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MacRumors
Nov 12, 2009, 02:02 PM
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CNET reports (http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-10396147-48.html) that TomTom has updated its turn-by-turn GPS navigation application for the iPhone with several highly-anticipated features, including text-to-speech and advanced lane guidance. The updated application has been submitted to Apple and is currently awaiting approval.The update will add text-to-speech (TTS) for spoken street names and POIs as part of the device's directions, graphic lane guidance which displays a visual representation of complex highway intersections with indications of valid lanes for the route, and a "Help menu" offering a shortcut to emergency number and directions to the nearest emergency services.Also included in the revised version are in-app iPod controls, map updates, and audio warnings to alert drivers when they are speeding or approaching safety cameras used to aid in ticketing drivers exceeding the speed limit.

The TomTom iPhone application is available in a number of countries and regions, with the U.S & Canada version [App Store (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tomtom-u-s-canada/id326075661?mt=8)] priced at $99.99.

Article Link: TomTom iPhone App to Gain Text-to-Speech, Lane Guidance (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2009/11/12/tomtom-iphone-app-to-gain-text-to-speech-lane-guidance/)



Chaos123x
Nov 12, 2009, 02:24 PM
Free update? Sweet. Thats better than $29.

VenusianSky
Nov 12, 2009, 02:26 PM
Too late for me. I went with Navigon when they added text-to-speech. If Tom Tom had these features day one, I probably would have bought it. Regardless, I am happy with Navigon.

Magnum318
Nov 12, 2009, 02:34 PM
Too late for me. I went with Navigon when they added text-to-speech. If Tom Tom had these features day one, I probably would have bought it. Regardless, I am happy with Navigon.

Very happy with Navigon..Took me to Canada and back without a problem

utwarreng
Nov 12, 2009, 02:47 PM
So basically they're adding everything that Navigon has had for well over a month now. I assume that around mid-December we should be hearing about an in-app purchase soon available for live traffic too? Having used both, I'll take Navigon nine times out of ten, even if they both had similar features. The presentation is much more appealing, and the controls much more intuitive. The only thing I prefer about Tom Tom is the ability to list each step of my route in advance, and then selectively choose if I want to avoid any certain part of the route.

hawkeye23
Nov 12, 2009, 02:51 PM
So basically they're adding everything that Navigon has had for well over a month now. I assume that around mid-December we should be hearing about an in-app purchase soon available for live traffic too? Having used both, I'll take Navigon nine times out of ten, even if they both had similar features. The presentation is much more appealing, and the controls much more intuitive. The only thing I prefer about Tom Tom is the ability to list each step of my route in advance, and then selectively choose if I want to avoid any certain part of the route.

The only thing I liked about Tom Tom was I thought the routes given to me were better. Navigon has led me on some crazy routes.

fpnc
Nov 12, 2009, 03:02 PM
I purchased the $35 CoPilot Live GPS navigation application when it first became available and I've been very pleased with the way they've continued to upgrade the program. It now has Text-to-Speech and in-app iPod controls and they have been doing significant upgrades every few months. They also have frequent in-app map updates and state that they will correct any error within 45 days of notification. I can confirm the latter as I submitted two changes in my local area and both were corrected in about one month with a free map update.

Oh, and CoPilot lets you preview the route before you begin and also offers directions via a list mode.

midas001
Nov 12, 2009, 03:05 PM
I agree with the last post. I have Navigon and Co-Pilot and Co-Pilot has contnued to make huge improvements (including live traffic). I find myself using CO-Pilot more than Navigon. I will certainly pass on Tomtom

Nuvi
Nov 12, 2009, 03:42 PM
I'm happy with my Navigon app which I find far better then TomTom iPhone app. With this update TomTom iPhone app is par with their most basic stand alone navigator. Well done TomTom... :p:p:p

senorhappy
Nov 12, 2009, 04:09 PM
Too little... too late, TomTom.

Navigon's got everything I want and need... heck, even my G-map East app does more than your way-too-expensive program.

Epic fail, TomTom!

Lovin' my Navigon!

DrewG5
Nov 12, 2009, 04:29 PM
Way too little way too late I wonder if states will still be listed as countries? Last time I looked a state was just that a state.

MTShipp
Nov 12, 2009, 04:34 PM
TomTom app = FAIL

Navigon got my $.

severe
Nov 12, 2009, 05:13 PM
This isn't big news. They had to implement these features, just to stay in the game.

Where's the snoozing guy smilie?

