New York, New York, got to love those liberals.

[Shivetya]

http://volokh.com/2009/11/24/new-york-court-of-appeals-upholds-atlantic-yards-condemnations/#comments


The New York Court of Appeals has issued its opinion in Goldstein v. New York State Urban Development Corporation, an important property rights case. The 6–1 decision upholds the condemnation of numerous properties in the Atlantic Yards area for the purpose of transferring them to powerful developer Bruce Ratner, who plans to use most of the land to build a new stadium for the New Jersey Nets and to construct “luxury” housing. This outcome is not surprising. As I explained in this post, where I predicted the result, New York courts are among the most hostile to property rights of any in the country. New York is also one of only seven states that hasn’t enacted eminent domain reform of any kind since the federal Supreme Court’s controversial 2005 decision upholding “economic development” condemnations in Kelo v. City of New London.

There are homes in that "blighted" area that cost SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. Just another example of how politicians look out only for those who can line their campaign coffers with real money. While they may talk about the value of Main Street and everyday people your value is simply a vote one day each two to four years.

If you live in New York your home falls under the definition of blight as the definition is so broad to encompass anyone who basically is not a friend of the local politicians or mega rich campaign donors.

[Queso]

Six hundred thousand dollars isn't expensive for a home in a major urban area. Houses on my street go for upwards of £2 million.

[leekohler]

This has nothing to do with liberals. This is a universal problem both parties abhor. We fought eminent domain in my neighborhood and won-liberal and conservatives together. This isn't a black and white issue. Get over yourself, and please try to start a thread without an inflammatory title for once on your life.

[Eraserhead]

Six hundred thousand dollars isn't expensive for a home in a major urban area. Houses on my street go for upwards of £2 million.

You do live in a rather nice part of London then ;). And London is ridiculously expensive to live in.

[Queso]

You do live in a rather nice part of London then ;). And London is ridiculously expensive to live in.
Totally agreed on both points :D

The point I'm making though is that a run down shack on my street would be worth more than £600k just because of the location, so you can't equate the value of the property with the wealth of the owners.

[edesignuk]

Wait...what have liberals [specifically] got to do with greed and inflated property prices?

[Queso]

Wait...what have liberals [specifically] got to do with greed and inflated property prices?
Because of Clinton, dummy :p

(No, I know it makes no sense whatsoever, but it helps certain people retain their world view :D)

[rdowns]

I really don't see how this is a Democratic or Republican issue. But since you seem to think so, you should know that of the 7 judges on the Court of Appeals, 4 were appointed by George Pataki, a Republican. Cuomo, Spitzer and Paterson have each appointed 1.

[SactoGuy18]

People forget that the Atlantic Yards area is already pretty run-down to start with and ANY major development to revive the area would be welcome. I think it's just a bunch of local landowners with sour grape attitudes that realize they didn't propose the idea first and will lose out on the benefits.

Here in Sacramento, CA, a local landowner fought for YEARS any major redevelopment of K Street Mall, something that should have been done at least 15 years ago. If they had completed the redevelopment project back in 1994, K Street mall today would be a very vibrant area full of revived shops--just like what happened to Times Square in New York City during its spectacular revival in the 1990's.

[IntheNet]

The New York Court of Appeals has issued its opinion in Goldstein v. New York State Urban Development Corporation, an important property rights case. The 6–1 decision upholds the condemnation of numerous properties in the Atlantic Yards area for the purpose of transferring them to powerful developer Bruce Ratner, who plans to use most of the land to build a new stadium for the New Jersey Nets and to construct “luxury” housing. This outcome is not surprising. As I explained in this post, where I predicted the result, New York courts are among the most hostile to property rights of any in the country. New York is also one of only seven states that hasn’t enacted eminent domain reform of any kind since the federal Supreme Court’s controversial 2005 decision upholding “economic development” condemnations in Kelo v. City of New London...

