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Gelfin
Nov 14, 2009, 03:13 PM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/13/BABH1AK7O4.DTL&tsp=1

A white supremacist group built a phony innocuous web site and submitted an ad for it to the student newspaper at San Francisco's Lowell High School. Then when the ad was accepted, they replaced the contents of the site with a racist website offering white nationalist music downloads, t-shirts and for a "campaign to inform, awaken and radicalize our White American youth." The email bombastically claiming responsibility, sent to newspapers, is eerily reminiscent of similar statements made by terrorist organizations following bombings.

I keep hoping we've reached the peak of the recent uptick in ultra-right-wing nastiness, and I keep being disappointed. I suspect this is going to get a lot worse.

Zombie Acorn
Nov 14, 2009, 03:15 PM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/13/BABH1AK7O4.DTL&tsp=1

A white supremacist group built a phony innocuous web site and submitted an ad for it to the student newspaper at San Francisco's Lowell High School. Then when the ad was accepted, they replaced the contents of the site with a racist website offering white nationalist music downloads, t-shirts and for a "campaign to inform, awaken and radicalize our White American youth." The email bombastically claiming responsibility, sent to newspapers, is eerily reminiscent of similar statements made by terrorist organizations following bombings.

I keep hoping we've reached the peak of the recent uptick in ultra-right-wing nastiness, and I keep being disappointed. I suspect this is going to get a lot worse.

Shows the weakness of printed media. A website could quickly get rid of the ad before much damage was done. I haven't personally seen an up rise in white supremacy, more anti-government than anything else.

Gelfin
Nov 14, 2009, 03:16 PM
Shows the weakness of printed media. A website could quickly get rid of the ad before much damage was done. I haven't personally seen an up rise in white supremacy, more anti-government than anything else.

You haven't? They've been showing up at all the same parties.

Zombie Acorn
Nov 14, 2009, 03:18 PM
You haven't? They've been showing up at all the same parties.

Ive seen a few signs that were in bad taste from media reports, its not like the first time this type of thing has happened though.

Then again I haven't been close enough to one of these parties to fairly judge them. If there was a racist sentiment I surely wouldn't be staying for long.

Blue Velvet
Nov 14, 2009, 03:24 PM
An anonymous e-mail containing several misspellings and grammatical errors reportedly from the Web site's authors...


The supposed master race doesn't have time to spell-check.

Full of Win
Nov 14, 2009, 04:38 PM
The people that run the site are likely very happy, as they have just got a tub full of free advertising.

bobber205
Nov 14, 2009, 05:27 PM
The people that run the site are likely very happy, as they have just got a tub full of free advertising.

Oh snap. You sure showed us. How about commenting if their views are wrong or not?

mkrishnan
Nov 14, 2009, 05:32 PM
The supposed master race doesn't have time to spell-check.

Those are the pure, White, Christian, Aryan spellings of the words. ;)

thegoldenmackid
Nov 14, 2009, 05:32 PM
Nothing New (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/09/09/massachusetts.harvard.holocaust/)

mkrishnan
Nov 14, 2009, 05:36 PM
Nothing New (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/09/09/massachusetts.harvard.holocaust/)

Which basically points to an increasing need for due diligence in cases of ads referring websites -- which is true really for everyone who deals with advertising (and accepts private requests) in the internet age....

Blue Velvet
Nov 14, 2009, 05:37 PM
Those are the pure, White, Christian, Aryan spellings of the words. ;)


Dictionary.app has some 'xplaining to do, then.

Meanwhile, the tea-partiers are also attracting the dregs:

Information about the rallies appears on the websites of former Klan boss David Duke and the racist National Policy Institute in Augusta, Ga. Posters on Stormfront, the leading white supremacist website, are also urging members to attend. “This is great news!” wrote “ronatvan” on Tuesday. “All Stormfronters should join these huge Tea Parties! Prepare yourselves with big banners to spread our message.”

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/11/13/‘tea-parties-against-amnesty’-planned-in-50-cities-tomorrow/

gilkisson
Nov 14, 2009, 05:41 PM
Used the web, did they? I'm surprised. Most of those of that ilk still regard fire as a dangerous innovation, and reading as a tool of "da debbil".

