New G4 Box — ?

[8320]

Has Apple lost all sense of design? They ruined their perfectly clean-looking Web site by cluttering it with leopard spots and brushed metal. As for this photo of the alleged new G4 case—I pray it's a hoax. I would never put that ugly thing in my house, much less want it on my desk at work. Is that a safety deposit box built into the front of it? Powerful or not, half of being a Mac user is about style.

I think Steve Jobs has finally gone insane. That he would try to charge us for the party favors known as iTools is proof enough. As if we don't have enough expenses from our ISPs and Web hosting companies.

:mad:

[Durandal7]

You really didn't have to make a whole thread for this. You could have posted in the PM case thread or the MWNY whining thread. :rolleyes:

[job]

Feck what it looks like, I only care whats inside. :rolleyes: :D

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by hitman
Feck what it looks like, I only care whats inside. :rolleyes: :D

Which is the main reason I DON'T want vertically mounted hard drives. I severely hope that the stuff that has been getting put up is all from a failed prototype that has NOT gone into production.

I for one, wouldn't purchase that thing... it's that simple. I just hope that if it does come out, that Apple wakes up and changes it within a year to something more visually pleasing (and smarter).

Just my $20 worth. :p :D

[MacAztec]

Whats wrong with virtically mounted HDDs?

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


Which is the main reason I DON'T want vertically mounted hard drives. I severely hope that the stuff that has been getting put up is all from a failed prototype that has NOT gone into production.

I for one, wouldn't purchase that thing... it's that simple. I just hope that if it does come out, that Apple wakes up and changes it within a year to something more visually pleasing (and smarter).

Just my $20 worth. :p :D

Why does it matter if there are 2 vertically mounted drives? There are to horizontal drives according to that report and the other two would be vertical for space reasons so you would put your primary drives in the horizontal bays and only put lesser used drives in the vertical slots.

Me, I am one of the "normal" people who has no use for more than 2 drives anyway. :)

[Grokgod]

Define "normal"

[Geert]

Originally posted by MacAztec
Whats wrong with virtically mounted HDDs?

That's what I like to know too...

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by madamimadamtimallen
Why does it matter if there are 2 vertically mounted drives? There are to horizontal drives according to that report and the other two would be vertical for space reasons so you would put your primary drives in the horizontal bays and only put lesser used drives in the vertical slots.

Me, I am one of the "normal" people who has no use for more than 2 drives anyway. :)

I never claimed to be normal. :eek: :p

I don't like the idea of the drives being held in by a single screw and/or some plastic thingy. I am one of the people that tends to increase my hard drive count as time progresses. I had four drives in my last G4 before selling it (two ATA and two SCSI).

Also, who's to say that Apple won't set the hard drive ATA ribbon to go to the vertical drives first?? While there are some drives mounted on their side, they are not mounted so that the ribbon is pointing either up or down. They are on their side (90° twist from 100% horizontal, with the connections at the back). There are reasons for the drives being mounted this way... Until Apple releases the RAID array to go along with the Xserve, all other server RAID racks have the drives as I note above. Even then, those drives are SCSI, which doesn't have any issues with being mounted on one of it's sides.

From the drawings that were posted, everything inside the case is way too crammed in there. Without a healthy air flow inside the case, it will get too hot, too fast, and damage the components.

Again, I seriously hope that the images and such that are being placed online are just one design that didn't make the cut. IF that is what is coming, then I won't be purchasing it. Too many changes, and not for the better (in my not so humble opinion :p).

[Mr. Anderson]

well, the case isn't the best thing I've seen from Apple, but if it comes time for me to get a new machine, I'll buy what ever they have - provided it doesn't have problems with heat.

I'm with you there Alpha - that's one hot configuration, but maybe there's something going on that we don't know about for the cooling. I think its more of a wait and see - and I personally hope and think that this case is a defunct prototype.

D

[AlphaTech]

Aye duke, we want a computer, not a new 'easy bake' oven or a space heater. :eek: :p :D

To date, Apple has done everything possible to keep the hard drives horizontal, laying flat. Why make a radical shift from that now?? Especially in a case that places the optical drives in the middle of the front?? That alone won't fly.

Think about it, how many people place their towers under the desk?? Now those people will have to stretch even more to put a disc into the drive. There are also people that place items in front of their computer. At present, the optical drive tray clears such devices, but if you lower them, they will bang into those items.

[backspinner]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
...it will get too hot, too fast...
first everybody is complaining about the power macs being too slow, now you are complaining that it will be too fast? I don't get it :p

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by backspinner

first everybody is complaining about the power macs being too slow, now you are complaining that it will be too fast? I don't get it :p

I'm talking about thermal heat ya twit, NOT speed... :rolleyes:

[Mr. Anderson]

ah, twit, definitely a word of the month.

I was just thinking about the vertical drives and heat - by placing that way airflow goes up and around and the one drive doesn't cover another, so it might in some way aid in reducing the large amounts of heat the thing will generate. They are close to the vents in the front.

