More Flip-Flops...

[jayb2000]

In September 2001, he said capturing bin Laden was "our No. 1 priority." By March 2002, he was claiming, "I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important."

In October 2001, he was dead set against the need for a Department of Homeland Security. Seven months later, he thought it was a great idea.

In May 2002, he opposed the creation of the 9/11 commission. Four months later, he supported it.

During the 2000 campaign, he said that gay marriage was a states' rights issue: "The states can do what they want to do." During the 2004 campaign, he called for a constitutional ban on gay marriage.

Dizzy yet? No? OK:

He supported CO2 caps, then opposed them. He opposed trade tariffs, then he didn't. Then he did again. He was against nation building, then he was OK with it. We'd found WMD, then we hadn't. Saddam was linked to Osama, then he wasn't. Then he was ... sorta. Chalabi was in, then he was out. Way out.

We didn't need more troops, then we did. We didn't need more money, then we did. Preemption was a great idea -- on to Syria, Iran and North Korea! Then it wasn't -- hello, diplomacy! Baathists were the bad guys, then Baathists were our buds. We didn't need the U.N., then we did.

And all this from a man who, once upon a time, made "credibility" a key to his appeal. (Well, in his defense, he's never lied about oral sex.)




Except this is Bush! :D
Thanks to salon.com for this one.

[zimv20]

is that from an arianna huffington column? if so, please provide a link and give her credit.

[blackfox]

is that from an arianna huffington column? if so, please provide a link and give her credit.
Indeed it is zim...(good memory)
allow me to provide a linky-poo:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/huffington/2004/07/15/flip_flop/index.html

[zimv20]

Indeed it is zim...(good memory)
allow me to provide a linky-poo:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/huffington/2004/07/15/flip_flop/index.html
funny how the brain works. i thought they were jay's words until i got to 'Dizzy yet?'

thanks for posting the link

[jayb2000]

is that from an arianna huffington column? if so, please provide a link and give her credit.

Yes, it was, I was not sure if I could link to it directly. I did say salon.com, not trying to take credit.

[mischief]

Who is George W Bush?

[Dale Sorel]

Who is George W Bush?

According to many on this forum he's the resurrection of Hitler :p

[mischief]

According to many on this forum he's the resurrection of Hitler :p

I equate him to Emperor Hirohito (Sp?) of Japan who decided to take over the Pacific rim and included Hawaii in his plans, holding the USA in little regard as, after all it was his DIVINE RIGHT to own the Pacific.

I leave it to my esteemed volunteer research assistant IJ Reilly to provide more historical depth. ;) :D :rolleyes:

[pseudobrit]

According to many on this forum he's the resurrection of Hitler :p

Resurrection, no. Perhaps a student.

[yellow]

GWB: "There's an old saying in Tennessee... well, it's an old saying in Texas, I believe also in Tennessee. Fool me once..."
GWB: "... shame on you"
GWB: "Fool me..." {pause}
GWB: "Fuduhfuh..... won't get fooled again."

Sage words.. sage words. Good times.

[mischief]

GWB: There's an old saying in Tennessee... well, it's an old saying in Texas, I believe also in Tennessee. "Fool me once..."
GWB: "... shame on you"
GWB: "Fool me..." {pause}
GWB: "Fuduhfuh..... won't get fooled again."

Sounds foolish. Also sounds Befuddled... Fuddish....

"Dwatt that Wascawwy Demokwatt!!"

" Come outta that hole Bin Wadden befo'e I bwast you out!"

[Sayhey]

GWB: "There's an old saying in Tennessee... well, it's an old saying in Texas, I believe also in Tennessee. Fool me once..."
GWB: "... shame on you"
GWB: "Fool me..." {pause}
GWB: "Fuduhfuh..... won't get fooled again."

Sage words.. sage words. Good times.

I think he was channeling through a coke induced fog a vague memory of a Who concert.

[yellow]

I think he was channeling through a coke induced fog a vague memory of a Who concert. If I was drinking milk, I can assure you it would be splurting out my nose! :)

[Krizoitz]

I equate him to Emperor Hirohito (Sp?) of Japan who decided to take over the Pacific rim and included Hawaii in his plans, holding the USA in little regard as, after all it was his DIVINE RIGHT to own the Pacific.

I leave it to my esteemed volunteer research assistant IJ Reilly to provide more historical depth. ;) :D :rolleyes:

Take a history class man. Hirohito did not spear head the war, it was the military leaders of the country.

[skunk]

Take a history class man. Hirohito did not spear head the war, it was the military leaders of the country.
Those same leaders who transmuted themselves and their clans into the postwar industrial corporations.

[mischief]

Take a history class man. Hirohito did not spear head the war, it was the military leaders of the country.

The same arguement could be made about Dubyaw and his corporate cadre.

[IJ Reilly]

The same arguement could be made about Dubyaw and his corporate cadre.

