Similarities between the "V's" and Obama

[fivepoint]

Watching the premier of "V" last night was a slightly surreal experience. The V's were promising the spread of "hope" (Obama campaign promises) and getting people to join on to help spread the word (Obama's citizen force "as strong and well funded as our military"). The head V even asked the media to only show them in a positive light (White House attack on Fox News and general cake-walk coverage during the campaign by remaining media). The V's had many people in the show thinking they were the savior of mankind. Heck, they even offered to give the people of earth "Universal Healthcare"!

http://radioactiveliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/obama-savior-rl2.jpghttp://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/morenaV.jpg

[rdowns]

I'm not sure how you can possibly be looking for parallels with our current situation with some cheesy ABC sci-fi series. Come on man, we have way more important parallels to draw.

Take Modern Family. Can you believe this crap? Al Bundy is married to a foreigner and a homosexual couple has a baby. Surely this is a ploy from the DNC to push their liberal leaning agenda down the throats of real Americans.

Priorities, duded, priorities.

[yg17]

Take Modern Family. Can you believe this crap? Al Bundy is married to a foreigner and a homosexual couple has a baby. Surely this is a ploy from the DNC to push their liberal leaning agenda down the throats of real Americans.


Al is for Obama too (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99HzP6BQm5Y). Definitely a ploy by the DNC ;)

[Thomas Veil]

LOL!

You know how predictable you anti-Obama people are? Last night watching V, I found myself wondering how long it would take for some joker to try to cobble up some sort of analogy to the Obama administration.

Thanks for making me feel prescient! I got my morning laugh and my egoboo at the same time.

[Blue Velvet]

I'm not sure how you can possibly be looking for parallels with our current situation with some cheesy ABC sci-fi series.


Mock not. This is some seriously persuasive political strategery at work. More please.

[Sky Blue]

Will the next episode involve a bunch of old white people turning up with misspelt signs?

[iBlue]

^ BV: :D


LOL!

You know how predictable you anti-Obama people are? Last night watching V, I found myself wondering how long it would take for some joker to try to cobble up some sort of analogy to the Obama administration.

Thanks for making me feel prescient! I got my morning laugh and my egoboo at the same time.

Did you scare yourself?

[fivepoint]

^ Have you seen the crap you post? How can you still be surprised at the responses you receive?

IMAGINE THAT, a MODERATOR ATTACKING a POSTER!


Such an enlightening thread to begin with! :rolleyes:

Do all threads have to be "enlightening"? It was simply an observation... and instead of replying like basic human being would, by saying "I see the connection" or "I don't see the connection." or "I think the writers purposefully did this."... you guys all responded with hatred and sarcasm. It's amazing at the bias you people have that you aren't even willing to have a simple conversation about something such as this.



I'm not sure how you can possibly be looking for parallels with our current situation with some cheesy ABC sci-fi series. Come on man, we have way more important parallels to draw.

I thought the parallels were humorous and interesting. I'm sorry you disagree. I'm sure you people have never compared Bush to the V for Vendetta guy or anything like that. ;) I've NEVER seen those threads here.




LOL!

You know how predictable you anti-Obama people are? Last night watching V, I found myself wondering how long it would take for some joker to try to cobble up some sort of analogy to the Obama administration.

Thanks for making me feel prescient! I got my morning laugh and my egoboo at the same time.

Your comment proves my point that there were connections. If you, a mega liberal Obama supporter could be sitting there and drawing parallels, knowing that someone would do the same... clearly there ARE parallels to be drawn. Obviously all of the blatant ignorant attacks above have just been proven to be so.

THANK YOU!

[Unspoken Demise]

IMAGINE THAT, a MODERATOR ATTACKING a POSTER!

You should really read the F&Q/ learn some latin.

[fivepoint]

Ooo.. look what I just found. At least I'm not the only one (besides Thomas V.) who saw the connections.

http://embedr.com/playlist/breitbart-tv-playlist-show-seems-to-target-obama

[yg17]

IMAGINE THAT, a MODERATOR ATTACKING a POSTER!


OH MY GOD IT'S A CONSPIRACY, HOLY ****!

e isn't a moderator. Fail. :rolleyes:

[rdowns]

IMAGINE THAT, a MODERATOR ATTACKING a POSTER!







Reading comprehension FAIL. I don't recall ever seeing a trifecta from one poster in a single thread. Good luck.

[yg17]

Ooo.. look what I just found. At least I'm not the only one (besides Thomas V.) who saw the connections.

http://embedr.com/playlist/breitbart-tv-playlist-show-seems-to-target-obama

Breitbart? HAHAHA. Seriously, he is your source? I would trust Michael Vick to take care of my dog while I'm on vacation before I would trust Breitbart's opinion on anything.

[fivepoint]

Watching the replies to this thread is absolutely hilarious. You people are just like the George Bush apologists... not willing to give an inch with your candidate. You wouldn't DARE say even one word that would ever be seen as negative towards your man.

Hahaha, I mean, all I did was post a humorous observation about a sci-fi TV show and similarities anyone could draw between the two... and you guys are losing your minds... attacking, belittling, etc. Ad hominems all over the place. Can't deal with the content of the post, just have to belittle the messenger.

It's truly eye-opening to see you guys fall over yourselves on such a funny little thing. Thanks for the morning laugh, I think I'm going to have a good day. :D

[jonbravo77]

IMAGINE THAT, a MODERATOR ATTACKING a POSTER!




Do all threads have to be "enlightening"? It was simply an observation... and instead of replying like basic human being would, by saying "I see the connection" or "I don't see the connection." or "I think the writers purposefully did this."... you guys all responded with hatred and sarcasm. It's amazing at the bias you people have that you aren't even willing to have a simple conversation about something such as this.





I thought the parallels were humorous and interesting. I'm sorry you disagree. I'm sure you people have never compared Bush to the V for Vendetta guy or anything like that. ;) I've NEVER seen those threads here.