Talking to a Klukker is rather like talking to a steaming #2 loaf, you're not surprised when the turdbiscuit doesn't say anything intelligent. The #2 loaf just sits there as well.

takao
Nov 14, 2009, 05:45 PM
The supposed master race doesn't have time to spell-check.

their cause sure hasn't been that attractive to the brightest lot since quite a few years ... which we can grateful for

IntheNet
Nov 14, 2009, 05:46 PM
...A white supremacist group... recent uptick in ultra-right-wing nastiness...

Let us know how you equate "white supremacy" with "right wing" in your post...

gilkisson
Nov 14, 2009, 05:52 PM
Let us know how you equate "white supremacy" with "right wing" in your post...

Perhaps because it is how they self-identify?

From the article, an email sent to the editor from the perpetrators of this scam:

"San Francisco was selected because it has long suffered the ravages of liberal insanity, vile degeneracy and criminal vicitmization of it's citzens by the very 'diverse' populations it seeks to embrace," according to an e-mail sent separately to The Chronicle.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/13/BABH1AK7O4.DTL&tsp=1#ixzz0WsfvfNSP

Who else uses the term "liberal" as an epithet?

IntheNet
Nov 14, 2009, 06:01 PM
Perhaps because it is how they self-identify?

I've been a Republican all my life. I have been also been a state Republican delegate. I have been to conservative meetings and conferences and a campaign volunteer. Have also been to conservative and "right-wing" community action meetings. Never once have I ever heard anyone within my party say they "self-identify" with anyone in the "white supremacist" movement. Not once.

Still open question for Gelfin:
Let us know how you equate "white supremacy" with "right wing" in your post?

LethalWolfe
Nov 14, 2009, 06:09 PM
Used the web, did they? I'm surprised.
If you think white supremacists using the internet to communicate, broadcast their message, and recruit new members is new you haven't been paying attention. They've been on the net since the mid-90's.


Lethal

gilkisson
Nov 14, 2009, 06:10 PM
I've been a Republican all my life. I have been also been a state Republican delegate. I have been to conservative meetings and conferences and a campaign volunteer. Have also been to conservative and "right-wing" community action meetings. Never once have I ever heard anyone within my party say they "self-identify" with anyone in the "white supremacist" movement. Not once.


You are being disingenuous. The topic was "ultra-right-wing", not "Republican". Not all right-wingers are Nazis, just as not all on the left are Communists. Right?

But I too really look forward to Gelfin's response.

gilkisson
Nov 14, 2009, 06:13 PM
If you think white supremacists using the internet to communicate, broadcast their message, and recruit new members is new you haven't been paying attention. They've been on the net since the mid-90's.


Lethal

You are correct. I have not been paying them much attention at all. Although I do recall that David Duke could tie his shoes unassisted, and work a light switch two out of three times.

For the most part, racism and general ignorance march in lockstep. It does not take a vast savvy mind to create a web site, and even less to read the tripe posited there.

takao
Nov 14, 2009, 06:13 PM
I've been a Republican all my life. I have been also been a state Republican delegate. I have been to conservative meetings and conferences and a campaign volunteer. Have also been to conservative and "right-wing" community action meetings. Never once have I ever heard anyone within my party say they "self-identify" with anyone in the "white supremacist" movement. Not once.

just because you are reversing the roles doesn't make it right... it's not the "right wing considering themselves members of the white supremacist" it's the "white supremacists considering themselves right wing" direction

you are, as we call it in german "making the horse the coachman"

also the fact that Solidarity, one of the core principles of the left wing, on principle opposes "supremacy" thoughts should give you the direction in which the scale tips

gilkisson
Nov 14, 2009, 06:18 PM
you are, as we call it in german "making the horse the coachman"


Corresponding English phrase would be, "putting the cart before the horse".

And you are correct. Das ist richtig.

IntheNet
Nov 14, 2009, 07:52 PM
just because you are reversing the roles doesn't make it right... it's not the "right wing considering themselves members of the white supremacist" it's the "white supremacists considering themselves right wing" direction

Here in this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=819972) (within this forum), in posts #2 and #7, a real "racist" group is cited, not typically associated with what is alleged the "right wing" yet racist just the same.

you are, as we call it in german "making the horse the coachman"

I take exception to linking up "white supremacist" groups with "right wing" groups, being done, presumably, to tar the conservatives or republicans within right wing politics. You are aware, I assume, that the Senior Democrat from West Virginia is hardly associated with right wing groups but was in fact a former supremacist?

also the fact that Solidarity, one of the core principles of the left wing, on principle opposes "supremacy" thoughts should give you the direction in which the scale tips

Oh? Where were your "Solidarity" principles voiced from the Democrats after pro-Democrat "supremacy" groups showed up with billy clubs in Philadelphia last year to deny undesirable Republican voter access to polls?

macfan881
Nov 14, 2009, 08:06 PM
The people that run the site are likely very happy, as they have just got a tub full of free advertising.

