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g30ffr3y
Aug 4, 2004, 04:51 PM
hello everyone... i hope this is in the correct forum...

lets say i wanted to build an ultimate gaming system
for playing doom 3... sadly enough my beloved quicksilver
and tibook arent quite up to the task so we have to drift
into the sick abyss of crap that is windows xp...

lets also say that i am not the type that likes to wait for
things... so lets say i was going to go to compusa, circuit city,
best buy etc... for the supplies...

what would my shopping list look like...

motherboard? which
processor? i would like to go AMD
video card? i hear nVidia is spanking on doom 3
hard drive? i dont need big... just nice and quick

what else???

case
processor fan
power supply
cd/dvd drive
ram???

if any of you wouldnt mind giving me the best bang for
the buck options id really appreciate it...

robbieduncan
Aug 4, 2004, 05:09 PM
hello everyone... i hope this is in the correct forum...
what would my shopping list look like...

motherboard? which
processor? i would like to go AMD
video card? i hear nVidia is spanking on doom 3
hard drive? i dont need big... just nice and quick

case
processor fan
power supply
cd/dvd drive
ram???


Mother Board: Any major manufacturer (MSI,Asus,GigaByte etc) NForce 3 250Gb (may be called NForce 3 Ultra) board. If you want the latest get a socket 939 one, although socket 754 is where the best price/performance is at right now.
CPU: Athlon 64. Something around a 3400+ to 3600+.
Graphics: GeForce 6800GT. A bit slower than the ultra, but a lot cheaper and can be clocked to ultra speed.
Harddrive: If all you want is speed then a Western Digital Raptor is the way to go.

Case: Lian Li Aluminium one.
Fan: Comes with the CPU>
PSU: Enermax make really nice ones.
DVD Drive: ANY!
RAM: 2 Sticks of branded DDR 400.

strider42
Aug 4, 2004, 05:11 PM
hello everyone... i hope this is in the correct forum...

lets say i wanted to build an ultimate gaming system
for playing doom 3... sadly enough my beloved quicksilver
and tibook arent quite up to the task so we have to drift
into the sick abyss of crap that is windows xp...

lets also say that i am not the type that likes to wait for
things... so lets say i was going to go to compusa, circuit city,
best buy etc... for the supplies...

what would my shopping list look like...

motherboard? which
processor? i would like to go AMD
video card? i hear nVidia is spanking on doom 3
hard drive? i dont need big... just nice and quick

what else???

case
processor fan
power supply
cd/dvd drive
ram???

if any of you wouldnt mind giving me the best bang for
the buck options id really appreciate it...

check out http://arstechnica.com/guide/system/index.html they've got a good starting point for you.

g30ffr3y
Aug 4, 2004, 05:28 PM
thanks guys... the athalon 64 + socket 754 (?) seems like
the most reasonable/realistic option... im also reading
that nVidia is spanking ATI on doom 3...

right now im trying to play it on my athalon XP 2400 [2.0gig]
with 512ram and a 64MB MX420... needless to say its not
running very smooth even on the lowest settings...

jefhatfield
Aug 4, 2004, 06:09 PM
processor...athlon or pentium 4, stay away from celeron or transmeta for gaming

ram...most types are good but stay away from ultra cheap ram that's unknown...kingston or crucial is just fine for most

video card...ati or nvidia both have good products

dvd...any, like mentioned by another poster

case...if looks is that important, then be prepared to spend a little more

motherboard...asus or major brand

it's still cheaper to look at major brand pc companies and build a machine from there online and due to the fact that 1) you can get windows cheaper ($40 is all it adds to their cost and they give you the savings), and 2) that there is a lot of bundled software costing hundreds of dollars, and 3) that they can buy in bulk for parts and software and thus get a better deal...it makes more sense, these days, to buy a major brand computer if bang for the buck is important

if you are going to build a machine, then customization is what you are after and you are lucky these days if you can build a comparable machine to an hp/compaq, let's say, and still do it for the same price and still get all the same or comparable software...when you buy a major brand computer, you also have that one year warranty and sometimes phone support for that period of time

so if you still want a custom machine, then spend a little extra and build something that the major brand companies cannot and will not do...i say go $1500 or so and you will likely be proud of what you will make and also have something truly unique at the same time

i hope this helps

musicpyrite
Aug 4, 2004, 07:21 PM
This will be one of the best home PCs able to play Doom 3. Be aware I would have gotten the ATI X800 Pro or the XFX NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT but unfortunatly, NewEgg was out of stock. Also, another note about video cards: Doom 3 requires a 512 MB video card to run all settings on 'Ultra', currently, there are no 512, just 256. So the X800 or the 6800 will have to do. Also let me tell you that this does not include the mouse, keyboard, speakers, or the monitor.

I build PCs for my friends and family for a hobby, and I can help anybody that wants to build a PC from $300-3000 dollars.