Your comment proves my point that there were connections. If you, a mega liberal Obama supporter could be sitting there and drawing parallels, knowing that someone would do the same... clearly there ARE parallels to be drawn. Obviously all of the blatant ignorant attacks above have just been proven to be so.

THANK YOU!

You know what I find funny. You are getting bent at the exact same thing you would do if someone else had done this to the republicans. Just an observation..

[iBlue]

.. Thanks for the morning laugh, I think I'm going to have a good day. :D

Pretty sure the lot of us are just having some fun with it too.

[fivepoint]

Breitbart? HAHAHA. Seriously, he is your source? I would trust Michael Vick to take care of my dog while I'm on vacation before I would trust Breitbart's opinion on anything.

I'd give you a shovel to help you dig yourself deeper, but It seems you've got it covered. :)

Does the Huffington Post fit your style better? :)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/03/ivi-relaunch-intended-as_n_344288.html

How about Politico?
http://www.politico.com/click/stories/0911/new_show_takes_a_swipe_at_obama.html

Maybe the Chicago Tribune?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-tc-tvcolumn-v-1102-1103nov03,0,7062976.story

Imagine this. At a time of political turmoil, a charismatic, telegenic new leader arrives virtually out of nowhere. He offers a message of hope and reconciliation based on compromise and promises to marshal technology for a better future that will include universal health care.

The news media swoons in admiration -- one simpering anchorman even shouts at a reporter who asks a tough question: "Why don't you show some respect?!" The public is likewise smitten, except for a few nut cases who circulate batty rumors on the Internet about the leader's origins and intentions. The leader, undismayed, offers assurances that are soothing, if also just a tiny bit condescending: "Embracing change is never easy."

So, does that sound like anyone you know? Oh, wait -- did I mention the leader is secretly a totalitarian space lizard who's come here to eat us?

Welcome to ABC's "V," the most fascinating and bound to be the most controversial new show of the fall television season. Nominally a rousing sci-fi space opera about alien invaders bent on the conquest (and digestion) of all humanity, it's also a barbed commentary on Obamamania that will infuriate the president's supporters and delight his detractors.

"We're all so quick to jump on the bandwagon," observes one character. "A ride on the bandwagon, it sounds like fun. But before we get on, let us at least make sure it is sturdy."

The bandwagon in this case is conspicuously saucer-shaped. "V" starts with the arrival of a couple of dozen ships from outer space, piloted by creatures who look like humans except a lot prettier. "Don't be frightened," says their luminously beautiful leader Anna (Morena Baccarin, "Serenity"). "We mean no harm."

The aliens -- who become known as V's, for visitors -- quickly enthrall their wide-eyed human hosts.

A handful of dissidents hold out against the rapturous reception given the V's. Some are simply uneasy, such as the youthful priest Father Jack (Joel Gretsch, "The 4400"), who sharply criticizes the Vatican's embrace of the V's as divine creations: "Rattlesnakes are God's creatures too."

With or without the political sheen, "V" is sweeping television storytelling at its best. Whether you choose to view it as a blood-and-guts war story, a spy thriller (unlike the original show, these V's are perfect replicas of humans, so you never really know who might be sitting beside you at the bar), a high-stakes family drama (as households divide over the intentions of the V's), a religious allegory (the V's make a crippled man walk, filling up churches again) or just a sci-fi throwback to the days of "Earth vs. the Flying Saucers" and "The Thing," "V" is irresistible. This bandwagon is definitely worth jumping on.


Naw... It's probably just lunatic fivepoint imagining things again! ;) Your bias and attack-driven behaviors have just had a light shined down upon them. Congrats gentlemen!

[jonbravo77]

I'd give you a shovel to help you dig yourself deeper, but It seems you've got it covered. :)





Naw... It's probably just lunatic fivepoint imagining things again! ;) Your bias and attack-driven behaviors have just had a light shined down upon them. Congrats gentlemen!

Pot let me introduce you to kettle...

[obeygiant]

http://sharprightturn.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/norman-barackwell-self-portrait-ace-of-spades1.jpg

I for one welcome our new Obama overlords from outer space.

I thought "V" was awesome last night. :D

[gilkisson]

Can't deal with the content of the post, just have to belittle the messenger.



What content? You said, what, that the Obama administration is evil/wicked/mean/nasty because it ever so closely matches a thin extract of an overview of a plotline from a TV SciFi series? No, I see it now, you're right. That kind of deep analysis deserves some equally deep contemplation... somewhere quiet, apart from all this hustle and bustle... where would that be? Oh, I know:

http://reformnow.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/outhouse.jpg?w=224&h=300

[edesignuk]

IMAGINE THAT, a MODERATOR ATTACKING a POSTER!It's already been pointed out, but I'm not a mod. Sorry to disappoint, just a regular punk "attacking" you.

[thejadedmonkey]

Hey, it happens. Sometimes you need a man-eating world-destroying alien visitor to save you from the savior of America (http://agonist.org/hannes_artens/20080229/george_w_bush_savior_of_the_nation_state);)

[Shivetya]

I'd give you a shovel to help you dig yourself deeper, but It seems you've got it covered. :)

Naw... It's probably just lunatic fivepoint imagining things again! ;) Your bias and attack-driven behaviors have just had a light shined down upon them. Congrats gentlemen!

Uh, the forum rules are :

Though shall not speak of Obama in negative tones.
Though shall not speak of homosexuals in negative tones.
Though shall not speak of Fox news in favorable tones.
Though shall not speak of Religion (well Christians) in favorable tones.


I think there are more, but I can think that stupid for the moment.