Seems I missed my "calling." Sorry. But you have got it right here, I believe. One of the strongest points made in F9-11 was an illustration of the connections between corporations and the war-making machine led by the President. Wasn't it that commie-pinko Dwight Eisenhower who first warned us about this? The military-industrial complex hasn't gone away, it's only become more entrenched, and evidently, the country more enured to it.

[zimv20]

Wasn't it that commie-pinko Dwight Eisenhower who first warned us about this?
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." -- President Dwight D. Eisenhower April 16, 1953

[takao]

if bush can be compared to a historic leader that it would one of 'our' late royal emperors of the habsburger dynasty:

trying to hold together a complete mess,good intentions and christian morals all over the place, but handicaped by complete incompetence and problems with understanding a changing world

sadly bush is missing out the funny helmets and uniforms

[evil]

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." -- President Dwight D. Eisenhower April 16, 1953

that is an excellent quote.

[mischief]

if bush can be compared to a historic leader that it would one of 'our' late royal emperors of the habsburger dynasty:

trying to hold together a complete mess,good intentions and christian morals all over the place, but handicaped by complete incompetence and problems with understanding a changing world

sadly bush is missing out the funny helmets and uniforms

If we're going to compare to the Eurasian royal lines I'd say more like Czar Nicholas of Russia.

If we're talking strategy however I'd compare him more to the pre-WW2 french leadership. Nothing quite like a huge, impenetrable armoured border that only goes partway round. :rolleyes: :D :eek: ;)

[evil]

If we're going to compare to the Eurasian royal lines I'd say more like Czar Nicholas of Russia.

If we're talking strategy however I'd compare him more to the pre-WW2 french leadership. Nothing quite like a huge, impenetrable armoured border that only goes partway round. :rolleyes: :D :eek: ;)


ahh i love the story of the maginot line.
quite amusing.

[yellow]

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." -- President Dwight D. Eisenhower April 16, 1953

Way to go, Ike! You (were) da man!

[zimv20]

if bush can be compared to a historic leader that it would one of 'our' late royal emperors of the habsburger dynasty:

some time ago, i'd put forth the idea that the world is about to undergo another change in how power is held.

the power of the family (e.g. the hapsburgs) gave way to the power of the state (i.e. countries). this is the current power, but i think it's going to give way to the super-state (witness the EU).

bush, however, i think wants to go back to the power of the family. in this particular case, it goes beyond the bush name and includes others. but this extended family (we can look at the carlyle group to get an idea of its membership) would still want to hold power close to itself.

[takao]

bush, however, i think wants to go back to the power of the family. in this particular case, it goes beyond the bush name and includes others. but this extended family (we can look at the carlyle group to get an idea of its membership) would still want to hold power close to itself.

with the only difference that the one of the mottos of the habsburger were "Bella gerant alii, tu felix Austria, nube!" (="Let others wage war, you happy
Austria, marry!")

the family thing is intresting but nothing more than a theory ;)

[IJ Reilly]

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." -- President Dwight D. Eisenhower April 16, 1953

Which only shows to go how far right the debate has moved. If any prominent politician used those words today, he'd be ripped up one side and down the other by Limbaugh and O'Reilly.

[Chip NoVaMac]

Resurrection, no. Perhaps a student.

Yeah, I am waiting for the banners hanging around the hall for the RNC convention. And his Leni Riefenstahl inspired film - him on the phone aboard AF1 on 9/11, him in his jumpsuit arriving on the USS Lincoln (later that same day with a banner "Mission Accomplished" overhead). Oh, so many choices images too choose from.

[Chip NoVaMac]

Take a history class man. Hirohito did not spear head the war, it was the military leaders of the country.

Sort of like Bush being a puppet of the RNC hawks, and the Military-Industrial Complex today?

[Chip NoVaMac]

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." -- President Dwight D. Eisenhower April 16, 1953

When did the Republicans lose their compassion?

[mischief]

When did the Republicans lose their compassion?

Joe McCarthy was the instigation of modern NeoConism as far as I'm concerned.

Nixon was the coffin in which the Republican Conscience was buried.

[IJ Reilly]

Speaking of flip-flops, the White House announced over the weekend that the President now has to, er... I mean will, adopt and support some of the 9-11 Commission's recommendations.

[mischief]

Speaking of flip-flops, the White House announced over the weekend that the President now has to, er... I mean will, adopt and support some of the 9-11 Commission's recommendations.

Yup, it's all going to take time of course... with such large agencies we couldn't possibly begin any real changes beyond approving legislation until say.... 2009.

This assumes of course that there will be no need for the Emergency Powers Act or delaying the election due to imminent terrorist threats that, of course are top secret so we couldn't possibly tell you what they are...

