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Dems133
Dec 12, 2009, 02:21 AM
Hey,

i am looking for a laptop a long time.
I decided to buy a beatiful MacBook (Pro)
in europe they are really expensive,
and i want to buy in US and ship it to europe
how can i buy a MacBook as cheap as possible?
Need advice!!

Thanks

ps: maybe someone could buy at macconnection.com and send it to me and i'll give you 50-70 dollar?



opeter
Dec 12, 2009, 02:37 AM
What is VS?

Dems133
Dec 12, 2009, 02:42 AM
Oh sorry in dutch is it: Verenigde Staten
in english: united states : US

juanm
Dec 12, 2009, 02:56 AM
You'll end up paying a hefty sum in taxes... (your VAT + customs expenses). Unless it's really an awesome deal, get it 2nd hand in Europe.

Dems133
Dec 12, 2009, 03:00 AM
You'll end up paying a hefty sum in taxes... (your VAT + customs expenses). Unless it's really an awesome deal, get it 2nd hand in Europe.


your VAT + customs expenses, how much percent is that??

pol0001
Dec 12, 2009, 03:20 AM
If you are looking for a cheap MacBook, A-Mac.nl is currently having a sale for the Classic MacBook for 799. They have locations in Utrecht, Amersfoort, Den Bosch and Eindhoven. Might be an option for you.

Dems133
Dec 12, 2009, 04:08 AM
799 for the old MacBook.
If someone could buy just at a Apple store it Will be 677, for the new one

juanm
Dec 12, 2009, 05:36 AM
your VAT + customs expenses, how much percent is that??

It depends. In Spain the VAT for computers is at 16% + about 10% in other customs expenses. In France the VAT is at 19,6%. I dunno about NL.
Also, you'll be paying this percentage on the price of the item AND the shipping costs.

For laptops, unless you've got a friend coming over from the US or some great 2nd hand deal, it's not worth it...

cdcastillo
Dec 12, 2009, 06:15 AM
You need a friend in the US that is going to travel to the netherlands to buy it there and bring it to you (that way you don't pay taxes since the traveler can claim it was previously his). Otherwise, even if you somehow avoid paying taxes, it is pretty expensive to ship it over the atlantic.

Sorry mate, I'm afraid you're out of luck any other way.

And I agree, they are pretty expensive here in europe, ALMOST at a dollar per euro. I've always bought my macs in America (but I've lived there most of my life), and if I need an accesory, I wait till I travel back to visit and get it there.

Dems133
Dec 12, 2009, 06:15 AM
How does the custom house find out that I send a Macbook?
Do they turn out my packet?

cdcastillo
Dec 12, 2009, 06:18 AM
How does the custom house find out that I send a Macbook?
Do they turn out my packet?

In most countries, the recipient has the obligation to legally declare what it is that they have just received, otherwise, the object is retained in customs and will not be shipped to the the address specified. Once again, law differs accross nations, so you should check yours.

Eraserhead
Dec 12, 2009, 06:21 AM
Are they cheaper in the UK? I'm pretty sure you're allowed to buy it in the UK and ship to the Netherlands without tax - its part of the common market...

Legally of course you'd need to check that is allowed.

saqibhasan
Dec 12, 2009, 06:38 AM
re shipping within EU - yes it is tax-free (only thing that gets taxed is alcohol and cigarettes over and above a certain limit) - I am basing this on:

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/post/internet.htm

Umbongo
Dec 12, 2009, 08:30 AM
re shipping within EU - yes it is tax-free (only thing that gets taxed is alcohol and cigarettes over and above a certain limit) - I am basing this on:

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/post/internet.htm

It's not tax free, you just don't pay VAT twice.

OllyW
Dec 12, 2009, 08:33 AM
Are they cheaper in the UK? I'm pretty sure you're allowed to buy it in the UK and ship to the Netherlands without tax - its part of the common market...

Legally of course you'd need to check that is allowed.

You are correct, you pay VAT at source and there are no other taxes to pay.

opeter
Dec 12, 2009, 10:38 AM
your VAT + customs expenses, how much percent is that??

We in Slovenia (EU) have 20%, some countrys have even 25%.

Here is a list of VAT in EU countrys:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Value_Added_Tax#VAT_rates

Macky-Mac
Dec 12, 2009, 12:30 PM
How does the custom house find out that I send a Macbook?
Do they turn out my packet?

Shipping companies (including the post office) will require the person sending the package to fill out a customs declaration when things are sent to another company

In addition to VAT to be paid to your country, there's sales tax in the USA plus the cost of shipping.

old-wiz
Dec 12, 2009, 01:46 PM
And if you try to sneak it through without paying customs taxes and they find it, you will be in worse trouble than just paying the tax.