As to the OP's thread, I read these same issues about a week ago when some had access to early screenings. It is a typical to try to attach criticism of one thing to another so I don't worry about it. If anything ABC likes the comparison as it will get more to watch

[iBlue]

Uh, the forum rules are :

Though shall not speak of Obama in negative tones.
Though shall not speak of homosexuals in negative tones.
Though shall not speak of Fox news in favorable tones.
Though shall not speak of Religion (well Christians) in favorable tones.


I think there are more, but I can think that stupid for the moment.

...

You know if you don't like the "rules" you are free to LEAVE. Quit whining, you have no right to enforce your beliefs on a majority through scathing posts. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8758391&postcount=41)

[gilkisson]

Uh, the forum rules are :

Though shall not speak of Obama in negative tones.
Though shall not speak of homosexuals in negative tones.
Though shall not speak of Fox news in favorable tones.
Though shall not speak of Religion (well Christians) in favorable tones.


No, those are not forum rules. You are lying, in hyperbole, but lying just the same. Is lying to make your point justified? Do the ends justify the means?

Oh, and you were trying to use the word "Thou", not "Though". It just doesn't sound authoritative enough unless you use KJV language, right?

Back to the topic: Obama is a space alien. Pass the tin foil.

[kavika411]

I apologize for talking about the topic of this thread, as I know it is bad form, but I am curious how intentional/unintentional the similarities were for the writers/creators of V. It reminds me of The Dark Knight and the questions Nolan raised with - what was essentially - warrantless wiretapping when they turned cell phones into transmitters "for the greater good" at a time when Bush was under scrutiny (rightfully) for doing so. I wonder if V will continue in the direction(s) it took last night, or whether those similarities were just a season opener gag to get people interested.

Sorry for the non-tangent.

[jav6454]

....

I for one welcome our new Obama overlords from outer space.

I thought "V" was awesome last night. :D

HaHaHa HaHaHa HaHaHa HaHaHa HaHaHa HaHaHa

That made me laugh.

To the OP: stupid thread, expect stupid responses. (the jackass way of saying it)

Serious way, Sci-Fi != reality. You are askin for something that is just not there. I would agree with rdowns and give you a faceplam, but I'm not near my computer (iPhone post) to do that. I would also go on depth, but it's just a waste of my time and others time.

[fivepoint]

http://sharprightturn.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/norman-barackwell-self-portrait-ace-of-spades1.jpg

I for one welcome our new Obama overlords from outer space.

I thought "V" was awesome last night. :D

I thought it was pretty good... not as exciting as I would have hoped and I thought the writing was lacking a bit... but entertaining none-the-less.



What content? You said, what, that the Obama administration is evil/wicked/mean/nasty because it ever so closely matches a thin extract of an overview of a plotline from a TV SciFi series? No, I see it now, you're right. That kind of deep analysis deserves some equally deep contemplation... somewhere quiet, apart from all this hustle and bustle... where would that be? Oh, I know:

http://reformnow.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/outhouse.jpg?w=224&h=300

Actually I never said any of those things. I made factual references to current events tied to the Obama Administration and his campaign. These are not my opinions, they are facts. These are things Obama has been criticized for for a long time. Humorous watching you FAIL at putting words in my mouth. ;)



It's already been pointed out, but I'm not a mod. Sorry to disappoint, just a regular punk "attacking" you.

Not disappointing. It's against the rules no matter who you are. I hope you enjoyed yourself.



Uh, the forum rules are :

Though shall not speak of Obama in negative tones.
Though shall not speak of homosexuals in negative tones.
Though shall not speak of Fox news in favorable tones.
Though shall not speak of Religion (well Christians) in favorable tones.


I think there are more, but I can think that stupid for the moment.


As to the OP's thread, I read these same issues about a week ago when some had access to early screenings. It is a typical to try to attach criticism of one thing to another so I don't worry about it. If anything ABC likes the comparison as it will get more to watch

Ah yes... I forgot. I always have a problem with the first one. ;) Even though, my thread didn't say anything against Obama at all. Just tied show happenings to things Obama has been criticized for. It could just as easily have been posted by a liberal. Just because you post the parallels, doesn't mean you believe them.

A week ago? Geez, obviously I'm behind the times. Clearly I wasn't the only one though... as everyone here thought I was the ONLY one coming back with this opinion from the first episode! ;)

No, those are not forum rules. You are lying, in hyperbole, but lying just the same. Is lying to make your point justified? Do the ends justify the means?

Oh, and you were trying to use the word "Thou", not "Though". It just doesn't sound authoritative enough unless you use KJV language, right?

Back to the topic: Obama is a space alien. Pass the tin foil.

Hahaha, now gilkisson things that we think Obama is an alien. Did everyone's ability to read get lost? It doesn't matter what someone says anymore, just what you wanted them to say, and assumptions you can jump to in your own mind. Wow.

[leekohler]

Yes- V is Obama's plot to take over the United States and make it a Communist country! OMG! Hide the children! Go get yer gun! :eek:

[fivepoint]

I apologize for talking about the topic of this thread, as I know it is bad form, but I am curious how intentional/unintentional the similarities were for the writers/creators of V. It reminds me of The Dark Knight and the questions Nolan raised with - what was essentially - warrantless wiretapping when they turned cell phones into transmitters "for the greater good" at a time when Bush was under scrutiny (rightfully) for doing so. I wonder if V will continue in the direction(s) it took last night, or whether those similarities were just a season opener gag to get people interested.

Sorry for the non-tangent.

Haha, how DARE you talk about the REAL issue here? How dare you talk about the OP!

I also had that same question. Will these obvious parallels with the Obama administration (universal healthcare) continue, or was it a one-time thing? It would be truly unique for a show coming out of Hollywood to target a liberal in this manor.

[gilkisson]

Actually I never said any of those things. I made factual references to current events tied to the Obama Administration and his campaign.

Factual references? You are trying to compare a sitting US President's administration to a theme of a fictional TV show, and that is "factual"?

