Why do some people like to preach?

[greygray]

Atheists welcome. I mean, why do some members here come here, preach a hell lot, batter back and forth and tell you that you will die or you will blah blah blah if you don't follow the bible/other religious book. Religion should never be force-fed and nobody will bother to listen to you even if you preach your head off and force people to accept what your religion teaches you! :rolleyes:

Anybody with me? Thoughts?

[Queso]

We're all guilty of preaching occasionally, whether our sermons be based on religion or a political position. Evangelising our viewpoint is the thing that leads to us spending time posting in a PRSI forum :)

[Scepticalscribe]

Amen to that, OP, I am certainly with you. Actually, I grew up in a most oppressive, actually suffocating, religious environment (not blaming my parents in any way, they were liberals), so yes, I know - nay, I have lived - what you describe.

What bothers me most is the certainty of such people, almost certainly bred of the belief that a divinity has inspired their world view. Yes, indeed, why preach, instead, in a spirit of tolerance, why not let people find their own way to salvation?

Cheers

[Sky Blue]

Atheists welcome. I mean, why do some members here come here, preach a hell lot, batter back and forth and tell you that you will die or you will blah blah blah if you don't follow the bible/other religious book. Religion should never be force-fed and nobody will bother to listen to you even if you preach your head off and force people to accept what your religion teaches you! :rolleyes:


You're going to go to hell with that kind of talk.

[Stella]

There's a few people in Toronto that like to preach on street corners.

Maybe all preachers have one thing in common: mental illness?

[Iscariot]

There's a few people in Toronto that like to preach on street corners.

Maybe all preachers have one thing in common: mental illness?

"Beliiefv in JEEESSUS"
"*mumble mumble holy GAHD"

[ucfgrad93]

We're all guilty of preaching occasionally, whether our sermons be based on religion or a political position. Evangelising our viewpoint is the thing that leads to us spending time posting in a PRSI forum :)

Agreed, many people preach here. Just look at all of the sermons against Glenn Beck, Fox News, etc.:D

[greygray]

You're going to go to hell with that kind of talk.

Lol. You say I'm going to hell. ****, I'm damned! :rolleyes::p:D

[Heilage]

I preach rationality. I'm a real ******* that way. :)

Thing is, we all preach the things we believe in. An exchange of opinion is basically two-way preaching. You try to convince the other party that you are right/know better/bla bla.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Just because someone is an atheist doesn't mean they don't preach. These forums crawl the the preachiest of atheists. There are a few preachy christians, but atheists here take the cake.

I'm not complaining. People are lying if they say they don't like preaching. Sure, they might not like certain subjects, but no one doesn't like preaching.

[Blue Velvet]

I mean, why do some members here come here, preach a hell lot?


I'm not sure why. People should be left alone to choose the type of computer they want that makes them happy.

[Tesselator]

Interesting there would be a thread here about this. I've been reading just about everything in this sub-forum during the past 6 months or so and spot-reading for much longer than that and I've not seen one single instance of this. The closest it's come is where a few people talked about what the bible had to say on a specific topic. I've simply not seen anyone preach "God" here at all. Plenty of opinions and soap-boxes for them but nothing on God.

So where is this question even coming from? What, this is a preemptive strike or something? Or some misunderstanding about something you misread? And the way you say it "a hell [of a] lot" it's like happening all the time here. Yeah? Where?

Whatcha smoke'n bro??

[Tomorrow]

...some members here come here, preach a hell lot, batter back and forth and tell you that you will die or you will blah blah blah if you don't follow the bible/other religious book.

Really? Who's doing that? Because I haven't seen that in these forums. Sure, I've read posts from believers here, but nobody threatening me with death or "blah blah blah."

More importantly, if it bothers you so much, why are you reading it?

[Surely]

"Beliiefv in JEEESSUS"
"*mumble mumble holy GAHD"

Are you, by any chance, talking about the old guy at the NW corner of Yonge and Dundas? Is he still doing his thing there?

[Gelfin]

There is a well established theory on this point that says if you make people to understand how deeply in trouble you feel, explain to them about your insomnia, and then convince them of the seriousness of your infant retention policy, they can be persuaded to forego the urge to preach.

[63dot]

The great thing about some countries is freedom of speech.

Imagine what it would be like, and some posters on Macrumors probably live in countries without freedom of speech, not to be able to express one's opinions.

Right now, I have been harassed by a person with some strong cult ties, but the good thing is I don't have to listen, and they don't have to take offense since they also know it's a free country (USA). In some other context, their words, or my refusal to listen, could lead to a war or violence. Their cult has been attacked physically by some haters and some of their cult members have attacked "non-believers", but basically violence between the cult and non cult members has been fairly rare.

I think the freedom of speech I grew up with allows me to have friends who have different beliefs, or even no beliefs.

