, but it's a different core).

Also, there are issues with the current 27" so hopefully they do get that sorted.

This seems highly unlikely. Why would Apple start manufacturing computers for which they have no software? It doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm obviously not an expert, but I'd reckon that Apple develops the hardware and software concurrently.

The quad core iMacs have almost undoubtedly been in production for around a month now and I'd be seriously surprised if they're shipping with anything other than 10.6.1.

ViViDboarder
Nov 2, 2009, 12:15 PM
This seems highly unlikely. Why would Apple start manufacturing computers for which they have no software? It doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm obviously not an expert, but I'd reckon that Apple develops the hardware and software concurrently.

The quad core iMacs have almost undoubtedly been in production for around a month now and I'd be seriously surprised if they're shipping with anything other than 10.6.1.

Well we'll see. They did wait to ship the Magic Mouse without the iMac until they had a software update.

Also, I do think they have drivers made. More like they are holding until they are sure there are no driver issues that may impact performance.

hibbleton
Nov 2, 2009, 12:33 PM
Well we'll see. They did wait to ship the Magic Mouse without the iMac until they had a software update.

Also, I do think they have drivers made. More like they are holding until they are sure there are no driver issues that may impact performance.

Once again, I have to disagree. It just makes no sense for Apple to spend a boatload of money on manufacturing for device that has no software. I'd guess the Magic Mouse software update was released when the hardware started to become available for purchase. Why release it before the product is actually available?

Like I said, Apple almost definitely does it's testing before their products go into production. It doesn't make sense to do manufacturing and testing concurrently.

ViViDboarder
Nov 2, 2009, 12:44 PM
Once again, I have to disagree. It just makes no sense for Apple to spend a boatload of money on manufacturing for device that has no software. I'd guess the Magic Mouse software update was released when the hardware started to become available for purchase. Why release it before the product is actually available?

Like I said, Apple almost definitely does it's testing before their products go into production. It doesn't make sense to do manufacturing and testing concurrently.

I think you missed my point. The Magic Mouse was not released the same day that the iMacs were released and shipped with it. They waited and released the mouse and a software update later.

Also, I'm sure they have been developing the hardware and software concurrently. Apple has likely had test machines for a while now. Just because they finished developing and testing the C2D machines doesn't mean they have finished with every aspect of the i5/i7 machines. As mentioned earlier it could be due to limited availability of hardware, but this would need to be something different than the current 27" models. Since other devices are being made with the hardware from different companies, I doubt this. It's not that unlikely that there is a bug with some drivers or the OS that they want to get hammered out in an update so they don't release a machine that works sluggishly like the current 27" which will probably need a patch soon.

SiliconDioxide
Nov 2, 2009, 01:21 PM
I mentioned this in an earlier post. I ordered my i5 by telephone on October 23. The salesperson told me the delay in shipping is caused by the ATI HD 4850. He seemed quite sure on this point. Whether this is true or not is anyone's guess.

I think it is the 4850 that is causing the problem. If you configure the lower 27inch with a 4850, the shipping date changes from 3-5 days to November. So lets hope its a supply issue and when it gets worked out the 4850 will migrate over to the 21.5 as a cto (I know its a massive pipe dream).

ViViDboarder
Nov 2, 2009, 01:34 PM
I think it is the 4850 that is causing the problem. If you configure the lower 27inch with a 4850, the shipping date changes from 3-5 days to November. So lets hope its a supply issue and when it gets worked out the 4850 will migrate over to the 21.5 as a cto (I know its a massive pipe dream).

This is probably the most convincing evidence yet. Nice catch.