Apple Already Working on Mac OS X 10.7 Development?

[MacRumors]

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Less than three months after the launch (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/28/mac-os-x-snow-leopard-officially-launched-today/) of Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, evidence has surfaced that Apple is already working on the next version of OS X, presumably to designated Mac OS X 10.7. The information comes from an entry (http://launchd.macosforge.org/trac/changeset/23956) posted earlier today in a database of changes to the open source "launchd" framework, which oversees booting of Mac OS X and administers processes running on the system. In particular, today's entry cites an error message containing the text string "11A47", a reference to the Mac OS X build number being used.< rdar://problem/7386864> 11A47: SecurityAgent no longer visible via AccessibilityApple's build numbering scheme utilizes a numerical prefix indicating the major release version, followed by a letter code indicating the minor release version and a numerical suffix indicating iterations of that version throughout its development. For example, the initial shipping version of Mac OS X Snow Leopard was termed Build 10A432 (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/25/os-x-snow-leopard-retail-disc-contains-build-10a432/) while the 10.6.1 update (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/10/apple-releases-mac-os-x-10-6-1/) carried a designation of Build 10B504 and the 10.6.2 update (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/11/09/apple-releases-mac-os-x-10-6-2/) released last week was termed Build 10C540. Meanwhile, Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) carried a build number of 9A571 (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/10/12/mac-os-x-leopard-10-5-gm-candidate-build/) when it first launched.

Based on this numbering scheme, the "11A47" entry cited in the launchd change database would refer to the initial version of Mac OS X 10.7, with the "47" suffix indicating that while still early in the development process, but likely means Apple has been working on builds of the next major operating system revision for at least the last month or two.

Of course, news that Apple appears to be working on Mac OS X 10.7 is certainly not surprising given the long development time required to refine and polish Apple's major operating system releases. While 10.6 incorporated many "under the hood" changes, however, some have speculated (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/01/detailed-technical-look-at-mac-os-x-10-6-snow-leopard/) that we may see more radical end-user changes in 10.7.

Article Link: Apple Already Working on Mac OS X 10.7 Development? (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/11/17/apple-already-working-on-mac-os-x-10-7-development/)

[jaw04005]

I say preview of 10.7 Lynx/Cougar at WWDC ’10 with a ship date of Spring ’11. :D

And please don’t name it “Clouded Leopard."

[Big-TDI-Guy]

Reason # 594 for me to skip SL and just wait for the next kitty...

[palmerc2]

nice!
sounds good

10.7 should be in the pipeline innn......2 years :rolleyes:

[HONDAxACURA]

Oh WOW! Already?! Well good for them. More time to make it perfect! Let's hope it will be $29 again! :D

[ImperialForces]

Obviously they are working on another one. They're probably six months into it by now.

[r.j.s]

Reason # 594 for me to skip SL and just wait for the next kitty...

And by the time you get ready for 10.7, 10.8 will be in development. :rolleyes:

[thegoldenmackid]

I thought they just took a vacation.

[brad.c]

Wouldn't 10.7 be the features expected for 10.6, but not included? Already started!

[r.j.s]

Wouldn't 10.7 be the features expected for 10.6, but not included? Already started!

There were features for 10.6 not included? Like what?

[nonocei]

Awesome. It would be nice to see some "radical end user changes."
I'm happy with 10.6.2.

[adamw]

Apple would be accused of "sitting on their hands" if they weren't working on OS X 10.7.

It is also good to know they are investing $$$$ in innovation for future products and operating systems... to better our user experience

[calvin2006]

Anyone else feel like OS X is nearing the end of its life? In 2000, when Jobs introduced OS X, he called it the roadmap for the next decade. With the abandonment of PowerPC and now Snow Leopard officially ending any upgrade path for PPC, it seems reasonable to think that the next OS version will be something more radical, perhaps even the blueprint for the next decade. Could this deserve a new version number like XI, or is X here to stay, like the "Windows" moniker? At any rate, I think 10.7/11.0 will be a major overhaul of the UI and OS, while 10.6 was a way to pacify power pc users so they didn't get too excited about being left out of the next OS.

[magi.sys]

There were features for 10.6 not included? Like what?

A new filesystem for starters.

[jaw04005]

There were features for 10.6 not included? Like what?

They were never slated for 10.6, but we do know they’re working on a UI called “Marble,” system-wide Multi-touch and resolution independence among other features.

Anyone else feel like OS X is nearing the end of its life? In 2000, when Jobs introduced OS X, he called it the roadmap for the next decade.

He revised his quote a few years back. I want to say he moved it to 15 or 20 years.

[ChazUK]

Did anyone really think that Apple were not developing their next update already? I'd have thought it was a given that things had already started myself.

[brad.c]

There were features for 10.6 not included? Like what?

I type this post up, and my brain goes blank on what the missing features were.. I ask myself: should I look this up before I post? Yes, I say. And then click Submit anyway. :o

ZFS I remember, but I'm sure there was more shown during the initial preview back in WWDC.

[RazHyena]

Can't wait for Rain Leopard. :D

[Stuart in Oz]

It's obviously heading for major UI changes, which are always fun.

Even more fun is the 2 years of rumors we have ahead of us. :)

[sombrer0]

...Apple's build numbering scheme utilizes a numerical prefix indicating the major release version...



So could we assume build "11A..." will mean OS XI 11.1...???

[r.j.s]

A new filesystem for starters.

ZFS I remember, but I'm sure there was more shown during the initial preview back in WWDC.

I thought Apple dropped ZFS development.

They were never slated for 10.6, but we do know they’re working on a UI called “Marble,” system-wide Multi-touch and resolution independence among other features.

All of those would be good.

[zombitronic]

It's obvious that they're working on the next OS, but it still feels good to have some hard evidence. Now the speculation can continue on some firmer ground. I still like Mac OS X v10.7 "Ocelot".

[PaperMacWriter]

All right! I expect(hope) we'll be seeing a new UI, full resolution independence, BD support, QTX w/all the features we lost from QT Pro, and an all new, overhauled finder. It really needs it... And obviously a bunch of other small, simple things, and any other currently non thought of innovation that there might be. And the better name it Lion... I dont know if they can get away with Clouded Leopard....

SG :apple:

[r.j.s]

So could we assume build "11A..." will mean OS XI 11.1...???

Ummm no. Read the first post. Leopard (10.5.0) was 9A, Snow Leopard (10.6.0) is 10A ...

[na1577]

They were never slated for 10.6, but we do know they’re working on a UI called “Marble,”

No, people assumed that there was such a thing because a rumor came out about it. But there was a rumor about a radical new UI style in Leopard, which also didn't materialize.

[flopticalcube]

Reason # 594 for me to skip SL and just wait for the next kitty...
Only 594? I'm sure I have over 600 by now. ;) Bring on 10.7, 10.6 did nothing for me.

[brad.c]

I thought Apple dropped ZFS development.

That was potentially for licensing, but not that huge a loss for most users.

They were never slated for 10.6, but we do know they’re working on a UI called “Marble,” system-wide Multi-touch and resolution independence among other features.

Maybe that was it. I could have been grouping in some disappointment in the camera-less Touches as well. It all seems so long ago.

[winmacguy]

I thought Apple dropped ZFS development.



All of those would be good.

Apple had to drop ZFS due to licensing issues when Oracle bought Sun but Apple has since taken on a File systems developer so it looks like they are going to create something internally. They had a job posting for the position recently.

[Eidorian]

So what was Snow Leopard about then? :p

[flopticalcube]

So what was Snow Leopard about then? :p
To have something to show when Windows 7 came out.

[holbie]

Enquiring minds want to know…

Is Safari snappier?

[zombitronic]

So could we assume build "11A..." will mean OS XI 11.1...???

No, just X. There's nothing in the build number to indicate XI.

Example:

10.0.0 = 4K78
10.1.0 = 5G64
10.2.0 = 6C115
10.3.0 = 7B85
10.4.0 = 8A428
10.5.0 = 9A581
10.6.0 = 10A432
10.7.x = 11A47

[bdkennedy1]

Well, one might think that they took a few months off to sit around and do nothing at all, but my bet is that they have been working on 10.7 since 2007.

They are going to have to come up with some pretty spectacular stuff if they are going to stay ahead of Windows 7.

[designgeek]

Yipee! I wonder what they'll call it. This should give t0mat0 something to do in the mean time...

I'm tired of aqua so I'm hoping for major GUI changes.

[Cerebrus' Maw]

For the love of God, don't call it cougar...

Scenario:Middle ages woman walks into Apple store and purchases 10.7

Assistant: So, Cougar, eh?
Woman: *SMACK*

[bengst]

Or.. maybe iTabletOS? :o

[r.j.s]

I'm tired of aqua so I'm hoping for major GUI changes.

Hell yes. I like the look of iTunes 9, maybe they will finally drop the aqua blue and unify the OS.

[r.j.s]

Or.. maybe iTabletOS? :o

Why doesn't it make sense?

[ChazUK]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.5; en-gb; HTC Hero Build/CUPCAKE) AppleWebKit/528.5+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Mobile Safari/525.20.1)

Enquiring minds want to know…

Is Safari snappier?

It feels snappier. lol

[RazHyena]

To have something to show when Windows 7 came out.

Well that explains a lot. :o

[jaw04005]

No, people assumed that there was such a thing because a rumor came out about it. But there was a rumor about a radical new UI style in Leopard, which also didn't materialize.

Uhh, “Illuminous” shipped. It’s what we’re using now. It just wasn’t the complete overhaul the rumor mill thought it was.

[Toe]

I am pretty sure Apple always has two OS development teams. One works on the current one, the other works on the next one. They stick with their OS from development through final release.

For example, while the 10.5 team was making new builds of Leopard, the 10.6 team was working on development of Snow Leopard. When 10.5 wrapped up, that team started work on 10.7. Meanwhile the 10.6 team keeps working on refinements to 10.6 until its last release, at which point they start on 10.8.

[r.j.s]

Uhh, “Illuminous” shipped. It’s what we’re using now. It just wasn’t the complete overhaul the rumor mill thought it was.

It still needs a complete overhaul.

[ShiftyPig]

I am pretty sure Apple always has two OS development teams. One works on the current one, the other works on the next one. They stick with their OS from development through final release.

For example, while the 10.5 team was making new builds of Leopard, the 10.6 team was working on development of Snow Leopard. When 10.5 wrapped up, that team started work on 10.7. Meanwhile the 10.6 team keeps working on refinements to 10.6 until its last release, at which point they start on 10.8.

I hope - anything to keep the 10.6 mongs away from 10.7.

[Full of Win]

...and so it begins

Debate topics to look forward to
1. Marble interface or Aqua
2. iTunes going Cocoa?
3. Filesystem
4. Touch enabled
5. Resolution independence
6. Serial number/activation coming?
7. What will it be called
8. When will it ship and how many delays?
9. Will it run iPhone apps natively?
10. Minium specifications?
11. Can pressing the green button finally make the screen fully maximize.
12. How much will it cost?
13. Can someone give me the phone number of the chick on the icon of PhotoBooth.app, the glasses so hot.