[Ttownbeast]

Interesting there would be a thread here about this. I've been reading just about everything in this sub-forum during the past 6 months or so and spot-reading for much longer than that and I've not seen one single instance of this. The closest it's come is where a few people talked about what the bible had to say on a specific topic. I've simply not seen anyone preach "God" here at all. Plenty of opinions and soap-boxes for them but nothing on God.

So where is this question even coming from? What, this is a preemptive strike or something? Or some misunderstanding about something you misread? And the way you say it "a hell [of a] lot" it's like happening all the time here. Yeah? Where?

Whatcha smoke'n bro??

Dude WTF you smokin? you preach about the new world order calling everyone who doesn't believe it exists stupid. get a grip.

[greygray]

Really? Who's doing that? Because I haven't seen that in these forums. Sure, I've read posts from believers here, but nobody threatening me with death or "blah blah blah."

More importantly, if it bothers you so much, why are you reading it?

I come across it and it irritates me. Like graywolf and his preaching fantasies. Look at the thread about "the conservative bible". You'll get what I mean. ;)

[Tesselator]

Dude WTF you smokin? you preach about the new world order calling everyone who doesn't believe it exists stupid. get a grip.

Can you be any more off topic or irrelevant to what's being discussed?

The discussion was started by saying:

"why do some members here come here, preach a hell lot, batter back and forth and tell you that you will die or you will blah blah blah if you don't follow the bible/other religious book. Religion should never be force-fed..."

I admitted there were plenty of soap boxes for all the opinions - like mine on the NWO for example. So, umm, like, err, WHAT?


Some people's parents, I swear!!! Gah!

[Tomorrow]

I come across it and it irritates me. Like graywolf and his preaching fantasies. Look at the thread about "the conservative bible". You'll get what I mean. ;)

I have read and replied in that thread. I didn't see any death threats.

Besides, he's just a religious guy with his beliefs, let him have those. There are plenty of atheists here with their own beliefs. Disagree all you like, but one person's beliefs and opinions are no better than another's simply on the basis of being different.

Now it sounds to me like you've gone from saying you're being "force-fed" religion to saying "it irritates" you. If you keep thinking about it, it might just become only a minor annoyance, then you'll eventually reach the point where you finally realize it isn't worth getting yourself worked up over. You're on the right track.

[charlesbronsen]

I'm not sure why. People should be left alone to choose the type of computer they want that makes them happy.

haha good one;)

[Zombie Acorn]

I preach to give them a taste of their own medicine. Vindication!

[NT1440]

Can you be any more off topic or irrelevant to what's being discussed?

The discussion was started by saying:

"why do some members here come here, preach a hell lot, batter back and forth and tell you that you will die or you will blah blah blah if you don't follow the bible/other religious book. Religion should never be force-fed..."

I admitted there were plenty of soap boxes for all the opinions - like mine on the NWO for example. So, umm, like, err, WHAT?


Some people's parents, I swear!!! Gah!
The thing about forums is you can go off on tangents as long as they somehow relate to the topic, so yes, he can bring up your NWO posts just as you can bring up my "not fighting for freedom" posts and they are both equally relevant to the topic.

[Tesselator]

The thing about forums is you can go off on tangents as long as they somehow relate to the topic, so yes, he can bring up your NWO posts just as you can bring up my "not fighting for freedom" posts and they are both equally relevant to the topic.

I never questioned whether he could or couldn't.

Really, can no one here read English?

[Shivetya]

Atheists welcome. I mean, why do some members here come here, preach a hell lot, batter back and forth and tell you that you will die or you will blah blah blah if you don't follow the bible/other religious book. Religion should never be force-fed and nobody will bother to listen to you even if you preach your head off and force people to accept what your religion teaches you! :rolleyes:

Anybody with me? Thoughts?

and you are doing what exactly?


I guess we were short of religion bashing threads again. Is the quota met yet for November?

[63dot]

This thread should be retitled, "Preach, baby, preach!".

Here's my addition, "Beat the Yankees, beat the Yankees, beat the Yankees".

[NT1440]

Can you be any more off topic or irrelevant to what's being discussed?


I never questioned whether he could or couldn't.

Really, can no one here read English?

What? Please explain. :confused:

I took it that you were saying he was off topic, but now your saying he's free to discuss it. I'm honestly confused.

[imac/cheese]

Atheists welcome.

I am not an atheist, but I hope I am welcome as well.

I mean, why do some members here come here, preach a hell lot, batter back and forth and tell you that you will die or you will blah blah blah if you don't follow the bible/other religious book.

Biblically, people preach the gospel to others because they want others to trust in Christ for their salvation. Of course there are many other reasons for preaching such as ego, self-assurance, fear, doubt, money, and overcompensation.

