"Fisting" taught to 14 year-olds?

[scottness]

...You just heard a public employee promote “fisting” to 14-year-olds. Kevin Jennings who ran GLSEN is now Barack Obama’s Safe Schools Czar.
To be clear, this post is not about supporting or not supporting gays or gay rights. This post is about the radical agenda of groups like GLSEN and activists like Kevin Jennings.

For the full article and links to clips:

http://biggovernment.com/2009/12/07/fistgate-barack-obamas-safe-schools-czars-2000-conference-promoted-fisting-to-14-year-olds/

Interesting read.

[ucfgrad93]

That is a pretty sick thing to be telling 14-year olds.

[Ttownbeast]

wait......what?????

[leekohler]

I can find absolutely no proof that this tape is what it says it is. The only things that come up are extreme right wing blog sources. And yes, I listened to the tape. I have a feeling this is not actually what it claims to be.

[IntheNet]

Interesting read.

Pretty disgusting guy this Kevin Jennings... no surprise he's linked to current administration! I note that this is the same guy accused of this:

Obama’s Safe Schools Czar Kevin Jennings Hid Pedophilia
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/09/obamas-safe-schools-czar-kevin-jennings-hid-pedophilia/

'Safe schools' chief encouraged child sex with older man
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=111347

[obeygiant]

ah-hem

Some of the findings in that article are beyond disgusting.

[leekohler]

Oh wait- didn't take long to find out that this is a bunch of s***.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200912070022

Fox Nation: "Safe School Czar Linked To Shocking Teen Sex Talk." In a December 7 post titled "Safe School Czar Linked to Shocking Teen Sex Talk," Fox Nation linked to and quoted a December 5 Gateway Pundit post stating that in 2000, GLSEN held a conference that "made it clear that the organization was not so much about tolerance as it was about teaching children about sex."

Screen capture of Fox Nation headline

Big Government posts "a shocking report on Obama's deviant Safe School Czar Kevin Jennings." On December 7, Big Government posted an item that reprinted some of the December 5 Gateway Pundit article, which Big Government called "a shocking report on Obama's deviant Safe Schools Czar Kevin Jennings." The Big Government post included an audio clip from a workshop during the 2000 GLSEN conference in which participants discussed sexual behavior. The Big Government item claimed that "this is not about supporting or not supporting gays or gay rights. This post is about the radical agenda of groups like GLSEN and activists like Kevin Jennings."
In fact, Jennings criticized the content of the workshop, and the workshop's organizers were fired or resigned

Boston Herald: GLSEN, Jennings "agreed" that seminar leaders "crossed a line." On May 18, 2000, the Boston Herald reported that GLSEN "agreed yesterday that three workshop leaders crossed a line with raunchy content directed at students as young as 14 years old." In the article, Jennings, who was the executive director of GLSEN at the time, was quoted saying, "We need to make our expectations and guidelines to outside facilitators much more clear because we are surprised and troubled by some of the accounts we've heard." From the Herald:

"Like the Parents Rights Coalition and the Department of Education, GLSEN is also troubled by some of the content that came up during this workshop," said Kevin Jennings, national executive director of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network.

He said people who run workshops in the future will get clearer guidelines, though Jennings said the network's annual conference at Tufts University should not be judged on the 30-student seminar "What They Didn't Tell You About Queer Sex and Sexuality in Health Class."

"We need to make our expectations and guidelines to outside facilitators much more clear," said Jennings. "Because we are surprised and troubled by some of the accounts we've heard." [Boston Herald, 5/18/2000, accessed via Nexis]

Boston Globe: Jennings expressed "concerns" about workshop discussion. In a May 18, 2000, Boston Globe article (accessed via Nexis), Jennings criticized the contents of the tape, saying that "from what I've heard, I have concerns as well," and that sexual educational programs "need to be delivered in an age appropriate and sensitive manner." He also claimed that his organization was being unfairly criticized by the Parents Rights Coalition, which had sneaked into the workshop and taped it. According to Jennings: "[T]he people who have the tape know what our mission is, they know that our work is about preventing harassment and they know that session was not the totality of what was offered at a conference with over 50 sessions. Our mission is being misrepresented."