[Eidorian]

To have something to show when Windows 7 came out.I'll just wait until 10.7 is out to buy a new Mac then.

10.6 was a yawnfest, bugs aside.

[DMann]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.5; en-gb; HTC Hero Build/CUPCAKE) AppleWebKit/528.5+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Mobile Safari/525.20.1)
It feels snappier. lol

Actually, Safari does, indeed, feel snappier.

[r.j.s]

I'll just wait until 10.7 is out to buy a new Mac then.

10.6 was a yawnfest, bugs aside.

We all knew it would be, though. No one promised anything really extravagant.

[jaw04005]

Well, one might think that they took a few months off to sit around and do nothing at all, but my bet is that they have been working on 10.7 since 2007.

Agree. Not to mention, 10.6 was all about cleaning up 10.5 and under anyway. So, it’s not like Apple’s feature teams have been twiddling their thumbs for the last two years.

So what was Snow Leopard about then? :p

That and dumping legacy code.

I wouldn’t be surprised if OS X takes on a more iPhone-like interface (dark, lots of grays, blacks and pale blues). I think the clear menu bar and mirror 3D dock will be gone too.

Maybe instead of a new GUI, will get a ZUI:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooming_User_Interface

[wonderbread57]

Already working on 10.7 wow, you mean the developers don't take a vacation until 1 month before the next release date? M.S. is "already" working on win 8 and Android devs are already working on the next android. Duh!?

[outphase]

I am an Ubuntu user as well as OSX, so it's good to see that there's aiming toward the new version. Ubuntu is on a 6 month version cycle, so the next version begins almost as soon as the current one gets released.

[Toe]

10.6 was a yawnfest, bugs aside.

Basic rule of every version of Mac OS X: it ain't very stable until 10.x.3 and it gets really good sometime after 10.x.5.

And yeah, it is not supposed to be a wow-fest. Apple not only says so on their website, but enforces that by charging a mere $30.

[cmaier]

It never fails. A couple months after each release the Apple sites get all suprised that the next OS is already in development. They'd probably be shocked to know it was in development long before SL shipped.

[MrCheeto]

*yawn* wake me up when OS11 rolls around. I was promised the matter-transporter function...

[thegoldenmackid]

*yawn* wake me up when OS11 rolls around. I was promised the matter-transporter function...

Is this like how you were promised a new computer?

[MrCheeto]

M.S. is "already" working

Since when is that even a physical possibility!?!?

[DMann]

...and so it begins

Debate topics to look forward to
1. Marble interface or Aqua Marblequa
2. iTunes going Cocoa? finally
3. Filesystem New ZFS like filesystem, more user friendly
4. Touch enabled most likely
5. Resolution independence yes
6. Serial number/activation coming? Please, say it isn't so
7. What will it be called Cougar, Lynx, or Lion
8. When will it ship and how many delays? 2 years, approx. No delays
9. Will it run iPhone apps natively? no
10. Minium specifications? CoreDuo, 2GB RAM
11. Can pressing the green button finally make the screen fully maximize. no
12. How much will it cost? $129
13. Can someone give me the phone number of the chick on the icon of PhotoBooth.app, the glasses so hot. true that
Responses in bold.

[carlivar]

Out of curiosity, how much longer will 10.x be around?

In other words, eventually Apple is going to release 11.0, right?

It would be odd if they get all the way up to something like 10.10.

[MrCheeto]

Is this like how you were promised a new computer?

No it turns out those click-ads are a scam. They take your money but they don't stop there. They bill your card with embarassing items and "subscriptions" :x I'll never let my wife get the mail again.

[DMann]

Since when is that even a physical possibility!?!?:D

[billystlyes]

Already working on 10.7 wow, you mean the developers don't take a vacation until 1 month before the next release date? M.S. is "already" working on win 8 and Android devs are already working on the next android. Duh!?
I thought the same thing. Some of these articles are getting lamer and lamer...

[MartiNZ]

Can't wait for Rain Leopard. :D

Sun Leopard IMO.

But really, my money is on Lynx for 10.7 and Cougar for 10.8. I think Cougar has to be on the even number, just doesn't gel otherwise.

Either way, hopefully 10.7 will fix the stacks sorting bug and improve dashboard including the 6 year old iTunes widget bugs ... sorry couldn't resist.


And I'm 99.9% sure it won't.

[Minimoose 360]

...and so it begins

Debate topics to look forward to
1. Marble interface or Aqua Change between three different ones.
2. iTunes going Cocoa? Yes.
3. Filesystem Probably.
4. Touch enabled Maybe.
5. Resolution independence Probably not.
6. Serial number/activation coming? Hope not.
7. What will it be called OSX House Cat
8. When will it ship and how many delays? Q2 2011
9. Will it run iPhone apps natively? Nope.
10. Minium specifications? Core Duo, 2GB RAM.
11. Can pressing the green button finally make the screen fully maximize. Would be nice.
12. How much will it cost? Millions of dollars. But for users, $99.
13. Can someone give me the phone number of the chick on the icon of PhotoBooth.app, the glasses so hot. Wat?

Semi-serious answers are semi-serious.

[mikes70mustang]

Reason # 594 for me to skip SL and just wait for the next kitty...

Yes because the upgrade was so exorbitantly expensive:rolleyes:

[RafaelXiong]

Basic rule of every version of Mac OS X: it ain't very stable until 10.x.3 and it gets really good sometime after 10.x.5.

And yeah, it is not supposed to be a wow-fest. Apple not only says so on their website, but enforces that by charging a mere $30.

I thought 10.x.2 was stable enough...

[NT1440]

Responses in bold.

ZFS is done.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/24/zfs-open-source-project-abruptly-shuts-down-snow-leopard-weeps/2

[dreadkid08]

This doesn't surprise me. I also wouldn't be surprised if it was released earlier than expected. Snow Leopard after all was just a "better Leopard" so I'd expect 10.7 to be the real McCoy. Plus Windows 7 is pretty good, as far as how it operates it is ALMOST as good as OS X so Apple needs something to really pull ahead and leave Windows in the dust. When Microsoft takes 2 steps forward Apple needs to take 4.

[DMann]

ZFS is done.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/24/zfs-open-source-project-abruptly-shuts-down-snow-leopard-weeps/2

I knew that - I said, "ZFS like filesystem," one with similar pooling, snap-shot, and self correcting capabilities, made simpler, and designed in-house.

[sascha h-k]

trim supported .. :rolleyes:

[mabaker]

It seems to be that ppl don't want to give any chance to SL.

Wait till 10.6.5 and then complain.

Anyone remembers Tiger 10.4.3? I do. It wasn't funny at all either. Now Tiger is THE gold rock solid standard which uses only about 112 MB of RAM when booted. Delicious. :D

[redlimit835]

Ha this would make it Leopard 7. See thats funny because the windows thingy. never mind.

[Jayomat]

unbelieveable!

[DMann]

Ha this would make it Leopard 7. See thats funny because the windows thingy. never mind.

Actually, it makes W7 more like Mac OS 7 - gotta love the way they cling to the past with those legacy relics: The Registry, DLLs, BIOS, DRM, etc...

[Velorium]

Maybe instead of a new GUI, will get a ZUI:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooming_User_Interface

That would be interesting, bridge the gap between Expose and Spaces. Dunno if it would be all that useful though.

[ImperialX]

I say preview of 10.7 Lynx/Cougar at WWDC ’10 with a ship date of Spring ’11. :D

And please don’t name it “Clouded Leopard."

I'm going with Lynx. Sounds great.

And it won't be another Leopard. I'm sure of it.

[MrCheeto]

Actually, it makes W7 more like Mac OS 7 - gotta love the way they cling to the past with those legacy relics: The Registry, DLLs, BIOS, DRM, etc...

Not to mention those icons from the 90's. Granted the 90's were a stellar time, the fact that they neglect to clean up after sooo long just goes to show, they just DON'T CARE!

[Eidorian]

We all knew it would be, though. No one promised anything really extravagant.I do want my $29 back to be honest.

Basic rule of every version of Mac OS X: it ain't very stable until 10.x.3 and it gets really good sometime after 10.x.5.

And yeah, it is not supposed to be a wow-fest. Apple not only says so on their website, but enforces that by charging a mere $30.10.6.2 is stable to use but the changes they've made to Finder are very aggravating.

I'm completely boggled about the Spotlight issue I'm having as well.

[Eric5h5]

Out of curiosity, how much longer will 10.x be around?

A long time.

In other words, eventually Apple is going to release 11.0, right?

Probably not. OS X is a well-known brand, no need or reason to change it. It would be like Microsoft dumping the "Windows" name in favor of "Doors" just because.

It would be odd if they get all the way up to something like 10.10.

Why? It's just another version number.

--Eric

[MagnusVonMagnum]

The information comes from an entry posted earlier today in a database of changes to the open source "launchd" framework, which oversees booting of Mac OS X

Changes to the boot process? Hmmmmm. It seems kind of obvious to me why they would want to change how a Mac boots in the future so as to keep anyone from hacking reasonable priced hardware to run OSX. Don't be surprised if your brand new Macbook won't work with 10.7 in favor of getting rid of the Hackintoshes. They killed my PowerMac with 10.6 for no other reason than to force more hardware sales sooner, so it certainly wouldn't surprise me at this point. Dont' worry, though. I mean you'll have had your new Mac for 2 years by then and that's more than enough use to justify the prices Apple charges. It's time to upgrade! Besides, Snow Leopard will still be usable on your Mac just like OS9 still works on some older Macs! I'm sure software developers won't immediately abandon making updates for that version of the operating system. They'll at least continue for a few months, anyway. It'll be nothing to get upset about. :rolleyes:

[jav6454]

I do want my $29 back to be honest.

10.6.2 is stable to use but the changes they've made to Finder are very aggravating.

I'm completely boggled about the Spotlight issue I'm having as well.

Safari for me has been a crash fest nightmare. In Leopard, complete stabilization (even Safari 4 Beta was much more stable).

I have benefited from the lean OS and overall refinements, but my Safari experience has been ruined since day one (hell even Flash plug-ins crash or freeze Safari).

[Speedy2]

OMG!! :eek: When will it be released? Next week? WWDC? At the annual Duck Hunter's Show in Clarksville, TN?

Seriously, what did people expect? That Apple would send all their software engineers on a big long holiday after the release of Snow Leopard?

[ToM7]

apple just dont wanna west time ha?.. :apple::p

thats scary dude !!!
where the hell they run for? :confused:

[ensjesse]

Well, whatever they do with OSX, be sure that like everything else it will eventually fester an App store with some type of horrible DRM.

[jb510]

Lion... followed by Mountain Lion... or maybe Cougar... Personally I'm for Ocelot though... lol...

