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johnbro23
Jul 29, 2004, 07:05 PM
Apple makes Apple computers. I've never heard of a "Microsoft" Computer, only HP, Dell, etc. Is this true? Does Microsoft only supply the OS?

MisterMe
Jul 29, 2004, 07:17 PM
Apple makes Apple computers. I've never heard of a "Microsoft" Computer, only HP, Dell, etc. Is this true? Does Microsoft only supply the OS?You make it very hard not to poke fun at you, but I will restrain myself. No, Microsoft does not make computers, except for the Xbox game console. Even the Xbox is actually made by a contractor and sold under the Microsoft label.

johnbro23
Jul 29, 2004, 07:20 PM
Yea, I thought it was kind of a stupid question, but I was just curious? Why wouldn't Microsoft try to sell computers? I mean they have the money, why not design the ultimate computer or something?

Dr. Dastardly
Jul 29, 2004, 07:42 PM
Yea, I thought it was kind of a stupid question, but I was just curious? Why wouldn't Microsoft try to sell computers? I mean they have the money, why not design the ultimate computer or something?
Its not a stupid question. ALOT of people think Microsoft builds computers just because they are so huge and everyone knows windows on there PC. Microsoft is a software company but they make some hardware. Xbox, mice, routers just to name a few. They never went into the computer market, because... well... I guess they didn't need to.

MacFan26
Jul 29, 2004, 07:46 PM
Yeah, Microsoft doesn't need to make computers, since nearly every company that does make computer will be using their operating system. Apple is one of the few that make their own hardware and OS. If they had licensed their operating system, they might not be making hardware either.

johnbro23
Jul 29, 2004, 08:05 PM
Hmm, interesting. I don't understand why they wouldnt. So does that mean there are manufacturers out there that put build Macs? Or no, since they don't lisense their OSs?

Nspace
Jul 29, 2004, 08:35 PM
Your need an apple to run their OS. Anyone who enjoys using apples os, and likes all of its features will in turn have to buy an apple computer if they want to use it, so it does make sense about why they wouldn't license it.

yellow
Jul 29, 2004, 08:51 PM
Apple is first and foremost a hardware company. That is the main source of their cash flow. In the late 90s they flirted with licensing their OS and a few Mac clone companies sprang up. Apple revenues started drying up so they scrapped the whole thing and the clone companies went bye bye.

MacFan26
Jul 29, 2004, 08:52 PM
There used to be a company called Power Computing that built Apple clones, but they were axed a long time ago. Even though Microsoft doesn't make computers, they do make accessories such as mice and keyboard, etc.

Duff-Man
Jul 29, 2004, 08:54 PM
Hmm, interesting. I don't understand why they wouldnt. So does that mean there are manufacturers out there that put build Macs? Or no, since they don't lisense their OSs?Duff-Man says...Apple did license the OS to others for a while in the mid-90's and "Apple Clones" were sold by Motorola, Power Computing and a few others. But as Apple makes most of its money on hardware all the cloning did was cannibalize Apple's sales and increase Apple's losses. Steve Jobs killed the clone deals (or more accurately, did not renew them or bought them back) - a smart move at the time...that's the short story.....oh yeah!

jeremy.king
Jul 29, 2004, 08:57 PM
Microsoft does not make computers

But they do make pretty nice mice :eek:

sgtlmj
Jul 29, 2004, 09:11 PM
Pinky! Are you pondering what I'm pondering?

I think so Brain, but if Bill Gates made computers, wouldn't he then have to change the name to MicroHard?

Narf!

KingSleaze
Jul 29, 2004, 10:33 PM
Just think, if M$ made the computer, would they still license their own OS to other companies or create a whole new OS for their hardware and license Winbloze to everybody else- only to stop development on it after they got a significant market share on their own machine. Can you say monopoly?
This is probably the reason why they haven't yet made their own computer. If they did, it would increase the perception of M$ monopoly in the computer market.