The seminar's organizers were fired or resigned as a result. According to a May 20, 2000, Boston Herald article, of the three state Department of Education employees or contractors who led the seminar, one was fired, one resigned, and one had his contract canceled, as a result of the discussion. From the Boston Herald: "One presenter at the workshop was fired and a second resigned. In explaining his actions yesterday, [then-Massachusetts state education czar David P.] Driscoll said the sessions 'went too far' with explicit discussions about sexual techniques. Driscoll said he had canceled the contract of a third presenter at the March workshop, which included frank talk about how to use a condom and how to perform oral sex."

And this was from 2000? You guys really are desperate. And here, it wasn't even Jennings who was involved. Can you guys please do some research before you post BS like this? It's hard enough being a minority. It's even harder when people spread BS.

More here: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/03/kevin-jennings/

[macuserx86]

meh, doesn't seem like too big a deal. If Jennings was accused of fisting the children himself, now that would be hot...I mean bad.

[Rt&Dzine]

Oh wait- didn't take long to find out that this is a bunch of s***.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200912070022



And this was from 2000? You guys really are desperate. And here, it wasn't even Jennings who was involved. Can you guys please do some research before you post BS like this? It's hard enough being a minority. It's even harder when people spread BS.

More here: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/03/kevin-jennings/

This is exactly why I don't read a few of the posters and their links anymore. It's BS.

[leekohler]

This is exactly why I don't read a few of the posters and their links anymore. It's BS.

I'm getting pretty damn tired of it.

[XNine]

What do you expect Lee? There has been so much bad press with the GOP and republicans the last 8 years, they're trying to turn the tables and get the heat off of themselves by lying.

[leekohler]

What do you expect Lee? There has been so much bad press with the GOP and republicans the last 8 years, they're trying to turn the tables and get the heat off of themselves by lying.

When it involves people like me, it p***es me off. I'm sick of their lies and distortions.

[Rampant.A.I.]

I can find absolutely no proof that this tape is what it says it is. The only things that come up are extreme right wing blog sources. And yes, I listened to the tape. I have a feeling this is not actually what it claims to be.

People should know better than to take "articles" like this at face value.

The religious right has a long history campaigning against sex education in public schools, no matter what they have to make up to get people outraged.

Kevin Jennings is openly gay. To religious bigot--I mean, activist--it's easier to destroy his credibility by implying he's a pedophile. It's stooping amazingly low, even for the religious right. But to most folks who come from a religious background, it makes sense that an openly gay man would be more likely to become a child predator than a man who identifies himself as straight, when in reality it's the opposite.

[AP_piano295]

You've gotta love how the right wingers jump on board without even bothering to evaluate the source.

[jav6454]

For the full article and links to clips:

http://biggovernment.com/2009/12/07/fistgate-barack-obamas-safe-schools-czars-2000-conference-promoted-fisting-to-14-year-olds/

Interesting read.

WAT?

People are sick at times.... also, respectively, my reaction images to such story.

Edit: Apparently it's an old made-up story... so I remove one image....

Edit 2: Well some OPs are not careful with sources, tape seem iffy...

[Shivetya]

What do you expect Lee? There has been so much bad press with the GOP and republicans the last 8 years, they're trying to turn the tables and get the heat off of themselves by lying.

LOL. because the liberals/Democrats are such bastions of the truth and innocence.

R O T F L M A O


You people crack me up.


If you align with Democrats or Republicans your losers. I don't care, pick one, you lose. They both suck. The both rely on petty little board losers to support them.

Geez, when will some of you come to realize that R or D doesn't matter, they are the same coin, just different sides of it. They don't share power except between themselves.