Religion should never be force-fed and nobody will bother to listen to you even if you preach your head off and force people to accept what your religion teaches you! :rolleyes:

On the contrary, I would guess that there are a very large number of people who have listened to and even believed things that were force-fed to them by over zealous preachers. I don't agree with this method, but it is hard to deny that in some cases it works very effectively. I still remember the phone number of the used car lot that screamed their number in a horribly irritating television commercial from 20 years ago. Of course I would never call the place, but I do remember the number.

[63dot]

Biblically, people preach the gospel to others because they want others to trust in Christ for their salvation. Of course there are many other reasons for preaching such as ego, self-assurance, fear, doubt, money, and overcompensation.


If people preached their religious beliefs, then that is good, even necessary.

What is bad is when there is a political motivation behind it. This means Bush with the Christian right, Obama with switching churches after having been with the same church for years because it looked bad, and McCain suddenly speaking "religious speak" after having not said anything for decades just to get a leg up on Huckabee. This is America, so I don't know if other countries do this too, whether with Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or other religions.

[Ttownbeast]

What? Please explain. :confused:

I took it that you were saying he was off topic, but now your saying he's free to discuss it. I'm honestly confused.

Tess is the pot calling the kettle black kind so to speak, but the kettles he criticizes note there is a crack in the pot.

[imac/cheese]

If people preached their religious beliefs, then that is good, even necessary.

What is bad is when there is a political motivation behind it. This means Bush with the Christian right, Obama with switching churches after having been with the same church for years because it looked bad, and McCain suddenly speaking "religious speak" after having not said anything for decades just to get a leg up on Huckabee. This is America, so I don't know if other countries do this too, whether with Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or other religions.

I agree with you here. There should be no mixing of religion and politics.

[NT1440]

Tess is the pot calling the kettle black kind so to speak, but the kettles he criticizes note there is a crack in the pot.

His continuous flip flopping and shifting of goal posts is what gets me. Sometimes I respect him for being able to keep track of all of it, I know if I changed the subject/focus that many times to weasel out of something I'd be dizzy.

[Tesselator]

Seriously! You guysezz English sucksezz!

The OP said people on MR preach about how you must believe in God too much.

I said I've never seen people preaching about God.

Ttownbeast said BS, You preach about the NWO.

........WTF?? NWO != God

I say that was not the topic nor what I was talking about.

NT1440 said he can say that if he wants.

I said: I never said he couldn't.



Where's the flip-flopping? You all do know that words have actual literal meanings right? Where's the black pot? No wonder you guys think Obama-care and Carbon Taxes are good and Global Warming is real - y'all have like zero reading comprehension skills.

[63dot]

I agree with you here. There should be no mixing of religion and politics.

...this mixing, and bad consequences, goes back to Pharisees and Saducees vs. the Messiah

If there were any harsh words spoken against anybody in the New Testament, it was Jesus talking about those politicos who masqueraded as religious and/or spiritual authority.

[Ttownbeast]

Seriously! You guysezz English sucksezz!

The OP said people on MR preach about how you must believe in God too much.

I said I've never seen people preaching about God.

Ttownbeast said BS, You preach about the NWO.

........WTF?? NWO != God

I say that was not the topic nor what I was talking about.

NT1440 said he can say that if he wants.

I said: I never said he couldn't.



Where's the flip-flopping? You all do know that words have actual literal meanings right? Where's the black pot? No wonder you guys think Obama-care and Carbon Taxes are good and Global Warming is real - y'all have like zero reading comprehension skills.

When the black pot is a crack pot it's obvious. Who's says I like Obama? Who says my interests in the environment aren't just for selfish reasons--if I have any interest in it at all other than for my own purposes? Preaching is preaching no matter the subject I do it too, it doesn't have to be about the deity(s).

[Iscariot]

Are you, by any chance, talking about the old guy at the NW corner of Yonge and Dundas? Is he still doing his thing there?

Yes, and yes. Would it be Yonge and Dundas without him?

[leekohler]

Yes, and yes. Would it be Yonge and Dundas without him?

Didn't we see that guy when I was there?

[Iscariot]

Didn't we see that guy when I was there?

Yessir, I do believe we did!

[leekohler]

Yessir, I do believe we did!

There's at least one in every city. :)

[The Californian]

I'm not sure why. People should be left alone to choose the type of computer they want that makes them happy.

Agreed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iJm5jvOmR0&feature=related

[Gelfin]

There's at least one in every city. :)

Indeed. This just made me realize I haven't seen Frank Chu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Chu) in a while. I hope he's okay. I'd hate for the "Jesus Loves You" sign guy and the dismembered fetus sign people at Powell & Market to lose their edge due to lack of competition.

