US viewers complain over gay kiss. [Archive]

mkrishnan

Nov 24, 2009, 07:43 AM

Are Americans really so backward?

Probably the wrong forum for it because it will get moved to PRSI. ;)

I explained this before, when there have been complaints about my moving threads into the PRSI, and I'll do it now, since the comment conveniently preceded my action. :p

It's not that we do not allow any thread about any topic that has any political or social commentary component outside of the PRSI. A topic like this could conceivably be in the Current Events forum, and that would be fine. The expectation would be that the thread not be a debate of sociopolitical issues.

However, when the thread begins with a statement such as the one from the OP quoted above, in regards to a clearly sociopolitical issue, there is clearly no intent whatever from the beginning to have such a light conversation about a random news piece. Since there is no such intent, there is no sensible reason why this thread should not be in the PRSI.

That being said, I'm quite surprised this caused a stir. Heroes had a "lesbian" kiss in it this season, and in a character who's just about 18 at oldest (the cheerleader girl). Will & Grace had men kissing years ago. Granted this is not fiction, but reality TV... well. I'm surprised anyone cares.

But the people who watch this kind of TV are also a subsegment of the population. And besides. 1500 complaints. Seriously... you are aware that the population of the US is around 300,000,000, right?

iBlue

Nov 24, 2009, 07:51 AM

I wonder how many complaints this little stunt at another american music awards show of some kind received:

http://upc.edesignuk.com/uploads/gifs/brit_madonna_big.gif

yg17

Nov 24, 2009, 07:53 AM

I wonder how many complaints this little stunt at another american music awards show of some kind received:

http://upc.edesignuk.com/uploads/gifs/brit_madonna_big.gif

My complaint is that it wasn't long enough and wasn't naked enough :D

IntheNet

Nov 24, 2009, 07:57 AM

Are Americans really so backward?

:rolleyes:

What's to see here but a failed American Idol performer doing bottom of the barrel grotesque and ruining the American Music Awards. Not at all surprising that this spectacle was edited for West Coast (http://www.freep.com/article/20091124/ENT07/911240345/1039/ENT04/Lambert-edited-for-West-Coast) and that ABC will have to answer for its unblocked live East Coast segment... Lambert is not alone here in desperation; other American Idol performers have resorted to ugly spectacles due to their lack of real music talent...

yg17

Nov 24, 2009, 07:59 AM

:rolleyes:

What's to see here but a failed American Idol performer doing bottom of the barrel grotesque and ruining the American Music Awards. Not at all surprising that this spectacle was edited for West Coast (http://www.freep.com/article/20091124/ENT07/911240345/1039/ENT04/Lambert-edited-for-West-Coast) and that ABC will have to answer for its unblocked live East Coast segment... Lambert is not alone here in desperation; other American Idol performers have resorted to ugly spectacles due to their lack of real music talent...

Did a gay kiss really bother you that much? Is anyone's life now different because they saw 2 guys kissing on TV? :rolleyes:

Unspoken Demise

Nov 24, 2009, 08:02 AM

My complaint is that it wasn't long enough and wasn't naked enough :D

I just stared at that gif for a solid minute with my head resting in my hand. I now know how it feels to be a zombie. :D

:rolleyes:

What's to see here but a failed American Idol performer doing bottom of the barrel grotesque and ruining the American Music Awards. Not at all surprising that this spectacle was edited for West Coast (http://www.freep.com/article/20091124/ENT07/911240345/1039/ENT04/Lambert-edited-for-West-Coast) and that ABC will have to answer for its unblocked live East Coast segment... Lambert is not alone here in desperation; other American Idol performers have resorted to ugly spectacles due to their lack of real music talent...

You heard it here first: Kissing: Ugly spectacle.
Thanks for your vast insight InTheNet :rolleyes:

I think you should consult this (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=823155&highlight=science) thread.

arkitect

Nov 24, 2009, 08:03 AM

I just stared at that gif for a solid minute with my head resting in my hand. I now know how it feels to be a zombie. :D

Poor Madge's desperation is palpable.
:o

Dagless

Nov 24, 2009, 08:11 AM

I just stared at that gif for a solid minute with my head resting in my hand. I now know how it feels to be a zombie. :D

And Britney now knows what its like to kiss a zombie.

I haven't heard this Adam bloke sing before, is he any good? Or was this a shot for attention, Heroes did something similar recently. Low ratings+ gay kiss= some attention.

Unspoken Demise

Nov 24, 2009, 08:13 AM

And Britney now knows what its like to kiss a zombie.

Yeah, but Britney was smokin' hot in that performance. Now a days? Not so much...
Madonna looked pretty good as well, but now a days? Not so much...but its all the enhancements. Shes probably dead now anyways, so you assessment is correct. :p
Mmmm desperation of celebrities never looked better in gif format...:D

iBlue

Nov 24, 2009, 08:15 AM

My complaint is that it wasn't long enough and wasn't naked enough :D

This is the sort of attitude that makes me think it didn't receive many complaints. Straight men are likely to have reactions like yours to two women kissing. Straight women probably don't care as much and I doubt anyone who is gay is going to care or complain.
However, when it's two men kissing I would bet that it's (certain sorts of) straight men who somehow seem to get all freaked out by two men kissing that do the bulk of the complaining. I think it's a bit sad really. I don't understand what the big threat is with seeing two people of the same gender kissing. Moral outrage aside, it's just a publicity stunt. Let it go.

yg17

Nov 24, 2009, 08:35 AM

This is the sort of attitude that makes me think it didn't receive many complaints. Straight men are likely to have reactions like yours to two women kissing. Straight women probably don't care as much and I doubt anyone who is gay is going to care or complain.
However, when it's two men kissing I would bet that it's (certain sorts of) straight men who somehow seem to get all freaked out by two men kissing that do the bulk of the complaining. I think it's a bit sad really. I don't understand what the big threat is with seeing two people of the same gender kissing. Moral outrage aside, it's just a publicity stunt. Let it go.

Agreed. And if you don't like it, change the bloody channel. I don't know why that's such a hard concept for people to grasp. People with cable and satellite have eleven gazillion channels, there's bound to be something more appealing to their closed mind.

rdowns

Nov 24, 2009, 08:38 AM

Are Americans really so backward?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8375994.stm

Sadly, yes. Many are.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/media/ALeqM5jU-rAnwYq8AwZWYLpAsUyaRJoBOA?size=s2

Unspoken Demise

Nov 24, 2009, 08:39 AM

Agreed. And if you don't like it, change the bloody channel.

Yeah, that would would make sense to a logical person, but to most...

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46791000/jpg/_46791100_adam_ap226b.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x158/endurasports/WhatHasBeenSeenCannotBeUn-Seen.jpg

eawmp1

Nov 24, 2009, 08:47 AM

What do you expect from a country originally colonized by Puritans? We collectively have issues with overt sexuality in all forms. But damn, we love a good, bloody shoot-em-up!

edesignuk

Nov 24, 2009, 08:51 AM

2 dudes kissed!?!?!

...on television!?!?!?

:eek: this is truly shock and awe.

yg17

Nov 24, 2009, 08:53 AM

2 dudes kissed!?!?!

...on television!?!?!?

:eek: this is truly shock and awe.

Your avatar made me think of something. Sunday's Top Gear could never air over here because people would make a big deal over a crudely drawn penis on someone's cheek.

rdowns

Nov 24, 2009, 08:54 AM

Men kissing on TV is hardly something new.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/171-1216121412-BushKissingSaudiPrince.jpg

Unspoken Demise

Nov 24, 2009, 08:54 AM

Your avatar made me think of something. Sunday's Top Gear could never air over here because people would make a big deal over a crudely drawn penis on someone's cheek.

It kinda looked like a fat shark to me...

davidwarren

Nov 24, 2009, 08:55 AM

My complaint is that it wasn't long enough and wasn't naked enough :D

I agree. Nobody wants to see two dudes kissing.

edesignuk

Nov 24, 2009, 08:55 AM

Your avatar made me think of something. Sunday's Top Gear could never air over here because people would make a big deal over a crudely drawn penis on someone's cheek.That's a great shame, because it was bloody funny :D

Unspoken Demise

Nov 24, 2009, 08:56 AM

I agree. Nobody wants to see two dudes kissing.

Except for, you know, gay guys...

yg17

Nov 24, 2009, 08:57 AM

I agree. Nobody wants to see two dudes kissing.

http://andrewstrading.com/main/catalog/images/24911.jpg

Use it.

That's a great shame, because it was bloody funny :D

Yes, it was a great episode. Thank god we have the internets or else I would never see it.

bruinsrme

Nov 24, 2009, 09:06 AM

Are Americans really so backward?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8375994.stm

OMG .004% of the population speaks volumes, must have been a slow news day in the UK.

I can't believe some people may have a non-accepting view on that, geeesh :rolleyes:

Gelfin

Nov 24, 2009, 09:29 AM

Oh, look, it's the PTC again, which means the good news is that approximately 1497 of those complaints were posted through the PTC patented EZ-Whinge™ website after they quickly posted a press release telling annoying busybodies everywhere what trivial nonsense they should be outraged about this week.

And yet they still only got 1500 responses. Admittedly this may be less an accurate gauge of public sentiment and more a reflection of how many people actually give a flying rat's ass about the American Music Awards.

Eraserhead

Nov 24, 2009, 09:50 AM

I agree. Nobody wants to see two dudes kissing.

Except for, you know, gay guys...

Or people who don't see why gay guys shouldn't be able to express themselves.

Noone would care if a heterosexual couple kissed on stage.

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 10:08 AM

I agree. Nobody wants to see two dudes kissing.

Speak for yourself. Me and your girlfriend do. :)

I haven't heard this Adam bloke sing before, is he any good?

If you like to gear a guy with a multi-octave voice sing glam rock, you''ll love him. I know I do.

Unspoken Demise

Nov 24, 2009, 10:10 AM

Or people who don't see why gay guys shouldn't be able to express themselves.

Noone would care if a heterosexual couple kissed on stage.

Are you referring to me, or the other guy? Because we (you and me) have the same point of view...

Speak for yourself. Me and your girlfriend do. :)
Oh, Lee. :D
Hell, Lee's pretty hot. I wouldnt object to seein' this fine man love who he wants to love. ;)

Eraserhead

Nov 24, 2009, 10:11 AM

Are you refering to me, or the other guy? Because we (you and me) have the same point of view...

More the other guy, I was adding to your point :).

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 10:17 AM

Oh, Lee. :D
Hell, Lee's pretty hot. I wouldnt object to seein' this fine man love who he wants to love. ;)

You and the ladies I work with. :) They're always trying to get me to make out with guys in front of them. Those girls are naughty.

Unspoken Demise

Nov 24, 2009, 10:20 AM

You and the ladies I work with. :) They're always trying to get me to make out with guys in front of them. Those girls are naughty.

Hehe, youre a good lookin' man. Its to be expected. and since I know you have quality taste in men, your partner, dare I say partners in kissing would be equally as attractive. No harm in 2 good lookin' guys kissing. The earth wont shatter.