Eraserhead
Dec 12, 2009, 02:11 PM
Given that the exchange rate is 1.1=1, it looks like the MacBook Pro will be considerably cheaper to buy in the UK...

trees
Dec 12, 2009, 02:59 PM
Look you can't game the system. There's this crazy thing called tax here in the United States that we pay on top of our purchases so prices seem lower and if you order it online you by law need to pay taxes as well However in your country the VAT is already added in, thus the seemingly discrepancy between the two countries in prices. Furthermore Apple does not peg prices to the currency or they would have to change daily, they peg prices on how much it costs to do business in your country. Now if you have a higher VAT + higher wages, etc for the employees in your country the product will cost more. If you bring it in without paying customs duty you are breaking some fairly serious laws. So it's not Apple being mean to you it's the cost of doing business elsewhere. So more dumb threads about how do I get it cheaper, you don't. You move to the US and pay less for your MAC and a higher cost of living for everything else or you pay your higher VAT and enjoy the benefits of that.



Hey,

i am looking for a laptop a long time.
I decided to buy a beatiful MacBook (Pro)
in europe they are really expensive,
and i want to buy in US and ship it to europe
how can i buy a MacBook as cheap as possible?
Need advice!!

Thanks

ps: maybe someone could buy at macconnection.com and send it to me and i'll give you 50-70 dollar?

peetah
Dec 12, 2009, 05:44 PM
I used to do this for several friends when I was working in Maastricht. I would fly home (US), buy their laptop, put it into my laptop bag (its a large beat up roller computer bag), and fly back to NL.

If you have a friend that's going to the US or going to NL, then have them do that. Otherwise, you will pay a lot of money in taxes when you ship it.

If *you* are flying to the US, bring a used (and beat up) empty laptop bag with you, put your new computer in there, and mail the receipt to your house.

Veel geluk.

Nano2k
Dec 12, 2009, 06:19 PM
Furthermore Apple does not peg prices to the currency or they would have to change daily, they peg prices on how much it costs to do business in your country. Now if you have a higher VAT + higher wages, etc for the employees in your country the product will cost more.

Apple charges more for it's product in Europe (and most countries) because it wants to, not because Europeans make more money than Americans... Actually if you check purchasing power parity, dutch people have less buying power than Americans.

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DATASTATISTICS/Resources/GNIPC.pdf

skubish
Dec 12, 2009, 08:54 PM
People don't realize that VAT is included in the price in EU whereas the sales tax (VAT) is not included in the US because it varies by state.

899 Euro MB in the Netherlands (19% VAT)= 755 euros without VAT
755 Euros = $1110 US.

$111 is not worth it when you consider shipping.

red42
Dec 12, 2009, 09:01 PM
Dont buy a macbook from USA, the keyboard is American layout.

peetah
Dec 13, 2009, 12:13 AM
Dont buy a macbook from USA, the keyboard is American layout.

It doesn't matter if there's a US English layout... you can change out the keyboard so that the key caps are "correct". Or you can just change the keyboard layout in the preferences panel and memorize the "new" layout. Or change the keyboard layout and add stickers to the keys.

Dems133
Dec 13, 2009, 09:55 AM
Is it not a qwerty Layout in US?

miles01110
Dec 13, 2009, 10:19 AM
Apple charges more for it's product in Europe (and most countries) because it wants to, not because Europeans make more money than Americans.

LOL.

It doesn't matter if there's a US English layout... you can change out the keyboard so that the key caps are "correct". Or you can just change the keyboard layout in the preferences panel and memorize the "new" layout. Or change the keyboard layout and add stickers to the keys.

It's still annoying to look down for the key and not be able to find it because the US keyboard doesn't have it. Yes you can change the layout and add stickers, but this is annoying. Especially for the significantly larger number of symbols and characters used frequently in non-US keyboard layouts.

trees
Dec 13, 2009, 01:07 PM
Apple charges more for it's product in Europe (and most countries) because it wants to, not because Europeans make more money than Americans... Actually if you check purchasing power parity, dutch people have less buying power than Americans.

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DATASTATISTICS/Resources/GNIPC.pdf

Actually it's due to the higher cost of doing business in other countries, i.e you have a higher VAT on things thus Apple pays higher VAT on everything in doing business. Americans may quote have 'more buying power' but we have to pay for a lot more things that the government doesn't cover. The prices look much higher especially since computers are an expensive item but you'll notice it on virtually anything from another country that isn't based in your country.