In other news, the Bush administration is assigning a Special Commission to look into allegations they have from a reliable source that the Democratic Party has been engaged in aiding Al Qaida.

[IJ Reilly]

In other news, the Bush administration is assigning a Special Commission to look into allegations they have from a reliable source that the Democratic Party has been engaged in aiding Al Qaida.

How did you know?"[Kerry's] plan for Iraq, such as it is, is to have other people, dark skinned foreigners, from the Middle East fight our war for us. He said it last night in his speech. I watched his speech."
--Tucker Carlson, CNN (7-30-04)

"Every terrorist is hoping John Kerry gets elected. I'll say it. Every terrorist out there is hoping John Kerry is the next president of the United States."
--Oliver North, Fox (6-8-04)

"What happens, Senator Breaux, if it looks like that Al Qaeda is playing cards here, playing a game of trying to get people to vote Democrat for president, to basically make their case worldwide? Doesn't it put your party in a terrible position of having Al Qaeda rooting for you?"
--Chris Matthews, MSNBC (7-8-04)

"There is some speculation that Al Qaeda believes it has a better chance of winning in Iraq if John Kerry is in the White House."
--Wolf Blitzer, CNN (5-27-04)

"Al Qaeda and the Ba'ath Party want to defeat Bush to avenge his tough stance against them after the 9/11 attacks. They know that John Kerry would usher back the Clinton days of timid U.S. reaction and that the Democrat's likely repeal of vital sections of the Patriot Act would open the door for their terror strikes in America. The thugs want Bush out and are determined to ratchet up the cost of the Iraq War to bring about his ouster. That's why they will target any American they can."
--Dick Morris, New York Post (6-5-04)

" I'm going to tell you is what's good for Al Qaeda is good for the Democratic Party in this country today. That's how you boil this down. And it doesn't have to be Al Qaeda. What's good for terrorists is good for John Kerry."
--Rush Limbaugh (3/15/04)

"So the only real question is, if Al Qaeda's active and capable, what are they going to do? Because we know what they want: they want Kerry, they want the Democrats in power."
--Rush Limbaugh (3/15/04)

"I mean, if you wonder -- if you want the terrorists running the show, then you will elect John Kerry."
--Rush Limbaugh (3/18/04)

"I'm telling you, we're in the midst of a huge liberal crackup. They are so motivated by the quest for power. They are so motivated by rage and hatred, that they are not in power. And they focus that on Bush. That they have aligned themselves unwittingly -- I'm going to grant them that -- with those who intend harm on this country."
--Rush Limbaugh (3/24/04)

"You don't hear the Democrats being critical of terrorists. In fact, you hear the Democrats saying, 'We've got to find a way to get along with them.'"
--Rush Limbaugh (4/5/04)

"Senator Kennedy, a simple question. Does it please you to learn who your friends are? Does it excite you, Senator Kennedy, to learn that the militant, firebrand, murderer of American civilians and military personnel is on your side, Senator Kennedy? Does it encourage you? Does it invigorate you? Does it inspire you, Senator Kennedy, to know that a murdering Al Qaeda-related terrorist has taken up your argument for use against his enemy? How does that make you feel, Senator Kennedy? Does it embarrass you? Because it should. Or does it probably excite you and think you're making headway now. You've got the enemy aligned with you."
--Rush Limbaugh (4-8-04)

[acdninjapan]

Take a history class man. Hirohito did not spear head the war, it was the military leaders of the country.

True, the Emperor Showa was the Supreme Patsy. Even today the Imperial family cannot do anything for themselves. The current Crown Prince and his wife tried to rebel and were slapped down horribly by the politicians. In WW2 the militarists decided to create the Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, another name for what the British, Dutch, French and other great powers were doing the 5 centuries before the Japanese got wise.

[zimv20]

--Tucker Carlson, CNN (7-30-04)
--Oliver North, Fox (6-8-04)
--Chris Matthews, MSNBC (7-8-04)
--Wolf Blitzer, CNN (5-27-04)
--Dick Morris, New York Post (6-5-04)
--Rush Limbaugh (3/15/04)
--Rush Limbaugh (3/15/04)
--Rush Limbaugh (3/18/04)
--Rush Limbaugh (3/24/04)
--Rush Limbaugh (4/5/04)
--Rush Limbaugh (4-8-04)
all esteemed members of the liberal media

[mischief]

all esteemed members of the liberal media


"Liberal"????!?

Limbaugh?