MisterMe
Jul 29, 2004, 11:01 PM
Hmm, interesting. I don't understand why they wouldnt. So does that mean there are manufacturers out there that put build Macs? Or no, since they don't lisense their OSs?There is a very good reason why Microsoft doesn't make computers. Developing hardware is expensive. Branded computers are even more so. Of Wintel manufacturers, only Dell (and possibly HP-Compaq) earn a profit. The market for Wintel boxes is one that was lost by IBM, a much better financed company than Microsoft. Even though Dell is the most successful vendor, no one dominates the market in Wintel hardware. Microsoft could not dominate the market if it entered it. In the company's present financial status, it really needs to dominate a market for it to be worth its while.

Nermal
Jul 29, 2004, 11:18 PM
Pinky! Are you pondering what I'm pondering?

I think so Brain, but if Bill Gates made computers, wouldn't he then have to change the name to MicroHard?

Narf!

Very good :D

TreeHugger
Jul 29, 2004, 11:19 PM
But they do make pretty nice mice :eek:

Yes, but you can't put em in a cage. Well you can but....

Frankly, I am quite glad that MS does not make any computers... If they would make computers like their OS.... Oh boy...

applemacdude
Jul 29, 2004, 11:26 PM
But they do make pretty nice mice :eek:

They dont make em, they rebrand them

Horrortaxi
Jul 30, 2004, 01:35 AM
Microsoft doesn't make computers, but they do have the OEM's by the balls and pretty much force them to install Windows on their computers. Microsoft has gone so far as to suggest that it should be illegal to sell a PC without Windows. Remember that the next time they talk about a "competing" product being bad for the consumer because it takes away choice.

I swear I don't make this stuff up.

hulugu
Jul 30, 2004, 01:59 AM
Just think, if M$ made the computer, would they still license their own OS to other companies or create a whole new OS for their hardware and license Winbloze to everybody else- only to stop development on it after they got a significant market share on their own machine. Can you say monopoly?
This is probably the reason why they haven't yet made their own computer. If they did, it would increase the perception of M$ monopoly in the computer market.

But now the cost of business would include manufacturing, R&D, industrial design, etc. which is very expensive. Making an OS that is included with every new PC—with rare exceptions—under OEM deals is like printing money.
Secondly, they would put themselves in even greater risk of the US DOJ reopening the anti-trust case. They been hurt in Europe too.

So, it would be high costs and few rewards for MS to make their own machines. Their mice, the Xbox, etc. are subcontracted out and have the MS sticker added, like Mazda's Tribute (it's really a Ford Escape); I think their router is a Linksys, but I'm not sure.

Finiksa
Jul 30, 2004, 02:50 AM
But they do make pretty nice mice :eek:
Not all of them my Optical Blue doesn't sit flat and the plastic shell squeaks. It's put me off getting another MS mouse again.

stevehaslip
Jul 30, 2004, 02:55 AM
They dont make em, they rebrand them
what mice/components were they before? are the exactly the same as some other mie out there? just with a different looking exterior?

hulugu
Jul 30, 2004, 02:07 PM
Not all of them my Optical Blue doesn't sit flat and the plastic shell squeaks. It's put me off getting another MS mouse again.

I've never liked MS mice, the last one I had quit working after a few months.
Logitech has some goods ones. As does Macally.


And why give Microsoft any more money than you must.

musicpyrite
Jul 30, 2004, 02:33 PM
Microsoft doesn't make computers, but they do have the OEM's by the balls and pretty much force them to install Windows on their computers. Microsoft has gone so far as to suggest that it should be illegal to sell a PC without Windows. Remember that the next time they talk about a "competing" product being bad for the consumer because it takes away choice.

I swear I don't make this stuff up.

Wow, I didn't know about that... But what about people who build their own computers?

It's interesting, I went to Best Buys a few days ago and saw a lady that was asking a guy to re-install XP on her computer. I then heard that they were going to charge her 59$ to do that!!! I had half a mind to go up to the lady and say "I'll install XP for free if you promise to never come into this store again."

Seriously, XP (next to OS X) is the easiest OS to install..... If you want something difficult to install, try something like Gentoo....