Shivetya: Thanks for your post... We've seen this before from the lefty libs... but this case is symptomatic of the Deep Democrat Dump on citizens! Imagine... Democrats condemning an area, evicting its citizens and homes, all so developer contributes to Democrats! Then Developer decides not to develop! The Supreme Court too is guilty here... Take Away: Democrats Bad For Citizens. . We've seen this before from the lefty libs..

[edesignuk]

^ You two should get together and have babies.

[Eraserhead]

^ You two should get together and have babies.

If they're both men, wouldn't they have to adopt? I suppose surrogacy is always an option ;).

[edesignuk]

If they're both men, wouldn't they have to adopt? I suppose surrogacy is always an option ;).I think the two of them could try, I'm certain they're all for a bit of man love.

[rdowns]

Shivetya: Thanks for your post... We've seen this before from the lefty libs... but this case is symptomatic of the Deep Democrat Dump on citizens! Imagine... Democrats condemning an area, evicting its citizens and homes, all so developer contributes to Democrats! Then Developer decides not to develop! The Supreme Court too is guilty here... Take Away: Democrats Bad For Citizens. . We've seen this before from the lefty libs..

Once again, how is this a Democratic issue? A majority of the courts judges were appointed by Republican George Pataki, aka Al Damato's lap dog.

[yg17]

Shivetya: Thanks for your post... We've seen this before from the lefty libs... but this case is symptomatic of the Deep Democrat Dump on citizens! Imagine... Democrats condemning an area, evicting its citizens and homes, all so developer contributes to Democrats! Then Developer decides not to develop! The Supreme Court too is guilty here... Take Away: Democrats Bad For Citizens. . We've seen this before from the lefty libs..

You didn't even read any body else's reply. You just saw this inflammatory thread title, hit the reply button, and contributed your own inflammatory liberal bashing comments.

[iBlue]

If they're both men, wouldn't they have to adopt? I suppose surrogacy is always an option ;).

Sounds like surrogacy would be somewhat fitting for people who think of women as nothing more than a walking uterus for them to seek control over.

[IntheNet]

Once again, how is this a Democratic issue?

:rolleyes:

Rather than me answering that directly, why don't you carefully research developer Bruce Ratner's payoffs to local Democrats, his pie-in-the-sky plans, fanned by Dems, to develop area with baseball yards and construct fancy housing, the tacit Dem support of eminent domain here in Atlantic Yards where it was not applicable, and what happened in the end....

You just saw this inflammatory thread title, hit the reply button, and contributed your own inflammatory liberal bashing comments.

I actually think the title is rather precise. You would too if you investigated this story rather than simply condemned me for expressing a viewpoint on it. Go ahead... you can do it... research the topic... do yourself a favor...Here's the link again...

http://volokh.com/2009/11/24/new-yor...ions/#comments

Re-read Shivetya's initial post too.

[edesignuk]

:rolleyes:

Rather than me answering that directly, why don't you carefully research developer Bruce Ratner's payoffs to local Democrats, his pie-in-the-sky plans, fanned by Dems, to develop area with baseball yards and construct fancy housing, the tacit Dem support of eminent domain here in Atlantic Yards where it was not applicable, and what happened in the end...I wouldn't argue for a minute that there aren't corrupt Dems, they're politicians, they're all dodgy. If the Republicans were squeaky clean you might have a point, but since they're not, you don't.

[Don't panic]

There are homes in that "blighted" area that cost SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. Just another example of how politicians look out only for those who can line their campaign coffers with real money. While they may talk about the value of Main Street and everyday people your value is simply a vote one day each two to four years.

If you live in New York your home falls under the definition of blight as the definition is so broad to encompass anyone who basically is not a friend of the local politicians or mega rich campaign donors.

Actually, there are homes that are worth well more than that, easily in the multimillion range.
i don't particularly approve of the development plan, for a number of reasons, but to characterize this as a democratic/liberal coup is disingenuous at best and a blatant lie at worst.
indeed the major opponents of the projects, which is broadly seen as a pataki legacy, are dems. that said, many dems also support it, but this pretty much independent of party lines.

so, if you were a honest person you'd change the title to something more akin to reality and less obviously trollish, but i won't hold my breath for that.