Anyone that didn't realize 10.7 was in development LONG before 10.6 was even in the wild is foolish. I'm sure 10.8 is already in development.

I do however wonder if they'll actually keep going that way or just jump to 11 soon... I hope we go to 10.11 because you always want to go one more then the other blokes...

Nigel Tufnel: The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and...
Marty DiBergi: Oh, I see. And most amps go up to ten?
Nigel Tufnel: Exactly.
Marty DiBergi: Does that mean it's louder? Is it any louder?
Nigel Tufnel: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?
Marty DiBergi: I don't know.
Nigel Tufnel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Marty DiBergi: Put it up to eleven.

[Arcadie]

Please make the next version be called OS X LIGER!

[slb]

While 10.6 incorporated many "under the hood" changes, however, some have speculated that we may see more radical end-user changes in 10.7.

And so it begins again. Leopard was supposed to have Illuminous, Snow Leopard was supposed to have Marble...and 10.7 will have some new rumor that turns out to be false.

[Eidorian]

Safari for me has been a crash fest nightmare. In Leopard, complete stabilization (even Safari 4 Beta was much more stable).

I have benefited from the lean OS and overall refinements, but my Safari experience has been ruined since day one (hell even Flash plug-ins crash or freeze Safari).Yeah Apple is going to have to pry Leopard from my cold dead hands.

And so it begins again. Leopard was supposed to have Illuminous, Snow Leopard was supposed to have Marble...and 10.7 will have some new rumor that turns out to be false.With a half assed preview of it in iLife of course. :D

[CIA]

Actually given that SL was refinement to 10.5, I don't think we will see much for SL beyond 10.6.5.... After .3 and .4 most of the remaining bugs will be ironed out... Beyond security patches and tacking on stuff that is developed between now and 10.7. 10.7 will be a real show.


Cocoa OpenCL killer Final Cut Studio 4 please

[Arcadie]

Probably not. OS X is a well-known brand, no need or reason to change it. It would be like Microsoft dumping the "Windows" name in favor of "Doors" just because.

--Eric

If they came out with Microsoft Doors, I would buy it in a heatbeat, just because they had the balls to call it that.

They could call it "Microsoft Doors, Because your ass got to fat for the window"

[Peace]

I'm surprised MR didn't catch the REAL news out of the launchd rdar problems.

Along with 11A47 was this :

<rdar://problem/7399539> X2: Dock does not register apps that quit: error -600
;)

[r.j.s]

I'm surprised MR didn't catch the REAL news out of the launchd rdar problems.

Along with 11A47 was this :

<rdar://problem/7399539> X2: Dock does not register apps that quit: error -600
;)

WTF is X2?

[Peace]

WTF is X2?

Tablet OS ?



More likely an internal build of a different OS..Maybe embedded.

[Captain Magic]

Since you've always got to innovate and :apple: always needs to be light years ahead of M$ it's reasonable to expect major innovations that are actually useful (like spaces, bootcamp, time machine... you get the idea).

Am I the only one with the feeling it's all been about refinements this year at :apple: ?

iPhone 3GS, iPod nano with video camera, iPod shuffle with not so practical voice functions, slightly better MacBook Pro, slightly better white MacBook, slightly better Leopard... despite size differences slightly better iMac.
Slightly better keyboard.:o

What happened to those times that Apple jumped from the iMac G3 to the amazing looking G4?

When they could easily claim they had the fastest personal computer?

[jav6454]

Yeah Apple is going to have to pry Leopard from my cold dead hands.

With a half assed preview of it in iLife of course. :D

1. I'll still use Snow Leo knowing that by 10.6.5 things will be ironed out (hopefully)

2. The half assed previews are all over iLife, iWork, iTunes and QuickTime.

[kironin]

I say preview of 10.7 Lynx/Cougar at WWDC ’10 with a ship date of Spring ’11. :D

And please don’t name it “Clouded Leopard."


why not? Clouded Leopards are cool! :D

"Few people have seen a clouded leopard, either in its wild habitat in Southeast Asia or in a zoo. Officially recorded as a species in 1821, the clouded leopard remains just as mysterious today as it was nearly 200 years ago. Most of what we know about these cats comes from observing them in zoos. Named for its cloud-like spots, recent genetic studies have shown that clouded leopards are a separate species of cat and not just a “type” of leopard. Cloudeds are most closely related to snow leopards and are now in the same taxonomic subfamily as tigers, lions, jaguars, and true leopard species. "
http://www.sandiegozoo.org/animalbytes/t-clouded_leopard.html

[scotteh]

Please make the next version be called OS X LIGER!

damint! i was gonna say that

[ipedro]

Safari for me has been a crash fest nightmare. In Leopard, complete stabilization (even Safari 4 Beta was much more stable).

I have benefited from the lean OS and overall refinements, but my Safari experience has been ruined since day one (hell even Flash plug-ins crash or freeze Safari).

I have the same issue. Safari 4 Beta on Leopard hummed along smoothly and stayed that way the entire time I had it.
On Snow Leopard, I get beach balls, freezes, crashes, slow downs, graphical aberrations... it plain old just sucks.

[Eric5h5]

If they came out with Microsoft Doors, I would buy it in a heatbeat, just because they had the balls to call it that.

They could call it "Microsoft Doors, Because your ass got to fat for the window"

I had to LOL at that. :D

--Eric

[mcarling]

Don't be surprised if your brand new Macbook won't work with 10.7 in favor of getting rid of the Hackintoshes.
The most logical move would be for 10.7 to run only on Macs with 64-bit Intel processors i.e. Core 2 Duo and later. Expect support for Core Duo and Core Solo Macs to be dropped with 10.7. This would allow Apple to ship skinny 64-bit binaries of all the user apps rather than fat binaries containing both 32-bit and 64-bit executables. The result for the user would be that 10.7 would take less disk space than 10.6.

Also expect 10.7 to include both 32-bit and 64-bit kernels but, unlike 10.6 (with the exception of Xserve), to boot 64-bit kernels by default on all machines with 64-bit EFI.

The logical move for 10.8 would be to drop support for Macs with 32-bit EFI. That would permit Apple to drop the 32-bit kernels and complete the gradual transition to 64-bit MacOS X.

They killed my PowerMac with 10.6 for no other reason than to force more hardware sales sooner, so it certainly wouldn't surprise me at this point.
The other (probably more important) reasons for dropping PPC support from 10.6 were:
- fat binaries for all the user applications contain two rather than four executables, resulting in 10.6 taking less disk space than 10.5.
- no need to compile and test PPC versions. This speeds up the build times, allowing more time for development during the development cycle and it allows Apple to reassign QA engineers from PPC to Intel.

[DMann]

If they came out with Microsoft Doors, I would buy it in a heatbeat, just because they had the balls to call it that.

Rumor has it, they actually are considering a change of brand name, as 'Windows' has been tarnished so heavily, for so long.

They could call it "Microsoft Doors, Because your ass got to fat for the window"

Good one!

Or perhaps, Portal - hence the mandatory security measures 24/7.

[Rot'nApple]

...and it gets really good sometime after 10.x.5.

That's when I buy! :D

[JFreak]

I hope we go to 10.11 because you always want to go one more then the other blokes...

Nigel Tufnel: The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and...
Marty DiBergi: Oh, I see. And most amps go up to ten?
Nigel Tufnel: Exactly.
Marty DiBergi: Does that mean it's louder? Is it any louder?
Nigel Tufnel: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?
Marty DiBergi: I don't know.
Nigel Tufnel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Marty DiBergi: Put it up to eleven.

"most amps" :D how about this one:
Digidesign Eleven (http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=48&langid=100&itemid=39631&INTCMP=DD-BN-11R11)

and yes, I also do want to see OSX eleven (and twelve, and so on...)

forget the "ten" already, it is "OS X". To repeat myself, "ex", not "ten". Roman numeral "X" indeed does mean "10", but in Apple's case the "X" means "successor to classic Macintosh OS that ended with 9". Successor being very much alive in its 6th incarnation (not counting dot-zero "Cheetah" which was very much extension to public beta "Kodiak" and the two were not yet end-user ready).

OSX v1 = 10.1 = "Puma"
OSX v2 = 10.2 = "Jaguar"
OSX v3 = 10.3 = "Panther"
OSX v4 = 10.4 = "Tiger"
OSX v5 = 10.5 = "Leopard"
OSX v6 = 10.6 = "Snow Leopard"

I wonder if they're going to call the next version "OSX 7" to slap MS in the face :D oh, well -- perhaps not.

[DMann]

When Microsoft takes 2 steps forward Apple needs to take 4.
This has been the usual progression since 1999, although MS took a pretty long nap between 2001-07, the Zune notwithstanding.

The half assed previews are all over iLife, iWork, iTunes and QuickTime.

I rather like the evolving UI - I'd be willing to go as far as to say that it has matured to the level of 3/4 assed.

[Eric S.]

What a silly article. Does anyone think the OS team goes home for a year or so after a major release?

[gunraidan]

I really hope that this goes the route Tiger/Leopard took, even more so if anything.

OS X needs to regain it's superiority over Windows.

[r.j.s]

What a silly article. Does anyone think the OS team goes home for a year or so after a major release?

Isn't that what release parties signify? :confused:

[Peace]

I really hope that this goes the route Tiger/Leopard took, even more so if anything.

OS X needs to regain it's superiority over Windows.

Thats why I think it will be called simply OS 10.7.

10.7 "sounds" better and more refined than 7.

[inkswamp]

I'm hoping Apple finally gives networking the treatment in 10.7. It's the last real weak-spot on the Mac.

Other than that, I really have no complaints about Snow Leopard. It's solid, everything works, everything is quick and intuitive. And yes, I know some of you are already formulating arguments over those statements and we could split hairs over some of this, but overall, I just don't see anything really wrong with the Mac right now.

Except networking.

And wow, when Apple gets something wrong, they really get it wrong.

I work in a mixed Windows and Mac environment, and Windows, for all its flaws, still kicks the Mac's ass up and down the street when it comes to networking. Apple's made improvements with the last few versions of OS X, but it's just not there yet.

The most glaring problem is keeping a Mac connected to network shares. I love scripting automated tasks at my workplace on a Mac as opposed to Windows because I can work wonders on a Unix command line that just won't happen on a Windows box. Plus I've got SSH and all its tools at my fingertips. I've got perl. I've got PHP and Apache right out of the box. It's beautiful.

But it all collapses because there's just no predictability with network shares. And if I can't stay connected to the source of data I need to work with, all those wonderful tools are worthless.

Mac users are fond of mocking the drive mapping mechanism on Windows as an anachronism, but here's the thing: that approach is a life saver. If a mapped drive on Windows disconnects, that mapping stays there, persistent, and reconnects automatically if a program or user accesses it. It's transparent to the user and, ironically, very Mac-like.

