Mac OS X 10.3.5 Now Available

[MacRumors]

Now available in your Software Update:
The 10.3.5 Update delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for Mac OS X v10.3 "Panther" and is recommended for all users.

Key enhancements include:
improved support for NTFS formatted volumes
improves reliability for user logins and mounting of home directories in a networked environment
updated ATI and NVIDIA graphics drivers
improved Bluetooth compatibility for Apple Wireless Keyboard and Mouse and Bluetooth phones
additional FireWire and USB device compatibility
improved font management
updated Mail and Image Capture applications
improved compatibility for third party applications
previous standalone security updates


For detailed information on this Update, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n25791
For detailed information on Security Updates, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n61798

[glennsan]

As much as I'd like to download this tonight and see what the latest and greatest is for the OS I think I will wait until this weekend and see if any problems are found first. (Remember iPhoto 4.0.2?)

[JohnGalt]

Now available in your Software Update:


I think I'll wait a day or so for you brave ones after the lil' iPhoto thing that's only what....a week old?

JG

[jxyama]

man, after the iPhoto debacle, i'm gonna wait a bit...

if you are willing and brave, please let us know if the update is alright! :D

[jby1chaos]

sweet...
But I wonder what the NTFS improvements do...

[AdamR01]

Yeah I wonder if the NTFS thing adds write support (probably not). It doesnt really matter I just reformatted my external hard drive FAT32 anyways.

[reckless_0001]

What is Safari's new build number?

and, what new devices (USB or FireWire) does it support?

[goof_ball]

Any update with the words 'improved reliabilty' is good in my books.

[Dr. Pookey]

Finally! I just hope it doesn't jack up my networking...

[powerhaus]

What is the Build on the official release?

[AdamR01]

Im downloading right now. Maybe Apple decided to release something to try to overshadow Windows XP SP2 being released for the general public :rolleyes: .

[stoid]

I think I'm going to wait until the Knowledge Base article on the update EXISTS!! :eek:

[reckless_0001]

What is the Build on the official release?


7M34

[trilogic]

What is Safari's new build number?

and, what new devices (USB or FireWire) does it support?

Safari 1.2.3 (v125.9)

Everything runs just fine on my TiBook.

[iMeowbot]

What is Safari's new build number?
1.2.3 (v125.9)
and, what new devices (USB or FireWire) does it support?
All the ones I had already worked :)

[hcuar]

Isn't it strange that Microsoft released XP SP2 to general downloading today and Apple released OS X 10.3.5?

[JohnGalt]

Now available in your Software Update:

I guess Apple didn't want to be outdone by Mr Softie's SP2 update announcement huh? lol

[ij3ffy]

Downloadin now.. don't think I'll wait, this update wasn't really expected, so I don't think it was rushed out like a lot of the other updates apple does. So I'm not too worried.

[macridah]

I'll wait until the weekend to install this update ... though I'm very tempted to install it just because. From now on, I usually go to the Apple support discussions and read what people have to say ( and this forum, too)

So keep posting you opinions on this forum, cuz I'm going to read as much as I can until my eyes get tired.

[stoid]

Anything on the updated graphics drivers?

[musicpyrite]

I think I'll wait a few days before I install, since I currently don't have a back up.

And I'll check the XBench scores after I install. 10.3.4 scored a 99.88.

[AdamR01]

I guess Apple didn't want to be outdone by Mr Softie's SP2 update announcement huh? lol

Something tells me the update wont be as exciting as SP2. Its made my day quite interesting so far.

[King Cobra]

I think I'm going to wait until the Knowledge Base article on the update EXISTS!!
LOL! I think Apple would put that together once the update is available over at: http://apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/ <-- that's where I'll download the update.

EDIT: Yikes, this is a fast moving thread. I'm outta here -- wait, first, nice job on cutting out the first post bullcrap from the thread, MudBug.

And, zoom, I'm outta here fast. :D

[jsw]

All is well (so far) on my G5 and on my 17" 800MHz iMac.

[reckless_0001]

RE: Newly supported devices...

I was wondering if there is a list of the new devices supported for USB and FW

[daveL]

Curious that the actual update size is half that of the last seed.