Oh snap. You sure showed us. How about commenting if their views are wrong or not?

hmmm I'm guessing he's ok with this since he hasn't come back to reply yet

Full of Faill i sence.

abijnk
Nov 14, 2009, 08:59 PM
I've been a Republican all my life. I have been also been a state Republican delegate. I have been to conservative meetings and conferences and a campaign volunteer. Have also been to conservative and "right-wing" community action meetings. Never once have I ever heard anyone within my party say they "self-identify" with anyone in the "white supremacist" movement. Not once.

Still open question for Gelfin:
Let us know how you equate "white supremacy" with "right wing" in your post?

First, I don't think you understand what it means to self identify. You don't self identify with someone, as you put it. The phrase "self identify" means to identify ones self as something. For example, I self-identify as a liberal. Another way of saying this would be to say that I am a liberal.

Second, as others have pointed out, Gelfin didn't say the "right wing" self-identifies as "white supremacists," he said exactly the opposite. White supremacists do, and always have, held conservative views and therefore are right wing. Gelfin used the phrase "ultra-right wing" to point out the fact the not all of those on the right are white supremacists, but that there are a lot of crazies over there on the fringe.

takao
Nov 14, 2009, 09:22 PM
Here in this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=819972) (within this forum), in posts #2 and #7, a real "racist" group is cited, not typically associated with what is alleged the "right wing" yet racist just the same.

"racist" ... perhaps
"black supremacy" ... up for debate .. especially with them getting enough criticism from other left black organisations because of their ideas



Oh? Where were your "Solidarity" principles voiced from the Democrats after pro-Democrat "supremacy" groups showed up with billy clubs in Philadelphia last year to deny undesirable Republican voter access to polls?

groups ? clubs ? there was 1 incident with 3 guys of which _1_ had a stick which according to the internet were escorted/sent away by the police

compared to what happend 70-80 years ago around here that's not really worth mentioning nor does it in any way make it even with the amount of far right wing racism and white supremacy blurps .... just look at the list of parties considered "Far right" right today in europe

eawmp1
Nov 14, 2009, 10:09 PM
Idiots, but with computer skills now. At least the paper got DUPED. What was Missouri thinking?

http://www.citizenarcane.com/files/2005_Jan_14/kkk_adopt_a_highway_2.jpg

gilkisson
Nov 14, 2009, 10:25 PM
Idiots, but with computer skills now. At least the paper got DUPED. What was Missouri thinking?

http://www.citizenarcane.com/files/2005_Jan_14/kkk_adopt_a_highway_2.jpg

I dunno... that's not such a bad idea. I'd love to see them out there on the side of road, in their spiffy uniforms, working for the good of the community...

http://1pumplane.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/dui-chain-gang.jpg

Gelfin
Nov 15, 2009, 11:13 AM
Let us know how you equate "white supremacy" with "right wing" in your post...

Sorry, I had other things to do with most of my Saturday. White supremacism simply is a radical ultra-right-wing movement, in the same way that revolutionary communism is an ultra-left-wing movement. It has ever been thus.

The goals of white supremacists are right-wing goals, taken to an extreme: top-down nationalist authoritarianism with a heavy dose of militarism for its own sake, use of "tradition" to justify discrimination, appealing to a mythical golden past where everything was "as it should be," and outright invention of an external threat to galvanize the "good" people under a single point of control.

I've been a Republican all my life. I have been also been a state Republican delegate. I have been to conservative meetings and conferences and a campaign volunteer. Have also been to conservative and "right-wing" community action meetings. Never once have I ever heard anyone within my party say they "self-identify" with anyone in the "white supremacist" movement. Not once.

Let's talk simple set logic for a moment. To observe that all white supremacists are right-wingers says nothing about right-wingers generally. Would you be so bent out of shape if I observed that all white supremacists are humans (well, mammals, probably)? You're getting all indignant at your own conversion error.