Stately
Nov 12, 2009, 07:39 PM
Kinda tired of hearing about these nav systems. :(

Rad99004
Nov 12, 2009, 09:48 PM
Tom-Tom Listen up !

Lower your price and I will again consider your product.

Right now your at the bottom of my list.

In the past everyone was waiting for the car Kit and updates to the app.

In the end the price and the lack luster features of the shipping app made us all walk away.

Last chance don't blow it this time.

peterdevries
Nov 13, 2009, 12:17 AM
I'm happy with my Navigon app which I find far better then TomTom iPhone app. With this update TomTom iPhone app is par with their most basic stand alone navigator. Well done TomTom... :p:p:p

Did you try and buy both?

iphones4evry1
Nov 13, 2009, 01:48 AM
"to alert drivers .. approaching safety cameras used to aid in ticketing drivers exceeding the speed limit."

A GPS App that tells you where speed cameras are??? PRICELESS !!!! :D:D:D

Nuvi
Nov 13, 2009, 01:52 AM
Did you try and buy both?

Tried both of them but only bought the Navigon one. I took a trip of over 1 000 km with the TomTom iphone app and wasn't impressed. I've used TT stand alone navigators a lot in the past. In my opinion Navigon iPhone app easily beats TT iphone app.

Nuvi
Nov 13, 2009, 01:53 AM
"to alert drivers .. approaching safety cameras used to aid in ticketing drivers exceeding the speed limit."

A GPS App that tells you where speed cameras are??? PRICELESS !!!! :D:D:D

Most of them do that...

fleshman03
Nov 13, 2009, 02:19 AM
Too late for me. I went with Navigon when they added text-to-speech. If Tom Tom had these features day one, I probably would have bought it. Regardless, I am happy with Navigon.

+.5. I bought Navigon because of TomTom's ridiculous pricing on their car dock. I would have been plenty happy to give them $150 for their app+dock.

At the time I made my purchase, Navigon had more features. I'm not looking back.

TomTom - you lost me as a customer.

Lesterm1109
Nov 13, 2009, 06:51 AM
Very happy with Navigon..Took me to Canada and back without a problem

Magunum, did you get charged data roaming or other expenses using navigon going to/in Canada?

I plan on going to Canada from the US and back, but thinking about data roaming

Navigon is a far better app than TomTom.

wwchris
Nov 13, 2009, 09:15 AM
I own TomTom, Navigator and Co-Pilot and a Garmin (cause I have a sickness for tech).

The main thing TomTom has going for it is that is gives better routes and has all of the addresses in it (at least after the address book fix update).

Navigator has a great sounding voice and is the only one that consistently handles music reduction on the ipod properly every time. Strangely enough, even with the traffic add on, it was directing me into traffic congested areas even when a direct route with no traffic is available. The POI stuff is horribly out of date too.

Co-pilot is lousy with addresses, but it is cheap and has most of the features of the other ones.

fluffer
Nov 13, 2009, 09:36 AM
Am I the odd one out? I thought 59 for the TT app was ok. Bought it and after the last update have been really happy with it. Love it's menu and routing. Only have issues with the slightly over priced dock and it's lag (that the last update has fixed.)
@Stately, if you're Kinda tired of hearing about these nav systems, surely it makes sense not to click on the thread and even more, not to bother posting?

Nuvi
Nov 13, 2009, 10:08 AM
Strangely enough, even with the traffic add on, it was directing me into traffic congested areas even when a direct route with no traffic is available. The POI stuff is horribly out of date too.

I'm not sure if its due to the location (I'm in Europe) or something else but In my experience Navigon has more straight forward and better routing. If configured "correctly" to use optimum route (not the fastest) it gets you to your destination as fast as TomTom if not faster (I've used them side by side... :o I know... two navigators side by side... hopefully no one saw me :o ) However, my main problem with TomTom is the poor Tele Atlas POI data base or more like the lack of it. I mean there are only very very small number of POI's when compared with Navigon POI data base. Its true that some of the data is old but vast majority is spot on and there is a very strong possibility that this data is missing totally from TomTom data base.

jlanuez
Nov 13, 2009, 10:57 AM
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I bought TomTom when it FINALLY came out, mostly disapointed but since I already paid the $99, glad to see an update!

Still waiting to see the dock in person though.

infoman
Nov 13, 2009, 12:05 PM
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I bought TomTom when it FINALLY came out, mostly disapointed but since I already paid the $99, glad to see an update!

Still waiting to see the dock in person though.

Dock works good and has additional benefits over the bare iphone , looks good too. Wish the price was lower, but that goes for everything I buy. Life's too short to make the price an issue, I am enjoying the purchase.