[Lancetx]

I'll give it a shot once the Combo updater shows up on Apple's website. It normally does within a few hours after the standard update shows up on software update.

[reckless_0001]

RE: Newly supported devices...

I was wondering if there is a list of the new devices supported for USB and FW

ie.. digital camera's, scanners....


you can't really tell from this list...
http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/cameras.html

[Ambrose Chapel]

well my uptime is 58 days, so i'll give this 2 days to see how it shakes out, then restart at a nice round 60.
:)

[iriejedi]

Maybe this explains the delay on my G5... not!

Well good luck to all you gamma testers... I'm still on the 8/20 VIP list....


10 meg to go .... 9 meg to go............8 meg to go

[SilentPanda]

More posts here too if you're looking for info:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83566

It's said iPhoto 2.0.1 is there too. That's not a typo either.

[AdamR01]

Curious that the actual update size is half that of the last seed.

Well i noticed when I installed it that it said Patching files during the install. I havent seen that before. If it patched the files instead of replacing them that would explain it.

[duce]

Trusting Apple on this one. Almost fully installed, will let you know.

[liketom]

so with it being 10.3.5 now and it also being a Tuesday tomorrow i wonder what will happen ?? o running sweet by the way

[SoGood]

So where's Safari 1.3? I thought it's going to be included with this update...

[DND82]

Just check software update and it also has a Security update. guess it was just added.

here it is:


Security Update 2004-08-09 delivers a number of security enhancements and is recommended for all Macintosh users. This update includes the following components:


libpng (Portable Network Graphics)


For detailed information on this Update, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n61798

[DWKlink]

Can't wait to install this on my brand new 2.5... oh wait, apple hasn't sent it to me yet... :rolleyes:

[AdamR01]

Just rebooted. All seems fine.

[sockeatingdryer]

Things are working fine on the 1.25 G4 eMac.

Edit: Also seems faster to me...! Those graphics drivers at work, maybe?

[stoid]

Yes, apparently the PNG graphics format had a buffer overflow error that allowed malicious code to be run on ANY system. This must be the fix! YAY

Just check software update and it also has a Security update. guess it was just added.

here it is:


Security Update 2004-08-09 delivers a number of security enhancements and is recommended for all Macintosh users. This update includes the following components:


libpng (Portable Network Graphics)


For detailed information on this Update, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n61798

[AdamR01]

Things are working fine on the 1.25 G4 eMac.

Edit: Also seems faster to me...! Those graphics drivers at work, maybe?

That or the placebo effect :D .

[autrefois]

I'll take the plunge and post to say whether I have any problems. (Closes eyes and crosses fingers)

I'm reassured to know that there are already a couple of successes (and no failures, at least before I pressed "reply"), but I definitely understand people being hesitant after iPhoto.

[stcanard]

Well I just took the plunge in a big way, and remotely updated my powerbook through an SSH connection (airport extreme connection), then rebooted it.

It did come back on the network and I can log in, so that's a good sign!

[bmull]

I was wondering if anyone could post after testing this update over a network. I'm hoping this repairs log in problems like advertised.

[nicely]

I hope this fixes my login troubles when mounting remote home directories. It claims that it will. 10.3.5 Server should be out within a few days...

[brooklyn]

I also have a Security Update Availible...

Security Update 2004-08-09 delivers a number of security enhancements and is recommended for all Macintosh users. This update includes the following components:


libpng (Portable Network Graphics)


For detailed information on this Update, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n61798

[applekid]

Here's to hoping to some better game frame rates. Downloading...

[liketom]

connecting to my e-mac seems quicker now ! maybe just me

[Grimace]

Software update Monday....

New/updated products on Tuesday!! :D

[Falleron]

Installed the update on 3 machines without any problems.

[kwajo.com]

connecting to my e-mac seems quicker now ! maybe just me

no you're right, networking is MUCH MUCH faster. this is the way it shoudl have been from the beginning :cool: access to my server is miles faster :D

[rhpenguin]

stuck at work till 11.... must download update!!!