[Eraserhead]

If the Republicans were squeaky clean you might have a point, but since they're not, you don't.

In Fox News land the Republicans are much cleaner than Democrats, as when they get caught doing something wrong their party affiliation changes ;).

[Shivetya]

This has nothing to do with liberals. This is a universal problem both parties abhor. We fought eminent domain in my neighborhood and won-liberal and conservatives together. This isn't a black and white issue. Get over yourself, and please try to start a thread without an inflammatory title for once on your life.

I forgot, inflammatory titles are not permitted unless bashing Christians, I will refrain from posting such titles against protected groups on this forum. :rolleyes:

[splitpea]

Most "New York liberals" I know are disgusted by this sort of corporate welfare, not in favor of it. There's a reason a similar plan for a stadium on the far West Side of Manhattan completely flopped. This is the one area in which Mayor Bloomberg has really disappointed over the past 8 years.

[leekohler]

I forgot, inflammatory titles are not permitted unless bashing Christians, I will refrain from posting such titles against protected groups on this forum. :rolleyes:

Hey- your thread title has nothing to do with reality. Have you guys forgotten that a conservative Supreme Court ruled this use of eminent domain was OK? Stop and open your eyes for a minute before you post stupid titles like this. This could have been a good discussion about eminent domain, which is everyone's problem. Instead, you decided to try to make it a partisan issue.

[Queso]

I forgot, inflammatory titles are not permitted unless bashing Christians, I will refrain from posting such titles against protected groups on this forum. :rolleyes:
The difference is that in general, threads bashing Christians are in response to some idiots doing idiotic things in the name of Christianity. There is nothing in your example above of people doing anything in the name of Liberalism. The only link between the events and Liberals is in your own head.

So if you wish to stop Christian-bashing thread, stop those on the fringe of Christianity from assuming they speak for all Christians when they launch their fringe politics actions.

[djellison]

I forgot, inflammatory titles:

This is not just an inflammatory title - it's intentionally, wilfully and knowingly wrong. It's a fabrication.

Or as most people would call it...

lying.

[aquajet]

It's unfortunate that it seems everyone is on the same side of the issue presented in this thread, yet still can't get away from petulant bickering. Democrats catering to big business is nothing new. The Republican and Democratic parties both suck.

We need a third party composed of working people, working towards the interests of working people.

[leekohler]

It's unfortunate that it seems everyone is on the same side of the issue presented in this thread, yet still can't get away from petulant bickering. Democrats catering to big business is nothing new. The Republican and Democratic parties both suck.

It would also be nice if people could start threads with honest titles. I think lying in a thread title should get people a Time Out.

We need a third party composed of working people, working towards the interests of working people.

Agreed.

[Gelfin]

Man, the toilet seat was just cold as ice today. ********in' liberals.

[Eraserhead]

I think as long as the people concerned were paid for their property at/above the fair market value that this seems to be OK.

[leekohler]

I think as long as the people concerned were paid for their property at/above the fair market value that this seems to be OK.

It's NOT OK. Taking people's property for the purpose of giving it to private developers is NOT OK. Not in this country, and not in my city. I'll fight that BS to the death.

[Eraserhead]

It's NOT OK. Taking people's property for the purpose of giving it to private developers is NOT OK. Not in this country, and not in my city. I'll fight that BS to the death.

Thinking about it some more, what about the land he's using for the stadium? I see your point on the "luxury housing" projects.

[leekohler]

Thinking about it some more, what about the land he's using for the stadium? I see your point on the "luxury housing" projects.

Public works projects such as roads, trains etc. are fine and understandable. The stadium idea sucks too.

[beatzfreak]

:rolleyes:

Rather than me answering that directly, why don't you carefully research developer Bruce Ratner's payoffs to local Democrats, his pie-in-the-sky plans, fanned by Dems, to develop area with baseball yards and construct fancy housing, the tacit Dem support of eminent domain here in Atlantic Yards where it was not applicable, and what happened in the end....