<EDIT>sorry for the low quality pic, I couldn't get FireFox to save a .jpg, so I had to save as a .pdf, then convert it to .jpg, then zip it.

<EDIT again> For those of you who don't want to download the pics, I'll just tell you the specs:
Generic silver 10 bay case
Sony 16X DVD ROM
Thermaltake Venus 12 CPU fan
x10 80 mm case fans
x2 WD Raptor 36.7 GB 10,000 RPM SATA (in a RAID 0)
x3 512 184 pin 512 MB DDR PC-3200 RAM (total of 1536 MB of RAM)
ABIT KV8 K8T800 Chipset
Antec 550 watt power supply
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ with 1 MB of L2 Cache - OEM
M-AUDIO 7.1 Channel PCI Sound Card
ATI FireGL 9800 Video CArd 256 MB DDR2, 256-bit Dual DVI w/ 8X Pro AGP

All for the amazing price of $1,757.89*

You need big bucks to play with the big boys.

*Excluding tax, shipping, and as mentioned above keyboard, mouse, speaker, and monitor.

mvc
Aug 4, 2004, 07:38 PM
..and they used to say back in 1984 that the Mac was just a toy computer, for kids, and "real work" was done on DOS/PC.

Looks like the shoe's on the other foot now, the only reason you need to buy a PC is because you want to play games. :p

virividox
Aug 4, 2004, 08:29 PM
you might want to invest it more heat sinks or fans

musicpyrite
Aug 4, 2004, 09:47 PM
you might want to invest it more heat sinks or fans

I don't see whats wrong with the ThermalTAke Venus 12 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-106-038&depa=0), its the best CPU fan for the 754 socket. ThermalTake is very well known for making good CPU fans, I've used the Volcano 7+ (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-106-014&depa=0), Volcano 9+ (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-106-017&depa=0), and the Volcano 12+ (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-106-035&depa=0) and I highly reccomend all of them, they are very reliable.

Of course this is assuming that you made you post in responce to mine. ;)

robbieduncan
Aug 5, 2004, 02:33 AM
I don't see whats wrong with the ThermalTAke Venus 12 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-106-038&depa=0), its the best CPU fan for the 754 socket. ThermalTake is very well known for making good CPU fans, I've used the Volcano 7+ (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-106-014&depa=0), Volcano 9+ (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-106-017&depa=0), and the Volcano 12+ (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-106-035&depa=0) and I highly reccomend all of them, they are very reliable.

Of course this is assuming that you made you post in responce to mine. ;)

I think he was being sarcastic. I'm not quite sure why you went with a FireGL card as they are not really gaming optimised?

musicpyrite
Aug 5, 2004, 10:05 AM
I think he was being sarcastic. I'm not quite sure why you went with a FireGL card as they are not really gaming optimised?

As I mentioned above, the ATI X800 Pro or the XFX NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT were out of stock. :(

I just needed a video card to put there, instead of puttig no video card.

robbieduncan
Aug 5, 2004, 10:35 AM
As I mentioned above, the ATI X800 Pro or the XFX NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT were out of stock. :(

I just needed a video card to put there, instead of puttig no video card.

What I meant was why get the 9800 FireGL instead of a standard 9800 which would be just as good for gaming?

musicpyrite
Aug 5, 2004, 10:52 AM
What I meant was why get the 9800 FireGL instead of a standard 9800 which would be just as good for gaming?

It might not be worth the price the the 9800 FireGL has DDR2 and 8X AGP Pro.

And the X800 and the 6800 are still out of stock..... :( :mad: :mad:

FriarCrazy
Aug 5, 2004, 11:07 AM
Proc and mobo (expensive and cheaper options)
Expensive but awesome
AMD athlon64 3800+ socket 939 (652 on newegg)
GIGABYTE "GA-K8NSNXP-939" nForce3 Ultra Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 939 CPU (220 on newegg)

Cheaper but still mind bendingly awesome
AMD athlon64 3500+ socket 939 (352 on newegg)
ABIT "AV8" K8T800 Pro Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 939 CPU (120 on newegg)

RAM
make sure you get ram with low latiencies, I would recommend mushkin. Get 1 gig
Mushkin 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200 Level One Dual Pack (250 on newegg)
The actual speed of this ram is only 3200, but the timings are 2 3 2 so it will OC REALLY well

Case
Get whatever you like, but watch out for spending too much money on a "ricer" Thermaltake cases look and perform awesome, but they are WAY expensive. I would recommend an Antec case, they come with lots of fans and they are solic

PSU
Get a good 500 watt or more, don't get cheap here. I did that once, and it burned up.