[ipacmm]

downloading right now on all my mac's

[jxyama]

Things are working fine on the 1.25 G4 eMac.

Edit: Also seems faster to me...! Those graphics drivers at work, maybe?

it's probably because your machine went through the optimization process. something about pre-binding application extensions or something.

tends to quicken some stuff.

[cr2sh]

Yay! The final clue to the hidden features ipod mystery... although, I'm still, not sure what, exactly, it is.

This update gives me a reason to finally format my drive and do a fresh install.. I call it my "Summer Clearance." Everything must go!

[liketom]

also on me powerbook web seems a little faster in safari maybe it is the pre binding crap thats speeded it up ?

[mrzippy]

I also have a Security Update Availible...

Security Update 2004-08-09 delivers a number of security enhancements and is recommended for all Macintosh users. This update includes the following components:


libpng (Portable Network Graphics)


For detailed information on this Update, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n61798

Just tested the URL given on http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/ that shows this problem, it crashed Safari before the 10.3.5 update.

All seems OK now.

Test URL http://www.unsanity.org/rosyna/imgs/pngtest.png

[Balin64]

Bluetooth FIle Exchange now works better with Bluetooth-capable Hewlett-Packard printers.
Resolves an issue in which an application that's performing an asynchronous Bluetooth operation could quit unexpectedly, if the computer went to sleep before the data transfer was complete and the "Allow Bluetooth devices to wake this computer" preference setting was disabled.
Addresses an issue in which Bluetooth File Exchange could unexpectedly quit if you tried to copy several files but one or more of them already existed at the target location.
If you had difficulties connecting to the Internet with a Comcast cable modem and your account uses DHCP configuration (as opposed to PPPoE), then this update can help you connect more easily. If it doesn't, contact Comcast for further assistance. (An example of this issue would be that your computer can't get an IP address when connected to the cable modem, and your Network preferences are set to configure via DHCP.)
Improves the way Safari handles certain kinds of GIFs, including ones that could cause Safari to quit unexpectedly.
Reintroduces shorter server pathnames; the overall limit remains 89 characters, but now only 24 characters (instead of 39 with Mac OS X 10.3 through 10.3.4) are reserved for the beginning of the pathname. More...
Image Capture can now import MPEG-4 movies (.MP4) from compatible digital cameras.
Resolves a potential data loss issue after renaming a Mail mailbox file.
Addresses an issue for Mac OS X 10.3.4 in which Installer might unexpectedly quit when installing software that has a Japanese name.
Corrects an issue in which analog speakers connected to a PowerBook or iBook during sleep sometimes didn't produce sound after waking the computer.
Resolves an issue with Mac OS X 10.3.4 in which the internal microphones of some iBook (Dual USB) computers would not be available to applications or Sound preferences.
Allows the "Attach" button of Eudora version 6.0 and 6.0.1 to work as expected.
Improves support for NTFS-formatted volumes.
Updates the libpng (Portable Network Graphics) component.
Includes recent Security Updates.

[seamuskrat]

Just completed the 10.3.5 server update and security update.

All is fine. Nice smooth update and no issues so far.

[movabi]

I have had no problems with this update... I'm even using haxies and gui kits. :)

[GroundLoop]

Has anyone else repaired permissions since they installed? I must have have a thousand corrections. Has anyone else had this experience?

Hickman

[ZildjianKX]

I hope I get the same FPS as I did in OS 10.3.3... 10.3.4 was killer (in a bad way).

[mrzippy]

Has anyone else repaired permissions since they installed? I must have have a thousand corrections. Has anyone else had this experience?

Hickman

Nope, just 4 - see below:

Repairing permissions for “Macintosh HD”
Determining correct file permissions.
Symbolic link ./Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/NetServices/Frameworks/BDControl.framework/PrivateHeaders repaired
Symbolic link ./Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/NetServices/Frameworks/BDRuleEngine.framework/PrivateHeaders repaired
Symbolic link ./Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/NetServices/Frameworks/NetServices.framework/PrivateHeaders repaired
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./System/Library/Filesystems/cd9660.fs/cd9660.util. New permissions are 33261
The privileges have been verified or repaired on the selected volume

[MacFloyd G5]

Thus far, all is fine on my updated G5 and my iBook is still optimizing.