Cov
Nov 13, 2009, 05:04 PM
does anyone know if the navigon app will access the secondary gps chip in tomtom's car mount? i really want the nav app, but i need to use it in some remote places where i think the secondary chip would be really useful. i can't find anything anywhere that says one way or another if the other apps access it. i understand that tomtom didn't lock it to their app. can anyone help me?

Nuvi
Nov 14, 2009, 11:12 AM
does anyone know if the navigon app will access the secondary gps chip in tomtom's car mount? i really want the nav app, but i need to use it in some remote places where i think the secondary chip would be really useful. i can't find anything anywhere that says one way or another if the other apps access it. i understand that tomtom didn't lock it to their app. can anyone help me?

I have the TomTom car dock and use it with Navigon app. The combo works perfectly aka just like with TomTom app so you get the advantages of the dock GPS chip, speaker, mic etc.

fpnc
Nov 14, 2009, 04:55 PM
I have the TomTom car dock and use it with Navigon app. The combo works perfectly aka just like with TomTom app so you get the advantages of the dock GPS chip, speaker, mic etc.
I think that would be contrary to what TomTom is saying. How do you know that the Navigon app is using the GPS in the TomTom car dock? If it wasn't the Navigon app would still function as normal using the GPS in the iPhone. Thus, how do you know which GPS chip it is using?

t0mat0
Nov 14, 2009, 05:09 PM
I think that would be contrary to what TomTom is saying. How do you know that the Navigon app is using the GPS in the TomTom car dock? If it wasn't the Navigon app would still function as normal using the GPS in the iPhone. Thus, how do you know which GPS chip it is using?

Does airplane mode kill the internal GPS? THat'd work to test presumably.

fpnc
Nov 14, 2009, 05:32 PM
Does airplane mode kill the internal GPS? THat'd work to test presumably.
Well, there are rumors that the GPS in the TomTom communicates over Bluetooth, so airplane mode would also turn off Bluetooth. In any case, I just tried Motion X GPS and it appears that my iPhone 3GS's GPS is turned OFF when you go into airplane mode. The compass, however, continues to work.

woodysjh
Nov 15, 2009, 09:23 PM
I think that would be contrary to what TomTom is saying. How do you know that the Navigon app is using the GPS in the TomTom car dock? If it wasn't the Navigon app would still function as normal using the GPS in the iPhone. Thus, how do you know which GPS chip it is using?

I have the the Tom Tom App and car dock, you can tell because the navigation is way more accurate than without the car dock.

fpnc
Nov 16, 2009, 12:07 AM
I think that would be contrary to what TomTom is saying. How do you know that the Navigon app is using the GPS in the TomTom car dock? If it wasn't the Navigon app would still function as normal using the GPS in the iPhone. Thus, how do you know which GPS chip it is using?
I have the the Tom Tom App and car dock, you can tell because the navigation is way more accurate than without the car dock.
Someone said that it also worked with the Navigon app which is what needs some form of definite confirmation. Furthermore, unless you were using a window mount with your iPhone before you got the TomTom car kit it could be that any perceived improvements might be caused by the better location for the GPS. Point of fact, I noticed a pretty significant improvement when I moved my iPhone to a window mount whereas before my iPhone was located further down on my car's dashboard.

Nuvi
Nov 16, 2009, 01:01 AM
Guys, its a fact that any application can use the car docks GPS chip. You can verify this with the free TomTom car dock app. Also even the TomTom manual says you can use the kit with other apps. I'm 100% sure any iPhone app can use the car dock GPS, in matter of fact they don't have an option of not using it if the phone is connected to the dock.

When you use the dock you actually turn off the iPhone internal GPS chip and the coordinates are fed from car dock chip. The external GPS coordinates are delivered the same way for the apps as the internal GPS so apps don't need to recognize the dock.

Nuvi
Nov 16, 2009, 01:06 AM
If you don't believe you can use TomTom car dock with any app then check out YouTube (search TomTom car kit and Navigon). You can also check out iTunes app store and the free TomTom car kit app.

It even works with original iPhone (silver back) and Navigon app. The original iPhone didn't have GPS...

tknelson
Nov 16, 2009, 07:06 AM
Guys, its a fact that any application can use the car docks GPS chip. You can verify this with the free TomTom car dock app. Also even the TomTom manual says you can use the kit with other apps. I'm 100% sure any iPhone app can use the car dock GPS, in matter of fact they don't have an option of not using it if the phone is connected to the dock.