But if it were ugly guys, no one wants to see that. :p

iBlue

Nov 24, 2009, 10:27 AM

^ Yup. The only time I disagree with public displays of affection is when the people are ugly. :o It's wrong and totally shallow of me but I like watching good looking people make out. Girls and guys alike. I'm an equal opportunity pervert.

hulugu

Nov 24, 2009, 10:28 AM

...But if it were ugly guys, no one wants to see that. :p

In the not-so-distant future:

US viewers complain over ugly kiss, others applaud act of the pretty-challenged.

Some viewers:

What's to see here but an ugly American Idol performer doing bottom of the barrel grotesque and ruining the American Music Awards. Not at all surprising that this spectacle was edited for West Coast and that ABC will have to answer for its unblocked live East Coast segment... Lambert is not only ugly, other American Idol performers have resorted to ugly spectacles due to their lack of real music talent...

Others, like the PTC, offered 'beer goggles' for its members citing that children need to be protected from seeing two ugly people kissing because, as one representative put it, "that's just gross."

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 10:30 AM

Hehe, youre a good lookin' man. Its to be expected. and since I know you have quality taste in men, your partner, dare I say partners in kissing would be equally as attractive. No harm in 2 good lookin' guys kissing. The earth wont shatter.

Aww! I'm blushing. :o

:rolleyes:

What's to see here but a failed American Idol performer doing bottom of the barrel grotesque and ruining the American Music Awards. Not at all surprising that this spectacle was edited for West Coast (http://www.freep.com/article/20091124/ENT07/911240345/1039/ENT04/Lambert-edited-for-West-Coast) and that ABC will have to answer for its unblocked live East Coast segment... Lambert is not alone here in desperation; other American Idol performers have resorted to ugly spectacles due to their lack of real music talent...

ABC doesn't have to answer for a damn thing. 1500 complaints? Big deal. You don't know much about media if you think they give a s*** about that. Ooohh- you 1500 hundred people sure are big and scary!

And hell- I'd do Lambert. He's hot. Throw in that blond he smooched and it's even better. ;)

From Lambert:

"It's a shame because I think that there's a double standard going on in the entertainment community right now," Lambert told Rolling Stone after the show. "Female performers have been doing this for years -- pushing the envelope about sexuality -- and the minute a man does it, everybody freaks out. We're in 2009; it's time to take risks, be a little more brave, time to open people's eyes, and if it offends them, then maybe I'm not for them."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/23/AR2009112301991.html

Hell yes! You go wit' yo bad self. :)

XNine

Nov 24, 2009, 10:36 AM

There's just too many people focusing on being negative ans spreading hate in this short life.

Of course, I would probably beat Adam Lambert to death with his own shows if I ever met him. I think it's his eyebrows...

But really, when are they going to release the IP address list to show that the majority of complaints came from the southern region of the US?

mactastic

Nov 24, 2009, 11:16 AM

And sooner or later someone will come in here complaining about this, and saying that it's not because they hate gay people, it's just that they don't like seeing anyone kiss on TV. And then you won't hear a peep from those folks until another gay kiss on TV, while thousands of hetro kisses occur in the meantime.

Happens every time...

Agreed. And if you don't like it, change the bloody channel. I don't know why that's such a hard concept for people to grasp. People with cable and satellite have eleven gazillion channels, there's bound to be something more appealing to their closed mind.
Exactly. People DIED for your freedom to change the channel. Use it, or lose it, I say...

Yeah, that would would make sense to a logical person, but to most...

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46791000/jpg/_46791100_adam_ap226b.jpg
That's two guys kissing?

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 11:20 AM

And sooner or later someone will come in here complaining about this, and saying that it's not because they hate gay people, it's just that they don't like seeing anyone kiss on TV. And then you won't hear a peep from those folks until another gay kiss on TV, while thousands of hetro kisses occur in the meantime.

Happens every time...

Just yesterday in another thread as a matter of fact.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=823155&page=5

Exactly. People DIED for your freedom to change the channel. Use it, or lose it, I say...

Yep.

That's two guys kissing?

They were about to. They hadn't yet.

abijnk

Nov 24, 2009, 11:34 AM

That's two guys kissing?

No, this is:
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/11/24/alg_singer_adam-lambert.jpg

I thought the Performance was great. That song is racy and sexy and the performance really fit it.

Lambert summed up the controversy really well himself. Link (http://www.showbizspy.com/article/195309/adam-lambert-wont-apologize-for-racy-ama-performance.html)

There’s a big double standard, female pop artists have been doing things provocative like that for years, and the fact that I’m a male, and I’ll be edited and discriminated against could be a problem.

People are scared and it’s really sad, I just wish people could open their minds up and enjoy things, it’s all for a laugh, it’s really not that big of a deal.

How many complaints were there about the fact that you could see Lady Gaga's nipples though her outfit at times, the line of women spanking each other and thrusting their hips at the crowd during Shakira's performance, or the fact that Rihanna was dressed in bondage?

It's a clear double standard and I applaud Adam for standing up against it.

I'm also writing this while I'm listening to his album, For You Entertainment, it's really good...

mactastic

Nov 24, 2009, 11:37 AM

They were about to. They hadn't yet.
Is 70's style androgyny making a comeback? Iggy would be so happy...

IntheNet

Nov 24, 2009, 11:44 AM

ABC doesn't have to answer for a damn thing. 1500 complaints? Big deal. You don't know much about media...

Since I don't typically watch these music award shows it is of small matter to me what an ex-American Idol does to sensationalize himself in lack of music talent... That said, if the behavior crossed the line, and from ABC's own acts to edit the West Coast feed it apparently was, these 1,500 complaints will fuel a boycott that hits ABC's sponsors and probably fuel an official FCC complaint. And that ABC pays attention to! After Kanye West's stupidity at the Grammy Awards against Taylor Swift, I think filming Lambert et al. with a live camera is asking for trouble... failed and desperate entertainers will do anything to gain notoriety...it's ABC's headache...

abijnk

Nov 24, 2009, 11:47 AM

OllyW

Nov 24, 2009, 11:48 AM

mactastic

Nov 24, 2009, 11:50 AM

failed and desperate entertainers will do anything to gain notoriety...
Sometimes they'll even cut and run from their job and write a book...

Zombie Acorn

Nov 24, 2009, 11:54 AM

didn't bugs bunney used to kiss elmer fudd all the time? :p

Also if America had any taste they wouldn't be watching the American music awards anyways.

hulugu

Nov 24, 2009, 11:54 AM

...

How many complaints were there about the fact that you could see Lady Gaga's nipples though her outfit at times, the line of women spanking each other and thrusting their hips at the crowd during Shakira's performance, or the fact that Rihanna was dressed in bondage?...

Wha'?

*totters off to find AMA video on the internet.*

yg17

Nov 24, 2009, 12:00 PM

Wha'?

*totters off to find AMA video on the internet.*

Can see my, can see my, yes you can see my T & A

bradl

Nov 24, 2009, 12:03 PM

Since I don't typically watch these music award shows it is of small matter to me what an ex-American Idol does to sensationalize himself in lack of music talent... That said, if the behavior crossed the line, and from ABC's own acts to edit the West Coast feed it apparently was, these 1,500 complaints will fuel a boycott that hits ABC's sponsors and probably fuel an official FCC complaint. And that ABC pays attention to! After Kanye West's stupidity at the Grammy Awards against Taylor Swift, I think filming Lambert et al. with a live camera is asking for trouble... failed and desperate entertainers will do anything to gain notoriety...it's ABC's headache...

And I still wonder where the hell all these people complaining were, when Terry Ferrell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadzia_Dax) was in the first televised lesbian kiss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_kiss_episode) back in 1995!!

3 more of those happened on that same series, and not a single person said a single word, and that happened 14 years ago.

Now you complain, especially when it's two guys, but you get your tighty whities in a bunch if two guys decide to do it.

Hyopcrites, the whole lot.

BL.

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 12:09 PM

Since I don't typically watch these music award shows it is of small matter to me what an ex-American Idol does to sensationalize himself in lack of music talent... That said, if the behavior crossed the line, and from ABC's own acts to edit the West Coast feed it apparently was, these 1,500 complaints will fuel a boycott that hits ABC's sponsors and probably fuel an official FCC complaint. And that ABC pays attention to! After Kanye West's stupidity at the Grammy Awards against Taylor Swift, I think filming Lambert et al. with a live camera is asking for trouble... failed and desperate entertainers will do anything to gain notoriety...it's ABC's headache...

Except ABC didn't edit anything:

Reports say ABC did not edit out any portions of the performance from the West Coast feed. And the network can't say they didn't see it coming. On Friday, Lambert was boasting about leather, chains and copious writhing to come, saying the same thing as he did Sunday night.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/23/AR2009112301991.html

ABC doesn't seem to be too upset about it. The only people who do are you and 1500 friends.

No1451

Nov 24, 2009, 12:10 PM

And sooner or later someone will come in here complaining about this, and saying that it's not because they hate gay people, it's just that they don't like seeing anyone kiss on TV.

I'm one of those, but a silent one, I don't much care for PDAs but meh, freedom and all that.

My biggest issue with all this is that he is way too effeminate for my tastes, I'm not gay but I don't like the girly androgynous look in the least.

@InTheNet: A tip to you, none of us care about your bigoted opinion.

MacNut

Nov 24, 2009, 12:10 PM

I am shocked that people still watch award shows. Arn't the AMA's just a cheap rip off of the Grammys?

Zombie Acorn

Nov 24, 2009, 12:13 PM

I shocked that people still watch award shows. Arn't the AMA's just a cheap rip off of the Grammys?

Basically a bunch of good looking talentless ass clowns competing.

mactastic

Nov 24, 2009, 12:14 PM

I'm one of those, but a silent one, I don't much care for PDAs but meh, freedom and all that.
Then you aren't "one of those". I don't care if you want to be offended by two men kissing. If it makes you uncomfortable, that's not a problem for me either.

You become "one of those" when you move from being offended to thinking that you have a right to not be offended, and that you will legislate your moral edicts.

bradl

Nov 24, 2009, 12:14 PM

I am shocked that people still watch award shows. Arn't the AMA's just a cheap rip off of the Grammys?

The Grammys are done by the RIAA, IIRC... The AMAs are owned by Dick Clark.

BL.

MacNut

Nov 24, 2009, 12:16 PM

The Grammys are done by the RIAA, IIRC... The AMAs are owned by Dick Clark.

BL.Again, a cheap rip off of the Grammys. What does the award mean. It isn't coming from the industry. It is about as useless as the MTV awards.

...ruining the American Music Awards.I think the show was ruined the second it started. I tuned in during Lady Gaga, (or I think that is who it was) and I didn't know what the hell she was doing. Clicked back over to football.

plinden

Nov 24, 2009, 12:18 PM

ABC doesn't seem to be too upset about it. The only people who do are you and 1500 friends.
Well, ABC seems to be upset now - http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/24/adam-lambert-concert-planned-for-good-morning-america-is-canceled/

I didn't have any idea who this singer was or any idea of the "controversy" but haven't we seen two dudes kissing on TV plenty of times already? Off hand, I can think of Battlestar Galactica, Torchwood and Will and Grace (my wife liked it)

MacNut

Nov 24, 2009, 12:22 PM

Well, ABC seems to be upset now - http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/24/adam-lambert-concert-planned-for-good-morning-america-is-canceled/

I didn't have any idea who this singer was or any idea of the "controversy" but haven't we seen two dudes kissing on TV plenty of times already? Off hand, I can think of Battlestar Galactica, Torchwood and Will and Grace (my wife liked it)The problem is networks don't have control over live TV. A sitcom they can preview first and decide wether it airs and can warn the viewer ahead of time. I bet if they knew this would happen they never would have allowed it on stage.