BTW, did anyone else notice the different sized installers for different Macs? (ie 20 MB difference between iBook G3 and G5 installers?)

[runeasgar]

no problems. 1.25 AlPowerBook 10.3.5

hoping this might help solve my problem with my m-audio audiophile usb.. we'll see when i get home. the last usb/firewire update helped significantly, maybe this will permanently solve the problem.

anyway, time for routine computer maintenance.. and file deletion.

[donniedarko]

I did a disk permission as I always do after installs-

Repairing permissions for “opi”
Determining correct file permissions.
Symbolic link ./Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/NetServices/Frameworks/BDControl.framework/PrivateHeaders repaired
Symbolic link ./Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/NetServices/Frameworks/BDRuleEngine.framework/PrivateHeaders repaired
Symbolic link ./Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/NetServices/Frameworks/NetServices.framework/PrivateHeaders repaired
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./System/Library/Filesystems/cd9660.fs/cd9660.util. New permissions are 33261
The privileges have been verified or repaired on the selected volume

Permissions repair complete

fyi...all else is good

[liketom]

ok installed , repaired permissions , running real sweet , working fine on powerbook G4 1.33 GHz and eMac 1.25 GHz all you people who are waiting i would say wait no longer - update now! and wait for the Product/Software update Tuesday !! hehe

sod it i'm off too bedfordshire , i'm tired night night all

[mikeyrogers]

Is the Moto V600 finally compatible? Does anyone know???

[Kingsnapped]

I'll give it a shot... here's hoping it likes my Moto V600 a little more...

[Dr. Pookey]

Good: My windows network is functioning flawlessly.
Bad: My computer is running UBER slow.

I don't know if it's going slow because it's just "getting used to" 10.3.5, or what... it sucks!!

[njmac]

everything is running fine so far on my 1Ghz 12" PB Book. I guess I will repair permissions now...

[GroundLoop]

I did a disk permission as I always do after installs-

Repairing permissions for “opi”
Determining correct file permissions.
Symbolic link ./Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/NetServices/Frameworks/BDControl.framework/PrivateHeaders repaired
Symbolic link ./Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/NetServices/Frameworks/BDRuleEngine.framework/PrivateHeaders repaired
Symbolic link ./Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/NetServices/Frameworks/NetServices.framework/PrivateHeaders repaired
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./System/Library/Filesystems/cd9660.fs/cd9660.util. New permissions are 33261
The privileges have been verified or repaired on the selected volume

Permissions repair complete

fyi...all else is good

I had those 4 as well...along with every single .plist file. All of them ere executable and should have been rw-r--r--. Ran the repair again and everything went well. But, I will let you guys know if I see any other weirdness. By the way, this happened on my 1.25GHz PB.

Hickman

[aswitcher]

So anyone hooked up a firewire drive yet and seen if it runs fine? ;)

[autrefois]

All seems fine here after installing on my Tibook. No problems (no noticed improvement either) after about 10 minutes.

I repaired permissions, but there were none to be repaired. I just did so after installing iPhoto (and there were a ton then), so maybe that's why.

The documentation says the updater updates Mail, so I looked and Mail's version is 1.3.9, © 2003. Is this the same version as before? Maybe "Resolves a potential data loss issue after renaming a Mail mailbox file" doesn't merit a new version number.

Now to install 10.3.5 on my Power Mac G4.

EDIT: On my PM before updating, Mail is version 1.3.8, ©2003. This means either
1) Apple fixed this last year and was keeping it from us all this time! :)
2) They forgot to update the copyright year.

[iJordan2004]

dang you people need to calm down about the iPhoto 4.0.2. that was a freak accident. i would hope apple would put a little more consideration in to a major OS update.

[TylerL]

Can anyone post the URL for the Server update Kbase article?

[Stella]

:->
Address Book now supports P900 without any hacking of pLists

[Flick1515]

Does any body know what's with the sizes of this update?
On one of my computers the update is 23.9 mb and on an other it's 43 mb.
My third computer showed both updates until it froze, now it just show the 23.9 mb update.