But on the Mac? If your network share disconnects... well, sorry. It's just gone. Or worse, OS X leaves a folder with the share name in /Volumes (a leftover from the Unix drive mounting process) which greatly complicates reconnecting even if you write it into your scripts with the mount command.

I've tried a million things to stay connected on a Mac. Applescripts sometimes fail for various reasons. Shell scripts fail for various reasons. Even aliasing a share, a trick that some users claim is a cure-all, fails (for whatever reason, OS X occasionally forgets what these share aliases are.)

Apple has a feature called automount hidden in the bowels of the OS that I've discovered is almost the fix to this problem. I've used it now for several months and network shares stay connected for days on end. But, there's no UI for it so you have to really geek out to get this to work... and even then, while it's a massive improvement over other techniques, it's still far from perfect and still no competition for the Windows approach.

I just hope someone at Apple recognizes that for the massive Achilles' heel it is and fixes it in 10.7. There has to be a better way than what OS X does now.

[r.j.s]

Thats why I think it will be called simply OS 10.7.

10.7 "sounds" better and more refined than 7.

Mac OS X 10.7 - Codename "10.7, because it's better than just 7." :p

[DMann]

...forget the "ten" already, it is "OS X". To repeat myself, "ex", not "ten". Roman numeral "X" indeed does mean "10", but in Apple's case the "X" means "successor to classic Macintosh OS that ended with 9". Successor being very much alive in its 6th incarnation (not counting dot-zero "Cheetah" which was very much extension to public beta "Kodiak" and the two were not yet end-user ready).
There also happens to be that ever so, slightly symbolic, referential reverence to NeXt, as well.

Mac OS X 10.7 - Codename "10.7, because it's better than just 7." :p
By a factor of 10!

[Peace]

Mac OS X 10.7 - Codename "10.7, because it's better than just 7." :p

Hey don't knock it. The protoplasm out there really think Windows "7" is a lot different than "Vista" when in fact it's still Vista.

"7" just sounded better. So if "7" sounded better wouldn't 10.7 sound better than "7" ? :D

Remember before OSX there was OS "9"

[r.j.s]

Hey don't knock it. The protoplasm out there really think Windows "7" is a lot different than "Vista" when in fact it's still Vista.

"7" just sounded better. So if "7" sounded better wouldn't 10.7 sound better than "7" ? :D

Remember before OSX there was OS "9"

I'm not knocking it, just trying to help come up with the slogan.

[Peace]

I'm not knocking it, just trying to help come up with the slogan.

ahh!!

carry on!! :p

[gibbz]

OSX v1 = 10.1 = "Puma"
OSX v2 = 10.2 = "Jaguar"
OSX v3 = 10.3 = "Panther"
OSX v4 = 10.4 = "Tiger"
OSX v5 = 10.5 = "Leopard"
OSX v6 = 10.6 = "Snow Leopard"

I wonder if they're going to call the next version "OSX 7" to slap MS in the face :D oh, well -- perhaps not.

Don't forget about OS X 10.0 "Cheetah" :)

[sam10685]

Reason # 594 for me to skip SL and just wait for the next kitty...

Right there with ya man...

[djellison]

In other shock news, Porsche working on new 911, Microsoft working on Win 8, USAF working on new fighter jets.

How is this even news? OF COURSE they're working on 10.7 - they'll have been on it for months and months.

[HONDAxACURA]

Cougar or Mountain Lion next?

Or could it be Simba from the Lion King?! lol

[Truffy]

...I would be surprised if they hadn't been working on the successor to SL since before it was released! :rolleyes:

[inkswamp]

Safari for me has been a crash fest nightmare. In Leopard, complete stabilization (even Safari 4 Beta was much more stable).

I have benefited from the lean OS and overall refinements, but my Safari experience has been ruined since day one (hell even Flash plug-ins crash or freeze Safari).

It's amazing to me the range of experiences users have with new operating systems.

I installed SL the week it came out and have had a surprisingly pleasant experience so far. The only bug I've experienced was the one fixed in the last update where the login screen comes up at random. And that only happened a couple times and it's minor (it doesn't even log you out, just brings up the login screen as if you'd logged out.)

On the other hand, Leopard 10.5.0 - 10.5.2 was a nightmare experience for me and others seemed to have no problems. I had a handful of kernel panics, broken Active Directory plug-in, weird networking glitches, etc. Haven't encountered anything like that with SL.

[kroeks]

Mac OSX Lion? sounds cheesy
Mac OSX Pu$$y! :D

[Truffy]

Don't forget about OS X 10.0 "Cheetah" :)
Except Cheetah was a dog rather than a cat! :p

And inkswamp, I hear you. While I wouldn't say that networking was the only thing that still needs to be addressed, I agree that it's the major one. And not just on shared environments. Hopefully my imminent upgrade to SL Server will sort some things out, but experience tells me not to be too hopeful.

[Bennieboy©]

super bombastic kitty fantastico!!!!

woot cant wait haha

[gnasher729]

I am pretty sure Apple always has two OS development teams. One works on the current one, the other works on the next one. They stick with their OS from development through final release.

For example, while the 10.5 team was making new builds of Leopard, the 10.6 team was working on development of Snow Leopard. When 10.5 wrapped up, that team started work on 10.7. Meanwhile the 10.6 team keeps working on refinements to 10.6 until its last release, at which point they start on 10.8.

Not quite so. Right now, everyone is working on 10.7 except people will spend some time on fixing problems in 10.6 that need fixing and will go into 10.6.3. Quite a while before 10.7 is finished, people will start working on lists of features and planning for 10.8. Then as 10.7 nears completion, some people will have finished their bit earlier than others; they can then either help out in other areas or start work on 10.8 already. Everyone who is late finishing their part of 10.7 will get as much help as needed to not delay 10.7. Once its out and everyone has recovered from the shipping party _everyone_ will be working on 10.8.

But nobody will start on actual coding a year early. It would be an absolute nightmare having to merge all the work done in the last year of the previous OS with the new work done by another team. It would be very inefficient and you would never get any stability. The only time when you can work ahead is when you write some completely separate application.

[knightlie]

I'll just wait until 10.7 is out to buy a new Mac then.

10.6 was a yawnfest, bugs aside.

10.6 was a maintenance release, exactly as advertised. Sorry you had problems, mine worked flawlessly from day one.

[onicon]

forget the "ten" already, it is "OS X". To repeat myself, "ex", not "ten". Roman numeral "X" indeed does mean "10", but in Apple's case the "X" means "successor to classic Macintosh OS that ended with 9".
Why would Steve and Apple call it Mac OS "ten" every time they speak of it, then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko4V3G4NqII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO420B02Q84 (5:00)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYhq1YB4wB0

[Parky]

Yeah Apple is going to have to pry Leopard from my cold dead hands.

We can hope!

[creator2456]

I just want Stacks to work like they did in the Leopard developer preview (tried finding a video, but can't). They seem pointless how they are implemented now.

[Parky]

I have the same issue. Safari 4 Beta on Leopard hummed along smoothly and stayed that way the entire time I had it.
On Snow Leopard, I get beach balls, freezes, crashes, slow downs, graphical aberrations... it plain old just sucks.

Strange, I have had not one single problem with Safari in Snow Leopard on any of my 3 machines.

[Parky]

Changes to the boot process? Hmmmmm. It seems kind of obvious to me why they would want to change how a Mac boots in the future so as to keep anyone from hacking reasonable priced hardware to run OSX. Don't be surprised if your brand new Macbook won't work with 10.7 in favor of getting rid of the Hackintoshes. They killed my PowerMac with 10.6 for no other reason than to force more hardware sales sooner, so it certainly wouldn't surprise me at this point. Dont' worry, though. I mean you'll have had your new Mac for 2 years by then and that's more than enough use to justify the prices Apple charges. It's time to upgrade! Besides, Snow Leopard will still be usable on your Mac just like OS9 still works on some older Macs! I'm sure software developers won't immediately abandon making updates for that version of the operating system. They'll at least continue for a few months, anyway. It'll be nothing to get upset about. :rolleyes:

Really? Does your PowerMac not work anymore under 10.5? Did not installing Snow Leopard somehow disable / break your computer. Can it not do all the things it did before? What is the issue here? How are you forced to buy new hardware? If SL gives no new features then you have no real need to upgrade, you can use Leopard. Your 'expensive' Mac will still continue to deliver the excellent experience to you that is has done so far. It is not diminished in anyway!

Leopard will be supported for YEARS, so shut up moaning.

[Jelite]

Cue lots of moaning and going back to 10.6.8.

[ajbrehm]

Ummm no. Read the first post. Leopard (10.5.0) was 9A, Snow Leopard (10.6.0) is 10A ...

Apparently the build IDs are based on Darwin/NEXTSTEP version numbers.

The 10.0 to 10.6 stuff is just noise. The real version numbers are 10.0 (Snow Leopard), 9.0 (Leopard) etc..

[ajbrehm]

Why would Steve and Apple call it Mac OS "ten" every time they speak of it, then?

Because, as he said, the "X" stands for "10" as in "successor of [Mac OS] 9".

It's the name "Mac OS X", pronounced "mac os ten". The "X" is not a version number.

[MorphingDragon]

Honestly, they better damn well include OpenCL/GCD within the System Components. Fedora is way ahead, Fedora 11/12 can offload the booting process to the GPU for gods sakes.

[adztaylor]

Cue lots of moaning and going back to 10.6.8.

Don't you just know it heh ;)

[BongoBanger]

Nice. It'll be interesting to see if they can regain the lead in consumer operating system functionality.

[Peace]

Apparently the build IDs are based on Darwin/NEXTSTEP version numbers.

The 10.0 to 10.6 stuff is just noise. The real version numbers are 10.0 (Snow Leopard), 9.0 (Leopard) etc..

The kernel is currently 10.2.When SL was released the kernel was 10.0

11A47 is the new OS based on the Darwin kernel 11.0

[trule]

Apple is working on the next version of OSX ... slow news day? Guess it keeps the add traffic up :rolleyes:

[greg400]

Because, as he said, the "X" stands for "10" as in "successor of [Mac OS] 9".

It's the name "Mac OS X", pronounced "mac os ten". The "X" is not a version number.

Speaking of the OS9 transition to OSX is anyone really anxious to see what Apple is going to have in store after OSX is over? With new OS releases approximately every two years from Apple i'm assuming it's going to be in the time frame of 2015 (that's if the world doesn't end in 2012:D). I'm probably thinking way too far ahead right now but I really can't imagine what kind of leap Apple will make from OSX to OS11 (or whatever they may call it).

[r.j.s]

Speaking of the OS9 transition to OSX is anyone really anxious to see what Apple is going to have in store after OSX is over? With new OS releases approximately every two years from Apple i'm assuming it's going to be in the time frame of 2015 (that's if the world doesn't end in 2012:D). I'm probably thinking way too far ahead right now but I really can't imagine what kind of leap Apple will make from OSX to OS11 (or whatever they may call it).