When you use the dock you actually turn off the iPhone internal GPS chip and the coordinates are fed from car dock chip. The external GPS coordinates are delivered the same way for the apps as the internal GPS so apps don't need to recognize the dock.

100% eh? I hope you don't like Vegas. Can you share with us the source of your detailed engineering knowledge of how the SirfStarIII signal is fed through Bluetooth to the iPhone in such a way as to override the GPS signal arriving on the internal bus?

I think you are going to turn out to be wrong about this. Any application can != every application does. I'm guessing Navigon will need to come out with an update to support the external Bluetooth GPS signal.

tknelson
Nov 16, 2009, 07:09 AM
If you don't believe you can use TomTom car dock with any app then check out YouTube (search TomTom car kit and Navigon). You can also check out iTunes app store and the free TomTom car kit app.

It even works with original iPhone (silver back) and Navigon app. The original iPhone didn't have GPS...

Yes... but it still could locate you via wifi triangulation to within 20 meters or so.

Nuvi
Nov 16, 2009, 08:28 AM
I'm repeating my self but even TomTom's user guide says you don't need the TomTom navigation software to use the car kit. Even more so you obviously didn't see the video with iPhone (silver back) with nav kit vs. iPhone 3G both running Navigon. The original iPhone was more accurate then 3G. I'm not sure if you understand the fact that Navigon doesn't allow you to do any navigation without GPS satellite lock. Therefore, the GPS signal is delivered by the car kit on original iPhone since it doesn't have built in chip. Hence, I win you loose... ;)

JonB3Z
Nov 16, 2009, 08:56 AM
100% eh? I hope you don't like Vegas. Can you share with us the source of your detailed engineering knowledge of how the SirfStarIII signal is fed through Bluetooth to the iPhone in such a way as to override the GPS signal arriving on the internal bus?

I think you are going to turn out to be wrong about this. Any application can != every application does. I'm guessing Navigon will need to come out with an update to support the external Bluetooth GPS signal.

It's not necessarily a matter of the "internal bus." The real news here is that the iPhone is apparently supporting a Bluetooth GPS connection (http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/tomtom-car-kit-for-iphone-review/), something heretofore available only on jailbroken iPhones, AFAIK.

If the iPhone is really supporting Bluetooth GPS, it's no stretch to imagine that it does it transparently, so that any app using Core Location would get position data based on the connected GPS rather than the internal one. TomTom's presence at the WWDC suggests that Apple may have provided the hooks to allow the TomTom unit to supply location for Core Location.

tstreete
Nov 16, 2009, 02:42 PM
100% eh? I hope you don't like Vegas. Can you share with us the source of your detailed engineering knowledge of how the SirfStarIII signal is fed through Bluetooth to the iPhone in such a way as to override the GPS signal arriving on the internal bus?

I think you are going to turn out to be wrong about this. Any application can != every application does. I'm guessing Navigon will need to come out with an update to support the external Bluetooth GPS signal.
He's right. I have a TomTom car kit; if you run, say, Motion X GPS-LTE and set it to the status screen, you get at best a 75 foot accuracy, even when outdoors under the open sky, and a 30-50 foot accuracy when the iphone is plugged into the car kit.

The car kit's gps does not communicate over bluetooth; that's just the audio. The kit's gps communicates over the dock connector.

Nuvi
Nov 16, 2009, 05:02 PM
He's right. I have a TomTom car kit; if you run, say, Motion X GPS-LTE and set it to the status screen, you get at best a 75 foot accuracy, even when outdoors under the open sky, and a 30-50 foot accuracy when the iphone is plugged into the car kit.

The car kit's gps does not communicate over bluetooth; that's just the audio. The kit's gps communicates over the dock connector.

Its true that car kit is using dock connector for GPS chip communication. Anyone can easily verify this by turning off the BT and connecting to car kit and after that verifying the data with TomTom car kit app. However, BT connection wasn't the real issue here. TKNELSON claimed that only TomTom navigation app can use the info delivered by car kits GPS chip which isn't true. As JonB3Z suggested it is likely that Apple has supplied TomTom (and now it seems Magellan) hooks to Core Location services and therefore the GPS data from external chip is handled by OS which allows any Core Location aware app to use the data.

hawkeye23
Nov 17, 2009, 10:29 AM
Does anyone know when the update was submitted to Apple? I assume it has.

j.donald
Nov 30, 2009, 03:29 AM
turn-by-turn GPS navigation application for the iPhone with several highly-anticipated features, including text-to-speech !!

totally cool thing ! but what about the pricing, is it going to be a value for money.