Don't forget, ABC is owned by Disney.

Zombie Acorn

Nov 24, 2009, 12:28 PM

I don't understand what the big deal is, most of these award shows have half naked women roaming the stage, etc other sexual type of stuff. Plus they have an "accidental" scandal every year to boost ratings... oh my I wonder whats going to happen next year, maybe someone will accidentally flash their vag.

plinden

Nov 24, 2009, 12:30 PM

The problem is networks don't have control over live TV. A sitcom they can preview first and decide wether it airs and can warn the viewer ahead of time. I bet if they knew this would happen they never would have allowed it on stage.

Don't forget, ABC is owned by Disney.

People need warnings before a music award show? I thought the only reason to watch them was to see what the performers would get up to. And what's Disney got to do with it?

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 12:30 PM

Here's one for Unspoken Demise and InTheNet.

Me kissing a very nice young man. No- I never got his name either! Oh my god! We're half naked too! The perversion of it all! :rolleyes::D

abijnk

Nov 24, 2009, 12:32 PM

Here's one for Unspoken Demise and InTheNet.

Me kissing a very nice young man. No- I never got his name either! Oh my god! The perversion of it all! :rolleyes::D

The shaved head look is so sexy. I can't wait until Chris's hair falls out enough to convince him to do it...

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 12:35 PM

The shaved head look is so sexy. I can't wait until Chris's hair falls out enough to convince him to do it...

Why thanks! I've loved it forever. I can't imagine ever having hair again. It just seems like so much work to me now.

Unspoken Demise

Nov 24, 2009, 12:36 PM

Here's one for Unspoken Demise and InTheNet.

Me kissing a very nice young man. No- I never got his name either! Oh my god! We're half naked too! The perversion of it all! :rolleyes::D

Thanks for making me seem like a pervert Lee. Haha

OH THE HOMANITY!!!!!

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 12:37 PM

Thanks for making me seem like a pervert Lee. Haha

OH THE HOMANITY!!!!!

Haha! That was awesome! Hey man- you requested, I delivered. :)

Unspoken Demise

Nov 24, 2009, 12:40 PM

Haha! That was awesome! Hey man- you requested, I delivered. :)

No, I said that i wouldnt mind seeing it happen, not for it to be delivered to me.

Stumbled upon, not forcefully fed. ;)

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 12:42 PM

No, I said that i wouldnt mind seeing it happen, not for it to be delivered to me.

Stumbled upon, not forcefully fed. ;)

I'm better when I'm aggressive. :)

plinden

Nov 24, 2009, 12:43 PM

Here's one for the anti-miscegenations among us, and some kitty porn. (Edit, I hope my wife never sees my Google search history)

Unspoken Demise

Nov 24, 2009, 12:46 PM

I'm better when I'm aggressive. :)
Oh I bet, you deviant you.
Here's one for the anti-miscegenations among us.

OH THE CATMANITY!

IntheNet

Nov 24, 2009, 12:52 PM

Clicked back over to football.

Wise words!

If this cheap exhibitionism characterizes subsequent AMA presentations, you can be sure Dick Clark Enterprises will address it. They don't want to lose market share and such displays irritate big-name sponsors who cater to the majority of traditional viewers, not the fringe lunatics.

yg17

Nov 24, 2009, 12:53 PM

Wise words!

If this cheap exhibitionism characterizes subsequent AMA presentations, you can be sure Dick Clark Enterprises will address it. They don't want to lose market share and such displays irritate big-name sponsors who cater to the majority of traditional viewers, not the fringe lunatics.

Given the fact there have been 1,500 complaints out of millions of viewers, I think the people complaining are the fringe lunatics :rolleyes:

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 12:55 PM

Wise words!

If this cheap exhibitionism characterizes subsequent AMA presentations, you can be sure Dick Clark Enterprises will address it. They don't want to lose market share and such displays irritate big-name sponsors who cater to the majority of traditional viewers, not the fringe lunatics.

You're still freaked out about two guys kissing? Wow. What is your problem?

Given the fact there have been 1,500 complaints out of millions of viewers, I think the people complaining are the fringe lunatics :rolleyes:

Thank you.

Techhie

Nov 24, 2009, 12:57 PM

Wise words!

If this cheap exhibitionism characterizes subsequent AMA presentations, you can be sure Dick Clark Enterprises will address it. They don't want to lose market share and such displays irritate big-name sponsors who cater to the majority of traditional viewers, not the fringe lunatics.

If only we could live in a world dominated by homophobic men desperate to prove their masculinity on an online forum.

Oh wait...:rolleyes:

abijnk

Nov 24, 2009, 01:03 PM

... majority of traditional viewers, not the fringe lunatics.

Hm... According to Mediaweek (http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_display/esearch/e3i6569d5f552ca05aa2beee646bd1f28c5) at 10:30, just before Lamberts performance, there were 13.03 million viewers. 1500 of those have complained. That is 0.00011512% of viewers. Who's fringe? :confused:

Zombie Acorn

Nov 24, 2009, 01:04 PM

Given the fact there have been 1,500 complaints out of millions of viewers, I think the people complaining are the fringe lunatics :rolleyes:

oh no, 10% of our US population is CRAZY! they want to get married and kiss on my tv. Lunacy I say.

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 01:09 PM

oh no, 10% of our US population is CRAZY! they want to get married and kiss on my tv. Lunacy I say.

Scary stuff! Don't forget they're commies too!

Techhie

Nov 24, 2009, 01:14 PM

Scary stuff! Don't forget they're commies too!

is this the point where we bag all logic and just start calling people "terrorists?"

Tell me, why do you hate freedom? :rolleyes:

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 01:16 PM

is this the point where we bag all logic and just start calling people "terrorists?"

Tell me, why do you hate freedom? :rolleyes:

Haha! Of course. I'm sure that's the next step.

Unspoken Demise

Nov 24, 2009, 01:18 PM

is this the point where we bag all logic and just start calling people "terrorists?"

Tell me, why do you hate freedom? :rolleyes:

I dont hate freedom!
You hate freedom!

FREEDOM HATER!

IntheNet

Nov 24, 2009, 01:48 PM

I think the people complaining are the fringe lunatics :rolleyes:

Good Morning America is hardly fringe...

Good Morning America Cancels Adam Lambert Concert
By Chris Ariens on Nov 24, 2009 11:11 AM
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/abc/good_morning_america_cancels_adam_lambert_concert_144103.asp
American Idol runner-up Adam Lambert won't be appearing on "Good Morning America" tomorrow.

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 01:51 PM

Good Morning America is hardly fringe...

Good Morning America Cancels Adam Lambert Concert
By Chris Ariens on Nov 24, 2009 11:11 AM
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/abc/good_morning_america_cancels_adam_lambert_concert_144103.asp
American Idol runner-up Adam Lambert won't be appearing on "Good Morning America" tomorrow.

They're Chickens***s. But also- how many Lambert fans would be watching during that time anyway? Most of us have work/school. I don't think housewives really care that much.

brad.c

Nov 24, 2009, 01:52 PM

If this cheap exhibitionism characterizes subsequent AMA presentations, you can be sure Dick Clark Enterprises will address it. They don't want to lose market share and such displays irritate big-name sponsors who cater to the majority of traditional viewers, not the fringe lunatics.

I'm surprised you could bring yourself to type that. Being a man and all.

yg17

Nov 24, 2009, 01:54 PM

Good Morning America is hardly fringe...

Good Morning America Cancels Adam Lambert Concert
By Chris Ariens on Nov 24, 2009 11:11 AM
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/abc/good_morning_america_cancels_adam_lambert_concert_144103.asp
American Idol runner-up Adam Lambert won't be appearing on "Good Morning America" tomorrow.

No, GMA is pandering to the fringe and should be ashamed of themselves.

And of course, you didn't quote the last line of that article :rolleyes:
Almost as quickly as GMA canceled Lambert, the CBS Early Show added him to the lineup. Lambert will discuss the controversial AMA appearance and will perform live tomorrow morning.

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 01:55 PM

No, GMA is pandering to the fringe and should be ashamed of themselves.

And of course, you didn't quote the last line of that article :rolleyes:

CBS doesn't seem to have a problem at all. Good for them.

abijnk

Nov 24, 2009, 01:55 PM

No, GMA is pandering to the fringe and should be ashamed of themselves.

And of course, you didn't quote the last line of that article :rolleyes:

Exactly. It's ABC's loss.

maestro55

Nov 24, 2009, 01:56 PM

Eh, I don't care that too men kissed on TV. But I had no idea who Adam Lambert was until this morning when he was trending topic on Twitter.

IntheNet

Nov 24, 2009, 01:59 PM

They're Chickens***s.

Perhaps.

But you can't deny that the push back has begun. And a lot of album sales to the teen market that this "artist" would have sold will now not take place because he alienated the mainstream... Larger stars like Mandonna and Bowie can do this sort of thing while a smaller star becomes labeled as a freak and his revenue stream dries up... If ABC won't carry his stuff nobody will.

yg17

Nov 24, 2009, 02:00 PM

If ABC won't carry his stuff nobody will.

Except CBS is :rolleyes:

Do you purposely skip facts that disprove your BS claims or do you simply just not read?

Zombie Acorn

Nov 24, 2009, 02:01 PM

Perhaps.

But you can't deny that the push back has begun. And a lot of album sales to the teen market that this "artist" would have sold will now not take place because he alienated the mainstream... Larger stars like Mandonna and Bowie can do this sort of thing while a smaller star becomes labeled as a freak and his revenue stream dries up... If ABC won't carry his stuff nobody will.

You have got to be joking, hes probably topped the news for today and lured in more customers than he knows what to do with now that he is "controversial", a better publicity stunt could not have been made for his career.

mactastic

Nov 24, 2009, 02:02 PM

If ABC won't carry his stuff nobody will.
Hello! CBS is.

So now you're in a position of trying to explain how ABC is "not fringe", while CBS is "fringe".

Good luck!

Unspoken Demise

Nov 24, 2009, 02:04 PM

Except CBS is :rolleyes:

Do you purposely skip facts that disprove your BS claims or do you simply just not read?

Readin' is fer freedom haters!

rdowns

Nov 24, 2009, 02:11 PM

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 02:16 PM

He has the #10 album on iTunes. :rolleyes:

I think I'll go buy a hard copy. :)

Unspoken Demise

Nov 24, 2009, 02:17 PM

I think I'll go buy a hard copy. :)

http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/supersmashbrosbrawl-luigi-doittome.jpg

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 02:20 PM

http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/supersmashbrosbrawl-luigi-doittome.jpg

Haha! That was too good. :)

This is also interesting:

IntheNet

Nov 24, 2009, 02:28 PM

He has the #10 album on iTunes. :rolleyes:

Right behind #9 She Wolf by Shakira (Deluxe Version)! And what's #1? Lady Ga Ga...