You are flinging poo, that's all.


Hahaha, now gilkisson things that we think Obama is an alien. Did everyone's ability to read get lost? It doesn't matter what someone says anymore, just what you wanted them to say, and assumptions you can jump to in your own mind. Wow.

No, actually, I never said that I think you think at all.

[yg17]

You are flinging poo, that's all.

I disagree with that satement. At the zoo earlier this year, I watched a gorilla poo into his hand, throw it at the window and lick it off, and I think that made more sense than this thread.

[obeygiant]

I apologize for talking about the topic of this thread, as I know it is bad form, but I am curious how intentional/unintentional the similarities were for the writers/creators of V. It reminds me of The Dark Knight and the questions Nolan raised with - what was essentially - warrantless wiretapping when they turned cell phones into transmitters "for the greater good" at a time when Bush was under scrutiny (rightfully) for doing so. I wonder if V will continue in the direction(s) it took last night, or whether those similarities were just a season opener gag to get people interested.

Sorry for the non-tangent.

I don't see ANY similarities between the V's message of Hope and Change and universal health care and Obama's message of Hope and Change and universal health care. It's just not possible and ANY reference to similarities should be banned and stricken from the record. It's completely asinine and should be met with ridicule and disdain. If you don't ridicule these obvious similarities you are dumb not-smart. :)

[Rt&Dzine]

I have to admit that I didn't see the show. But if it is supposed to be about Obama I think it's a smart move. Even if viewers just think it's about Obama, it'll draw the conspiracy crowd and Obama critics. Good for ratings!

[Sun Baked]

Not disappointing. It's against the rules no matter who you are. I hope you enjoyed yourself.

Really, since when in the political section?

I know we are allowed to call you out and say your posts are utter crap, and be within the rules. Even if it might be seen by you as an attack.

But we stray into danger only when we call you names and say ...

For example, "you are utter crap" "your office chair is full of 160 lbs of crap" etc.

---

Note: If we get into a rule fight, past karma says ... someone will get banned. So be careful in pointing out rules like you did in your posts to the ex-mods.

[gilkisson]

I disagree with that satement. At the zoo earlier this year, I watched a gorilla poo into his hand, throw it at the window and lick it off, and I think that made more sense than this thread.

I humbly apologize to the gorilla.


<rant>
Oh, and I think it's germane of me to add at this point: I did NOT vote for Obama. I just find those who put personal politics above patriotism repugnant. I've seen it from both sides, and it's equally wrong. Debate points and topics all you wish, but don't dehumanize the man (and yes, comparing Obama with flesh-eating space monsters is dehumanizing). I disagree with a lot of this administration's views, but I can agree with some, tolerate others, and I'm willing to listen to the rest. Some people thinks it sounds good to have a mind like a steel trap. Just remember, steel traps, once activated, are very difficult to open again. They want to stay shut, nothing in, nothing out.
</rant>

[obeygiant]

At the zoo earlier this year, I watched a gorilla poo into his hand, throw it at the window and lick it off, and I think that made more sense than this thread.

Actually you weren't at the zoo, you were in front of your TV screen and the gorilla was actually Keith Olbermann. lol

[leekohler]

I apologize for talking about the topic of this thread, as I know it is bad form, but I am curious how intentional/unintentional the similarities were for the writers/creators of V. It reminds me of The Dark Knight and the questions Nolan raised with - what was essentially - warrantless wiretapping when they turned cell phones into transmitters "for the greater good" at a time when Bush was under scrutiny (rightfully) for doing so. I wonder if V will continue in the direction(s) it took last night, or whether those similarities were just a season opener gag to get people interested.

Sorry for the non-tangent.

I remember the Batman thread. I said the same thing I'm saying now- utterly ridiculous. It's a movie.

[yg17]

Actually you weren't at the zoo, you were in front of your TV screen and the gorilla was actually Keith Olbermann. lol

I have pictures of it if you want proof I was at the zoo ;)

[gilkisson]

I have pictures of it if you want proof I was at the zoo ;)

NO! In the name of everything that doesn't suck, please, no pictures of gorilla poo!

[Sun Baked]

Aren't you thirsty yet?

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10836

[fivepoint]

I disagree with that satement. At the zoo earlier this year, I watched a gorilla poo into his hand, throw it at the window and lick it off, and I think that made more sense than this thread.

Imagine that, YG doesn't "get it". Let's see if obeygiant can help you understand with heavy dose of sarcasm:



I don't see ANY similarities between the V's message of Hope and Change and universal health care and Obama's message of Hope and Change and universal health care. It's just not possible and ANY reference to similarities should be banned and stricken from the record. It's completely asinine and should be met with ridicule and disdain. If you don't ridicule these obvious similarities you are dumb not-smart. :)

Excellent obeygiant! Well said. Do you get it yet, YG? Or is it still beyond you? The huffpo got it. I'm sure you love that site. Politico got it, the Chicago Tribune got it... should I continue to post more sources? :)



I have to admit that I didn't see the show. But if it is supposed to be about Obama I think it's a smart move. Even if viewers just think it's about Obama, it'll draw the conspiracy crowd and Obama critics. Good for ratings!

I tend to agree... haven't SNL's ratings been on the increase since they started poking fun of "the one" recently as well?

[miloblithe]

Sounds like an interesting show. I can't wait to see it (the original V was a favorite when I was a kid).

Science fiction at its best draws themes from the present to explore in a fictional universe.

I'd have to say the people attacking the subject matter of this thread are being complete idiots. This thread had the potential to be interesting. Kavika, interesting question. I'd bet that you're right that the show will continue to draw on various themes and is unlikely to have a particular ideological bent for or against any current political party.

[Blue Velvet]

Obama is a space alien.