It's too far out to speculate. Hell, we don't even know what kind of features 10.7 or 10.8 will hold.

[greg400]

It's too far out to speculate. Hell, we don't even know what kind of features 10.7 or 10.8 will hold.

Yeah, I know. Just a thought.

As for 10.7 and 10.8 i'm going to take a guess that Apple will make 10.7 what Leopard was then make 10.8 what Snow Leopard was and skip out 10.9 altogether. Although they may want to keep the roman numeral 10 for as long as possible.

[MorphingDragon]

It's too far out to speculate. Hell, we don't even know what kind of features 10.7 or 10.8 will hold.

I dont see them dropping Cocoa TBH.

[scottness]

Only 594? I'm sure I have over 600 by now. ;) Bring on 10.7, 10.6 did nothing for me.

10.6 sped up my machine noticeably... I'm not complaining for $30.

[NicP]

There were features for 10.6 not included? Like what?

Resolution independence

[bigwig]

The other (probably more important) reasons for dropping PPC support from 10.6 were:
- fat binaries for all the user applications contain two rather than four executables, resulting in 10.6 taking less disk space than 10.5.
Important? Disk space hasn't been a significant constraint in years, and is getting less so all the time.

[r.j.s]

Resolution independence

Was never promised for any version. Only speculated.

[bigwig]

I'm probably thinking way too far ahead right now but I really can't imagine what kind of leap Apple will make from OSX to OS11 (or whatever they may call it).
Drop the microkernel. It's a performance nightmare.

[WeegieMac]

It better not be called Lynx.

The jokes here in the UK would be awful given that Lynx is synonomous with the cheap deodorant bought by teenagers.

[iZac]

come on Vector based UI!

Would make control-zooming much slicker.

[WeegieMac]

forget the "ten" already, it is "OS X". To repeat myself, "ex", not "ten". Roman numeral "X" indeed does mean "10", but in Apple's case the "X" means "successor to classic Macintosh OS that ended with 9". Successor being very much alive in its 6th incarnation (not counting dot-zero "Cheetah" which was very much extension to public beta "Kodiak" and the two were not yet end-user ready).

No, it's pronounced OS "Ten" because the X is a Roman numeral of ten.

Steve, Phil, Tim, Bernard, none of them call it OS "Ex", it is OS "TEN".

[!¡ V ¡!]

We already see traces of the "Marble" UI present in OS X.6. Take a look at the dock and its "HUD" contextual menu system, this look will be spreading into the entire OS as QT and other various :apple: apps already sport this "pro" look plus the shiny.

Pro = Matte and subdued

Prosumer/Consumer = Glossy

Take a look at all they hardware with a polished black :apple: and glass screen and then take a look at the pro hardware with has a matte option on it.

If I am lucky they might offer an option for Matte or Glossy look for Marble. :)

[!¡ V ¡!]

No, it's pronounced OS "Ten" because the X is a Roman numeral of ten.

Steve, Phil, Tim, Bernard, none of them call it OS "Ex", it is OS "TEN".

Say, "OS Ex" or "OS X" fast enough and it sounds like "Over Sexed" :eek:;):p:D

:apple: is trying to tell us something, "Sexy Hardware and Software" :D

[arkitect]

forget the "ten" already, it is "OS X". To repeat myself, "ex", not "ten".
You can repeat yourself until, well, you're blue in the face. But it is OS Ten. Never has been OS "Eks". ;)
Even the all mighty Jobs says OS Ten and he is known for some pretty, shall we say, idiosyncratic pronunciation… remember Jaguar? Jahgwaaaire? WTF?

What a silly article. Does anyone think the OS team goes home for a year or so after a major release?
I agree.
How is this possibly "news"?
:confused:

[!¡ V ¡!]

Nice. It'll be interesting to see if they can regain the lead in consumer operating system functionality.

Maybe some pressure from Win7.

Cannot believe I am saying this but I have no problems using Win7. Maybe its just a change that I am preferring.

[!¡ V ¡!]

I agree.
How is this possibly "news"?
:confused:

Not sure if this is news or not, however according to my understanding there are two teams that work on Mac OS X.

Team One was working on OS 10.1 while Team Two was working on OS 10.2, then when OS 10.1 was released, Team One works on OS 10.3 and so on and so forth. This is why you will notice that with some OS 10.x release it offers speed and others feel like feature filled bloat ware.

That means OS 10.7 has been in development for a while, and its news because ppl were not sure if it would be called OS 11.0.

I remember that Jaguar was fast, Panther was slow, then Tiger was fast, Leopard felt sluggish and now Snow Leopard feels decent again. If this is the case OS 10.7 will be feature rich, however will not compare to Snow Leopard as far as speed goes. The Dev Team already mentioned that it will focus on feature with one release and refinements with the following release. This was the case following OS 10.1

I still remember OS 10.0, so many bugs however it looked beautiful for its day. A decade goes fast, and Apple has been focusing more on a "HUD" style UI leaving the 3D look in the past. It will be missed. :(

[Topper]

.
A new operating system but they can't even get QuickTime right.

How about using some of those bright minds to bring out QT X Pro instead of a new operating system?
.

[Truffy]

Apple is working on the next version of OSX ... slow news day? Guess it keeps the add traffic up :rolleyes:
Could be worse, it could be another Chinese-iphone-appstore-AT&T crapfest! ;)

[Truffy]

Lynx is synonomous with the cheap deodorant bought by teenagers.
Hey, I used to buy Lynx. When I was younger. And had less money. Oh....! :o

[greg400]

.
A new operating system but they can't even get QuickTime right.

How about using some of those bright minds to bring out QT X Pro instead of a new operating system?
.

Quicktime 7 was using old old technology from all prior versions of quicktime. It's not that simple to rewrite an entire application from what it was ever since it was released and include all the features the previous one had. You can't simply just port over old features because it was completely changed for the better. When I mean completely changed I mean completely changed. Wait until 10.7 for the QuickTime Pro features to be included in QuickTime X.

[mreg376]

Wouldn't 10.7 be the features expected for 10.6, but not included? Already started!

Considering that Apple said from the first announcement of Snow Leopard that there would be no major new features what exactly were you "expecting"?

[wrldwzrd89]

Quicktime 7 was using old old technology from all prior versions of quicktime. It's not that simple to rewrite an entire application from what it was ever since it was released and include all the features the previous one had. You can't simply just port over old features because it was completely changed for the better. When I mean completely changed I mean completely changed. Wait until 10.7 for the QuickTime Pro features to be included in QuickTime X.
I completely agree. Apple took a bold step when they created QuickTime X. Trouble is, though they got some things very right, the stuff they got wrong is bafflingly wrong.
Maybe an example will make my point clearer: Why are the playback controls stuck INSIDE the content window? That just seems dumb to me - what if you, for whatever reason, wish to advance the movie frame by frame? Then, the playback controls get in the way.

[Topper]

Quicktime 7 was using old old technology from all prior versions of quicktime. It's not that simple to rewrite an entire application from what it was ever since it was released and include all the features the previous one had. You can't simply just port over old features because it was completely changed for the better. When I mean completely changed I mean completely changed.

I've heard all that bs before.
It's not completely changed for the better until it includes "Pro."
As matter of fact, QuickTime X is completely useless to me. I have deleted it from my computer.

Wait until 10.7 for the QuickTime Pro features to be included in QuickTime X

Oh yeah, wait for 10.7 when it should have been included in 10.6.
.

[elppa]

I predict when 10.7 comes out people will claim 10.6 was one of the best releases ever and there is no need to upgrade.

It's called the previous release was better because one or two things don't work with the new release syndrome. Witness Tiger better than Leopard, Leopard better than Snow Leopard etc.

...and so it begins
Debate topics to look forward to
1. Marble interface or Aqua
Aqua has had 10 years (since announced). I think something different and would be nice. It could build on much of the UI work done for iLife/Pro Apps and other trends started by 3rd party developers.
2. iTunes going Cocoa? Hopefully, although no need to ship a new OS for this.
3. Filesystem
Hope so, although building one from scratch is very different to integrating an existing open source project where much of the design and the development has taken place.
4. Touch enabled Probably unlikely.
5. Resolution independence Makes sense to do this with a new UI - as in all 3rd party apps would have to change anyway
6. Serial number/activation coming? Hope not.
7. What will it be called
8. When will it ship and how many delays? Within 18-24 months
9. Will it run iPhone apps natively? Unlikely, but possible.
10. Minium specifications?
Drop Core Duo/Core Solo support (maybe). So only 64 bit intel chips are supported. This rules out the early intel machines. Of course Apple may wait another release before doing this.
11. Can pressing the green button finally make the screen fully maximize.
The behaviour needs to be consistent. Zoom or full screen. Not both.
12. How much will it cost?
Back to standard pricing. Or Apple may go slightly higher, depending on the user facing features.
13. Can someone give me the phone number of the chick on the icon of PhotoBooth.app, the glasses so hot. So those 512x512px icons in Snow Leopard really do make a difference

Besides, Snow Leopard will still be usable on your Mac just like OS9 still works on some older Macs! I'm sure software developers won't immediately abandon making updates for that version of the operating system. They'll at least continue for a few months, anyway.

System 6 – Mac OS 9 just got a twitter client (http://www.retards.org/projects/grackle68k/). And a project (http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/) has started to make a Gecko browser for OS 9. Why do you people always believe the glass is half empty? :D

The other (probably more important) reasons for dropping PPC support from 10.6 were:
- fat binaries for all the user applications contain two rather than four executables, resulting in 10.6 taking less disk space than 10.5.
- no need to compile and test PPC versions. This speeds up the build times, allowing more time for development during the development cycle and it allows Apple to reassign QA engineers from PPC to Intel.

I think only the second reason is valid. The first point is not as valid because Apple could have easily checked during installation the architecture of the machine and installed the correctly compiled binaries.

If a mapped drive on Windows disconnects, that mapping stays there, persistent, and reconnects automatically if a program or user accesses it. It's transparent to the user and, ironically, very Mac-like.

I just hope someone at Apple recognizes that for the massive Achilles' heel it is and fixes it in 10.7. There has to be a better way than what OS X does now.

Couldn't agree more. There's so many things wrong to go into detail. The awful connection dialog, unexpected disconnects, putting shortcuts to network locations in the Finder sidebar, lack of read/write S/FTP support. And it has barely gotten better since 10.3. So little thought and attention put into this area.

The performance is terrible as well. I don't think they could have a slower implementation of WebDAV if they tried.

The only time when you can work ahead is when you write some completely separate application.

Or if they are building proof of concepts that something could work, but not integrating it into the OS codebase yet.

Nice. It'll be interesting to see if they can regain the lead in consumer operating system functionality.
Highly subjective. Debatable Apple have lost the lead. And I'm not saying Windows 7 (which I'm guessing is what you are referring too) isn't good (it is), but there are things Mac OS X includes that Windows 7 doesn't or can't (for whatever reason, legal or otherwise). Granted the reverse is true also, in that some things Windows 7 has are missing from Mac OS X (like bit locker).