:rolleyes:

Some saving grace... Susan Boyle at #2...

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 02:29 PM

Right behind #9 She Wolf by Shakira (Deluxe Version)! And what's #1? Lady Ga Ga...

:rolleyes:

Some saving grace... Susan Boyle at #2...

And then this today:

mactastic

Nov 24, 2009, 02:29 PM

He has the #10 album on iTunes. :rolleyes:
Let's see if I got this right...

Sarah Palin sells 300,000 books, and this is proof that she is immensely popular, and speaks for a majority of Americans.

Adam Lambert has the #10 album on iTunes, and thus is part of some kind of shady "fringe" organization, a small minority of Americans.

Is that about right?

Unspoken Demise

Nov 24, 2009, 02:29 PM

Right behind #9 She Wolf by Shakira (Deluxe Version)! And what's #1? Lady Ga Ga...

:rolleyes:

Some saving grace... Susan Boyle at #2...

How many of your albums are in the top 10 in iTunes?

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 02:31 PM

He's also number 5 on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/music-rock-classical-pop-jazz/b/ref=sa_menu_mu1?ie=UTF8&node=5174&pf_rd_p=328655101&pf_rd_s=left-nav-1&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=507846&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0HXWEA1M1RYH8ZRSFJBP

Rampant.A.I.

Nov 24, 2009, 02:33 PM

Are Americans really so backward?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8375994.stm

The short answer is "Yes," they really are.

However, 1,500 complaints over a gay kiss, compared to the 500,000 complaints over Janet Jackson's nipple slip--which, by the way, was cited at the bottom of the article if you missed it--really isn't all that many.

abijnk

Nov 24, 2009, 02:34 PM

Let's see if I got this right...

Sarah Palin sells 300,000 books, and this is proof that she is immensely popular, and speaks for a majority of Americans.

Adam Lambert has the #10 album on iTunes, and thus is part of some kind of shady "fringe" organization, a small minority of Americans.

Is that about right?

You forgot that this means you hate America.

IntheNet

Nov 24, 2009, 02:34 PM

Is that about right?

Not really.

One is appealing to mainstream America and reaching #1 status in book publishing.

While the other is having his performance censored to West Coast audiences and his booking appearances on Good Morning America canceled.

See if you can spot the difference.

brad.c

Nov 24, 2009, 02:37 PM

One is appealing to mainstream America and reaching #1 status in book publishing.

Not appealing enough to win last fall, was she?

Gelfin

Nov 24, 2009, 02:37 PM

But you can't deny that the push back has begun.

First they ignore you. √
Then they laugh at you. √
Then they fight you. √
Then you win.

Nice.

abijnk

Nov 24, 2009, 02:38 PM

yg17

Nov 24, 2009, 02:39 PM

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 02:40 PM

Not really.

One is appealing to mainstream America and reaching #1 status in book publishing.

While the other is having his performance censored to West Coast audiences and his booking appearances on Good Morning America canceled.

See if you can spot the difference.

The west coast performance wasn't censored. I linked you to that earlier.

CBS picked him up after ABC.

He's selling a s***load of records- also linked to that.

70% of America thinks Sarah Palin is not qualified to be president as has been linked for you before as well. That's not mainstream appeal.

See if you can spot the difference.

abijnk

Nov 24, 2009, 02:41 PM

The west coast performance wasn't censored. I linked you to that earlier.

CBS picked him up after ABC.

He's selling a s***load of records- also linked to that.

70% of America thinks Sarah Palin is not qualified to be president as has been linked for you before as well. That's not mainstream appeal.

See if you can spot the difference.

http://z.about.com/d/pittsburgh/1/0/c/h/field_right.jpg

yg17

Nov 24, 2009, 02:42 PM

I'm confused, why the pictures of PNC Park? :confused:

brad.c

Nov 24, 2009, 02:43 PM

Way out in left field. vs not in left-field (right?). Although the left-right thing is ideologically confusing.. :)

yg17

Nov 24, 2009, 02:44 PM

Way out in left field. vs not in left-field (right?). Although the left-right thing is ideologically confusing.. :)

Ah, OK. Didn't think of that. I'm a moron ;)

Eraserhead

Nov 24, 2009, 02:44 PM

First they ignore you. √
Then they laugh at you. √
Then they fight you. √
Then you win.

Nice.

Except we're going backwards through that list ;).

abijnk

Nov 24, 2009, 02:45 PM

Way out in left field. vs not in left-field (right?). Although the left-right thing is ideologically confusing.. :)

Thank you. :)

mactastic

Nov 24, 2009, 02:45 PM

Eraserhead

Nov 24, 2009, 02:46 PM

70% of America thinks Sarah Palin is not qualified to be president as has been linked for you before as well. That's not mainstream appeal.

But 30% (or so) do, so sadly she does have a fair bit of mainstream appeal. Fortunately just not enough to be president.

rdowns

Nov 24, 2009, 02:47 PM

One is appealing to mainstream America and reaching #1 status in book publishing.

Are you kidding me? Look at where she is signing books. Mostly in small towns in places where McCain did well. She is avoiding mainstream America like the plague.

11/18: Grand Rapids, MI - Barnes & Noble, Woodland Mall, 3670 28th St SE, Kentwood, 7 PM

11/19: Fort Wayne, IN - Meijer - 10301 Maysville Rd, Fort Wayne
11/19: Noblesville, IN - Borders Books and Music, 13145 Levinson Lane, 7 PM

11/20: Cincinnati, OH - Joseph-Beth Booksellers, 2692 Madison Rd, Norwood, Noon
11/20: Columbus, OH

11/21: Washington, PA - Sam's Club, 80 Trinity Point Drive, South Strabane
11/21: Rochester, NY - Borders Books and Music, 1000 Hylan Drive, Henrietta, 7 PM

11/22: Roanoke, VA - Barnes & Noble, 4811 Valley View Blvd N NW, Valley View Mall 12 Noon,

11/23: Fort Bragg, NC - AAFES Post Exchange, Bldg. #8-5050 Butner Rd, North Post Mall
11/23: Birmingham, AL - Books-A-Million, 757 Brookwood Village, Birmingham, 7 PM

11/24: Jacksonville, FL - Books-A-Million, 1910 Wells Road, Orange Park, Noon
11/24: The Villages, FL - Barnes & Noble, 1055 Old Camp Road, Lake Sumter Mkt Sq, 4 PM

11/24: Orlando, FL - Barnes & Noble, Colonial Plaza, 2418 East Colonial Drive, 7PM

11/26 - 11/29: Thanksgiving Break

12/03: Fayetteville, AR - Sam's Club, 3081 North Highway 112 at I-540, exit 66

12/04: Dallas, TX - Legacy Books, 7300 Dallas Parkway, Plano, 11AM - 2 PM,

12/06: Sioux City, IA - Barnes & Noble, Southern Hills Mall, 4400 Sergeant Rd, 1PM
12/06: Sioux Falls, SD - Barnes & Noble, 3700 West 41st St, Sioux Falls, 5PM

12/07: Bloomington, MN - Barnes & Noble, 118 East Broadway Suite 238, Mall of America, 7 PM

TBA: Albuquerque, NM and other venues

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 03:00 PM

Are you kidding me? Look at where she is signing books. Mostly in small towns in places where McCain did well. She is avoiding mainstream America like the plague.

11/18: Grand Rapids, MI - Barnes & Noble, Woodland Mall, 3670 28th St SE, Kentwood, 7 PM

11/19: Fort Wayne, IN - Meijer - 10301 Maysville Rd, Fort Wayne
11/19: Noblesville, IN - Borders Books and Music, 13145 Levinson Lane, 7 PM

11/20: Cincinnati, OH - Joseph-Beth Booksellers, 2692 Madison Rd, Norwood, Noon
11/20: Columbus, OH

11/21: Washington, PA - Sam's Club, 80 Trinity Point Drive, South Strabane
11/21: Rochester, NY - Borders Books and Music, 1000 Hylan Drive, Henrietta, 7 PM

11/22: Roanoke, VA - Barnes & Noble, 4811 Valley View Blvd N NW, Valley View Mall 12 Noon,

11/23: Fort Bragg, NC - AAFES Post Exchange, Bldg. #8-5050 Butner Rd, North Post Mall
11/23: Birmingham, AL - Books-A-Million, 757 Brookwood Village, Birmingham, 7 PM

11/24: Jacksonville, FL - Books-A-Million, 1910 Wells Road, Orange Park, Noon
11/24: The Villages, FL - Barnes & Noble, 1055 Old Camp Road, Lake Sumter Mkt Sq, 4 PM

11/24: Orlando, FL - Barnes & Noble, Colonial Plaza, 2418 East Colonial Drive, 7PM

11/26 - 11/29: Thanksgiving Break

12/03: Fayetteville, AR - Sam's Club, 3081 North Highway 112 at I-540, exit 66

12/04: Dallas, TX - Legacy Books, 7300 Dallas Parkway, Plano, 11AM - 2 PM,

12/06: Sioux City, IA - Barnes & Noble, Southern Hills Mall, 4400 Sergeant Rd, 1PM
12/06: Sioux Falls, SD - Barnes & Noble, 3700 West 41st St, Sioux Falls, 5PM

12/07: Bloomington, MN - Barnes & Noble, 118 East Broadway Suite 238, Mall of America, 7 PM

TBA: Albuquerque, NM and other venues

That's kind of embarrassing and self-serving, isn't it?

yg17

Nov 24, 2009, 03:06 PM

That's kind of embarrassing and self-serving, isn't it?

I'd like to see her go to Chicago (for a book signing, not Oprah appearance :rolleyes:), New York, LA or DC. I guarantee you there would be more protestors than people wanting to get their stupid book signed.

It's easy to make it look like America supports you when you only go to areas of the country where there's a higher than normal concentraction of your supporters.

Zombie Acorn

Nov 24, 2009, 03:06 PM

That's kind of embarrassing and self-serving, isn't it?

Id rather go places where people are going to buy my book too.

rdowns

Nov 24, 2009, 03:08 PM

That's kind of embarrassing and self-serving, isn't it?

You betcha!

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 03:08 PM

Id rather go places where people are going to buy my book too.

I'd like to see her go to Chicago (for a book signing, not Oprah appearance :rolleyes:), New York, LA or DC. I guarantee you there would be more protestors than people wanting to get their stupid book signed.

It's easy to make it look like America supports you when you only go to areas of the country where there's a higher than normal concentraction of your supporters.

Protesters? Hell, I doubt she'd be able to get out of the airport.

IntheNet

Nov 24, 2009, 03:10 PM

Hell, I doubt she'd be able to get out of the airport.

Good old liberal tolerance for dissent huh leekohler? You're the party that's suppose to stand for tolerance and openness...

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 03:12 PM

Good old liberal tolerance for dissent huh leekohler? You're the party that's suppose to stand for tolerance and openness...

Not when someone is trying to take my rights away. That's not tolerance. That's stupidity.

I don't expect you to understand.

yg17

Nov 24, 2009, 03:12 PM

Good old liberal tolerance for dissent huh leekohler? You're the party that's suppose to stand for tolerance and openness...