No, he's the black Jimmy Carter (http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/article/54411). Or Felix The Cat (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c24385ce-85ef-11de-98de-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1). Or Adolf Hitler (http://www.wickedlocal.com/bridgewater/news/x933815377/BSC-demonstrators-compare-Obama-to-Hitler-offend-students). Or Spock. (http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2009/05/07/obama_spock/index.html) Or the Roadrunner (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/andrew_sullivan/article4925049.ece). Or Osama Bin Laden (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/12/AR2008101201956.html). Or Cliff Huxtable (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-may-18-2009/barack-obama-is-cliff-huxtable). Or Lenin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUuOOnsGu6Y). Or Paris Hilton (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/30/mccain-ad-links-paris-hil_n_115841.html). Or Al Capone (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200910230030). Or the Pink Panther. (http://www.thoughts.com/cagedncrazy/blog/obama-is-like-the-pink-panther-390015/) Or Linux (http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/39). Or Google (http://www.slate.com/id/2164682/). Or Napoleon (http://watchingamerica.com/News/21257/obama-napolean-with-a-weak-personality/). Or Satan. (http://www.politicalforum.com/elections-campaigns/52540-did-jesus-claim-barack-obama-satan.html)


Meanwhile, the show's creators were unconvincing to some when queried about this topic earlier this year:

This was not lost on some of the TV critics attending Summer TV Press Tour 2009, especially those who knew the original "V" was seen as a political allegory. In that case, it was widely perceived as a thinly veiled portrait of fascism.

"Some of the words in the pilot associated with the Visitors' agenda are 'hope' and 'change' and 'universal health care,' " one critic noted. "So, was that intentional, or are you just freakishly prescient?"

"Freakishly prescient," replied executive producer Scott Peters, though not blithely -- not with any real zippiness. Many in the room did not seem to buy it, except maybe "V" heroine Elizabeth Mitchell, who responded, "Wow!" as if it was the first she was hearing about this.

The critic wanted more.

"We are not looking to put any sort of agenda onto the table but," Peters said, spinning madly, "you know, I wake up in the morning and you look at the news and you see there's wars; there's new diseases being discovered; there's old diseases that we are still dealing with. The economy is in the toilet; there are people losing their homes. Wouldn't it be awesome if 29 ships showed up and they all said, 'We've got this. We'll take care of you. Don't worry about it'?

"Shows are open to interpretation. People bring subjective thoughts to it . . . but there is no particular agenda," Peters said -- again, lacking verve.

One critic finally asked directly, "Do you have any concerns that this might be seen as a slap at the Obama administration, or do you hope that it will be seen that way?"

Peters began to go into people- and-their-pesky-subjectiveness mode: "People will bring to it what they bring to it. . . . If one group wants to claim it as their show and another group wants to claim it as their show, that's their prerogative," he said, looking like a close-up of Bette Davis haggling over terms with studio suits.

"Would you really be that comfortable if the birthers started claming it as their own?" the critic persisted. Birthers, of course, believe Obama was not born in the United States and is therefore not eligible to be president.

"Obama is an alien?" exec producer Jeffrey Bell asked, looking like a close-up of Mariska Hargitay after getting a particularly unconvincing response to "Where were you on the night of September 24?" from some molester on "SVU."

"Look, there are always going to be people who will look for agendas in everything," Bell continued. "This show was conceived during the Bush administration; it got executed during an Obama administration," he said (counting we suspect, on the critics not understanding the distinction).

"There are people on either side of the aisle who can find things. You can say, 'Yeah, look how stupid these people are for following blindly and believing everything the government is saying,' and you can have people who are upset about that," Bell continued.

"And you can have other people saying, 'Look at these people who are promising everything at no cost and they are leading them to their doom.' For us, both sides have strengths and weaknesses. Let's get people to show up and watch it and talk about it. But to try to tie it to the birthers, or anything, is kind of, you know, ridiculous."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/09/AR2009080901970.html?hpid=topnews

[Sky Blue]

It's pretty genius that the writers of this show invented the concept of aliens coming to earth in peace, but are really out to take over the planet. How come no one ever thought of this before? I mean, it must be because of Obama right??

http://www.themindrobber.co.uk/doctor-who-season-3/mr-saxon-the-sound-of-drums.jpg

[fivepoint]

I apologize for talking about the topic of this thread, as I know it is bad form, but I am curious how intentional/unintentional the similarities were for the writers/creators of V. It reminds me of The Dark Knight and the questions Nolan raised with - what was essentially - warrantless wiretapping when they turned cell phones into transmitters "for the greater good" at a time when Bush was under scrutiny (rightfully) for doing so. I wonder if V will continue in the direction(s) it took last night, or whether those similarities were just a season opener gag to get people interested.

Sorry for the non-tangent.

I don't see ANY similarities between the V's message of Hope and Change and universal health care and Obama's message of Hope and Change and universal health care. It's just not possible and ANY reference to similarities should be banned and stricken from the record. It's completely asinine and should be met with ridicule and disdain. If you don't ridicule these obvious similarities you are dumb not-smart. :)

I have to admit that I didn't see the show. But if it is supposed to be about Obama I think it's a smart move. Even if viewers just think it's about Obama, it'll draw the conspiracy crowd and Obama critics. Good for ratings!

Sounds like an interesting show. I can't wait to see it (the original V was a favorite when I was a kid).

Science fiction at its best draws themes from the present to explore in a fictional universe.

I'd have to say the people attacking the subject matter of this thread are being complete idiots. This thread had the potential to be interesting. Kavika, interesting question. I'd bet that you're right that the show will continue to draw on various themes and is unlikely to have a particular ideological bent for or against any current political party.


+1 - Great to see some people here "get it", are willing to discuss the actual thread, and aren't blinded by their own biases and instantly defensive if any post includes anything casting their precious Obama in a negative light. ;)

[Thomas Veil]

Your comment proves my point that there were connections. If you, a mega liberal Obama supporter could be sitting there and drawing parallels, knowing that someone would do the same... clearly there ARE parallels to be drawn. Obviously all of the blatant ignorant attacks above have just been proven to be so.