I actually think the title is rather precise. You would too if you investigated this story rather than simply condemned me for expressing a viewpoint on it. Go ahead... you can do it... research the topic... do yourself a favor...Here's the link again...

http://volokh.com/2009/11/24/new-yor...ions/#comments

Re-read Shivetya's initial post too.

Your link is broken. There is nothing in the OP's link to substantiate your claims of payoffs to local democratic politicians. Until you do, I'm going to assume you have no idea what you're talking about especially since you can't even get the sport right. It's a basketball arena, not baseball.

The defendant in this case is the Empire State Development Corporation. It's a State agency run out of Albany far away from Atlantic Yards.

The ESDC website has little actual information about how it works. Mainly it has information on doing business in NY State, which is a fine and helpful thing but seems to have gotten away from its main mission of dealing with subsidized housing. It says nothing about how the people who review things are chosen.

I finally dug up a PDF talking about the state budget that gives more info. It largely confirms the simple answer I was ready to give the person who asked the question in my previous diary: blame the Governor and Republican-led State Senate. Here are some excerpts:


The Empire State Development Corporation (ESDC) — formerly the Urban Development Corporation (UDC) — is a New York State public benefit corporation. It engages in four principal activities: economic and real estate development; State facility financing; housing
portfolio maintenance; and privatization initiatives.

ECONOMIC AND REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT
The Corporation provides financial and technical assistance to businesses, local governments and community-based not-for-profit corporations for economic development and large-scale real estateprojects that create and/or retain jobs and reinvigoratedistressed areas...

The Corporation is governed by a nine-member Board of Directors comprising two ex-officio members and seven members appointed by the Governor with the consent of the
Senate. The Chair of the Empire State Development Corporation Board is selected by the Governor and also serves as the Commissioner of EconomicDevelopment. Boardmembers serve without compensation.

So the ESDC is largely appointed by Pataki who is a law school buddy of Ratner's. For citzens to have any say they need to focus on the Governor and State Senate in particular for both lobbying and when supporting candidates for office.

LINK (http://www.dailygotham.com/blog/mole333/the_empire_state_development_corporation_who_are_they)

[benlee]

Man, the toilet seat was just cold as ice today. ********in' liberals.

Oh that is great! You must be a republican, because no liberal could be that funny--too busy doing liberal socialist hippie activities.

[leekohler]

They tried this BS in my neighborhood and we didn't put up with it. The neighborhood got together and stormed the alderman's office. He threatened to have us all arrested. That took nerve! We elect him! He backed down very quickly.

They were going to wipe out local family businesses and put up condos. They offered the business owners money for their property, but not their businesses. These people are our neighbors. I don't know what the alderman thought he was going to get away with.

[IntheNet]

It's a basketball arena, not baseball.

:rolleyes:

Oh my... that truly excuses the liberal Democrats from payoff and fraud blame here entirely... our humble thanks to your tremendous investigative skills... Now perhaps you apply such A+1 blameshift skills to the Titanic disaster and shift the iceberg's complicity...

[leekohler]

:rolleyes:

Oh my... that truly excuses the liberal Democrats from payoff and fraud blame here entirely... our humble thanks to your tremendous investigative skills... Now perhaps you apply such A+1 blameshift skills to the Titanic disaster and shift the iceberg's complicity...

Start paying attention or get the hell out here. I'm sick of your crap. This is not a partisan issue, and if anyone is to blame, it's conservatives. Of course, you and Shivetya would know that if you could be bothered to read or pay attention to any facts at all.

[Eraserhead]

:rolleyes:

Oh my... that truly excuses the liberal Democrats from payoff and fraud blame here entirely... our humble thanks to your tremendous investigative skills... Now perhaps you apply such A+1 blameshift skills to the Titanic disaster and shift the iceberg's complicity...

204571

[leekohler]

204571

He won't understand that.

[Gelfin]

Now perhaps you apply such A+1 blameshift skills to the Titanic disaster and shift the iceberg's complicity...