If Windows 7 included everything in Mac OS X and was as clean and simple, then yes, I would say Apple had lost the lead. It is probably a tie (assuming you compare one of the fuller versions Windows 7 (like Home Premium).

[greg400]

I've heard all that bs before.
It's not completely changed for the better until it includes "Pro."
As matter of fact, QuickTime X is completely useless to me. I have deleted it from my computer.

Oh yeah, wait for 10.7 when it should have been included in 10.6.
.
Ok, well I couldn't really care less that you find it useless because in the scheme of things sticking with the old quicktime technology would've been one of the dumbest mistakes they could've made. You can always say should've, would've, could've until you're put in the developers shoes and realize what you are trying to tackle is something very large.

[wrldwzrd89]

I've heard all that bs before.
It's not completely changed for the better until it includes "Pro."
As matter of fact, QuickTime X is completely useless to me. I have deleted it from my computer.
Oh yeah, wait for 10.7 when it should have been included in 10.6.
Even if the QuickTime X Player is useless to you (which I could understand, if you depend on features of QuickTime 7 for your workflow), deleting the application from your computer is just asking for trouble with software updates, particularly QT-specific updates.

That said, I also think there should be an easy way to change all of QuickTime's associations to QuickTime Player 7 in Snow Leopard, for people in your situation. The lack of such a feature makes life harder for people like you.

[parish]

It better not be called Lynx.

The jokes here in the UK would be awful given that Lynx is synonomous with the cheap deodorant bought by teenagers.

Good point, although given that the "Lynx effect" causes nubile young women to rip their clothes off and throw themselves at you (adverts never lie, right?) it might be a good thing for us Mac users who are the wrong side of 50 :D ;)

As for "Ex" vs. "Ten", I always thought it was pronounced "Ex", and "Oh Ess Ex" sounds way cooler than "Oh Ess Ten". Oh, and I once heard someone call it "Oss Ten" :rolleyes:

[scottishwildcat]

I thought Apple dropped ZFS development.

They did, but they also recently advertised for filesystem engineers, so one can assume they might just be writing their own instead.

[scottishwildcat]

what if you, for whatever reason, wish to advance the movie frame by frame? Then, the playback controls get in the way.
Depends why you're doing it, I suppose. So far, just being able to move the controls out of the way of whatever part of the frame I'm interested in has sufficed for me.

[BornAgainMac]

Anyone else feel like OS X is nearing the end of its life? In 2000, when Jobs introduced OS X, he called it the roadmap for the next decade.

I heard that speech and I remember he said the next 20 years.

[mcarling]

I think only the second reason is valid. The first point is not as valid because Apple could have easily checked during installation the architecture of the machine and installed the correctly compiled binaries.
That's a good point. However, your suggestion would complicate the installation procedure (possibly reducing reliability) and would require significantly more space on the install DVD. If it would require a 2 DVD installation, then my point has considerable validity.

[dernhelm]

You mean they've finished 10.6, put out a couple of service releases, and now they're starting 10.7? Say it isn't so! I can see why this is front page news.

And here I was assuming that Steve would have the entire OS team sitting on their hands for the next several months.

[iBug2]

I heard that speech and I remember he said the next 20 years.

Yes he said 20 years.

[JeffDM]

Slow news day?

The last paragraph tells us why it's not really news.

[elppa]

That's a good point. However, your suggestion would complicate the installation procedure (possibly reducing reliability) and would require significantly more space on the install DVD. If it would require a 2 DVD installation, then my point has considerable validity.

Leopard had universal binaries on and it was a single DVD. As the footprint of Snow Leopard is smaller… well.

The Snow Leopard installer is very complex anyway (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/08/12/sources_detail_changes_to_snow_leopard_installation_process.html). For example:

* A reinstallation will not affect your Mac OS X version number. In other words, reinstallation of Mac OS X 10.6 on a Mac that contains Mac OS X 10.6.1 (when it becomes available) will not overwrite any new components delivered by 10.6.1. So when the re-install is complete, you will still be running Mac OS X 10.6.1. This will save users considerable time. (Hence the "registering components" message you now see.)

* If a power outage occurs, installation will pick up from where it left off.

If they can add this stuff, then I don't see that adding selective installation of binaries would be beyond the realms of possibility for the installer team.

[JeffDM]

It better not be called Lynx.

The jokes here in the UK would be awful given that Lynx is synonymous with the cheap deodorant bought by teenagers.

People said the same of the Wii, but it's a popular console anyway. The jokes might have helped with the marketing.

[Thomas2006]

Apple had to drop ZFS due to licensing issues when Oracle bought Sun but Apple has since taken on a File systems developer so it looks like they are going to create something internally. They had a job posting for the position recently.
Maybe Apple will deliver "WinFS" with the ragline "You've seen the dream, now live the reality."

[EliteF50]

Can't wait for Rain Leopard. :D

I'm almost positive they'll name it Mac OS X Lynx. :)

[HyperX13]

Please give me an option not to have unified menus!! When I have two apps side by side I want to go back and forth between them without remembering 1000 key strokes or constantly clicking in on focus. Unified menus especially suck on large 30 inch monitors. After using macs for 4 years, this is my biggest issue with them. How hard would it be to attach a menu to top of each app instead of the top bar?

[Analog Kid]

This would be news if Apple *wasn't* working on 10.7. I find it interesting that they're still so early in the process. Apparently they don't do overlapping development.

In most really big developments, the next major release is started as soon as the previous one hits feature freeze.

[Topper]

deleting the application from your computer is just asking for trouble with software updates, particularly QT-specific updates.


I don't believe there will be anymore QT 7 updates so that's not a problem.

I also think there should be an easy way to change all of QuickTime's associations to QuickTime Player 7 in Snow Leopard, for people in your situation. The lack of such a feature makes life harder for people like you.

The good news it there is a way and I've already done it.
If you try to delete QT X from your computer, it will keep popping up because off an application called "QuickTime Launcher.app"
The strange part is "QuickTime Launcher" is part of QT 7 not QT X.
The first thing you've got to do is delete "QuickTime Launcher."
It is actually inside the QT 7 application so you delete it by:
1. Right click the QT 7 app and select Show Package Contents.
2. Next open contents/Resources/Quicktime Launcher.app.
3. Delete the app (you will need admin privileges)
4. Log out and back in and you will have no more problems with the launcher app.
Then finally delete QT X.

I assume you know how to use "Get Info" to change all the associations back to QT 7.

[baryon]

...and so it begins

Debate topics to look forward to
1. Marble interface or Aqua
2. iTunes going Cocoa?
3. Filesystem
4. Touch enabled
5. Resolution independence
6. Serial number/activation coming?
7. What will it be called
8. When will it ship and how many delays?
9. Will it run iPhone apps natively?
10. Minium specifications?
11. Can pressing the green button finally make the screen fully maximize.
12. How much will it cost?
13. Can someone give me the phone number of the chick on the icon of PhotoBooth.app, the glasses so hot.

I can already answer a few just to make the speculation less exciting:

1. Marble interface or Aqua >> Very probably a new interface, Marble or whatever they wanna call it
2. iTunes going Cocoa? >> That isn't OS dependent, iTunes gets released separately from OS X
3. Filesystem >> Not a very exciting topic
4. Touch enabled >> Probably more multi touch
5. Resolution independence >> I'm not sure what that is
6. Serial number/activation coming? >> Very probably not, if it has worked this way so far, then they won't change the system
7. What will it be called >> Uhm... Polar Bear?
8. When will it ship and how many delays? >> It's too early to know, but probably like always
9. Will it run iPhone apps natively? >> No, that would hurt iPhone sales + you would need a touchscreen computer which doesn't seem to be the case so far
10. Minium specifications? Will run on any Intel Mac
11. Can pressing the green button finally make the screen fully maximize. >> Probably not
12. How much will it cost? >> The same as always, except for Snow Leopard. This is a major OS, so unlike Snow Leopard, it will cost whatever previous OSs have costed I think.

[Sweetfeld28]

Hopefully, things progress quickly. A WWDC preview in 2010 would be very nice.

[baryon]

Please give me an option not to have unified menus!! When I have two apps side by side I want to go back and forth between them without remembering 1000 key strokes or constantly clicking in on focus. Unified menus especially suck on large 30 inch monitors. After using macs for 4 years, this is my biggest issue with them. How hard would it be to attach a menu to top of each app instead of the top bar?

This is the way OS X works. Windows is a Window-centric system while OS X is an App-centric one. This means that Windows make it look like each App is a window, while OS X makes it look like each window is part of an invisible App. If the menu bar wasn't unified, each window of an App would have to have a menu bar, adding clutter.

I think OS X will stay App-centric, which means that they have to have ONE menu bar for the entire App, as the menu bar represents the App itself, and the windows are just sub-units of the app. This reduces clutter too.

[steve2112]

Cougar or Mountain Lion next?

Or could it be Simba from the Lion King?! lol

I'm still hoping for LOLCat, and for iLife to have a new app called iCheezburger. I also hope OSX makes it to version 10.10, so they can call it 10^2 (OS Ten Squared).


Wow, I am such a nerd. Sometimes I surprise myself.

[Flyinsquirrel]

7. What will it be called?

Lucid Lynx, wait I think I'm in the wrong forum...

[*LTD*]

I'm still hoping for LOLCat, and for iLife to have a new app called iCheezburger. I also hope OSX makes it to version 10.10, so they can call it 10^2 (OS Ten Squared).


Wow, I am such a nerd. Sometimes I surprise myself.

:D:D

[overcast]

I'm still hoping for LOLCat, and for iLife to have a new app called iCheezburger. I also hope OSX makes it to version 10.10, so they can call it 10^2 (OS Ten Squared).


Wow, I am such a nerd. Sometimes I surprise myself.

10^2 is 100.

[baryon]

How about OS X Garfield?

[azentropy]

Was never promised for any version. Only speculated.

Sure it was (even in the original Leopard Overview) and was speculated about even before that:
http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/

[steve2112]

10^2 is 100.

Not in marketing speak. :D

Hmm...1010. I guess it would still be just OS X. (Think binary)

[Schizoid]

When's 10.8 out?

[Michael73]

Am I the only one out there who would like to see windows finally get the ability to be resized from ANY PLACE, not just the bottom right-hand corner?!?

I also expect (or at least strongly hope) 10.7 to be fully 64bit top to bottom.

The finder icon in the dock looks dorky, they really need to come up with something more visually appealing.

[andiwm2003]

i guess i skip snow leopard then....

no seriously i tried snow leopard and didn't see any difference in speed or UI thaty were significant enough for me to go through the update trouble. the only reason to go to snow leopard would be to do a fresh install from scratch and to clean out my HD from programs and stuff i never use anymore.

i hope we finally get resolution independence.