THANK YOU!

Ooo.. look what I just found. At least I'm not the only one (besides Thomas V.) who saw the connections.

http://embedr.com/playlist/breitbart-tv-playlist-show-seems-to-target-obamaNo, it only means I can point out paranoiacs.

Y'all let me know when Obama starts eating people, okay?

Edit: Wait a minute! Proof positive!!! How did the Obama haters miss this one???

http://radioactiveliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/obama-savior-rl2.jpghttp://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/09/23/mars_2409_narrowweb__300x337,0.jpg

[leekohler]

+1 - Great to see some people here "get it", are willing to discuss the actual thread, and aren't blinded by their own biases and instantly defensive if any post includes anything casting their precious Obama in a negative light. ;)

Nice to see you ignored Blue Velvet's post, which pretty much lays your theory to rest. ;)

[Rt&Dzine]

"Look, there are always going to be people who will look for agendas in everything," Bell continued. "This show was conceived during the Bush administration; it got executed during an Obama administration," he said (counting we suspect, on the critics not understanding the distinction).


I was wondering about this because I know that shows usually take quite some time from concept to airing. But it's to the show's advantage that this is happening. As I said before, it's good for ratings.

[Ttownbeast]

I'm buying stock in Reynolds aluminum foil before the prices go up--I could make a killing :D

[fivepoint]

Nice to see you ignored Blue Velvet's post, which pretty much lays your theory to rest. ;)

What exactly is my "theory", Lee?
I was glad Blue posted that information. It was very insightful... interesting that these questions had been coming up for a very long time. Again, only goes to prove my point that the thread topic is incredibly relevant, and is certainly worthy of discussion in the Macrumors forums since it's being covered by major news outlets.

Perhaps you you guys should have done some FACEPALMS on the Washington Post of HuffingtonPost for even bring it up like I did! What a bunch of tinfoil wearing crazies!

[Sky Blue]

Again, only goes to prove my point that the thread topic is incredibly relevant, and is certainly worthy of discussion in the Macrumors forums since it's being covered by major news outlets.


You compared a piece of pop culture to a political event and are acting like you deserve some kind of accolade.

[MorphingDragon]

http://sharprightturn.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/norman-barackwell-self-portrait-ace-of-spades1.jpg


Only more proof that America is anything but a true Christian Country. Its more of a shallow consumerist worship hollywood and the media... wait and Sponge Bob.

[Unspoken Demise]

Only more proof that America is anything but a true Christian Country. Its more of a shallow consumerist worship hollywood and the media... wait and Sponge Bob.

God help us we love our Spongebob.

[abijnk]

Isn't the show a remake? Does that mean it was prophetic or that Obama is actually from the past? :confused:

On a side note, does anyone remember the last time fivepoint posted in the PRSI with intentions other than getting people riled up? Dude, get a new trick...

[nbs2]

Isn't the show a remake? Does that mean it was prophetic or that Obama is actually from the past? :confused:

Exactly. The opening theme from the remake looks to be the same as the original series. Messages of hope and peace have been around for more than just the last couple of years.

At the same time, while the OP was a little aggressive in trying to make his statement, I think there is some validity to the notion that networks try and make money by using the "ripped from the headlines" model that has made Dick Wolf more wealthy than I. Are there similarities in the script that likely made it because of their relevance today? Sure. Does that help engage viewers, by giving them something they can relate to? Sure. Is there anything wrong with positing how similar issues would play out in an alternate reality? No.

Dark Knight and wiretapping; BSG and GWOT/insurgency/religious fundamentalism/etc; V and media relations (?). The first two had a thread that carried as an arc, I dont know if the latter will. Even if none of the three were intentional, why ignore the insight that artificial constructs can provide?

While V has that little lizard eating people thing that sort of makes for a reach, it presents a valid question - is there a benefit to having a news outlet that is willing to question an administration? MSNBC played that role for Bush, Fox for Obama. It is an outlet for the opposition and knowing that they will embrace whatever dirt they find keeps the folks in power honest. No?

[joepunk]

Yep, it is a remake of the 1983 miniseries. So, if I can quote The Naked Gun, "there is nothing to see here!” Move Along

[NoSmokingBandit]

Do all threads have to be "enlightening"? It was simply an observation... and instead of replying like basic human being would, by saying "I see the connection" or "I don't see the connection." or "I think the writers purposefully did this."... you guys all responded with hatred and sarcasm. It's amazing at the bias you people have that you aren't even willing to have a simple conversation about something such as this.


Lol. I agree. I thought the democrats were supposed to the the nice party?

[NT1440]

Fivepoint, what the hell is with you and all this "precious", "the one", "etc" talk when it comes to Obama? Its annoying as hell quite honestly.

[kainjow]

I wonder how long it'll be before Obama shows us his true reptilian self?

201863


Please someone tell me this (http://www.hiddencodes.com/obama/index.htm) is a joke.

[Rodimus Prime]

Am I the only one who thinks it is rather sad and pathic that these boards instead of debating on the topic instead choose to flame the OP.

Clearly in the post the OP is not the only person who made those connections because others stated they wonder how long until some one would make post about it. This translates to me that they made them as well. That should raise at least some red flags.

To me this these thread is an example of what is wrong with theses boards. If some one post something against the more left side of things they get flamed right off the bat. Hell middle of the road some times get flamed here I have noticed. It been to the point that many have been chanced off.

Just some food for though. Instead of debating about it it seems people here go flaming. I think that speaks volumes about how bad theses forums have become.

[Blue Velvet]

...posted in the PRSI with intentions other than getting people riled up?

Its annoying as hell quite honestly.