That damned Democrat iceberg voted for Wilson. Just more of the left's frigid agenda.

It was all a big scheme to reduce voter turnout among the sorts of people who could afford to sail on the Titanic, you know.

[IntheNet]

This is not a partisan issue, and if anyone is to blame, it's conservatives.

What? No blame Bush dodge?

:rolleyes:

How ACORN Profits from New York's Eminent Domain Abuse
http://biggovernment.com/category/justicelegal/
Last month, New York’s highest court heard oral arguments in the case of Goldstein v. New York State Urban Development Corporation. At issue was the state’s controversial seizure of private property on behalf of a 22-acre development project known as the Atlantic Yards. Situated in central Brooklyn, this taxpayer-subsidized boondoggle was the brainchild of real estate tycoon and New Jersey Nets owner Bruce Ratner, who wants to build an “urban utopia” complete with more than a dozen office and apartment towers, a 180-room hotel, and a fancy new basketball arena for Ratner’s Nets to call home. To get his way, Ratner turned to his buddies in big government, specifically the Empire State Development Corporation, a controversial state agency with the power to bypass zoning laws and seize private property via eminent domain. In other words, this is a classic case of eminent domain abuse. Ratner isn’t building a bridge or a tunnel or any other legitimate public project that might justify the forceful taking of private property by the state. He wants to build a basketball arena, sell tickets to the games (not to mention broadcast rights, concessions, and luxury boxes), and collect a big fat profit. So what in the world is ACORN, a self-described champion of “social and economic justice” and “low- and moderate-income people” doing in bed with a shady corporate powerbroker like Bruce Ratner? Let’s follow the money.

[Rodimus Prime]

I think it is sad how badly both parties abuses eminent domain. They will use eminent domain to line the pockets of their campaign donners. Now eminent domain is something Texas got right in the last election. Now it is against the law for the government in Texas to use eminent domain to take private property to sell/ give to a private developers.

Now eminent domain in Texas can only be used on public works. As screwed up as the Texas state Constitution is this is one of the things that is nice about amendments that really should be laws. The amendment that pasted changing eminent domain in Texas passed in a landside (over 90% for it) so it is not going to go anywhere no matter what laws are passed.

What happen in New York should be illegal on so many levels.

[awmazz]

I really don't see how this is a Democratic or Republican issue. But since you seem to think so, you should know that of the 7 judges on the Court of Appeals, 4 were appointed by George Pataki, a Republican. Cuomo, Spitzer and Paterson have each appointed 1.

I'm just seeing more evidence of what I've concluded recently, ie 'New York Liberals' = 'Northern Unionists'. Assuming 'NY Liberal' to mean Democrat is incorrect as you are omitting the key adjective, NY. Which is 'North'.

So the term covers anyone who doesn't share Southern 'conservative' views. I call them Confederate Values, because that's what they are. So of all those judges you list, *all* were appointed by Northern Unionists, which is why you've had no argument on this from them because you're not actually telling them anything they don't already know.

The title of this thread isn't having a go at the Democrats in New York. It is having a go at New York itself. Everybody running New York. The North. As in, "look at what those a**hat Northerners are up to now".

Fascinating stuff. Like deciphering Cockney slang, equally designed to hide it's true meaning. I'm compiling other Confederate code phrases now. Starting with 'Hollywood Elite' = 'Jews'.

[leekohler]

What? No blame Bush dodge?