[XNine]

LOL. because the liberals/Democrats are such bastions of the truth and innocence.

R O T F L M A O


You people crack me up.


If you align with Democrats or Republicans your losers. I don't care, pick one, you lose. They both suck. The both rely on petty little board losers to support them.

Geez, when will some of you come to realize that R or D doesn't matter, they are the same coin, just different sides of it. They don't share power except between themselves.

I never said I was affiliated with either side, did I? No. But you assumed, and we all know where that gets you.

[Rt&Dzine]

LOL. because the liberals/Democrats are such bastions of the truth and innocence.

R O T F L M A O


You people crack me up.


If you align with Democrats or Republicans your losers. I don't care, pick one, you lose. They both suck. The both rely on petty little board losers to support them.

Geez, when will some of you come to realize that R or D doesn't matter, they are the same coin, just different sides of it. They don't share power except between themselves.

And I suppose you think the Tea Party or Libertarians will be any different? :rolleyes: They will just lick different lobbyist butt.

[DoNoHarm]

You've gotta love how the right wingers jump on board without even bothering to evaluate the source.

I think it stems from using a contradictory sense of morality in place of logic to form a belief. Why go through the rigors of evaluating a source if you didn't use reason to form the belief in the first place?

I miss the days of Reagan when you could at least get into a debate with conservatives on policy without it becoming a conversation on religion.

[obeygiant]

You've gotta love how the right wingers jump on board without even bothering to evaluate the source.

Well actually the "right-wingers" in this thread said just about the same thing as Jennings did:

"Like the Parents Rights Coalition and the Department of Education, GLSEN is also troubled by some of the content that came up during this workshop," said Kevin Jennings, national executive director of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network.

He said people who run workshops in the future will get clearer guidelines, though Jennings said the network's annual conference at Tufts University should not be judged on the 30-student seminar "What They Didn't Tell You About Queer Sex and Sexuality in Health Class."

"We need to make our expectations and guidelines to outside facilitators much more clear," said Jennings. "Because we are surprised and troubled by some of the accounts we've heard."

So the "fisting" thing did happen, which is still disgusting. I'm glad Jennings did the right thing.

[NT1440]

LOL. because the liberals/Democrats are such bastions of the truth and innocence.

.

I'll just leave it at this, which party seems to specialize in character assassination in order to win elections?

By no means are the Dems free of crap, its just the GOP seems to thrive on it and and have no idea how to do anything but mudsling.

[IntheNet]

So the "fisting" thing did happen, which is still disgusting. I'm glad Jennings did the right thing.

:eek:

And this is the president's pick for "Safe School Czar" for youth?

I'll just leave it at this, which party seems to specialize in character assassination in order to win elections?

Based on demonstrated attacks by Democrats and Democrat-hired lawyers on Palin and Palin's family in 2008 campaign that would be DEMOCRATS Alex....

[yg17]

:eek:

And this is the president's pick for "Safe School Czar" for youth?


And once again you fail to read the entire thread.


Based on demonstrated attacks by Democrats and Democrat-hired lawyers on Palin and Palin's family in 2008 campaign that would be DEMOCRATS Alex....
Palin assassinated her own character. And she continues to do so without the help of Democrats.

[fridgeymonster3]

Palin assassinated her own character. And she continues to do so without the help of Democrats.

And damn, isn't she just amazing at that? Probably the only thing she excels at!

FYI - scottness's posts are generally not even worth reading. Reading others' reactions is far more interesting and entertaining.

[Ttownbeast]

I thought this little news piece was funnier:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/e6c27a38e8/barack-and-michelle-obama-fisting

[Queso]

This may come as a shock, but bearing in mind 14 year-olds have got Internet they most likely know about fisting already.

[Ttownbeast]

This may come as a shock, but bearing in mind 14 year-olds have got Internet they most likely know about fisting already.

That is indeed a scary but likely true thought, since I have teenage stepdaughters I kind of shudder :(

[XnavxeMiyyep]

This may come as a shock, but bearing in mind 14 year-olds have got Internet they most likely know about fisting already.