Video Card
even though I'm an ATI fanboy, I would recommend an nVidia card for doom3. They perform very, very well.
If you want to spend in the 400 dollar range, get a 6800 GT. This card is an amazing value, its THE MOST bang for your buck
If you want to go all out, get the 6800 Ultra no question
If you want to go ATI, get the X800XT PE. ATI just released some beta catalyst drivers that improve its doom3 framrates by about 10fps (go check out the rage3d forums to see for yourself)

Hope that helps!

g30ffr3y
Aug 6, 2004, 12:06 PM
oh well... i cant justify 400-500 for a video card for my
windows computer... it would be different if it were for my
mac to run a 30" monitor... but its not... so i slammed
a radeon 9800 pro 128 in my current machine... [HP w/athalon xp 2400+]
i just wanted to play my game a little better and didnt want to
wait to order a card... it was 250.00 but even on newegg its 223.00
so the instant gratification was worth it... plus now im going to give
my dad my MX420 so he can play the game... his "brand new compaq"
cheaped out with a no name card and doom wont run AT ALL...

oh yeah... when i had my system scan the hardware to recommend
settings... i jumped from...

low quality 640x480 all the way to.....











medium quality 640x480...

whoopty freaking do!!!!!!!!!

but this game looks amazing on low quality... and now
even super amazing on medium... i cant imagine ultra quality...
but still... ive elimated most of the choppiness and outside
of a few audio skips/stutters/repeats and the occasional
weird vertical line thing on my screen the game runs nice...


so now im going to build the rest of the computer
slowly... buying from newegg probably as i can afford
the pieces...

ive been reading up and AMD is wiping the floor with
intel regarding doom perfomance... i wouldnt have gotten
an intel anyhow...

the athalon 64 3400+ is only like 305.00 its the old socket 754
but the price performance is definately right at the sweet spot...
my current chip scored like a 48 on the doom benchmarks while
the 3400+ scored like a 98... going to the 64 FX would be a huge
price jump and not enough performce to justify... i still have to
save money for a new mac once they hit dual 3gigs... or the new
imac if its just so sweet... the article seems to imply that
a better CPU will let you jack up the resolution a bit... i dont know...
but between that and i plan on putting a gig of ram in the thing
right off the bat should give me a nice system... not just for
doom... but for collecting dust...

g30ffr3y
Aug 6, 2004, 12:12 PM
..and they used to say back in 1984 that the Mac was just a toy computer, for kids, and "real work" was done on DOS/PC.

Looks like the shoe's on the other foot now, the only reason you need to buy a PC is because you want to play games. :p


EXACTLY!!!!!!!!! thats the windows world... playing games and
upgrading video cards when every new sick game comes out...



to amend my previous post...

ive also found a sony dvd +- rw /cdrw for 83.00...
i have no interest in a "ricer" case... just black with nice
clean lines... like the new high end vaio destops... that is a hot
case... dont get me wrong... i love the g5 case... but i love black!!!
the raptor hard drive is nuts for the cost... ill settle for a modest
SATA drive and save half the cost...
i dont plan on giving windows any money either... so thatll save
what... 169.99 ???

dont processors come with fans...???
i have no interest in overclocking anything...
i dont trust it... i dont trust windows...
im not interested in getting a ridiculous cooling system...

musicpyrite
Aug 6, 2004, 12:39 PM
dont processors come with fans...???
i have no interest in overclocking anything...
i dont trust it... i dont trust windows...
im not interested in getting a ridiculous cooling system...

Retail processors come with heat sinks and fans, OEM processors come with just the processor. You'll need to buy a 3rd party fan and/or heat sink if you want to overclock it or get an OEM processor. (and there is no difference between the Retail and OEM version of a processor)

Overclocking is easy and safe if you know how to do it. (and it's not that hard to do) It'll take you a few hours at most.

For example, there are many people that buy an AMD Barton 2500+ and overclock it to 3200+ speeds. If they didn't overclock it, then they would have to buy the 3200+ processor. The OEM version of the 2500+ is $80 and the OEM version of a 3200+ is $181. Thats a savings of $100. (also don't forget the fan and sink, they will cost you anywhere from 15-25$) Thats basically $75 more dollars that you could spend on an extra 512 MB of RAM or a decent sound card, or a DVD burner.

g30ffr3y
Aug 6, 2004, 01:27 PM
Retail processors come with heat sinks and fans, OEM processors come with just the processor. You'll need to buy a 3rd party fan and/or heat sink if you want to overclock it or get an OEM processor. (and there is no difference between the Retail and OEM version of a processor)

Overclocking is easy and safe if you know how to do it. (and it's not that hard to do) It'll take you a few hours at most.

For example, there are many people that buy an AMD Barton 2500+ and overclock it to 3200+ speeds. If they didn't overclock it, then they would have to buy the 3200+ processor. The OEM version of the 2500+ is $80 and the OEM version of a 3200+ is $181. Thats a savings of $100. (also don't forget the fan and sink, they will cost you anywhere from 15-25$) Thats basically $75 more dollars that you could spend on an extra 512 MB of RAM or a decent sound card, or a DVD burner.



so if i bought an athalon 64 3000+ could i overclock it to run like the
3400+ ??? how do you do that... would you need more fans???