So I suppose you're against the teabagging parties too?

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 03:15 PM

So I suppose you're against the teabagging parties too?

And I'm supposed to think it's OK for Sarah Palin to oppose equal rights for gays and work actively against it? Sorry- there's no tolerating that.

Speaking of hijacking threads InTheNet, I thought you didn't like that?

IntheNet

Nov 24, 2009, 03:31 PM

So I suppose you're against the teabagging parties too?

No I was for them and they were (and are) open and inclusive gatherings... And just to correct you, they are called Tea Parties and their supporters are Tea Party Advocates. I assume you use the derogative title there intentionally?

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 03:32 PM

yg17

Nov 24, 2009, 03:35 PM

No I was for them and they were (and are) open and inclusive gatherings... And just to correct you, they are called Tea Parties and their supporters are Tea Party Advocates. I assume you use the derogative title there intentionally?

No, it was them who first used the term teabagging.

And any Palin protest would be open and inclusive, we wouldn't kick anyone out if they agreed with our message.

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 03:37 PM

No, it was them who first used the term teabagging.

And any Palin protest would be open and inclusive, we wouldn't kick anyone out if they agreed with our message.

Can we please get back OT?

yg17

Nov 24, 2009, 03:39 PM

Can we please get back OT?

Sure, my bad.

I'd still like him to address the fact that Adam will be on CBS tomorrow (meaning he's not part of the fringe) but I think I'll be waiting awhile for that.

mactastic

Nov 24, 2009, 03:39 PM

And I'm supposed to think it's OK for Sarah Palin to oppose equal rights for gays and work actively against it? Sorry- there's no tolerating that.

Speaking of hijacking threads InTheNet, I thought you didn't like that?
Shhh... IOKIYAR...

IntheNet

Nov 24, 2009, 03:40 PM

No, it was them who first used the term teabagging.

I'm assuming you won't document that or provide proof.

And any Palin protest would be open and inclusive, we wouldn't kick anyone out if they agreed with our message.

Socialism 101... Abort a few babies and make it a lefty lib paradise!

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 03:41 PM

I'm assuming you won't document that or provide proof.

Socialism 101... Abort a few babies and make it a lefty lib paradise!

Get back on topic. Now you're just being ridiculous.

fridgeymonster3

Nov 24, 2009, 03:42 PM

Yes- America is that backward

Please don't lump me in with the other people in America. It's insulting saying we are all backwards. Generalizations can have that effect.

I don't expect you to understand.

Ahhh, the high road. Don't succumb to others and lower yourself to their level.

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 03:43 PM

Ahhh, the high road. Don't succumb to others and lower yourself to their level.

Allowing others to trample your rights is now considered tolerance? Sorry- not in this world or any other.

Please don't lump me in with the other people in America. It's insulting saying we are all backwards. Generalizations can have that effect.

You're right. But this does not do much for our image in the world.

VenusianSky

Nov 24, 2009, 03:46 PM

http://z.about.com/d/pittsburgh/1/0/a/h/field_left.jpg

Please don't post pictures of PNC Park. This is the time of year that we can forget that the Pittsburgh Pirates exist and call Pittsburgh the city of champions. You can continue post these pictures next spring. ;)

As for the topic, I don't watch awards shows. People should complain about that rather than two dudes kissing on TV. The networks could fill the time slot with something much more entertaining than awards shows.

mactastic

Nov 24, 2009, 03:46 PM

No I was for them and they were (and are) open and inclusive gatherings... And just to correct you, they are called Tea Parties and their supporters are Tea Party Advocates. I assume you use the derogative title there intentionally?
Huh? It's what they call themselves.

http://coloradoindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Picture-17.png

fridgeymonster3

Nov 24, 2009, 03:47 PM

Allowing others to trample your rights is now considered tolerance? Sorry- not in this world or any other.

I intentionally didn't mention tolerance because I don't tolerate a neighbor of mine who chooses to have the Confederate flag on his truck and two waving from the windows. If I don't tolerate his racism, then I can't be a hypocrite. But insulting another by saying that obviously they wouldn't understand isn't necessary.

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 03:49 PM

But insulting another by saying that obviously they wouldn't understand isn't necessary.

It wasn't meant to be an insult. It was a statement of fact. That poster has a history here.

brad.c

Nov 24, 2009, 03:49 PM

As Lee said, this is the topic.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/11/24/alg_singer_adam-lambert.jpg
mkay?

And this is for balance:
http://upc.edesignuk.com/uploads/gifs/brit_madonna_big.gif

abijnk

Nov 24, 2009, 03:51 PM

As Lee said, this is the topic:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/11/24/alg_singer_adam-lambert.jpgmkay?

As a heterosexual female I am still very much able to appreciate the beauty that is Adam Lambert. *sigh* I like this topic...

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 03:54 PM

As a heterosexual female I am still very much able to appreciate the beauty that is Adam Lambert. *sigh* I like this topic...

I like it too. :)

abijnk

Nov 24, 2009, 03:59 PM

I like it too. :)

You know, I actually heard someone on a talk show say that he has so many good looking features that he is actually kind of boring looking. Is that possible? :confused:

brad.c

Nov 24, 2009, 04:01 PM

You know, I actually heard someone on a talk show say that he has so many good looking features that he is actually kind of boring looking. Is that possible? :confused:

. http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0007WQH2G.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_V1118331709_.jpg
I would say so, but that's my straight opinion.

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 04:13 PM

You know, I actually heard someone on a talk show say that he has so many good looking features that he is actually kind of boring looking. Is that possible? :confused:

Ha! Interesting. I guess it depends on your tastes.

rdowns

Nov 24, 2009, 04:24 PM

hulugu

Nov 24, 2009, 04:29 PM

Hm... According to Mediaweek (http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_display/esearch/e3i6569d5f552ca05aa2beee646bd1f28c5) at 10:30, just before Lamberts performance, there were 13.03 million viewers. 1500 of those have complained. That is 0.00011512% of viewers. Who's fringe? :confused:

Remember, they're the silent majority.

Dont Hurt Me

Nov 24, 2009, 04:33 PM

And I still wonder where the hell all these people complaining were, when Terry Ferrell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadzia_Dax) was in the first televised lesbian kiss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_kiss_episode) back in 1995!!

3 more of those happened on that same series, and not a single person said a single word, and that happened 14 years ago.

Now you complain, especially when it's two guys, but you get your tighty whities in a bunch if two guys decide to do it.

Hyopcrites, the whole lot.

BL.Its ok for lesbians:D everyone likes that but two dudes:eek:

colourfastt

Nov 24, 2009, 04:35 PM

I don't wanna be teabagged by any of them.

Gelfin

Nov 24, 2009, 04:42 PM

You know, I actually heard someone on a talk show say that he has so many good looking features that he is actually kind of boring looking. Is that possible? :confused:

http://www.gossipcenter.com/files//celeb-gossip/images/photos/carrie-prejean-keeps.jpg

leomac08

Nov 24, 2009, 04:45 PM

ehhh..... i voted for allison iraheta on american idol cause she is freaking talented and hot!.......she was a way better singer....yet again that's my opinion....right.?:D:p

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 04:46 PM

ehhh..... i voted for allison iraheta on american idol cause she is freaking talented and hot!.......she was a way better singer....yet again that's my opinion....right.?:D:p

Actually, she was a different type of singer, not necessarily better. That said- those two had a great duet and should do more together.

leomac08

Nov 24, 2009, 04:52 PM

Actually, she was a different type of singer, not necessarily better. That said- those two had a great duet and should do more together.

well i think she was THE BEST FEMALE SINGER....and lambert no doubt was the BEST MALE singer.......i thought that they were both going to be the final 2:(.....but no.

imac/cheese

Nov 24, 2009, 04:54 PM

Are you kidding me? Look at where she is signing books. Mostly in small towns in places where McCain did well. She is avoiding mainstream America like the plague.

11/18: Grand Rapids, MI - Barnes & Noble, Woodland Mall, 3670 28th St SE, Kentwood, 7 PM

11/19: Fort Wayne, IN - Meijer - 10301 Maysville Rd, Fort Wayne
11/19: Noblesville, IN - Borders Books and Music, 13145 Levinson Lane, 7 PM

11/20: Cincinnati, OH - Joseph-Beth Booksellers, 2692 Madison Rd, Norwood, Noon
11/20: Columbus, OH

11/21: Washington, PA - Sam's Club, 80 Trinity Point Drive, South Strabane
11/21: Rochester, NY - Borders Books and Music, 1000 Hylan Drive, Henrietta, 7 PM

11/22: Roanoke, VA - Barnes & Noble, 4811 Valley View Blvd N NW, Valley View Mall 12 Noon,

11/23: Fort Bragg, NC - AAFES Post Exchange, Bldg. #8-5050 Butner Rd, North Post Mall
11/23: Birmingham, AL - Books-A-Million, 757 Brookwood Village, Birmingham, 7 PM

11/24: Jacksonville, FL - Books-A-Million, 1910 Wells Road, Orange Park, Noon
11/24: The Villages, FL - Barnes & Noble, 1055 Old Camp Road, Lake Sumter Mkt Sq, 4 PM

11/24: Orlando, FL - Barnes & Noble, Colonial Plaza, 2418 East Colonial Drive, 7PM

11/26 - 11/29: Thanksgiving Break

12/03: Fayetteville, AR - Sam's Club, 3081 North Highway 112 at I-540, exit 66

12/04: Dallas, TX - Legacy Books, 7300 Dallas Parkway, Plano, 11AM - 2 PM,

12/06: Sioux City, IA - Barnes & Noble, Southern Hills Mall, 4400 Sergeant Rd, 1PM
12/06: Sioux Falls, SD - Barnes & Noble, 3700 West 41st St, Sioux Falls, 5PM

12/07: Bloomington, MN - Barnes & Noble, 118 East Broadway Suite 238, Mall of America, 7 PM

TBA: Albuquerque, NM and other venues

That list is not really small towns. They are cities where she is more likely to sell books, but most of them are not small. Just out of curiousity, what do you consider mainstream America?

On topic, people who think Adam Lambert's kiss was immoral whilst thoroughly enjoying Lady Gaga and Shakira are simply being hypocritical. In addition, if they don't like what is being shown, turn off the TV.

leomac08

Nov 24, 2009, 04:55 PM

That list is not really small towns. They are cities where she is more likely to sell books, but most of them are not small. Just out of curiousity, what do you consider mainstream America?

On topic, people who think Adam Lambert's kiss was immoral whilst thoroughly enjoying Lady Gaga and Shakira are simply being hypocritical. In addition, if they don't like what is being shown, turn off the TV.

I DON'T SEE LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 04:57 PM

imac/cheese

Nov 24, 2009, 04:59 PM

I've been to a lot of those places- they're small. :)

You live in Chicago. To me they are almost all small to medium sized cities, except Dallas, which is huge.

Gelfin

Nov 24, 2009, 05:02 PM

You live in Chicago. To me they are almost all small to medium sized cities, except Dallas, which is huge.

That's just what Texans tell you. It's actually a stoplight and a mini-mart. ;)

…but I understand it is the biggest mini-mart on the planet. So they tell me.