The first computer is a iBook G3 466 MHZ
The second computer is a iBook G4 1 GHZ
And the third computer is a PowerMac G4 (quicksilver) 933 MHZ

[achmafooma]

Thus far, all is fine on my updated G5 and my iBook is still optimizing.

BTW, did anyone else notice the different sized installers for different Macs? (ie 20 MB difference between iBook G3 and G5 installers?)
Whoa ... I hadn't noticed until you mentioned it.

10.3.5 is listed as 43mb on my iBook G3 (500mhz), only 22.8mb on my PowerMac G4 (733mhz). Weird.

Any ideas about this?

[Eprom]

On my Ti Powerbook 23.9 Mb. and on My 2.0 G5 43 Mb.
Weird.

[thogs_cave]

Installed on both my dual 1.8 G5 at work (4 RAM slot version), and my dual 2.0 (original release) at home via ssh. Both are working fine. I'll have a chance to pound the one at work for networking, as we are heavy on NFS, NIS, and automounts.

[njmac]

I ran the repair permissions but there were none to repair. So far everything seems to be the same on my PB.

[lou tsee]

smoooth update so far.
system: G5 2GHz (rev.a), 2.5 G ram.
AFP-networking seems faster (connecting to servers).

[weezer160]

So far so good. Does seem a little snappier than 10.3.4. :cool:

[autrefois]

On my Ti Powerbook 23.9 Mb. and on My 2.0 G5 43 Mb.
Weird.

It's 22.9 MB on my Power Mac G4 (MDD). Don't remember for sure on my Tibook, but it could have been 23.9 MB. It was somewhere in that ballpark.

[eric_n_dfw]

dang you people need to calm down about the iPhoto 4.0.2. that was a freak accident. i would hope apple would put a little more consideration in to a major OS update.Yeah, like that upgrade to 10.2 last year that was perfect. Oh wait, no, it nuked onboard ethernet on my (and many people's) PowerMac G4 500. :mad:

What was that, 10.2.8? I remember having to re-install 10.2 and upgrade to the prior revision (10.2.7 I believe) - only for Apple to fix it all a day later!

I'm waiting a week, the PNG exploit only causes the viewing application (ie Safari) to crash - unlike Windows.

[hardchemist]

I installed the update on my main HD and then also on my "utilities" HD, which is bare bones OSX. The main HD updated with the bigger file, and the "utilities" HD updated with the smaller 10.3.5 file. Perhaps which installer (big or small) depends on some pre-existing file that is found on the HD. If missing then default to smaller install file. Waddayathink? :)

[AuPhalanx]

I did the updates: iPhoto, OS X, and the Security patch. All is going well. I have an 800-MHZ iBook G3. The only thing that sucks is that my uptime was at 35 days. Oh, well...

Have fun... Tony.

[eric_n_dfw]

Kind of funny for me, my new iBook 1.2Ghz 14" arrived today - it spent the first hour of it's life installing 12 updates in the Software Updater. Luckily, 10.3.4 was what I got. Now I can wait 'till next week and let you brave souls be the testers!

[jenniff]

Whoa ... I hadn't noticed until you mentioned it.

10.3.5 is listed as 43mb on my iBook G3 (500mhz), only 22.8mb on my PowerMac G4 (733mhz). Weird.

Any ideas about this?

Nice little article (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25799) entitled "Mac OS X: Software update sizes can vary"

Where it states:
The sizes of software updates can vary for computers running Mac OS X 10.3.4 or later. This is a feature of Software Update, which automatically detects the best update for your computer.

[jdogg707]

Update works extremely well with my External FW400 HD and FW400 DVD Burner. Also no problems with my thumb drive.

[kwajo.com]

my firewire 800 drive shows up again, after it had been oddly having trouble the last few days. and i was hoping during that time that an updat to 10.3.5 was coming so it would come back :P

[stoid]

Since this update includes all past Security updates, the size may change depending on whether or not you have the previous updates installed.

[mkrishnan]

So what's the deal with iPhoto 2.0.1? Strange to release an ugprade now, no?

Also can anyone refresh my memory? I tried searching for it and I couldn't find it.