Dear me! I seem to have forgotten my pointy hood! :eek:

[acdninjapan]

How did you know?"[Kerry's] plan for Iraq, such as it is, is to have other people, dark skinned foreigners, from the Middle East fight our war for us. He said it last night in his speech. I watched his speech."
--Tucker Carlson, CNN (7-30-04)

"Every terrorist is hoping John Kerry gets elected. I'll say it. Every terrorist out there is hoping John Kerry is the next president of the United States."
--Oliver North, Fox (6-8-04)

"What happens, Senator Breaux, if it looks like that Al Qaeda is playing cards here, playing a game of trying to get people to vote Democrat for president, to basically make their case worldwide? Doesn't it put your party in a terrible position of having Al Qaeda rooting for you?"
--Chris Matthews, MSNBC (7-8-04)

"There is some speculation that Al Qaeda believes it has a better chance of winning in Iraq if John Kerry is in the White House."
--Wolf Blitzer, CNN (5-27-04)

"Al Qaeda and the Ba'ath Party want to defeat Bush to avenge his tough stance against them after the 9/11 attacks. They know that John Kerry would usher back the Clinton days of timid U.S. reaction and that the Democrat's likely repeal of vital sections of the Patriot Act would open the door for their terror strikes in America. The thugs want Bush out and are determined to ratchet up the cost of the Iraq War to bring about his ouster. That's why they will target any American they can."
--Dick Morris, New York Post (6-5-04)

" I'm going to tell you is what's good for Al Qaeda is good for the Democratic Party in this country today. That's how you boil this down. And it doesn't have to be Al Qaeda. What's good for terrorists is good for John Kerry."
--Rush Limbaugh (3/15/04)

"So the only real question is, if Al Qaeda's active and capable, what are they going to do? Because we know what they want: they want Kerry, they want the Democrats in power."
--Rush Limbaugh (3/15/04)

"I mean, if you wonder -- if you want the terrorists running the show, then you will elect John Kerry."
--Rush Limbaugh (3/18/04)

"I'm telling you, we're in the midst of a huge liberal crackup. They are so motivated by the quest for power. They are so motivated by rage and hatred, that they are not in power. And they focus that on Bush. That they have aligned themselves unwittingly -- I'm going to grant them that -- with those who intend harm on this country."
--Rush Limbaugh (3/24/04)

"You don't hear the Democrats being critical of terrorists. In fact, you hear the Democrats saying, 'We've got to find a way to get along with them.'"
--Rush Limbaugh (4/5/04)

"Senator Kennedy, a simple question. Does it please you to learn who your friends are? Does it excite you, Senator Kennedy, to learn that the militant, firebrand, murderer of American civilians and military personnel is on your side, Senator Kennedy? Does it encourage you? Does it invigorate you? Does it inspire you, Senator Kennedy, to know that a murdering Al Qaeda-related terrorist has taken up your argument for use against his enemy? How does that make you feel, Senator Kennedy? Does it embarrass you? Because it should. Or does it probably excite you and think you're making headway now. You've got the enemy aligned with you."
--Rush Limbaugh (4-8-04)

I don't what drugs these idiots are on! But, they are totally out of touch with reality. And that I think is the major problem with most American politicians and commentators today. They have their heads stuck collectively in the toilet.

Would somebody please flush?

[IJ Reilly]

I don't what drugs these idiots are on! But, they are totally out of touch with reality.

Well in Rush's case, it's Vicodin. I sometimes wonder if this stuff comes out while he's in a drug-induced haze, and maybe he doesn't really believe it himself. But there I go again being more generous to Rush than he'd ever be with me.

I really worry less about Rush and more about his listeners. After years of mainlining his poisoned lies, they're in serious need of a detox too.

[acdninjapan]

Well in Rush's case, it's Vicodin. I sometimes wonder if this stuff comes out while he's in a drug-induced haze, and maybe he doesn't really believe it himself. But there I go again being more generous to Rush than he'd ever be with me.

I really worry less about Rush and more about his listeners. After years of mainlining his poisoned lies, they're in serious need of a detox too.

He would go over well with the loudspeaker bunch (Japanese rightists, Yakuza and the rest of the nationalistic terrorists) here in Japan. All we have to do is get him a black uniform with a red rising sun bandana to wrap around his head and a Yasukuni Shrine swastika and have him scream at the top of his lungs through a loudspeaker the stuff he's been ranting about for years....

Of course Rush, like so many of these people has been living in a dreamworld. Someday soon they will be in for a rude awaking.

[acdninjapan]

Well in Rush's case, it's Vicodin. I sometimes wonder if this stuff comes out while he's in a drug-induced haze, and maybe he doesn't really believe it himself. But there I go again being more generous to Rush than he'd ever be with me.

I really worry less about Rush and more about his listeners. After years of mainlining his poisoned lies, they're in serious need of a detox too.

He would go over well with the loudspeaker bunch (Japanese rightists, Yakuza and the rest of the nationalistic terrorists) here in Japan. All we have to do is get him a black uniform with a red rising sun bandana to wrap around his head and a Yasukuni Shrine swastika and have him scream at the top of his lungs through a loudspeaker the stuff he's been ranting about for years....

Of course Rush, like so many of these people has been living in a dreamworld. Someday soon they will be in for a rude awaking.