I'd love to interview the engineers who designed the damn thing - and I hate going through all the speculation, knowing the answers may never be known.

D

[zoozx]

It's fugly, it's late, and it's not going to sell. People are waiting for apple to pull it's head out of it's ash and put out a ground breaking professional machine. This ain't it.
G5's better come soon with some innovative technology and significant speed increases.
Apple has just pulled a Gates type move with the unfriendly to user policies at MWNY, and professional users are mad with good reason.
This current trend from apple is disturbing to say the least and this machine produced as filler until something significant comes is as the rest of apples blunders at MWNY, major disappointment!

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by zoozx
It's fugly, it's late, and it's not going to sell. People are waiting for apple to pull it's head out of it's ash and put out a ground breaking professional machine. This ain't it. G5's better come soon with some innovative technology and significant speed increases. Apple has just pulled a Gates type move with the unfriendly to user policies at MWNY, and professional users are mad with good reason.

lighten up a bit - all of its still speculation until we actually see it on stage with steve, ok? :rolleyes:

there's a whole thread for whining, you might want to go post over there (http://www.macrumors.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=8020)

oh, and welcome to MacRumors zoozx :D

[drastik]

whoohoo, no more whinning!

Don't care about the box, but I think its a crappy picture anyway, as it looks white but is supposedly silver. Is it possiblr that apple might be moving to some type of different drive for the vertical ones? On board SCSI (hey, my Mac Plus had it):D

[-hh]

Originally posted by drastik
Is it possible that apple might be moving to some type of different drive for the vertical ones?


I'm surprized that few have really commented about that monster heat sink. Sure, it might be what the G5 needs, but might it not also be somewhere around what a P4 would need??
:D


-hh

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by drastik
whoohoo, no more whinning!

Don't care about the box, but I think its a crappy picture anyway, as it looks white but is supposedly silver. Is it possiblr that apple might be moving to some type of different drive for the vertical ones? On board SCSI (hey, my Mac Plus had it):D

Do you want to pay the extra money to have onboard SCSI??? Besides, there are not SCSI ports on the motherboards any longer (all ATA/IDE now), so that would entail a SCSI card, chewing up one of the PCI slots. Never mind the fact that ATA drives are larger (GB) then SCSI for the same price range. You can get a 160GB ATA drive for under $300... how large of a SCSI drive can you get for that?? Something at least close to the speed of ATA133 too. :p

[theranch]

This "leaked" case is a hoax...and a ploy. Apple wouldn't build something like that after what they did with the imac. It's probably one of those 6 prototypes that were rumored to be floating around.

[cablejump]

Originally posted by 8320
I think Steve Jobs has finally gone insane. That he would try to charge us for the party favors known as iTools is proof enough. As if we don't have enough expenses from our ISPs and Web hosting companies.
:mad:


You B*STARD!! How dare you insult his Steveness!

iTools is useless anyway (for me at least)

my cableservice costs only $30 a month and generally speaking- web hosting is no huge dent in anyones pocket who uses a mac

[job]

Originally posted by zoozx
G5's better come soon with some innovative technology and significant speed increases.

The "G5" is already out for the embedded market. Apple's next chip probably won't carry the "G5" label since Moto already uses it for other purposes.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Chitman
The "G5" is already out for the embedded market. Apple's next chip probably won't carry the "G5" label since Moto already uses it for other purposes.

Any speculation on what they will call it then?? Maybe the GX (GeX the Generation eX processor ;))

Well Chitman??? :eek: :D

[job]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
GeX the Generation eX processor ;)

Don't you mean Generation X processor? :D :D

I don't care what they call it. They could call it "Fetid Pile of Steaming Skit" and I'd still buy it (providing it was fast enough. :D :D)

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Chitman
Don't you mean Generation X processor? :D :D

I don't care what they call it. They could call it "Fetid Pile of Steaming Skit" and I'd still buy it (providing it was fast enough. :D :D)

GX, GeX either works... as for FPoSS, isn't that what intel makes??? :eek: :eek: :p :D :cool:

[job]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
as for FPoSS, isn't that what intel makes??? :eek: :eek: :p :D :cool:

I knew it sounded familiar. :D :D

But now they are up to the FPoSS4 :D :D

4 times the s*it.....:D

[drastik]

They ought to call it IntellKiller...
as in...IntelKiller Inside.

Anyway, alpha, your point about the SCSI being expensive and all is well taken, I was just riffing off your comment that SCSI drives function fine on their sides.

Maybe the drives will be verticle on the long side, like the Xraids, the schematic looks a little off scale.

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by hitman
Apple's next chip probably won't carry the "G5" label since Moto already uses it for other purposes.
I'm not following you at all. Why wouldn't Apple continue to carry the G5 since Moto uses it?

[MisterMe]

Originally posted by theranch
This "leaked" case is a hoax...and a ploy. Apple wouldn't build something like that after what they did with the imac. It's probably one of those 6 prototypes that were rumored to be floating around.