Is it like this:

iPhoto 2 was the last free version

iPhoto 3 was released with iLife '04, with 4 and beyond as free upgrades to 3 but not 2?

I thought I remembered a previous upgrade, but I guess I'm thinking of iMovie 3....

[gMac]

43mb for my iMac G4 800mhz.

[Butler Trumpet]

Just installed, and it works great. Even better actually... I have a few things in my startup items that need the network. Before, they launched before airport started... thus they didnt get on until i restarted the program or whatever... now airport starts up first and they work with out me doing anything. Yay for that!!!!

[JohnGillilan]

Hadn't we heard that 10.3.5 was going to bring a significant update to the OS in terms of some new features?? It seems like it is no different than any other 10.3.x update -- it just fixes a list of problems that I never knew were broken . . .

[aswitcher]

Whoa ... I hadn't noticed until you mentioned it.

10.3.5 is listed as 43mb on my iBook G3 (500mhz), only 22.8mb on my PowerMac G4 (733mhz). Weird.

Any ideas about this?

Yeah 43MB for my PB + 5.something meg security update

[stoid]

Hadn't we heard that 10.3.5 was going to bring a significant update to the OS in terms of some new features?? It seems like it is no different than any other 10.3.x update -- it just fixes a list of problems that I never knew were broken . . .

Actually that'll be 10.3.6 and it's due out..... Any-Day-Now™ ;)

[Flying Llama]

Not so great for me. Installed the update, shutdown and then turn it on. I got the usual grey apple with the spinning thing underneath for awhile. Then, the grey apple turned into a grey "do not enter sign". Held the power then rebooted. Same thing. Opened the cd tray with a pin and stared with it open, worked fine... weird.

I've got an iBook G3/800Mgz/14"/Combo Drive

[MacFan26]

All's well on my TiBook :)

[g.money]

Yes! It's about time.

My internal mic finally works again. Lotsa iBook dual usb users were having problems with this. Just installed and we're back to long distance audio iChat with the folks! woohoo

Bye bye LD bills...

[bleachthru]

There was no iPhoto 3, Apple went straight to iPhoto 4, with iLife, from the free iPhoto 2. I have often wondered what happened to to iPhoto 3.

[MacFan26]

Then, the grey apple turned into a grey "do not enter sign". Held the power then rebooted. Same thing. Opened the cd tray with a pin and stared with it open, worked fine... weird.
Woah, I've never seen that sign on a startup before. Has anyone else seen that?? Is this supposed to be the new version of the "broken folder" icon?Weird it worked with the cd tray open...

[Kingsnapped]

No iSync love for my Motorola V600.

...wanders off to wait for 10.3.6

[kwikdeth]

Woah, I've never seen that sign on a startup before. Has anyone else seen that?? Is this supposed to be the new version of the "broken folder" icon?Weird it worked with the cd tray open...

this icon appears most often when an install goes wrong (at least, that's the only time I've ever seen it)

[PrometheusG5]

I like being on the bleeding edge. I've downloaded and installed. No issues at all.

[macabre]

After the ATI hotfix for 10.3.3, there was no solution for the blocky artifacts in 10.3.4 for retail 9800pro cards and Apple DVD player. This update appears to have fixed the problem. Super stoked!

[sgwigle3]

Ok so did anyone else mac crash straight after downloading the update?! Cause I got the scary grey screen with the restart button!!! Scared the hell out of me. So restarted, took a little longer to wake the baby up, but all seems fine now. Phew! Those updates always scare me, but I'll keep doing it, like drinking too much.

[King Cobra]

iPhoto 3 was released with iLife '04, with 4 and beyond as free upgrades to 3 but not 2
I don't recall there ever being a version 3 of iPhoto. I remember version 1(.1.1), version 2, and then the jump to version 4 upon the release of iLife '04.

[mikeyrogers]

No iSync love for my Motorola V600.

...wanders off to wait for 10.3.6

Yeah, just noticed that, myself...What the hell is going on Apple? I thought you and Motorola were best of buds now, all of a sudden. Don't you want to get on their good side and actually support the popular phones?