Yeah. I'm twenty and I can barely remember NOT knowing what fisting is. I definitely knew before high school.

[djjclark]

so has this been debunked also?

obamas-safe-schools-czar-is-promoting-porn-in-the-classroom-kevin-jennings-and-the-glsen-reading-list/ (http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/12/breaking-obamas-safe-schools-czar-is-promoting-porn-in-the-classroom-kevin-jennings-and-the-glsen-reading-list/)

Contents probably NSFW

[Ttownbeast]

so has this been debunked also?

obamas-safe-schools-czar-is-promoting-porn-in-the-classroom-kevin-jennings-and-the-glsen-reading-list/ (http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/12/breaking-obamas-safe-schools-czar-is-promoting-porn-in-the-classroom-kevin-jennings-and-the-glsen-reading-list/)

Contents probably NSFW
Dude! That would have probably prevented sooo many school shooting back when I was in high school LOL

[obeygiant]

This may come as a shock, but bearing in mind 14 year-olds have got Internet they most likely know about fisting already.

Well if you had a son or daughter who didn't know what it was would you want a public employee describing what it was a how to do it? Please say no.

If the question was asked it should have been politely deferred as inappropriate to answer at this time.

Yeah. I'm twenty and I can barely remember NOT knowing what fisting is. I definitely knew before high school.

I'm sorry to hear that.

[Queso]

Well if you had a son or daughter who didn't know what it was would you want a public employee describing what it was a how to do it? Please say no.

If the question was asked it should have been politely deferred as inappropriate to answer at this time.
....and immediately answered straight after class by their friends.

14 year olds aren't toddlers. Seriously, they know about far worse stuff than this. Some of them have probably even watched that awful 2 girls 1 cup thing.

[scottness]

FYI - scottness's posts are generally not even worth reading. Reading others' reactions is far more interesting and entertaining.

I absolutely agree. In fact, the purpose of my posting this was to solicit other poster's more interesting and entertaining reactions. :D

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Who didn't know what fisting was their freshmen year?

[XnavxeMiyyep]

I'm sorry to hear that.
Why? At 14, I thought it was hilarious!:D

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Why? At 14, I thought it was hilarious!:D

I always thought of it as the absolute goofiest way to show someone you care. :D

[Rampant.A.I.]

Why? At 14, I thought it was hilarious!:D

And that's exactly what young teenagers are going to do with this information, when and not if they find out about it.

Laugh. A lot. And then bring it up later and laugh, a lot.

Knowing about a particular sex act doesn't make you want to try it. Anyone here know what a Dirty Sanchez is? Did finding out what it was make you want to try it out?

Did you learn about it at an early age, and then make a lot of crude jokes and get in trouble?

Yeah, that's what I thought. :D

[TuffLuffJimmy]

And that's exactly what young teenagers are going to do with this information, when and not if they find out about it.

Laugh. A lot. And then bring it up later and laugh, a lot.

Knowing about a particular sex act doesn't make you want to try it. Anyone here know what a Dirty Sanchez is? Did finding out what it was make you want to try it out?

Did you learn about it at an early age, and then make a lot of crude jokes and get in trouble?

Yeah, that's what I thought. :D

And it's not like there's anything inherently bad with people trying new sex acts anyway. If they are sexually active all ready and they hear about fisting, they might want to try it. Whose business is it if they do?

[obeygiant]

If most 14-year olds know what fisting is then why the question about it on the recording? I guess it could have been to frak with the sex ed teacher.

Although no one here has really addressed whether the instructor should have fielded the question or not, and if the instruction on fisting he gave was appropriate for the classroom.


You'd think that with the widespread porn on the internet, whats the use of sex education anymore right?

[TuffLuffJimmy]

If most 14-year olds know what fisting is then why the question about on the recording? I guess it could have been to frak with the sex ed teacher.