It is a hoax, but it is not a case. The ugly "case" is clearly a poorly crafted composite image composed of an edited image of a Quicksilver case placed over whatever that aluminum thing is. Those are all inserted into the image of a lab setting. I see parts of at least three separate images.

It is really distressing to see so many people going on and on about one of the silliest frauds ever to befall the Mac community. Whoever perpetrated it must really be having the laugh of a lifetime.

[job]

Originally posted by pgwalsh

I'm not following you at all. Why wouldn't Apple continue to carry the G5 since Moto uses it?

The "G5" in question made by Motorola is made for the embedded market in mind. That is the main purpose of this "G5" chip, not the desktop.

Now unless Apple adopts another chip by Motorola/IBM and terms it "G5" I don't think they will be using this particular "G5" chip.

They may continue the Gx series of naming, which in that case, a "G5" would be a logical progression. I'm not saying that they will never use the "G5" name; just that it won't be this particular chip that Apple calls a "G5."

[gopher]

Originally posted by Geert


That's what I like to know too...

Gravity. It causes uneven spinning and makes it hard to spin the drive back away from the ground. The PowerMac 6500 which was one of the first vertically mounted hard drive Macs (if not the first) is one of the most repaired Macs for failing hard drives at my local user group's Tuesday night clinic. Hopefully this won't mean further hard drive failures if it is vertically mounted.

[solvs]

I think we can all agree we love the Mac OS. Why else would we be here? And we hate the way M$ does business.

But a lot of us loyalists, who once touted the superiority of the hardware, software, and the company in general, seem to be waivering. Apple isn't the only one running a business in an "economic slowdown". Most of us are at least budgeting, and need the most bang for our bucks.

Sorry to tell you, but Wintels are the competition. If Apple wants to win consumers, and keep us non-zealot supporters, they need to wake up. If Motorola is lagging, find other ways to make things look better. Faster FSB, memory, IDE, overall system improvements. The cases are neat and all, but what about what's inside? The software is Fantastic, give us the hardware to prove it. We all dislike Windows.

And M$. So why conduct business like they do? I support them buying up other companies to innovate (Apple, not M$), and giving us new software solutions, but at what costs. Should we just accept it, because it's the lesser of 2 evils? Should we just say, "well that's the fastest Mac there is, so I'll buy it". Or "it looks so stylish, who cares if it's still using last years technology". Why become complacent with the obsolesencs?

Should we have to over pay for things that others offer for free, or at least cheaper? People are mad because they feel extorted, and dammit, they have every right to be pissed. They paid extra because they thought they were getting more. Now they're getting the old "bait and switch". The extras of .Mac are worth $100/year, if they work. But what about the "free for life" e-mail. Or paying $1,000 for a new OS X.2 Server Liscense 2 months after buying a $4,000+ xServe? Or even FULL PRICE for an upgrade. They want us to buy hardware before an Expo, then punish us if we do.

See if anybody buys a new Mac after they announce 10.3, but before they deliver it. Next it will be XP type registration practices. Isn't this why we're trying to move away M$. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't get new customers by p*ssing people off, and you lose those that used to support you. How many of us used to rave to our friends, family, and co-workers about Apples? How many of us now think twice before recommending them? They want to switch people, give them a better reason to want to switch.

They want to move into the Pro realm, give us Pro hardware. Who cares if you have a 1.2 GHz CPU, if it's surrounded by ATA/133 (which really is better than ATA/66), 120 GB+ Hard Drives, PC2700 DDR, 166 FSB (x2), 2 CD Drives, USB 2, built-in Bluetooth, etc. It matters now. You can do it. How many of us use GB Ethernet, or used USB or FW when they first came out? You can't use modern day specs!?!

You want to charge us more, give us more. All you zealots can flame away. "Apple good, Wintel bad, must hide head in sand". You should see what the other side is saying, I'm a zealot to them. But I'm just trying to be a realist here. I want a new Mac, but nothing on the current roster suits my needs. I'm not paying $2,000 for style. I can't afford to. Not many can (and if you can, lucky you). Mr. Jobs, give me something fairly decent and I'll take a (slight) performance hit for the extra stability and ease of use.

It's my $$$, I'll take it where I think it would serve me best. And telling people to just go buy a PC doesn't help. Actually it just proves my point. Because that's exactly what people do. This isn't a private club, it's a business claiming to want new customers, and in doing so doesn't seem to be catering to it's current base. If anything, it's p*ssing off it's most important clientel by making a lot of really bad choices. We're not happy, and we, the customer, are what matter.

Voice your opinions people. And b*tch all you want, until someone listens. Because no, it's not "good enough".

We're mad as Hell, and we're not gonna take it anymore.

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by gopher
The PowerMac 6500 which was one of the first vertically mounted hard drive Macs (if not the first) is one of the most repaired Macs for failing hard drives
I think this is probably a manufactureing defect in the product. I imagine that all those PowerMac 6500 use drives from the same manufacturer and they're the same model. If you've ever seen the inside of a drive, mounting vertiacally or horizontally shouldn't make a difference.