[ssnmx]

I did the updates: iPhoto, OS X, and the Security patch. All is going well. I have an 800-MHZ iBook G3. The only thing that sucks is that my uptime was at 35 days. Oh, well...

Have fun... Tony.

ahem... what is "uptime", and why is it important?

:o

[micvog]

Installed and no problems on a rev. C 12" PB. Download was 43MB for .5 and 5MB for the PNG fix.

[supafly1703]

The update size varies with whether u have a desktop or laptop? Just wondering....

[iMeowbot]

So what's the deal with iPhoto 2.0.1? Strange to release an ugprade now, no?
The only real change was the addition of AAC support, and the update menu item that 4.0 also received.

It does feed into my evil conspiracy theory that Apple are going to bring out a new product based on the iPod platform -- not necessarily an iPod per se, but a somewhat larger thingy with a color screen that can work with iPhoto and fill in the missing remote control functionality for AirTunes. I think it will be something that an iPod can slide into, one would think that there must be some purpose behind the extra functions in the mini and 4G chipsets.

[King Cobra]

ahem... what is "uptime", and why is it important?
Uptime means the period in which your computer has been on and has not been rebooted or shut down. It's important to those with some competitive desire to see how long they can keep their computer on, even if it means putting it to sleep, which is usually a bad idea, since more and more problems build up on your machine quicker unless you restart it. It's a pointless and unimportant competition to me.

The only reason I see uptime being seriously important is if your computer is a network or server host.

[Kingsnapped]

ahem... what is "uptime", and why is it important?

:o

Uptime is how long you have been up and running. You get it by typing "uptime" in the terminal (I think).


and iMeowBot: I know I'm a bit late, but congrats on the 'tar.

[Nejja Halcyon]

Uptime is the time (usually days) that your computer has been going without shutting down (usually because of a crash). Now, because I have a powerbook, I usually have a 1-2 day uptime. DARN YOU COMAS :mad: :mad: .

Does anyone know a solution to that? Or did they fix it in 10.3.5? I'm going to restart for the update now, and will give my report.

Nejja Halcyon

EDIT: Man, I'm slow. 2 people posted an answer ahead of me. Oh well, maybe I should've registered months ago :o

[Flying Llama]

Ok so did anyone else mac crash straight after downloading the update?! Cause I got the scary grey screen with the restart button!!! Scared the hell out of me. So restarted, took a little longer to wake the baby up, but all seems fine now. Phew! Those updates always scare me, but I'll keep doing it, like drinking too much.

If I understood you correctly, I beleive you got what is called a kernal panic. I got that a couple times in the past, and the first time scared the heck out of me!

[MattG]

Eh what the hell...I'M GOIN FOR IT!

[danbalsh]

Installed fine on my 800Mhz iMac G4.

It even kept my Safari 1.3 install :eek:

[fuge]

Yeah, just noticed that, myself...What the hell is going on Apple? I thought you and Motorola were best of buds now, all of a sudden. Don't you want to get on their good side and actually support the popular phones?

I think 10.3.5 is the beginning. I'm hoping that iSync 1.5 comes tomorrow with support for my Motorola v710.

[markoibook]

Installed on iBook G3 and all working fine. Update weighed in at 22.9MB

Bit of a shame though - there goes 47 days uptime :P

[Flying Llama]

Installed fine on my 800Mhz iMac G4.

It even kept my Safari 1.3 install :eek:

How did you get Safari 1.3??? :eek:

[AliensAreFuzzy]

Anyone install on a G4 iBook yet?
Waiting to update my brother's...

[PCheese]

My ADB keyboard (you know, the good old classic Apple ones) doesn't seem to work anymore. I have a Blue and White G3, so I dug out the miniature USB keyboard that came with it, and that works fine. By the way, I can start up my computer from the keyboard using the power key, but no other keyboard input works after I get to the login window.

Then again, I got a kernel panic while Software Update was installing 10.3.5, so maybe it didn't complete the install correctly (although I haven't had any other trouble so far). I'm hoping it was during the optimization step. The kernel panic was not because of the install, I was messing around in my computer, don't ask, I know I was being stupid.