Although no one here has really addressed whether the instructor should have fielded the question or not, and if the instruction on fisting he gave was appropriate for the classroom.


You'd think that with the widespread porn on the internet, whats the use of sex education anymore right?

What's wrong with explaining various sex acts? Especially one that is in no way profane (or at least any more profane than some other more common acts).

[Rampant.A.I.]

If most 14-year olds know what fisting is then why the question about it on the recording? I guess it could have been to frak with the sex ed teacher.

Although no one here has really addressed whether the instructor should have fielded the question or not, and if the instruction on fisting he gave was appropriate for the classroom.


You'd think that with the widespread porn on the internet, whats the use of sex education anymore right?

I couldn't disagree more. Because of the widespread availability of porn to younger and younger individuals, we need sex education now more than ever.

No child should grow up thinking that the sex acts depicted in some hardcore porn flick they ran across online are how sex really "goes down" between two consenting adults.

I'm not saying they'll never work up to some of the acts they see online. But it's important that kids have at least a life preserver of reality when they're drowning in fantasy media.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I couldn't disagree more. Because of the widespread availability of porn to younger and younger individuals, we need sex education now more than ever.

No child should grow up thinking that the sex acts depicted in some hardcore porn flick they ran across online are how sex really "goes down" between two consenting adults.

I'm not saying they'll never work up to some of the acts they see online. But it's important that kids have at least a life preserver of reality when they're drowning in fantasy media.

Exactly. My cousin's school didn't have sex ed, so he learned everything from porn. Now he's a 30 year old pizza guy, because he thought women were just begging to get with the pizza guy.
not a true story

[obeygiant]

What's wrong with explaining various sex acts? Especially one that is in no way profane (or at least any more profane than some other more common acts).

Well I guess we'd have to establish a difference between instruction of ****ing and deviant sex acts and the philosophy of sex education. Do you think there is a difference?

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Well I guess we'd have to establish a difference between instruction of ****ing and deviant sex acts and the philosophy of sex education. Do you think there is a difference? Would cunnilingus technique be appropriate for sex ed?

Yes. because in middle school/high school if you make it to homebase before rounding the other bases you're labeled some not so nice things. And if I recall my middle school sex ed we did touch on oral sex, as well as anal.

[Plymouthbreezer]

You just heard a public employee promote “fisting” to 14-year-olds. Kevin Jennings who ran GLSEN is now Barack Obama’s Safe Schools Czar.

Umm. No, article.

[Ttownbeast]

No child should grow up thinking that the sex acts depicted in some hardcore porn flick they ran across online are how sex really "goes down" between two consenting adults.

Speak for yourself man I got some experiences that would curl a lot of toenails LOL

[Ttownbeast]

Exactly. My cousin's school didn't have sex ed, so he learned everything from porn. Now he's a 30 year old pizza guy, because he thought women were just begging to get with the pizza guy.
not a true story

I worked as a handyman for a long time--the booty wasn't bad but nowhere near porn standards.

[Zombie Acorn]

Our sex ed was the basics of sex, man puts his penis in girls vagina, gays etc. STDs, condoms, other sorts of stuff. I don't know why the hell you would want a teacher explaining all kinds of different sex acts. "They call this one the "cliff hanger"" *draws diagram on board* "make sure you study these 20 sex positions for the quiz on tuesday."

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Our sex ed was the basics of sex, man puts his penis in girls vagina, gays etc. STDs, condoms, other sorts of stuff. I don't know why the hell you would want a teacher explaining all kinds of different sex acts. "They call this one the "cliff hanger"" *draws diagram on board* "make sure you study these 20 sex positions for the quiz on tuesday."

Yet I bet a good portion of the class would be able to get all 20 on the quiz and the bonus question without even studying. :D

[FreeState]

Our sex ed was the basics of sex, man puts his penis in girls vagina, gays etc. STDs, condoms, other sorts of stuff. I don't know why the hell you would want a teacher explaining all kinds of different sex acts. "They call this one the "cliff hanger"" *draws diagram on board* "make sure you study these 20 sex positions for the quiz on tuesday."