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 05:04 PM

You live in Chicago. To me they are almost all small to medium sized cities, except Dallas, which is huge.

Dallas isn't even that big- a little over a million, which is a decent size. A lot of those places are around 50,000 people.

And you're right- it a matter of perspective.

Now let's get back OT. :)

synth3tik

Nov 24, 2009, 05:07 PM

I don't like watching anyone kiss on tv.

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 05:08 PM

I don't like watching anyone kiss on tv.

What a boring life you must lead. :)

IntheNet

Nov 24, 2009, 05:14 PM

On topic, people who think Adam Lambert's kiss was immoral...

Immoral for sure; but freakish certainly. As mentioned earlier, the lack of music talent, apparent from not winning American Idol, is compensated with a freak spectacle at AMA... but zombies are popular today... Good Morning America has the right response to this...

plinden

Nov 24, 2009, 05:16 PM

I don't like watching anyone kiss on tv.

My seven year old daughter has the same attitude. She covers her eyes and says yuck, whether it's male-female, male-male, female-female or Talaxian-Ocampan.

Queso

Nov 24, 2009, 05:17 PM

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 05:20 PM

Immoral for sure; but freakish certainly. As mentioned earlier, the lack of music talent, apparent from not winning American Idol, is compensated with a freak spectacle at AMA... but zombies are popular today... Good Morning America has the right response to this...

Umm...being #2 on American Idol is indeed a win. The guy was snapped up by a record company almost immediately and was also asked by Queen to replace Freddie Mercury. That doesn't happen to people without talent. Your dislike for homosexuals is obviously coloring your judgement. That should be clear at this point. And what is immoral about gay people?

And CBS picked him up. I doubt he's losing any sleep, or money, over ABC or you.

My seven year old daughter has the same attitude. She covers her eyes and says yuck, whether it's male-female, male-male, female-female or Talaxian-Ocampan.

Just wait til she's 11. ;)

fivepoint

Nov 24, 2009, 05:22 PM

abijnk

Nov 24, 2009, 05:23 PM

Immoral for sure; but freakish certainly. As mentioned earlier, the lack of music talent, apparent from not winning American Idol, is compensated with a freak spectacle at AMA... but zombies are popular today... Good Morning America has the right response to this...

Well, pop culture fail on your part. Jennifer Hudson didn't win American Idol and yet she has been very successful. Chris Daughtry didn't win either, and yet his first album has gone 4x platinum, selling over 4 million copies. Kellie Pickler also did not win American Idol, and yet she has had a number one hit as well. Clay Aiken, Josh Gracin, and David Archuleta have also had success despite not winning American Idol.

EDIT:
I'm glad his appearance on other TV shows are being canceled.

It was one cancellation from one TV show, and he was picked up by another before the news was even written.

Eraserhead

Nov 24, 2009, 05:24 PM

I'm glad his appearance on other TV shows are being canceled.

Except he's on CBS instead...

brad.c

Nov 24, 2009, 05:25 PM

I'm glad his appearance on other TV shows are being canceled.

That will help people forced to watch programs they find offensive.

http://www-tc.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/flashpoints/theater/images/clockwork_big.jpg

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 05:26 PM

The kiss isn't even news. I'd say the simulated fellatio with at least 1 guy and 1 girl on the other hand... was very offensive. Mr. Lambert has about 0% class... I'm glad his appearance on other TV shows are being canceled.

They haven't all been cancelled- only ABC. CBS snapped him right up.

Mr Lambert kicks a**. Ever listen to Bowie? The Stones? They've done all the same things, but I don't hear you bitching about them.

Rt&Dzine

Nov 24, 2009, 05:51 PM

fivepoint

Nov 24, 2009, 06:38 PM

They haven't all been cancelled- only ABC. CBS snapped him right up.

Mr Lambert kicks a**. Ever listen to Bowie? The Stones? They've done all the same things, but I don't hear you bitching about them.

Never said anything about his singing. I have a lot of respect for his voice and abilities... doesn't mean that I don't find him to be a shameful individual who apparently thinks simulating blow jobs on national television to be a positive thing.

What do YOU think about the simulated fellatio, Lee? Ok for TV?

TuffLuffJimmy

Nov 24, 2009, 06:55 PM

Never said anything about his singing. I have a lot of respect for his voice and abilities... doesn't mean that I don't find him to be a shameful individual who apparently thinks simulating blow jobs on national television to be a positive thing.

What do YOU think about the simulated fellatio, Lee? Ok for TV?

I'd say it's a lot better than the actual blowjobs some witnessed during the superbowl this year.

yg17

Nov 24, 2009, 06:56 PM

What do YOU think about the simulated fellatio, Lee? Ok for TV?

I can't speak for Lee, but I don't see the problem. The AMAs were rated TV-14. Anyone 14 or up should be able to see a simulated BJ and know what it is and not get offended by it. And if someone under 14 is watching it, well, then maybe their parents need to do some parenting and monitor what their kids watch on TV.

rdowns

Nov 24, 2009, 07:06 PM

Never said anything about his singing. I have a lot of respect for his voice and abilities... doesn't mean that I don't find him to be a shameful individual who apparently thinks simulating blow jobs on national television to be a positive thing.

What do YOU think about the simulated fellatio, Lee? Ok for TV?

Get with the program. Clinton made blow jobs cool again.

IntheNet

Nov 24, 2009, 07:09 PM

Clinton made blow jobs cool again.

:rolleyes:

Guess that's why he was impeached!

TuffLuffJimmy

Nov 24, 2009, 07:16 PM

:rolleyes:

Guess that's why he was impeached!

Yeah, how far did that go?

skunk

Nov 24, 2009, 07:21 PM

Yeah, how far did that go?Not all the way, apparently.

rdowns

Nov 24, 2009, 07:25 PM

:rolleyes:

Guess that's why he was impeached!

…and was acquitted by the Senate.

Yet again, you leave off the last part of that statement,you know, the ones that always prove you wrong.

TuffLuffJimmy

Nov 24, 2009, 07:25 PM

Not all the way, apparently.

Typical of the man. He can't finish a joint and he can't finish an impeachment.

bradl

Nov 24, 2009, 09:15 PM

:rolleyes:

Guess that's why he was impeached!

Wrong, yet again. He was impeached for lying under oath, not a BJ.

I don't need to mention the outlets you can fact-check this on.. but then again, since I'm still waiting on you to fact check everything I've told and showed you to be wrong on, I doubt it will ever happen.

BL.

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 09:21 PM

Never said anything about his singing. I have a lot of respect for his voice and abilities... doesn't mean that I don't find him to be a shameful individual who apparently thinks simulating blow jobs on national television to be a positive thing.

What do YOU think about the simulated fellatio, Lee? Ok for TV?

Completely OK. The show had a rating to begin with.

bradl

Nov 24, 2009, 09:31 PM

Completely OK. The show had a rating to begin with.

I'd love to see the look on fivepoint's, InTheNet's, and Full of Win's faces should they ever watch an episode of Queer as Folk, The L Word, or just about anything late on Logo. Would be funny to see how many chunks they'd blow.

And I still ask where they were back in 1995 when both Ezri and Jadzia Dax, and Kira Nerys did all of this on Star Trek. None of them said anything then, and were probably in the middle of shooting a couple off and egging it on when they did.

BL.

TuffLuffJimmy

Nov 24, 2009, 09:33 PM

leekohler

Nov 24, 2009, 09:36 PM

I'd love to see the look on fivepoint's, InTheNet's, and Full of Win's faces should they ever watch an episode of Queer as Folk, The L Word, or just about anything late on Logo. Would be funny to see how many chunks they'd blow.

And I still ask where they were back in 1995 when both Ezri and Jadzia Dax, and Kira Nerys did all of this on Star Trek. None of them said anything then, and were probably in the middle of shooting a couple off and egging it on when they did.

BL.

Rewatching QAF right now. It still spooks me how closely the character Brian and I's life reflected each other- the flaws and the strengths. Other than the mean streak, it was as if someone had documented my entire life as a gay man. It made me reevaluate everything.

They would be turned on by the L Word, but wouldn't admit it. Those ladies are hot.

Prof.

Nov 24, 2009, 09:41 PM

Why is this even a topic? This shouldn't be an issue.

Rampant.A.I.

Nov 25, 2009, 12:42 AM

:rolleyes:

Guess that's why he was impeached!

Pretty much. Conservatives can't stand someone getting a BJ while in office, as if no other president has ever gotten some on the side before.

But Bush giving sloppy policy head to every oil company he could find while in office, well, that was just fine. :rolleyes:

XNine

Nov 25, 2009, 12:57 AM

Ya know, as a hetero male, I don't get anything from seeing two guys kiss. Two females on the other hand is just insanely great to me. In fact, I think I'll venture to watch some XXX lesbian stuff right now. I'm not against two males kissing, or having a relationship sexual or otherwise, it just doesn't do anything for me. It's like seeing an overly large, 80 year old woman naked. Ok, maybe not like that at all because that's just disgusting, but it serves no purpose to my libido.

63dot

Nov 25, 2009, 01:22 AM

As a musician, and having watched Idol last season, I was disappointed because:

1) song was not good
2) singing wasn't up to Adam's level
3) choreography took away from the song

Adam's work on the cookie cutter Idol was much more impressive. And what of his 2012 theme song? That song is far better.

I just don't get this being his post-Idol live debut.

bradl

Nov 25, 2009, 01:57 AM

Rewatching QAF right now. It still spooks me how closely the character Brian and I's life reflected each other- the flaws and the strengths. Other than the mean streak, it was as if someone had documented my entire life as a gay man. It made me reevaluate everything.

They would be turned on by the L Word, but wouldn't admit it. Those ladies are hot.

Of course they would be turned on by the L Word. That's what makes them a bunch of smegging hypocrites, and they're two bloody manly enough to admit it.

Really makes you wonder how comfortable they really are with their own sexuality.

BL.

iBlue

Nov 25, 2009, 03:12 AM

...
You become "one of those" when you move from being offended to thinking that you have a right to not be offended, and that you will legislate your moral edicts.

I liked the way you stated this so I'm quoting it for posterity.

Here's one for Unspoken Demise and InTheNet.

Me kissing a very nice young man. No- I never got his name either! Oh my god! We're half naked too! The perversion of it all! :rolleyes::D

I've seen that photo. ;) I still think it's pretty damn hot and he definitely looks like a goer!

leekohler

Nov 25, 2009, 05:45 AM

I liked the way you stated this so I'm quoting it for posterity.

I've seen that photo. ;) I still think it's pretty damn hot and he definitely looks like a goer!

Thanks! I'll see what I can do in the future to get you more. :)

SactoGuy18

Nov 25, 2009, 06:27 AM

I have a question for all you folks outside the USA: do you see gay kissing on your national "over air" TV networks in your "prime time" hours (circa 7 pm to 11 pm or 1900 to 2300 hours local time).

Here in the USA, such scenes are fairly common on paid subscription networks such as HBO and Showtime. After all, Showtime has The "L" word TV series focusing on lesbian relationships.

Eraserhead

Nov 25, 2009, 06:39 AM

I have a question for all you folks outside the USA: do you see gay kissing on your national "over air" TV networks in your "prime time" hours (circa 7 pm to 11 pm or 1900 to 2300 hours local time).