[greygray]

Preaching is intolerable at best IMO. I don't know how you guys feel but that's the way I was brought up. Preaching about this and that is just like religious nagging, only worse.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Jesus died for your sins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0LTKY6Wc7g

please. I know that this is your thread, but let's keep it about preaching, not religion bashing.

[greygray]

please. I know that this is your thread, but let's keep it about preaching, not religion bashing.

Ok. I'll remove it.

[topgun072003]

Here's what tends to happen, when you don't agree with someone and what they may be talking about, they're preaching. If you do agree with them, then they're speaking the truth and everyone should listen.

Obviously this isn't every instance, but there is truth and theories backing up the statements above. One can never be completely objective and free of their personal biases.

[Tomorrow]

Here's what tends to happen, when you don't agree with someone and what they may be talking about, they're preaching. If you do agree with them, then they're speaking the truth and everyone should listen.

Obviously this isn't every instance, but there is truth and theories backing up the statements above. One can never be completely objective and free of their personal biases.

QFT.

Preaching is intolerable at best IMO. I don't know how you guys feel but that's the way I was brought up. Preaching about this and that is just like religious nagging, only worse.

Are you not doing the same thing by passionately expressing your views? Or is preaching only a bad thing if it's in favor of religion?

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Preaching is intolerable at best IMO. I don't know how you guys feel but that's the way I was brought up. Preaching about this and that is just like religious nagging, only worse.

You've been doing nothing but preaching this whole thread.

[imac/cheese]

Here's what tends to happen, when you don't agree with someone and what they may be talking about, they're preaching. If you do agree with them, then they're speaking the truth and everyone should listen...

Unless you live in the south where the phrase, "Preach it Brother!" is used quite often to show one's agreement.

[63dot]

Indeed. This just made me realize I haven't seen Frank Chu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Chu) in a while. I hope he's okay. I'd hate for the "Jesus Loves You" sign guy and the dismembered fetus sign people at Powell & Market to lose their edge due to lack of competition.

Man, working and going to school there, I somehow missed this guy. On Market Street? I must have been blind! There are a lot of crazies in SF, but this guy takes the cake. How could one miss an Asian guy with a bizarre sign and tons of media attention. I guess I never had the honor to meet the guy. :)

And how safe can it be to be walking around SF with a sign anywhere near the SOMA or Tenderloin with an Impeach Clinton sign? It's amazing nobody violent took offense. That would be as safe as walking around Texas with an Impeach Bush sign these past 8 years.

[Gelfin]

Man, working and going to school there, I somehow missed this guy. On Market Street? I must have been blind! There are a lot of crazies in SF, but this guy takes the cake. How could one miss an Asian guy with a bizarre sign and tons of media attention. I guess I never had the honor to meet the guy. :)

And how safe can it be to be walking around SF with a sign anywhere near the SOMA or Tenderloin with an Impeach Clinton sign? It's amazing nobody violent took offense. That would be as safe as walking around Texas with an Impeach Bush sign these past 8 years.

I never got the impression that the seedier elements of SOMA or the Tenderloin cared much about partisan politics. If you're going to get assaulted there, it won't be because of the sign you're carrying. In any case, anybody who lives downtown is bound to at least know of Frank. Even if they didn't, I think his support for a Zegnatronic Rocket Society is a fair tipoff that getting offended is a waste of time.

Also, though, Frank switched up politicians from time to time, including the occasional long-dead or apparently just made-up one.

[Surely]

Yes, and yes. Would it be Yonge and Dundas without him?

Yonge and Dundas would definitely not be the same without him or those black guys in suits that hand you a photocopied Black History booklet as if it is free, and THEN chase you down and ask you to pay for it. I hate that tactic.

[greygray]

You've been doing nothing but preaching this whole thread.

Yeah, whatever. :rolleyes: Nobody forces you to post here if you don't like it. There's always the red close button on the top left corner.

[rasmasyean]

Reality and truth aside, religion is just a tool. In many cases, whether it’s accepted by one party versus another, the "facts" are purely artificial.

As with any tool, some people use this to attempt to change their environment to how they want it. Whether it’s to enable themselves to do something, or enables someone else to do something they like, it’s a hope that it will cause a perceived favorable circumstance. Does it help you cope with disaster, or help you help others by making them do “good” things?

Just the same with science. That’s a tool too. The avid scientist preaches too…like a priest, up to the level of being a professor who “professes”. This tool can also be used to change the environment to the scientist's liking. Does it prevent or even reverse the effects of a disaster or help other people make gadgets to do “good” things.

Keep in mind that “good” as quoted is always relative. Most people preach to attempt to do good in their mind. Sometimes they think they are guiding people who are “lost”…just like your Calculus professor guides you when you are oblivious to the “rules of numbers”.

Now that I’m done preaching… ;)