Most sex ed classes tell the students any and all questions asked will be answered - I think thats a good policy. If a kid asked about fisting its likely he or she was interested in the act - and the more safety information the student has the better. What harm is there in telling the truth?

[Rampant.A.I.]

Gee, thanks for making me out to be some kind of prude for saying that I hope an entire generation of little girls don't grow up thinking they have to become Dana De Armond to get guys to like them. :rolleyes:

[Zombie Acorn]

Most sex ed classes tell the students any and all questions asked will be answered - I think thats a good policy. If a kid asked about fisting its likely he or she was interested in the act - and the more safety information the student has the better. What harm is there in telling the truth?

They can google that stuff, if I were a teacher there is no way in hell that i would go into specifics.

[william sire]

Oh wait- didn't take long to find out that this is a bunch of s***.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200912070022



And this was from 2000? You guys really are desperate. And here, it wasn't even Jennings who was involved. Can you guys please do some research before you post BS like this? It's hard enough being a minority. It's even harder when people spread BS.

More here: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/03/kevin-jennings/

You don’t believe the article but you believe mediamatters and thinkprogess??

[Eraserhead]

....and immediately answered straight after class by their friends.

14 year olds aren't toddlers. Seriously, they know about far worse stuff than this. Some Most of them have probably even watched that awful 2 girls 1 cup thing.

Lets be honest, but otherwise I agree.

[leekohler]

You don’t believe the article but you believe mediamatters and thinkprogess??

Christ. There are plenty of other sources on that page. Do us all a favor and read them. I've spoon-fed you enough.

[IntheNet]

There are plenty of other sources on that page. Do us all a favor and read them. I've spoon-fed you enough.

Rather than us posting more links and you denying them, why don't you give us your assessment of Kevin Jennings?

He did run GLSEN, he brings quite a bit of progressive advocacy, and as Barack Obama’s go to guy in education he has quite a bit in his background that does not seem compatible in a traditional sense with a position described as a 'Safe Schools Czar'. Can you make the case for this guy?

[Rt&Dzine]

Why did Nixon and douche bag Reagan start that "Czar" stuff?

[yg17]

Rather than us posting more links and you denying them, why don't you give us your assessment of Kevin Jennings?

He did run GLSEN, he brings quite a bit of progressive advocacy, and as Barack Obama’s go to guy in education he has quite a bit in his background that does not seem compatible in a traditional sense with a position described as a 'Safe Schools Czar'. Can you make the case for this guy?

Because no school can be safe if they allow the homosexuals to attend :rolleyes:

Why did Nixon and douche bag Reagan start that "Czar" stuff?
More importantly, why do all of the douchebags in the right wing media whine about Obama's "czars" when they've been around much longer than Obama?

[fridgeymonster3]

Why did Nixon and douche bag Reagan start that "Czar" stuff?

I wish my job title had Czar in it. It would make my business cards look that much cooler.

On another note. I learned about fisting when I was about 13-14. I didn't go running around trying to fist everyone or everything. I probably giggled and thought damn that must be painful at first. Then I forgot about it.

[PolySciSurfer]

Just another thing to get the conservative Nazis in this country worked up.

[colourfastt]

What else would you make a fist for?

[Counterfit]

I wish my job title had Czar in it. It would make my business cards look that much cooler.

Make it even better and spell it with a "Ts".

[Ttownbeast]

perhaps we can start an organization promoting fists for love rather than war....anyone got a video camera?

[leekohler]

Because no school can be safe if they allow the homosexuals to attend :rolleyes:


Or perhaps InTheNet could read the links and see the guy's qualifications. That would be a good start.

[obeygiant]

Or perhaps InTheNet could read the links and see the guy's qualifications. That would be a good start.

How many years of experience does he have teaching in public schools?