See http://www.nickihastie.demon.co.uk/brooksid.htm from 1994, specifically:

Such censorship of lesbian sexuality is relevant to my discussion of Brookside because Margaret and Beth's kiss screened on 14 January was cut from the Saturday omnibus edition due to its earlier transmission time of 5.00pm and the alleged unsuitability of lesbian scenes for "family audiences". Ironically, this action may have helped TV producers to justify further representations of lesbian desire. Many viewers were prompted to contact Producer Mal Young over this censorship, resulting in 80 percent viewer support in favour of the kiss being shown. He told me that this support allowed him to screen a subsequent kiss "which was actually more sexual" between Beth and Chris, her university lecturer and present lover.

and more recently
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/may/28/eastenders-gay-love-affair
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jun/22/tv-ratings-eastenders-gay-kiss

that said we also had: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-9260.html where there were complaints. And the very conservative Daily Mail doesn't appear to have that big a problem with it: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1075617/Complaints-pour-BBC-EastEnders-screens-gay-kiss-watershed.html

Queso

Nov 25, 2009, 07:51 AM

I have a question for all you folks outside the USA: do you see gay kissing on your national "over air" TV networks in your "prime time" hours (circa 7 pm to 11 pm or 1900 to 2300 hours local time).

Here in the USA, such scenes are fairly common on paid subscription networks such as HBO and Showtime. After all, Showtime has The "L" word TV series focusing on lesbian relationships.
Colin and Justin (a TV presenter gay couple who do home makeover shows) kissed on the biggest free-to-air commercial channel* just last night, and unsurprisingly the sky failed to fall.

Mind you, remember that this is the country that produces Torchwood so it's pretty clear that nobody is at all phased with a bit of same-sex kissing. Everyone over the age of 12 that doesn't also live in Northern Ireland is quite cool with the idea.

*Yeah I know. I really shouldn't watch ITV1 ever, but that Kim one is funny ;)

iBlue

Nov 25, 2009, 07:55 AM

I have a question for all you folks outside the USA: do you see gay kissing on your national "over air" TV networks in your "prime time" hours (circa 7 pm to 11 pm or 1900 to 2300 hours local time).

Here in the USA, such scenes are fairly common on paid subscription networks such as HBO and Showtime. After all, Showtime has The "L" word TV series focusing on lesbian relationships.

Yes. Also we have shows with nudity (sometimes full frontal) and swearing, so long as it's after 9pm. Though I'm sure with the way Britain often imitates the worst aspects of America, those will be censored soon enough. :rolleyes: *sigh*

Queso

Nov 25, 2009, 07:58 AM

^^
Not going to happen. We have a long standing tradition of nudity in our TV and newspapers. If TV companies go prudish on us the public will actually start demanding more innuendo and filth :D

yg17

Nov 25, 2009, 07:59 AM

Yes. Also we have shows with nudity (sometimes full frontal) and swearing, so long as it's after 9pm. Though I'm sure with the way Britain often imitates the worst aspects of America, those will be censored soon enough. :rolleyes: *sigh*

I must've not watched enough TV after 9:00, or gotten the wrong impression from Eurotrip regarding nudity on TV in Europe, because I saw none of that when I was in London :( :D

iBlue

Nov 25, 2009, 08:05 AM

^^
Not going to happen. We have a long standing tradition of nudity in our TV and newspapers. If TV companies go prudish on us the public will actually start demanding more innuendo and filth :D
I really hope you're right. I LOVE television over here. :)

I must've not watched enough TV after 9:00, or gotten the wrong impression from Eurotrip regarding nudity on TV in Europe, because I saw none of that when I was in London :( :D

Ah, but Britain is the prudest of the European nations. It's still a lot more racy than what you get in the US by far. I think you may have simply been watching the wrong shows though because there is plenty of naughty to be found on TV but no one makes a big deal of it.

obeygiant

Nov 25, 2009, 08:13 AM

Lambert disinvited to perform on Good Morning America.

Adam Lambert’s scheduled appearance on ABC’s Good Morning America tomorrow has been canceled following his controversial performance at Sunday night’s American Music Awards, aired by the same network. An ABC spokesperson sent EW the following statement: “Given his controversial American Music Awards performance, we were concerned about airing a similar concert so early in the morning.”link (http://music-mix.ew.com/2009/11/24/adam-lamber-good-morning-america-canceled/)

I guess it was too early in the morning for unscheduled man-on-man kisses. Especially since they weren't providing any Scope or Listerine. :D

yg17

Nov 25, 2009, 08:23 AM

Lambert disinvited to perform on Good Morning America.

link (http://music-mix.ew.com/2009/11/24/adam-lamber-good-morning-america-canceled/)

I guess it was too early in the morning for unscheduled man-on-man kisses. Especially since they weren't providing any Scope or Listerine. :D

That was already mentioned. CBS picked him up for their morning show today before the articles about the ABC cancellation were even written.

leekohler

Nov 25, 2009, 08:44 AM

Lambert disinvited to perform on Good Morning America.

link (http://music-mix.ew.com/2009/11/24/adam-lamber-good-morning-america-canceled/)

I guess it was too early in the morning for unscheduled man-on-man kisses. Especially since they weren't providing any Scope or Listerine. :D

CBS picked him up immediately. We talked about this yesterday. You're late! :)

obeygiant

Nov 25, 2009, 09:08 AM

You're late! :)

Fabulously late! :eek:

leekohler

Nov 25, 2009, 09:13 AM

Fabulously late! :eek:

But not fashionably late. :)

brad.c

Nov 25, 2009, 09:32 AM

…Scope or Listerine. :D

I think we found our corporate sponsor.

leekohler

Nov 25, 2009, 09:52 AM

BTW- Lambert went from number 10 yesterday to number 5 today. Guess that AMA stunt really hurt his sales. :rolleyes:

rdowns

Nov 25, 2009, 09:55 AM

BTW- Lambert went form number 10 yesterday to number 5 today. Guess that AMA stunt really hurt his sales. :rolleyes:

Gotta love the irony that the complainers only serve to help sales of what they are protesting. :D

Peterkro

Nov 25, 2009, 09:57 AM

Gotta love the irony that the complainers only serve to help sales of what they are protesting. :D

I wouldn't put it past the singers PR people to be the complainers.

yg17

Nov 25, 2009, 10:06 AM

Gotta love the irony that the complainers only serve to help sales of what they are protesting. :D

It's so common that it has it's own name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Streisand_effect

abijnk

Nov 25, 2009, 10:43 AM

Here is the video from CBS (part of it at least). Link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/25/adam-lambert-controversy_n_370332.html) via HuffPo.

No apologies, good for you Adam!

chris200x9

Nov 25, 2009, 10:55 AM

I still can't believe 1500 people even watched that crappy singer...people amaze me...

abijnk

Nov 25, 2009, 10:56 AM

I still can't believe 1500 people even watched that crappy singer...people amaze me...

Actually it was more like 13+ million. ;)

chris200x9

Nov 25, 2009, 10:57 AM

Actually it was more like 13+ million. ;)

yes, I am saying 1500 people complained. I am shocked even THAT many watched it. :confused:

leekohler

Nov 25, 2009, 11:03 AM

yes, I am saying 1500 people complained. I am shocked even THAT many watched it. :confused:

I'm not. The guy's good and exciting. And we need more daring artists these days. Or have you not had enough of the Jack Johnsons and Stings of the world yet?

Here is the video from CBS (part of it at least). Link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/25/adam-lambert-controversy_n_370332.html) via HuffPo.

No apologies, good for you Adam!

Hell yeah! Rock on, Adam!

VenusianSky

Nov 25, 2009, 11:04 AM

Gotta love the irony that the complainers only serve to help sales of what they are protesting. :D

Just like Tipper Gore and the PMRC

63dot

Nov 25, 2009, 11:05 AM

BTW- Lambert went from number 10 yesterday to number 5 today. Guess that AMA stunt really hurt his sales. :rolleyes:

The guy has talent, and even though I don't like the high notes being overused, his stage presence is that of a star who will have several #1 hits and #1 CDs. Forget #5, he is going all the way to #1.

He really has what it takes, even this early, to become the singer for Queen. That would be a great resurgence of that band and introduce their music to a whole new generation of fans. While nobody can be exactly like the great Freddie Mercury, Adam is just as recognizable in person or on stage.

If Adam decides to be a solo artist, there are just a few male acts that can produce sales as consistently as him in the pop genre like Usher and Justin Timberlake. I think he can surpass Taylor Hicks overall, and possibly have sales that approach Clay Aiken or Ruben Studdard. But only time will tell.

If anybody had doubts as to American Idols ability to produce stars who actually sell songs in the long term, Adam has the best chance of being somebody we will all know about ten years from now.

fridgeymonster3

Nov 25, 2009, 11:11 AM

I'm not sure how Lambert's kiss became a forum for bashing Palin (not that I'm not all for it), but some of you need to check you facts.

I've been to a lot of those places- they're small, with the exception of Orlando and Dallas. :)

I have to say that I highly doubt this because of the following...

Dallas isn't even that big- a little over a million, which is a decent size. A lot of those places are around 50,000 people.

And you're right- it a matter of perspective.

I'm from LA which has more then a million more people then Chicago, but I don't view Chicago as small. Perspective isn't really an issue here, just an inane argument. Second of all, of the 19 cities listed above, only 3 have 50,000 people or fewer, while more then half have 200,000+ thousand and are in the top 3 or 4 most populous cities in their states. If you count for metro areas of these places, many top 500,000 - 750,000 people. Check your facts will you? You insist others do and this is just plain embarrassing.

abijnk

Nov 25, 2009, 11:16 AM

I'm not sure how Lambert's kiss became a forum for bashing Palin (not that I'm not all for it), but some of you need to check you facts.

I have to say that I highly doubt this because of the following...

I'm from LA which has more then a million more people then Chicago, but I don't view Chicago as small. Perspective isn't really an issue here, just an inane argument. Second of all, of the 19 cities listed above, only 3 have 50,000 people or fewer, while more then half have 200,000+ thousand and are in the top 3 or 4 most populous cities in their states. If you count for metro areas of these places, many top 500,000 - 750,000 people. Check your facts will you? You insist others do and this is just plain embarrassing.

*groan*

Please don't. We FINALLY got this thread back on topic and then screech here is goes again...

leekohler

Nov 25, 2009, 11:18 AM

I'm not sure how Lambert's kiss became a forum for bashing Palin (not that I'm not all for it), but some of you need to check you facts.

I have to say that I highly doubt this because of the following...

I'm from LA which has more then a million more people then Chicago, but I don't view Chicago as small. Perspective isn't really an issue here, just an inane argument. Second of all, of the 19 cities listed above, only 3 have 50,000 people or fewer, while more then half have 200,000+ thousand and are in the top 3 or 4 most populous cities in their states. If you count for metro areas of these places, many top 500,000 - 750,000 people. Check your facts will you? You insist others do and this is just plain embarrassing.

You think 200,000 is big? OK. I don't. And LA only became larger than Chicago after you guys annexed your suburbs. ;)

Now- care to stay OT?