[heisetax]

Anyone else feel like OS X is nearing the end of its life? In 2000, when Jobs introduced OS X, he called it the roadmap for the next decade. With the abandonment of PowerPC and now Snow Leopard officially ending any upgrade path for PPC, it seems reasonable to think that the next OS version will be something more radical, perhaps even the blueprint for the next decade. Could this deserve a new version number like XI, or is X here to stay, like the "Windows" moniker? At any rate, I think 10.7/11.0 will be a major overhaul of the UI and OS, while 10.6 was a way to pacify power pc users so they didn't get too excited about being left out of the next OS.

Actually the 1st gen Intel Macs are left out of almost as much of 10.6 as the PPC Users have been. I'm including my 1st gen Intel Mac Pro that much of 10.6 does not apply to. But this is really just typical Steve Jobs.

[Jayomat]

Actually the 1st gen Intel Macs are left out of almost as much of 10.6 as the PPC Users have been. I'm including my 1st gen Intel Mac Pro that much of 10.6 does not apply to. But this is really just typical Steve Jobs.

apple does what's best for apple's bank account... :rolleyes:

[stagi]

Obviously they are working on another one. They're probably six months into it by now.
True, I bet a nice mid 2011 release for Cougar??

[Truffy]

is X here to stay, like the "Windows" moniker?
X is part of the brand name, and Apple's spent a lot of money promoting that brand. I don't see it being dropped any time in the near future.

The cat thing, on the other hand, jeez how far can they take that?

[pondosinatra]

Maybe they can come up with a consistent interface for once? Nah, that's to much to expect, I'm sure they just add a new one to the already existing half dozen.... :rolleyes:

[mobi]

Great news!

My wife's Power Mac G4 (QuickSilver) came with the OS X Cheetah back in 2001 and it is amazing how the software has evolved...actually its been quite amazing to witness the Mac platform soar.

[rusty2192]

Whenever they decide to move past OS X, my vote goes to OS Xs (the s stands for speed);) plus, it sounds cool when you say it.

Oh no, here comes back the arguments of whether it's "ex" or "ten".

[ajbrehm]

Speaking of the OS9 transition to OSX is anyone really anxious to see what Apple is going to have in store after OSX is over? With new OS releases approximately every two years from Apple i'm assuming it's going to be in the time frame of 2015 (that's if the world doesn't end in 2012:D). I'm probably thinking way too far ahead right now but I really can't imagine what kind of leap Apple will make from OSX to OS11 (or whatever they may call it).

I think the best choice would be to make the next upgrade a severe one, with lots of new features and a new GUI and name it "Lion" (a big new cat) and "Mac OS X 11", syncing Mac OS X' pseudo version number with the kernel version number (10.x for Snow Leopard, 9.x for Leopard).

That would solve the uname problem (uname command reports different version number the the Finder does) and the naming problem.

[Bubba Satori]

Oh WOW! Already?! Well good for them. More time to make it perfect! Let's hope it will be $29 again! :D

Perfect? :rolleyes:

It will be an an ongoing public beta like previous OSX releases were, with the the exception of 10.5, which was relatively stable and free of serious data wiping, sytem crashing or beach balling bugs.

Sorry, L/SL were way buggier than Vista. 10.7 is analogous to W7. Hopefully it's as good as W7.

[Mr. Wonderful]

...and so it begins

Debate topics to look forward to
1. Marble interface or Aqua
2. iTunes going Cocoa?
3. Filesystem
4. Touch enabled
5. Resolution independence
6. Serial number/activation coming?
7. What will it be called
8. When will it ship and how many delays?
9. Will it run iPhone apps natively?
10. Minium specifications?
11. Can pressing the green button finally make the screen fully maximize.
12. How much will it cost?
13. Can someone give me the phone number of the chick on the icon of PhotoBooth.app, the glasses so hot.

I swear, if we have to wait till 10.7 for Quicktime to not suck and iTunes to go 64-bit...

I honestly can't believe we haven't seen any sort of update to Quicktime X yet since Snow Leopard's release. It's as if they've decided they're going to stick to having Quicktime X be simply a lightweight player that only does the bare minimum, and for most file formats, not even that, natively.

[flopticalcube]

Hopefully it's as good as W7.
I agree. They could do well by using W7 as an example of stability from day one. For a performance and stability release, I have seen little of either in SL.

[*LTD*]

Perfect? :rolleyes:

It will be an an ongoing public beta like previous OSX releases were, with the the exception of 10.5, which was relatively stable and free of serious data wiping, sytem crashing or beach balling bugs.

Sorry, L/SL were way buggier than Vista. 10.7 is analogous to W7. Hopefully it's as good as W7.

Win 7 is about where Leopard was a year ago. It's no Snow Leopard.

[bplein]

10.7 "Norwegian Forest Cat"

[Nickday89]

i wonder what cat they'll name this one

[dwman]

And I only just installed Snow Leopard yesterday. :rolleyes:

[drlunanerd]

Perfect? :rolleyes:

It will be an an ongoing public beta like previous OSX releases were, with the the exception of 10.5, which was relatively stable and free of serious data wiping, sytem crashing or beach balling bugs.

You mean apart from the Massive Data Loss Finder Bug (http://tomkarpik.com/articles/massive-data-loss-bug-in-leopard/) in 10.5? :eek:

[cmaier]

This is the way OS X works. Windows is a Window-centric system while OS X is an App-centric one. This means that Windows make it look like each App is a window, while OS X makes it look like each window is part of an invisible App. If the menu bar wasn't unified, each window of an App would have to have a menu bar, adding clutter.

I think OS X will stay App-centric, which means that they have to have ONE menu bar for the entire App, as the menu bar represents the App itself, and the windows are just sub-units of the app. This reduces clutter too.

A single menu at the top of the screen is also better from a MMI perspective. It presents a much larger mouse target since I just move my mouse upward - I can't move my mouse too far, because the top of the screen prevents m from overshooting. If the menu is in the window I have to aim for a narrow little strip. Useability testing shows that the top-of-screen menu results in much less user fatigue and in more user productivity.

[t0mat0]

So anyone have a comparison of a previous OS X version at about xA47 to see how long they took to get from 47 to release?
e.g. 11A47 -> GM in the 12 months, 18 months? From the length of time from release of current OS to announcement of next OS, it's usually 9 months, isn't it? Someone did a table showing the lengths. Would put official word around Feb-> WWDC time?

[rotarydial]

I'm really digging a few previous posters suggestions of "10.7 Ocelot". That just sounds so badass.

[r.j.s]

apple does what's best for apple's bank account... :rolleyes:

OMFG !!!1111!!:eek::eek: You mean they are a publicly-traded company with a legal obliglation to stockholders to do just that? :eek::eek:


:rolleyes:

[Peace]

So anyone have a comparison of a previous OS X version at about xA47 to see how long they took to get from 47 to release?
e.g. 11A47 -> GM in the 12 months, 18 months? From the length of time from release of current OS to announcement of next OS, it's usually 9 months, isn't it? Someone did a table showing the lengths. Would put official word around Feb-> WWDC time?

10.7 would probably go gold next Sept. thereabouts.

[Smaugg]

Anyone else feel like OS X is nearing the end of its life? In 2000, when Jobs introduced OS X, he called it the roadmap for the next decade. With the abandonment of PowerPC and now Snow Leopard officially ending any upgrade path for PPC, it seems reasonable to think that the next OS version will be something more radical, perhaps even the blueprint for the next decade. Could this deserve a new version number like XI, or is X here to stay, like the "Windows" moniker? At any rate, I think 10.7/11.0 will be a major overhaul of the UI and OS, while 10.6 was a way to pacify power pc users so they didn't get too excited about being left out of the next OS.

I do. But the next version is already out: it's the iPhone's OS. Apple wants a cut when you buy a piece of software, buy a song or watch a movie. With OS X you can buy DVDs, CDs and software and use them on your computer without paying Apple for it. With the iPhone's OS, everything goes through Apple. I can't image Apple not working on transferring the iPhone's business model to the Mac. They can't do this overnight. I think they'll get a toehold into a controlled App Store system but for desktop software through the mythical Tablet and once that system has matured transfer it to the Mac. Think about it: whatever you want to do with your iPhone (watch movies, listen to music, download apps) Apple gets a cut for it. That's not the case with OSX. Apple resists adding blu-ray to Macs because they don't make money when users buy blu-ray disks; they make money when they download the movie through iTunes, or do you believe the notorious "bag of hurt" excuse?

[ChrisA]

What else would Apple's Mac OS X engineers be doing? They were likely working on .7 before .6 was shipping. I'd bet a few of them are working on projects that will goin into .8

At work, my software as installed and used in production is .13 and my "do to" task list of new features covers .14, .15 and .16 Mostly I work on the .14 stuff but I do have to take a longer view and figure out where we are headed long term.

[Bubba Satori]

Resolution independence

That's really amazing, when you think about it.
It's almost 2010 and that's still being waited for. Unbelievable. :rolleyes:

[Bubba Satori]

You mean apart from the Massive Data Loss Finder Bug (http://tomkarpik.com/articles/massive-data-loss-bug-in-leopard/) in 10.5? :eek:

Otay, there was that. :D
But Tiger was a paragon of stability compared to Leopard.
iPhone developement not only delayed Leopard, but also put a serious dent in it's overall quality.

[glennyboiwpg]

Anyone else feel like OS X is nearing the end of its life? In 2000, when Jobs introduced OS X, he called it the roadmap for the next decade. With the abandonment of PowerPC and now Snow Leopard officially ending any upgrade path for PPC, it seems reasonable to think that the next OS version will be something more radical, perhaps even the blueprint for the next decade. Could this deserve a new version number like XI, or is X here to stay, like the "Windows" moniker? At any rate, I think 10.7/11.0 will be a major overhaul of the UI and OS, while 10.6 was a way to pacify power pc users so they didn't get too excited about being left out of the next OS.

The only reason why you would throw away a piece of software and start completely from scratch is because that software was poorly designed or implemented and its more work to fix it then it is to rebuild it.

Thats why they switched from the old mac systems to the new unix based mac os.

They may name it OS 11 or OS XI and you might have a more radical changed in the UI, but I highly doubt apple will be throwing away OSX any time soon.

[Jason Beck]

OSX "Saber"
"The OS with a bite! Rawr!~"

[powers74]

Nah, you know Apple:

"WOW guys! great job with Snow Leopard! What a great OS. OK, you know what? How about let's take a year off, kick it, go on hiatus, learn to surf, get your flying license, you know, just take this year to find yourself that you missed between engineering school and working here at Apple. Have a great time, and when you get back, we can start talking about what we might want to do with 10.7. So once again, thanks for all your hard work, and... catch you on the flip side!"

[lunarworks]

The only reason why you would throw away a piece of software and start completely from scratch is because that software was poorly designed or implemented and its more work to fix it then it is to rebuild it.