:rolleyes:

How ACORN Profits from New York's Eminent Domain Abuse
http://biggovernment.com/category/justicelegal/
Last month, New York’s highest court heard oral arguments in the case of Goldstein v. New York State Urban Development Corporation. At issue was the state’s controversial seizure of private property on behalf of a 22-acre development project known as the Atlantic Yards. Situated in central Brooklyn, this taxpayer-subsidized boondoggle was the brainchild of real estate tycoon and New Jersey Nets owner Bruce Ratner, who wants to build an “urban utopia” complete with more than a dozen office and apartment towers, a 180-room hotel, and a fancy new basketball arena for Ratner’s Nets to call home. To get his way, Ratner turned to his buddies in big government, specifically the Empire State Development Corporation, a controversial state agency with the power to bypass zoning laws and seize private property via eminent domain. In other words, this is a classic case of eminent domain abuse. Ratner isn’t building a bridge or a tunnel or any other legitimate public project that might justify the forceful taking of private property by the state. He wants to build a basketball arena, sell tickets to the games (not to mention broadcast rights, concessions, and luxury boxes), and collect a big fat profit. So what in the world is ACORN, a self-described champion of “social and economic justice” and “low- and moderate-income people” doing in bed with a shady corporate powerbroker like Bruce Ratner? Let’s follow the money.

Like I already said- this is not a partisan issue. This kind of kind of thing is being abused by people across the board, starting with the Supreme Court decision that allowed it in the first place. The court was already leaning conservative at that time. In your own quote, this is benefitting a private entity. And your quote doesn't even mention how ACORN is involved. It just mentions them. Do you read your quotes beforehand?

And one more time for clarity:

I HAVE FOUGHT EMINENT DOMAIN ABUSE IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD AND WON.

It is NOT a liberal vs conservative issue. You making it one is a lie of the worst kind.

[awmazz]

It is NOT a liberal vs conservative issue. You making it one is a lie of the worst kind.

Liberal = Unionist. Conservative = Confederate.

So, yes it is a liberal vs conservative issue. A Southerner is pointing out a problem he sees with the North.

I'm excited. It's like I just learned to master another language like Chinese and I can understand what the waiters are saying about the other customers when they bring me my kung pao chicken.

[leekohler]

Liberal = Unionist. Conservative = Confederate.

So, yes it is a liberal vs conservative issue. A Southerner is pointing out a problem he sees with the North.

I'm excited. It's like I just learned to master another language like Chinese and I can understand what the waiters are saying about the other customers when they bring me my kung pao chicken.

It's more like learning to decipher language made up by a toddler.

[awmazz]

It's more like learning to decipher language made up by a toddler.

Even harder, because they just make up their own meanings for words. And one word can have two meanings.

For example, 'Liberal Media' should properly mean Northern media, but I'm of the belief it actually means 'Jewish-controlled media'.

[beatzfreak]

What? No blame Bush dodge?

:rolleyes:

How ACORN Profits from New York's Eminent Domain Abuse
http://biggovernment.com/category/justicelegal/
Last month, New York’s highest court heard oral arguments in the case of Goldstein v. New York State Urban Development Corporation. At issue was the state’s controversial seizure of private property on behalf of a 22-acre development project known as the Atlantic Yards. Situated in central Brooklyn, this taxpayer-subsidized boondoggle was the brainchild of real estate tycoon and New Jersey Nets owner Bruce Ratner, who wants to build an “urban utopia” complete with more than a dozen office and apartment towers, a 180-room hotel, and a fancy new basketball arena for Ratner’s Nets to call home. To get his way, Ratner turned to his buddies in big government, specifically the Empire State Development Corporation, a controversial state agency with the power to bypass zoning laws and seize private property via eminent domain. In other words, this is a classic case of eminent domain abuse. Ratner isn’t building a bridge or a tunnel or any other legitimate public project that might justify the forceful taking of private property by the state. He wants to build a basketball arena, sell tickets to the games (not to mention broadcast rights, concessions, and luxury boxes), and collect a big fat profit. So what in the world is ACORN, a self-described champion of “social and economic justice” and “low- and moderate-income people” doing in bed with a shady corporate powerbroker like Bruce Ratner? Let’s follow the money.

Once again, the ESDC, a republican appointed agency by Governor Pataki, a Republican, and a republican led state senate, steam rolled the Ratner project supported by ACORN. So ACORN, gasp, is in bed with republicans.

By the way, most of the local democratic politicians are against this project.

[awmazz]

For example, 'Liberal Media' should properly mean Northern media, but I'm of the belief it actually means 'Jewish-controlled media'.