*groan*

Please don't. We FINALLY got this thread back on topic and then screech here is goes again...

Apparently not.

63dot

Nov 25, 2009, 11:29 AM

You think 200,000 is big? OK. I don't. And LA only became larger than Chicago after you guys annexed your suburbs. ;)

Now- care to stay OT?

Apparently not.

Being from a town of 1800 people, y'all sound huge to me ;).

LA as a "city" is smaller than Chicago, but I remember when areas so far from downtown were added, places a hour and a half away with traffic.

Adding all those subs did make LA larger than Chicago in terms of population. LA is much more of a medium sized city surrounded by some huge suburbs, and smaller/rural ones at the farthest perimeters. When I hear about LA city budget issues and the apparent lack of money for adequate public transportation, I don't think merging with San Diego is the answer. This can happen and it's not a fiction as depicted in that Stallone/Bullock/Snipes movie that I want to forget.

I am glad that LA lost the bid to annex a lot of the the land near the Agoura Hills area swallowing up several cities there and levy a tax on them where my relatives live. That was a big fight some years ago and it never got off the ground. LA wanted the land, and the taxes but was not willing to extend public transportation there. The even more remote subs would be paying for downtown LA budget projects.

I don't doubt LA will eventually extend its city borders out one day all the way to Ventura County.

yg17

Jan 8, 2010, 10:27 PM

obeygiant

Jan 8, 2010, 11:18 PM

I hate bumping old threads, but The Smoking Gun got some of the FCC complaints filed by the enraged viewers, and they're an interesting read to say the least. It really shows how prude and homophobic this country is. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with people?

WARNING: STRONG LANGUAGE IN SOME COMPLAINTS, POSSIBLY NSFW!
(Perhaps the strong language just shows the hypocrisy of these people. They're bitching about indecent content by using words deemed indecent and banned from TV)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0107101lambert1.html

Did you read some of the complaint letters? I read about the first dozen or so. Some were funny and others had a pretty good point. They didn't appreciate having to watch with their under 12 yr old kids Lambert forcing another some dude's head in his crotch. But hey they're so god-damn prudish and homophobic it makes me vomit, right? Parents are just stupid not wanting their kids to see that.

Here (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0107101lambert17.html) is a complaint from a gay viewer.

Love

Jan 8, 2010, 11:31 PM

US viewers complain

I am so shocked and surprised. *gasp*

leekohler

Jan 9, 2010, 02:13 AM

Did you read some of the complaint letters? I read about the first dozen or so. Some were funny and others had a pretty good point. They didn't appreciate having to watch with their under 12 yr old kids Lambert forcing another some dude's head in his crotch. But hey they're so god-damn prudish and homophobic it makes me vomit, right? Parents are just stupid not wanting their kids to see that.

Here (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0107101lambert17.html) is a complaint from a gay viewer.

They don't seem to care when straight people do it. They also don't complain when it's two women (hello, Madonna and Britney, no huge uproar there).

So yeah, they're homophobic prudes.

bradl

Jan 9, 2010, 02:51 AM

obeygiant

Jan 9, 2010, 08:11 AM

They don't seem to care when straight people do it. They also don't complain when it's two women (hello, Madonna and Britney, no huge uproar there).

So yeah, they're homophobic prudes.

lol, yeah those damn kids and parents, such homophobic prudes.
In your mind there should be a difference between same sex kissing and what looked like forced oral sex and S&M. From the complaints it wasn't just the Lambert thing either, it was a list of the complainers said were "over-sexualized performances." The madonna/britney kiss stirred up some controversy and complaints as well, the main difference being that it was on a cable MTV and Lambert did it on primetime network television. Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction was also met with quite a few complaints.

As a gay person fighting for equal treatment in marriage do you really think a man grabbing men and women's asses and forcing others into his crotch is the best way to present your plight to the american public and children? Think of Ellen Degeneres, everyone knows she's gay, yet she has a huge following of parents AND kids who happily watch her everyday.

skunk

Jan 9, 2010, 09:05 AM

I don't understand how parents can let their little darlings watch this crap for the debased musicality, let alone the rampant and empty sexualisation.

yg17

Jan 9, 2010, 09:41 AM

Did you read some of the complaint letters? I read about the first dozen or so. Some were funny and others had a pretty good point. They didn't appreciate having to watch with their under 12 yr old kids Lambert forcing another some dude's head in his crotch. But hey they're so god-damn prudish and homophobic it makes me vomit, right? Parents are just stupid not wanting their kids to see that.

Here (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0107101lambert17.html) is a complaint from a gay viewer.

The AMAs were rated TV-14. If a parent let their younger-than-14 kid watch it, they have no one to blame but themselves. That is the entire point of TV ratings, and if a 14 year old can't watch that without getting offended, then it's about time they grow up.

dukebound85

Jan 9, 2010, 09:44 AM

The AMAs were rated TV-14. If a parent let their younger-than-14 kid watch it, they have no one to blame but themselves. That is the entire point of TV ratings, and if a 14 year old can't watch that without getting offended, then it's about time they grow up.

I am sure the Super Bowl was rated fairly young too (for viewers_ yet the Janet Jackson thing happened to people's distaste

leekohler

Jan 9, 2010, 10:48 AM

I am sure the Super Bowl was rated fairly young too (for viewers_ yet the Janet Jackson thing happened to people's distaste

First of all, that was a mistake. Second, what kid has never seen a boob?

skunk

Jan 9, 2010, 11:47 AM

First of all, that was a mistake.And I'm a Dutchman.

MacNut

Jan 9, 2010, 11:51 AM

First of all, that was a mistake. Second, what kid has never seen a boob?That was planned from the start. Why else was she wearing a pasty.

IntheNet

Jan 9, 2010, 11:52 AM

I don't understand how parents can let their little darlings watch this crap...

Newer televisions have a v-chip (http://www.fcc.gov/vchip/) for a reason; but it is the responsibility of parents to monitor youth to be sure such obscenity is not part of their intake. Further, if the stations broadcast immorality you can call the FCC and document it, or penalize the station's advertisers by bringing the incident of filth or immorality to their attention and/or boycott the station's sponsors with a letter telling them why.

MacNut

Jan 9, 2010, 11:55 AM

Newer televisions have a v-chip (http://www.fcc.gov/vchip/) for a reason; but it is the responsibility of parents to monitor youth to be sure such obscenity is not part of their intake. Further, if the stations broadcast immorality you can call the FCC and document it, or penalize the station's advertisers by bringing the incident of filth or immorality to their attention and/or boycott the station's sponsors with a letter telling them why.The v-chip can't censor live material. That is where the uproar came from. It is more in bad taste then anything obscene.

What we call filth and immoral are just normal viewing in most parts of the world. We are the ones with a stick up our butt when it comes to censorship.

dukebound85

Jan 9, 2010, 11:56 AM

The v-chip can't censor live material. That is where the uproar came from. It is more in bad taste then anything obscene.

I believe the superbowl has a small lag at parts now correct? in order to catch all stuff if it happends and censor if need be

MacNut

Jan 9, 2010, 11:58 AM

I believe the superbowl has a small lag at parts now correct? in order to catch all stuff if it happends and censor if need beMaybe halftime but networks don't have to censor sporting events.

IntheNet

Jan 9, 2010, 12:00 PM

The v-chip can't censor live material. That is where the uproar came from. It is more in bad taste then anything obscene.

Ah... my mistake... then parents are responsible in the end, even for "accidental" airings of filth. Moreover, I feel that if network "live feeds" air this obscenity then they (the networks) should be heavily fined and/or put out of business - no questions asked. Far too much filth on air; we got rid of our tele for just this point (that and the cable bill excess)...

MacNut

Jan 9, 2010, 12:04 PM

Ah... my mistake... then parents are responsible in the end, even for "accidental" airings of filth. Moreover, I feel that if network "live feeds" air this obscenity then they (the networks) should be heavily fined and/or put out of business - no questions asked. Far too much filth on air; we got rid of our tele for just this point...Why should the networks be fined, they can't control the acts on stage. As for filth on the air, I think we are too prudish in what we show.

IntheNet

Jan 9, 2010, 12:09 PM

Why should the networks be fined, they can't control the acts on stage...

I may be wrong but I believe the FCC holds them responsible for their content, regardless of whether it is an act on stage or not. Perhaps a tape delay would work, or a ban on live content if acts can control the filth elements. If it's broadcast during family time and they still show filth, even by accident, then it's heavy fine time against network or yank their operating license...

yg17

Jan 9, 2010, 12:09 PM

Any young kid who saw this saw it because of the failings of their parents. TV Ratings and V-chips exist so kids do not see this sort of thing. This is in no way the network's fault, and if you're an adult who is bothered by this, pull the stick out of your ass and stop being so prudish.

BTW, there was absolutely nothing immoral about this. Just because the 2,000 year old book you cling to so dearly says it's immoral does not make it so.

MacNut

Jan 9, 2010, 12:12 PM

I may be wrong but I believe the FCC holds them responsible for their content, regardless of whether it is an act on stage or not. Perhaps a tape delay would work, or a ban on live content if acts can control the filth elements. If it's broadcast during family time and they still show filth, even by accident, then it's heavy fine time against network or yank their operating license...Family time ends at 10pm so what time did this occur.

leekohler

Jan 9, 2010, 12:15 PM

Why should the networks be fined, they can't control the acts on stage. As for filth on the air, I think we are too prudish in what we show.

There's nothing filthy about two guys kissing. And I don't know where you live, but "family time" here ends at 9.

dukebound85

Jan 9, 2010, 12:17 PM

BTW, there was absolutely nothing immoral about this. Just because the 2,000 year old book you cling to so dearly says it's immoral does not make it so.

My issue doesnt have morality as a factor. Just that the network showed an unexpectant action for an event that it was not expected (like the superbowl)

As such, I can see where some would complain

leekohler

Jan 9, 2010, 12:18 PM

My issue doesnt have morality as a factor. Just that the network showed an unexpectant action for an event that it was not expected (like the superbowl)

As such, I can see where some would complain

So what if a few people complain? That's what ratings are for. This wasn't a lot of complaints either. It was minor.

MacNut

Jan 9, 2010, 12:19 PM

There's nothing filthy about two guys kissing. And I don't know where you live, but "family time" here ends at 9.Are you in central time?

leekohler

Jan 9, 2010, 12:22 PM

Are you in central time?

Yep.

lol, yeah those damn kids and parents, such homophobic prudes.
In your mind there should be a difference between same sex kissing and what looked like forced oral sex and S&M. From the complaints it wasn't just the Lambert thing either, it was a list of the complainers said were "over-sexualized performances." The madonna/britney kiss stirred up some controversy and complaints as well, the main difference being that it was on a cable MTV and Lambert did it on primetime network television. Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction was also met with quite a few complaints.

As a gay person fighting for equal treatment in marriage do you really think a man grabbing men and women's asses and forcing others into his crotch is the best way to present your plight to the american public and children? Think of Ellen Degeneres, everyone knows she's gay, yet she has a huge following of parents AND kids who happily watch her everyday.

The show was rated TV 14! If some parent was watching it with kids 12 and under, that's their damn fault! Parents can turn off a TV. The warning was there, they chose to ignore it.