I do have a concern about the mainstream right's part in all this, but I wanted to avoid too much editorialization in the first post. My concern is that the overheated rhetoric politicians and media personalities have lately taken to encouraging in the name of short-term political and ratings gains is being taken at face value by the radicals who, frankly, don't have enough functioning brain cells to process hyperbole. Thus I fear the mainstream right is building a monster they won't be able to control.

I am reminded of McCain, unenviably finding himself having to actually defend his opponent from a lunatic who took seriously the insane things she'd heard on the Internet about how the big scary black man was coming to get her, and was genuinely terrified. I still don't think McCain was the right man for the job, but he gets a measure of my respect for manning up and doing the right thing in that instance even though it hurt his campaign.

The question that should worry us all is how we have let ourselves get to the point that distancing oneself from the views expressed by an obviously crazy person can even conceivably damage a candidate's campaign. Bringing the rhetoric back down to Earth does not mean caving in to the Democrats. There are sensible right-wingers out there, including many in this forum, and I keep begging them to do something to take their party back. The desperate flailing for political traction is honestly turning America a little scary, and we are rapidly coming to a point where no person of good faith, left or right, can have the luxury of saying, "but that's got nothing to do with me."

mkrishnan
Nov 15, 2009, 01:14 PM
Let's talk simple set logic for a moment.

Really? On a scale from 1 to finding WMDs in Iraq, how likely do you think this is to ensue in this thread at this point?

yg17
Nov 15, 2009, 01:21 PM
Idiots, but with computer skills now. At least the paper got DUPED. What was Missouri thinking?

http://www.citizenarcane.com/files/2005_Jan_14/kkk_adopt_a_highway_2.jpg

I live in St. louis, where that stretch of highway is and know the background on that. Missouri fought like hell to prevent the KKK from adopting that highway, however, the klan sued and a U.S. district court ruled that Missouri preventing them from adopting the highway was discrimination, so they had to let them adopt it. However, the MO legislature then decided to rename that stretch of highway to the Rosa Parks Freeway. After that happened, the klan quickly stopped taking care of their duties as adopters of a highway (cleaning up litter, etc) and were dropped from the program because they did not do their duties.

.Andy
Nov 15, 2009, 01:25 PM
I live in St. louis, where that stretch of highway is and know the background on that. Missouri fought like hell to prevent the KKK from adopting that highway, however, the klan sued and a U.S. district court ruled that Missouri preventing them from adopting the highway was discrimination, so they had to let them adopt it. However, the MO legislature then decided to rename that stretch of highway to the Rosa Parks Freeway. After that happened, the klan quickly stopped taking care of their duties as adopters of a highway (cleaning up litter, etc) and were dropped from the program because they did not do their duties.
That's a great story :).

leekohler
Nov 15, 2009, 01:44 PM
Oh snap. You sure showed us. How about commenting if their views are wrong or not?

The silence is deafening, isn't it?

mkrishnan
Nov 15, 2009, 01:48 PM
That's a great story :).

OMG that is awesome. Gotta love that Detroiter Rosa Parks. Anyone who stays mad-as-hell long enough to sue Outkast in her later years deserves mad propz. :D

Cromulent
Nov 15, 2009, 01:52 PM
I take exception to linking up "white supremacist" groups with "right wing" groups, being done, presumably, to tar the conservatives or republicans within right wing politics. You are aware, I assume, that the Senior Democrat from West Virginia is hardly associated with right wing groups but was in fact a former supremacist?

Oh come on.

White supremacists have always had a nationalist agenda.

leekohler
Nov 15, 2009, 01:54 PM
Oh come on.

White supremacists have always had a nationalist agenda.

You were expecting logical thought?

bobber205
Nov 15, 2009, 02:18 PM
The silence is deafening, isn't it?

It is.

At least he has the conscience not to come in here and just lie.
Or maybe he knows we would call him out on it or something. :rolleyes:

Ttownbeast
Nov 15, 2009, 08:30 PM
I'm still waiting for that race war everybody from the Black Panthers Crips and the Bloods to the Klan and the Aryan Brotherhood and Skin Heads has been hollering about coming for decades, probably won't happen they're all too busy fighting over their meth and crack addictions to bother with a war or to be taken seriously.

Counterfit
Nov 16, 2009, 11:36 PM
The Crips and Bloods have been talking about a race war?

Cromulent
Nov 17, 2009, 05:01 AM
The Crips and Bloods have been talking about a race war?

Errr, the whats and the whats? Which races do they represent? The hispanics and blacks or what? I'm not down with the American racial lingo I'm afraid.

*confused*