Thats why they switched from the old mac systems to the new unix based mac os.

They may name it OS 11 or OS XI and you might have a more radical changed in the UI, but I highly doubt apple will be throwing away OSX any time soon.

Exactly. At this point it's a mature system and developers know how it works. All you can do is make it more secure, efficient, and add features.

Of course, a future system should always be under development, but in a backburner sorta way.

[JFreak]

I remember that Jaguar was fast, Panther was slow, then Tiger was fast, Leopard felt sluggish and now Snow Leopard feels decent again.

Strange; I rememnger that Puma was sluggish, Jaguar was decent, Panther was fast. Then came tons of features with Tiger, and the early days were horrible and the latest Tigers were decent. Then came tons of features with Leopard, and the early days were horrible and the latest Leopards were decent. Now this shiny new Snow Leopard is fast again.

It may have something to do with hardware.

I was using Puma/Jaguar/Panther with a 667MHz G4 PowerBook (never got a chance of using Tiger with it, as its display broke before its intro), and OSX become faster and faster over time.

Then I bought 1.25GHz G4 PowerBook that came with Tiger, and also used Tiger/Leopard with Quad G5 PowerMac and 2.2GHz MacBook Pro. Never used Leopard with the G4 PowerBook, but PM and MBP both became much faster with the later Leopard builds compared to Tiger.

Now I have Snow Leopard installed on the very same MBP together with Quad Mac Pro, and both are faster with SL than the latest Leopard.

so...

In my book Tiger/Leopard era was a definite setback in terms of performance. There were tons of new features introduced, which evidently ate performance for breakfast. I'm so happy with this new Snow Leopard which instantly brought back good memories from Puma->Jaguar and Jaguar->Panther upgrades.

[Jac-el]

No, just X. There's nothing in the build number to indicate XI.

Example:

10.0.0 = 4K78
10.1.0 = 5G64
10.2.0 = 6C115
10.3.0 = 7B85
10.4.0 = 8A428
10.5.0 = 9A581
10.6.0 = 10A432
10.7.x = 11A47



Fair enough, it doesn't indicate XI on the strength that the code is 11, but if the next version were to be XI then what would the code be? would it revert back to 1 instead? It could still be 11A47

It is possible for XI isn't it? with multiple rumours of a itablet next year surely it is possible we may see a redesigned interface to implement touch interface or to intergrate iPhone OS.

And with Windows 7 it would be hard to sell a version 7 of OSX without being percieved by some like they are behind the times. I'm for Ocelot :)

[Winni]

...Apple is already working on the next version of OS X, presumably to designated Mac OS X 10.7.

"I am Jack's complete lack of surprise."
- Edward Norton in Fight Club

I also bet that Microsoft's Windows dev team is also already working on Windows 8 or whatever they're going to call it. Just like Canonical are already working on Ubuntu 10.4 and the Fedora Project is already working on Fedora 13.

What do you folks expect? That there is a long break after a product release where nobody is doing anything and everybody just hopes that this was going to be the final product that will be sold unchanged for all eternity? Usually the next couple of succeeding products are already on the drawing board before the current product is being shipped. In each software development cycle comes the time of a feature freeze, and after that all new ideas are being saved for the next version. And some companies even work on two versions of a product at the same time - for example, Microsoft did that with Internet Explorer 3 and 4.

So this is hardly worth noting. It's just the typical annoyance with Apple's ridiculous secrecy. While other companies ANNOUNCE new products and new features and even give away free public betas (like Windows 7), Apple only fires some vague rumors about science fiction products. Or they talk about magical new features that are nowhere to be found in their products. Where were the 300 new features in Leopard, by the way? I remember Time Machine and Quick Look (which still is a killer feature, I must say). But where was the mysterious rest? I never found anything worth mentioning.

Anyway. Maybe 10.7 will fix the broken wireless LAN that Snow Leopard so amazingly introduced. After all, every new OS X release is only what other companies give away as service packs. Only that Apple charges for them.

[RebootD]

Do we have to go all the way up to 11.0 before we get a completely new UI overhaul?

I appreciate the stability and wonderfulness that is the current OSX platform but I am also for killing Aqua.

[Toe]

Since Macs are moving very strongly away from desktops and toward laptops... how about:

Mac OS X 10.7 Tabby

It sits in your lap and purrs. :p:cool:;):p

[Toe]

Who says OSes have to be badass?

This OS is cute, snuggly, and friendly. :p

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/CAT2007_05_16.jpg/800px-CAT2007_05_16.jpg

[wizard]

Reason # 594 for me to skip SL and just wait for the next kitty...

Seriosly if you have Intel hardware you might want to rethink that. I'm finding SL to be one of the best OS upgrades Apple has delivered. The next rev is likely to introduce a bunch of new stuff leading to software incompatibilities.

Frankly I'm surprised that this attitude still exists. Is SL perfect - no - but it improves so many things that the trade offs are very worthwhile.


Dave

[Toe]

The OS for the rest of u... awwww, what a cute kitty!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Jammlicher.jpg/800px-Jammlicher.jpg

[r.j.s]

When did this thread become just pictures of cats? :confused:

[Toe]

When did this thread become just pictures of cats? :confused:

When it became too funny not to be just pictures of cats.

After all, we're talking about what cat Apple would pick for their next OS name sometime in 2011 probably... like we have nothing better to do with our time. :D

[Mattie Num Nums]

I don't think Leopard or Snow Leopard was 100% successful. I think they really rushed and missed some key things with both. I loved Leopard, Snow Leopard was def. worth 29 bucks nothing more nothing less. I am hoping 10.7 is actually the revolutionary upgrade to Tiger we have been waiting for and not just another "Service Pack".

[Toe]

Or if Apple insists that they have to have tough-guy cats for every release... they can still use a Tabby.

Just hope they don't get in a dispute with Tomcat. :p

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Feral_cat_Virginia_crop.jpg/515px-Feral_cat_Virginia_crop.jpg

[gnasher729]

Please give me an option not to have unified menus!! When I have two apps side by side I want to go back and forth between them without remembering 1000 key strokes or constantly clicking in on focus. Unified menus especially suck on large 30 inch monitors. After using macs for 4 years, this is my biggest issue with them. How hard would it be to attach a menu to top of each app instead of the top bar?

Command-Tab.

[rotarydial]

http://www.myspacefx.net/graphics/cat/Funny_Graphics_and_Pics/lol-cats_i-love-this-thread-so-much.jpg

[Michael73]

10.7 would probably go gold next Sept. thereabouts.

That feels like an awfully fast dev cycle to me. But, I suppose it also depends on how much they're going to shove into the release.

I think there was an earlier post which rang more true to me which pegged a 2010 WWDC preview with a spring or summer 2011 intro date.

[gnasher729]

Not sure if this is news or not, however according to my understanding there are two teams that work on Mac OS X.(

I think that will be news to Apple.

[Peace]

That feels like an awfully fast dev cycle to me. But, I suppose it also depends on how much they're going to shove into the release.

I think there was an earlier post which rang more true to me which pegged a 2010 WWDC preview with a spring or summer 2011 intro date.

That's what I meant. Sept. 2011.. I'm just waking up. DO'H !

[Toe]

Not sure if this is news or not, however according to my understanding there are two teams that work on Mac OS X.

Team One was working on OS 10.1 while Team Two was working on OS 10.2, then when OS 10.1 was released, Team One works on OS 10.3 and so on and so forth. This is why you will notice that with some OS 10.x release it offers speed and others feel like feature filled bloat ware.

You mean like on page two of this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8835213&postcount=42)? ;)

[Compile 'em all]

In other news, there is no news.*


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[aine]

I'm going with Lynx. Sounds great.
Sounds too much like "Linux". Say it 5 times fast: Li-nux. Li-nux. Linux. Linx. Lynx.

[Povilas]

Mac OS X Pussycat :D

[greg400]

These name suggestions are terrible. Everyone knows the next release will be titled Mac OS X Keyboard Cat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J---aiyznGQ).

[mytdave]

Good, and 10.7 needs to be on a short release cycle. Finish refining the changes made in 10.6, fix bugs, improve APIs, and maybe roll out a UI improvement... But let's see if Apple will finally correct one of MacOS's longest standing, biggest problem, most annoying issues of all time - sucky graphics drivers/support.

I expect full latest-version OpenGL support, massive improvements in GPU acceleration, full SLI/Crossfire type of capabilities, and full support for nearly any recent generation graphics card on the market. At a minimum the current line of the majors - nVidia, ATI and Matrox should be supported.

I am so sick of lackluster graphics support on the platform that is supposed to be the graphics king. It is beyond annoying, approaching criminal, that I can't just run down to the store, buy a shinny new ATI 5870 or an nVidia GTX 295 and pop it into my Mac Pro and just have it work. Heck, nVidia has a unified Linux driver that works with 90% of their current cards. If nVidia can do it for the wild west of operating systems, Apple can certainly man up and write a dang driver for their tightly controlled OS.

Apple also needs to support more GPU options for their other computers as well, which will need driver support in the OS. And what is the deal with the lame 256MB or 512MB vram configurations Apple? 1GB is now becoming common in average PCs. Get a clue, fix the graphics.

Yes, 10.7 better make a significant improvement in this department. Your bread and butter (graphics) market is starting to bail to Windows and Linux platforms cause your systems can't hack it. Fix the graphics! :mad:

[BTW]

I say preview of 10.7 Lynx/Cougar at WWDC ’10 with a ship date of Spring ’11. :D

And please don’t name it “Clouded Leopard."

I believe they already have Lion reserved.

10.7 should be a feature-rich version. I expect it to have a fast development pace with a release in 18 months from the time of start. SL has the foundations for what Lion will be.

[Coleco]

Why not 11?
As the immortal Nigel Tufnel said: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088258/quotes

No, just X. There's nothing in the build number to indicate XI.

Example:

10.0.0 = 4K78
10.1.0 = 5G64
10.2.0 = 6C115
10.3.0 = 7B85
10.4.0 = 8A428
10.5.0 = 9A581
10.6.0 = 10A432
10.7.x = 11A47

[ivladster]

Now that Windows 7 is out Apple has plenty of time to make next OS that will blow all the copycats away. Now Apple needs to compete Windows 7 and Google Chrome.

I don't think 10.7 will be $29 though update though.:apple:

[powers74]

I once heard someone call it "Oss Ten" :rolleyes:

HO! I'm going to start calling it that! Ha, that's great!

[Jacquesass]

Reason # 594 for me to skip SL and just wait for the next kitty...

I love that it was exactly 2 posts after the OP before someone discussed skipping SL for 10.7.

[jtshaw]

Reason # 594 for me to skip SL and just wait for the next kitty...

If this is your reason you'd wait forever... I'd expect that some developers have been working on 10.7 for quite some time... and they will probably be some working on 10.8 not long after 10.7 feature complete I'd guess as well.