Yep, after a quick googling of media ownership of the two biggest targets of being 'liberal media', the LA Times and NY Times, I can confirm this with some certainty. 'Liberal media' may have originated as meaning Northern media, but the ownership of the media has probably made the meaning evolve to be more specific. Maybe they don't see a difference anyway, Jews being Northerners anyway.

If you take the specific meaning to be the more widely accepted one, when Palin speaks to her supporters about the liberal media being out to get her and trick her, she's saying it's a Jewish conspiracy by those 'crafty' Jews. Man, this is incredible stuff they've been getting away with for a long while now while donning the benign facade of decent folk.

I'm thinking now that I liked it better when I didn't understand what they were saying. Ignorance is bliss.

[Zombie Acorn]

The government should not be able to take over housing to install a basketball court and new private housing, that is ****ing ridiculous and has nothing to do with parties.

We may be too busy fighting amongst each other to figure out who we should be fighting against though. How convenient.

[leekohler]

The government should not be able to take over housing to install a basketball court and new private housing, that is ****ing ridiculous and has nothing to do with parties.

We may be too busy fighting amongst each other to figure out who we should be fighting against though. How convenient.

Like I said, I would seriously appreciate it if people would start threads with honest titles. This is an important issue an needs honest discussion, not partisan baiting where there is no need.

[beatzfreak]

The government should not be able to take over housing to install a basketball court and new private housing, that is ****ing ridiculous and has nothing to do with parties.

We may be too busy fighting amongst each other to figure out who we should be fighting against though. How convenient.

Your right, but when liberals are wrongly blamed for this monstrosity, the record has to be set straight.

This project was signed sealed and delivered by the Pataki administration years ago. When I hear local democratic politicians being blamed for this from those who has no clue what is going on, it disgusts me. Why hasn't the OP returned? When presented with the facts, I get some immature response about the Titanic??!! and my research skills. it goes well beyond research for me.

I live a block away form this project and have been fighting it for 6 years. Many of our local democratic politicians have been fighting tirelessly along side us from the beginning only to be shut down year after year. It's been a long hard fight and to hear these knee-jerk, "blame the liberals" reactions is extremely disgusting. It's a low blow considering what we've been through.

They don't want a real discussion, they just want to blame the liberals.

I'm appalled.

[Zombie Acorn]

Your right, but when liberals are wrongly blamed for this monstrosity, the record has to be set straight.

This project was signed sealed and delivered by the Pataki administration years ago. When I hear local democratic politicians being blamed for this from those who has no clue what is going on, it disgusts me. Why hasn't the OP returned? When presented with the facts, I get some immature response about the Titanic??!! and my research skills. it goes well beyond research for me.

I live a block away form this project and have been fighting it for 6 years. Many of our local democratic politicians have been fighting tirelessly along side us from the beginning only to be shut down year after year. It's been a long hard fight and to hear these knee-jerk, "blame the liberals" reactions is extremely disgusting. It's a low blow considering what we've been through.

They don't want a real discussion, they just want to blame the liberals.

I'm appalled.

This is typical of a few certain posters, its mostly to incite anger in the left, and unfortunately I have to say they have won many times in the past and continue to win at this job.

[beatzfreak]

This is typical of a few certain posters, its mostly to incite anger in the left, and unfortunately I have to say they have won many times in the past and continue to win at this job.

If you call looking like a-holes winning, then so be it.

[leekohler]

If you call looking like a-holes winning, then so be it.

Exactly. Like I said- lies in thread titles should be ground for a time out.

[imac/cheese]

Once again, the ESDC, a republican appointed agency by Governor Pataki, a Republican, and a republican led state senate, steam rolled the Ratner project supported by ACORN. So ACORN, gasp, is in bed with republicans.

By the way, most of the local democratic politicians are against this project.

RINOs!!! All of them!!

[Unspoken Demise]

Exactly. Like I said- lies in thread titles should be ground for a time out.