For some, annoying others is the sum of a political strategy. How it translates to swaying hearts and minds, feet on the ground and votes in polling booths, is entirely another matter. That is why I see such efforts as counter-productive... but amusing.



Please someone tell me this (http://www.hiddencodes.com/obama/index.htm) is a joke.

Gold.

[leekohler]

What exactly is my "theory", Lee?
I was glad Blue posted that information. It was very insightful... interesting that these questions had been coming up for a very long time. Again, only goes to prove my point that the thread topic is incredibly relevant, and is certainly worthy of discussion in the Macrumors forums since it's being covered by major news outlets.

Perhaps you you guys should have done some FACEPALMS on the Washington Post of HuffingtonPost for even bring it up like I did! What a bunch of tinfoil wearing crazies!

You stated your own theory in your OP- you likened Obama to the show, even posting goofy pics to go with it. The creators of the show said that was not their intention. But of course, people like you are seeing things that really aren't there- just like people did with The Dark Knight with Bush. I also called BS on that as well.

[Thomas Veil]

Watching the replies to this thread is absolutely hilarious. .... You wouldn't DARE say even one word that would ever be seen as negative towards your man.Dude, read my location. Read some of the posts from me, lee and others who are disappointed that Obama is more conservative than we expected him to be. Frankly, this idea that we would never criticize "our man" is getting tiresome. Perhaps it's just people assuming that Obama voters wear the same kind of horse blinders that a lot of Bush defenders did, but that's called projecting.

Again, only goes to prove my point that the thread topic is incredibly relevant, and is certainly worthy of discussion in the Macrumors forums since it's being covered by major news outlets.

Perhaps you you guys should have done some FACEPALMS on the Washington Post of HuffingtonPost for even bring it up like I did! What a bunch of tinfoil wearing crazies!Relevant? Well, if WaPo and the Huffington Post are saying crazy things, I suppose commenting on them is technically relevant. But that (along with BV's post) changes the topic from "Look! V is an allegory for Obama," to "There are a lot of tin foil hat wearers out there who think V is an allegory for Obama."

Isn't the show a remake? Does that mean it was prophetic or that Obama is actually from the past? :confused:Well, several of you beat me to that point. The original series had similar overtones.

So now we know the truth: not only did mysterious people alter Obama's birth certificate back in the 1960s, knowing somehow that he would be president some day, but the producers of V tried to warn us about him in 1983!

Know what? Forget the tin foil hats. Given this and several other recent forum topics, I think propeller beanies are in order. :p

[BoyBach]

Similarities between the "V's" and Obama


So you think Pres. Obama is some sort of alien lizard come to take over the world!?

You, sir, are David Icke and I claim my £5.

[Peace]

Is this thread real ?

[Zombie Acorn]

Is this thread real ?

Is Obama an alien?

[xlii]

LOL!

You know how predictable you anti-Obama people are? Last night watching V, I found myself wondering how long it would take for some joker to try to cobble up some sort of analogy to the Obama administration.

Thanks for making me feel prescient! I got my morning laugh and my egoboo at the same time.

Looks like Obama's people got to you too. 1984 is upon us!

[Thomas Veil]

Is this thread real ?Oh come on! It's already Wednesday and you haven't figured it out yet?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2671/4075792965_4047aa21e2.jpg

[leekohler]

Oh come on! It's already Wednesday and you haven't figured it out yet?


How about it? Man, there's been some wacky ones lately.

[Thomas Veil]

How about it? Man, there's been some wacky ones lately.
Yeah, well you know what they say: when the conservatives and the tin foil hat wearers move in, there goes the neighborhood.

[Blue Velvet]

But that (along with BV's post) changes the topic from "Look! V is an allegory for Obama," to "There are a lot of tin foil hat wearers out there who think V is an allegory for Obama."


You might very well think that, but of course, I couldn't possibly comment.

[Sun Baked]

must be a tinfoil created math formula for Obama = politician = snake = reptile = visitor, so Obama = visitor

---

Only real thing i can see coming from this thread is that the killing from tinfoil stock ... would be in preserving the heads of the wearer and keeping them fresh until you eat their brains.

Anyhow tinfoil is so 80's.

These days vacuum packed is where it is at, so buying stock in a place known for individually packed meat like Omaha Steaks might be a bit closer to the mark.

[Ttownbeast]

I just realized how big the tinfoil industry is going to be either way--if obama is a lizard I'll make a killing on the stock selling it for backyard BBQ's if its all just paranoia I make a killing on the stock for all the shiny hats Hell yah I win either way!!!!!

[hulugu]

LOL!

You know how predictable you anti-Obama people are? Last night watching V, I found myself wondering how long it would take for some joker to try to cobble up some sort of analogy to the Obama administration.

Thanks for making me feel prescient! I got my morning laugh and my egoboo at the same time.

I thought the same thing and I've waiting to see which of our friends on the right would bring this up.

Mock not. This is some seriously persuasive political strategery at work. More please.

Everything I ever wanted to know about politics I learned from an ABC show about lizard aliens who have come to steal our water, eat guinea pigs, and create human/lizard hybrids with magical powers.

Ooo.. look what I just found. At least I'm not the only one (besides Thomas V.) who saw the connections.

http://embedr.com/playlist/breitbart-tv-playlist-show-seems-to-target-obama

Slate disagrees (http://www.slate.com/id/2234470/) with this assessment, writing:

More than a few journalists and bloggers have remarked that it's possible to read V as an allegory hostile to President Obama and sympathetic with the birthers and other nutcases who believe him to be a wolf in sheep's clothing. The charismatic Visitors load up their "bandwagon" by "spreading hope." In using their sophisticated iguana technology to provide free medical services, they promise "universal health care." Indeed, if the show is to have the symbolic import that we expect from a science-fiction story, this is the only possible way to read V as a coherent text. The only problem with this analysis lies in its generous presupposition that the text is, in fact, coherent.