Nano2k
Dec 13, 2009, 02:12 PM
Actually it's due to the higher cost of doing business in other countries, i.e you have a higher VAT on things thus Apple pays higher VAT on everything in doing business. Americans may quote have 'more buying power' but we have to pay for a lot more things that the government doesn't cover. The prices look much higher especially since computers are an expensive item but you'll notice it on virtually anything from another country that isn't based in your country.

Yes like European or Japanese made cars that cost twice as much in Europe as they do in USA... Anyway Apple is right to do it if people still buy their stuff, but there is no real world reasons for it. Hardware from other manufacturers costs about the same in Europe as it does in USA:

European governments don't cover for stuff, the people with a job pay taxes to get healthcare and stuff, it's not free.

Eraserhead
Dec 13, 2009, 02:39 PM
Actually it's due to the higher cost of doing business in other countries, i.e you have a higher VAT on things thus Apple pays higher VAT on everything in doing business.

I don't think you understand how VAT works. Its a "value added tax" so they actually get the VAT refunded on the stuff that they buy for their business.

trees
Dec 13, 2009, 03:54 PM
Yes like European or Japanese made cars that cost twice as much in Europe as they do in USA... Anyway Apple is right to do it if people still buy their stuff, but there is no real world reasons for it. Hardware from other manufacturers costs about the same in Europe as it does in USA:

European governments don't cover for stuff, the people with a job pay taxes to get healthcare and stuff, it's not free.

No it is not free but more your tax dollars go towards paying for services that we don't get here. My husband and I worked it out us both having similar salaries, comparing his in Sweden to mine in the US I was shelling out a lot more money because his costs were upfront in taxes and mine were in hidden on all the extras I pay for. Plus remember our prices are before taxes in some places like Chicago that can be 10% added on. Plus you get a longer warrenty time on products while we pay extra for a longer time. So really people stop looking at it as so cut and dry. Furthermore Apple makes its products in the same places regardless of where they are sold however having a presence in terms of stores warrenty repairs, etc costs them more money. When you buy your Apple in the US warrenty money is allocated to the US not to the country you live in therefore if you need it repaired it costs say Apple Europe more money thus in essence you raise the prices for everyone else to make up the difference. But i'm sure you run a business and are able to account for all these things thats why you understand it so well.

peetah
Dec 13, 2009, 08:34 PM
Is it not a qwerty Layout in US?

It is.

Dems133
Dec 14, 2009, 12:05 AM
We've the Same in europe,

red42
Dec 14, 2009, 12:37 AM
Is it not a qwerty Layout in US?

There are a few more keys on the keyboard than qwerty alone. I have trouble using an American layout. Its alien.

Anyway I bought a mac mini from Malaysia a few weeks back when I was there. It was considerably cheaper than Europe. I then got a further discount on it as the the person I bought it from was a main dealer in Asia and a client of my business partners law firm. I also had the misfortune of buying the mighty mouse. Thats going on eBay shortly. I will be buying an apple keyboard though, British layout of course. ;)

mmpanos
Jan 29, 2010, 12:42 PM
i have an uncle in usa he is going to buy my mac and put it on ebay (supposing he is salling it of course high price) anyway i buy it and then he can ship it to me in greece ..
what do you think is it a good idea ??
the imac i want, costs 2400 dollas that's 1700 euros
and the imac in greece costs more than 2500 euros

what do you think ?

should i do it or no (why)?

old-wiz
Jan 29, 2010, 03:03 PM
i have an uncle in usa he is going to buy my mac and put it on ebay (supposing he is salling it of course high price) anyway i buy it and then he can ship it to me in greece ..
what do you think is it a good idea ??
the imac i want, costs 2400 dollas that's 1700 euros
and the imac in greece costs more than 2500 euros

what do you think ?

should i do it or no (why)?

You still have to deal with customs and import taxes. Look at the previous responses in this thread. The governments aren't totally stupid - they watch for people trying to game the system. You might get away with it and you might get caught and be stuck with not only taxes but also a fine.

Macky-Mac
Jan 30, 2010, 12:31 PM
i have an uncle in usa he is going to buy my mac and put it on ebay (supposing he is salling it of course high price) anyway i buy it and then he can ship it to me in greece ..
what do you think is it a good idea ??
the imac i want, costs 2400 dollas that's 1700 euros
and the imac in greece costs more than 2500 euros

what do you think ?

should i do it or no (why)?

To ship it to you, the shipping company (post office, fedex, whoever) will require that he fill out a customs form and declare a value on it. You'll have to pay whatever taxes apply; VAT, customs, whatever, in order to receive it.

If he writes down a low but false value and then the package gets lost or stolen, you wont be able to recover the real value from insurance (which he better buy for something of that value)