Everytime Shivetya posts, just remember what I told you. Makes me smile every time. :)

[awmazz]

Your right, but when liberals are wrongly blamed for this monstrosity, the record has to be set straight.

This project was signed sealed and delivered by the Pataki administration years ago. When I hear local democratic politicians being blamed for this from those who has no clue what is going on, it disgusts me. Why hasn't the OP returned? When presented with the facts, I get some immature response about the Titanic??!! and my research skills. it goes well beyond research for me.

This is a simple case of miscommunication. Your understanding of the phrase 'those liberals' in New York is different to the thread starter's use of it.

Shivetya makes no mention whatsoever of Democrats in his post. In fact, he talks of New York politicians in general and mega rich campaign donors. His post is about how things are done in New York. Which is likely why he hasn't returned to argue with you as you aren't actually disagreeing with him.

Witness Palin's endorsement in NY23. Both the NY Democrat and Republican party candidates were deemed 'liberals'.

IntheNet's the one who mentions Democrats further in. He's obviously not fully conversant with the lingo yet, so that was a mistake on his part just to get a taunt in so you were basically wasting your time arguing with him.

[Thomas Veil]

Re-read Shivetya's initial post too.Yeah, and I don't think you read anything that followed.

It would also be nice if people could start threads with honest titles. I think lying in a thread title should get people a Time Out.Great idea. Mods?

Man, the toilet seat was just cold as ice today. ********in' liberals.My dishwasher has been making funny noises. G*****n liberals!

Everytime Shivetya posts, Jesus weeps.Fixed that for you.

What? No blame Bush dodge?

:rolleyes:

How ACORN Profits from New York's Eminent Domain Abuse
http://biggovernment.com/category/justicelegal/If you're gonna post stuff like this, you might at least link to the entire article here (http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/18/how-acorn-profits-from-new-yorks-eminent-domain-abuse/#more-33194), instead of linking to a page full of teasers, where I had to scroll way down to find out what the hell you're talking about.

But the advantage of seeing all the articles is that I got to figure out what a great site that was. Based on the other ridiculous stuff on that site, I have no reason to believe that they are not spinning wildly any involvement that ACORN may have had in the project.

And finally, let me blow your mind by saying that as a liberal, I'm against seizing non-blighted areas for business developers.

(stands back in case Shivetya's and IntheNet's heads explode)

[freeny]

Good to finally see conservatives sticking up for the poor and disenfranchised ;)

Dont look now... Your agenda is showing :P

[chstr]

yea :rolleyes: gotta love the partisan hacks around here too

[Wotan31]

Six hundred thousand dollars isn't expensive for a home in a major urban area.
LOL the 2 br condo I live in was a lot more than $600k. I can't afford a single family home. It's all about location. Location, location, location. That said, ANY form of eminent domain is an evil thing. But corrupt politicians abusing their power is hardly a new concept.

[Eraserhead]

That said, ANY form of eminent domain is an evil thing.

Even for new railway lines and roads?

EDIT: For high speed rail where all corners have to have a 4km radius if someone wouldn't sell their land it'd be practically fatal to the project, but even major roads can't have really sharp corners.

[Counterfit]

Oh my... that truly excuses the liberal Democrats from payoff and fraud blame here entirely

Post a reputable (i.e. not the right-wing echo-chamber) source or GTFO. You constantly flaunt the rules of this forum, and we won't stand for it any longer. You are a cancer on PRSI.

[DoNoHarm]

why can't we all just get along.

[bobber205]

Post a reputable (i.e. not the right-wing echo-chamber) source or GTFO. You constantly flaunt the rules of this forum, and we won't stand for it any longer. You are a cancer on PRSI.

He's actually quite entertaining. In a quadruple paraplegic falling down a flight of stairs pathetic way. :D

[Badandy]

That said, ANY form of eminent domain is an evil thing.

So you disagree with the founding fathers?

[Zombie Acorn]

Eminent domain isn't bad when used properly, bulldozing housing to build a stadium and more rich people private housing /= properly used.