Like all pulpy science fiction, there's a certain glee in taking current ideas and then blending them into the work. Just as Battlestar Galactica wrestled with ideas about torture and terrorism, military dictatorships versus civilian authority, so could "V" worry at notions of the anti-Obama crowd.

Battlestar Galactica started with the Cylons using suicide bombers, but by the third season, the human were the bombers, fighting an insurgency against the Cylons. The reversal was a great part of the show and "V" could do something similar, reversing the sides as the resistance against the Visitors wears on.

[Counterfit]

On a side note, does anyone remember the last time fivepoint posted in the PRSI with intentions other than getting people riled up? Dude, get a new trick...
This thread is the first time he's posted here since I schooled him on the 3/5ths clause (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8667064&postcount=46) nearly 3 weeks ago.
I made factual references to current events tied to the Obama Administration and his campaign. These are not my opinions, they are facts.
Since when have you cared about facts?
These are things Obama has been criticized for for a long time.

10 months is a long time?

[63dot]

I have seen points of view that were political here over the years, but this whole V and Obama thing is just too strange to bring up and isn't even a legitimate political thread. I don't remember Obama coming here on a spaceship.

[Prof.]

OMFG I just got goosebumps! :eek::eek::eek:



:D

[Counterfit]

I've discovered Obama's secret!
http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/4a3fc721f56f903d7ac16a9c06c3a109.jpg

[bobber205]

I've discovered Obama's secret!
http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/4a3fc721f56f903d7ac16a9c06c3a109.jpg

Awesome.

[obeygiant]

I've discovered Obama's secret!
http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/4a3fc721f56f903d7ac16a9c06c3a109.jpg

All I see is an "awesome" question mark. :confused:

[iJohnHenry]

All I see is an "awesome" question mark. :confused:

You can open it in a new window, but IMO it's not worth it. :rolleyes:

[miloblithe]

Having now seen the first two episodes of the show, I think the most important observation to make is that the show is terrible. Bad writing. Bad acting. Bad music. Just bad.

Any deep social meaning people find in the show is, I think, largely of their own creation. To read a lot into the show would a mistake because it would proceed from the assumption that there's a lot there. I don't think there is.

Man. Just really bad.

[XNine]

OR... OR we could compare the LAST administration to the administration in V for Vendetta. Ah, yes, that OTHER "V" that's out there. Ah, the conservative mindset with it's foot soldiers stomping valiantly, it's unprecedented wire-tapping schemes and fear mongering.

Or maybe you could just take entertainment at face value like normal human beings.

Though V for Vendetta was very much a political story (written in the early 80's no less) and V the TV series slash movie slash remake TV series, was a bad sci-fi opera with space lizards. Kinda like Scientology, but without the tin-cans and vitamins.

[63dot]

I just saw episode 2. It's not bad but if anything, the V people remind me of the GOP convention.:D

[bobber205]

I just saw episode 2. It's not bad but if anything, the V people remind me of the GOP convention.:D

Why was that? Did they hate people that weren't like them. ;)

Kidding aside, I was interested in the V show but I haven't heard anything good about it so far. Too bad I guess, the promos made it look pretty sweet.

[63dot]

Why was that? Did they hate people that weren't like them. ;)

Kidding aside, I was interested in the V show but I haven't heard anything good about it so far. Too bad I guess, the promos made it look pretty sweet.

It reminds me of the funny episodes of "Mad TV" where they depict John McCain and his wife. They are just so stiff. Someone has to put a groove into those V aliens.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

You stated your own theory in your OP- you likened Obama to the show, even posting goofy pics to go with it. The creators of the show said that was not their intention. But of course, people like you are seeing things that really aren't there- just like people did with The Dark Knight with Bush. I also called BS on that as well.

Actually the creators said it was their point. They meant to liken it to the Obama administration. I think the show did make good points, especially about using the internet (facebook) to recruit people to their sides.

Watch the show, Lee. There are VERY obvious connections. I think the OP really just posted things in a very bad and inflammatory way.
Having now seen the first two episodes of the show, I think the most important observation to make is that the show is terrible. Bad writing. Bad acting. Bad music. Just bad.

Any deep social meaning people find in the show is, I think, largely of their own creation. To read a lot into the show would a mistake because it would proceed from the assumption that there's a lot there. I don't think there is.

Man. Just really bad.

Agree.

[-aggie-]

I suggest the OP go watch the original V. I don't think Obama was our president back in the 70's and the new show has the same plot as the original.:rolleyes:

It's only a TV show. Keep saying that.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I suggest the OP go watch the original V. I don't think Obama was our president back in the 70's and the new show has the same plot as the original.:rolleyes:

It's only a TV show. Keep saying that.

It's the same plot, but not the same script. The OP is spot on about it mimicking Obama's campaign. It's not like this is the first time a television show has mimicked a real life event. :rolleyes:

[Thomas Veil]

It's the same plot, but not the same script. The OP is spot on about it mimicking Obama's campaign. They may be using the buzzwords but as the producers said, it's not a commentary on the administration.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

They may be using the buzzwords but as the producers said, it's not a commentary on the administration.

:rolleyes:
Care to read Blue Velvet's post (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8759428&postcount=44) a little closer? The producers said there's no political agenda behind the similarities, but the similarities are in fact intentional.

WATCH THE FIRST EPISODE. THEY DON'T EVEN DO IT SUBTLY.


OH Nice, edit. Care to please switch it back to what I intended to quote?

[Thomas Veil]

I both read BV's post and watched the first episode. No problem there.

And though I made a mistake, I certainly wouldn't want to go back and re-make it...so no.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

They may be using the buzzwords but as the producers said, it's not a commentary on the administration.

I never said it was commentary on the administration. Everyone who is saying it's just coincidence because this show is a remake is a bald-face lying or extremely misinformed.