Maybe I can use the Combo updater to reinstall 10.3.5 once it comes out, and I'll keep you updated as to whether my problem is fixed.

[emotion]

all fine on my rev c 12" powerbook

[mkrishnan]

The only real change was the addition of AAC support, and the update menu item that 4.0 also received.

It does feed into my evil conspiracy theory that Apple are going to bring out a new product based on the iPod platform -- not necessarily an iPod per se, but a somewhat larger thingy with a color screen that can work with iPhoto and fill in the missing remote control functionality for AirTunes. I think it will be something that an iPod can slide into, one would think that there must be some purpose behind the extra functions in the mini and 4G chipsets.

Thanks, KC, Bleachthru, iMeowbot, for setting me straight on iPhoto... :)

Hmmm...iPainting. Hang it on the wall, use AirTunes to push art to it. Just needs a way to keep it powered for relatively long periods of times, since a power supply is kinda a PITA. :D

Actually, when one of the Mac magazines had that how to, to make such a thing using an old laptop, I was a little tempted....Maybe I should just score an old Win 15" laptop and put it to some good use. ;)

[joeboy_45101]

Anyone install on a G4 iBook yet?
Waiting to update my brother's...

Yeah! Put it on my 14' iBook G4 earlier and everything is running fine.

[Littleodie914]

Yea, I've also installed flawlessly on a G4 iBook. I haven't had much of a chance to tinker with it, but so far I've noticed a MUCH faster and stable wireless network connection with my PC (my 2 macs have always been friendly, but that 3rd guy...). Off to game! I'll be back with an update on any performance drops/increases. Be brave! It's safe! :D

[phonic pol]

All's well on my PB 1.33.

[MattG]

Everything's good on my 15" AlBook.

[Littleodie914]

Woo hoo!! Here I am again with a small notification... Warcraft 3 is faster! I haven't ran any fps benchmarks (how would I do this on a mac anyways?), but I can tell you that I've been playing this on my iBook for months now, and I can DEFINITELY notice a difference... The cursor moves smoother, and units don't choke up the game as much... What else is there to look for? Off to Medal of Honor and Rainbow Six for more (hopefully) surprises. I'll be back! ;)

[frenetic]

updated on my pb 1,33 Ghz and all seems fine, no extra permissions to repair but I also do not see anything changed... Will do some more testing later on though...

[ericmooreart]

I'm installing 10.3.5 as I type this. I like to live on the wild side! I'm sure it won't cripple my machine.

Unlike the XP updates on my PeeCee. Down for a week. :mad:

[broken_keyboard]

updated ATI and NVIDIA graphics drivers

NVidia GeForce 6800 support?

[Littleodie914]

NVidia GeForce 6800 support? I'd imagine so... Unless Apple plans on releasing 10.3.6 within the next couple weeks :eek:

[Littleodie914]

On average, when outside, on my iBook (see sig), I get anywhere from 20-30 fps running at high quality, 1024x768, and around 40-50 fps when inside. I don't have any numbers from versions prior to the update, but I'm quite positive they weren't that high... It just FEELS smoother :D

(Anybody else have any thoughts concerning gaming performance? Possibly with more credible evidence?)

[MattG]

I'm installing 10.3.5 as I type this. I like to live on the wild side! I'm sure it won't cripple my machine.

Unlike the XP updates on my PeeCee. Down for a week. :mad:

Hehe maybe I should take your post as a sign...I'm downloading Win XP SP2 from Microsoft's TechNet site as I write this. Maybe I should wait a while :rolleyes:

[neoelectronaut]

Yeah 43MB for my PB + 5.something meg security update

22.9 for my eMac (1Ghz, Radeon 7500)

[Elan0204]

It's always good to see an update, but I still think I'll wait a few days before I go ahead and install it (if I can control myself, that is). I'm a bit disappointed that the update wasn't as exciting as some of the appleinsider rumors suggested it would be, though.

[Perushka]

I just installed the update on me 600 mhz G3 iMac w/640 RAM. then I ran Xbench. I scored 49.37-thats about four points better than my previous score. :D I would have done better had I optimized my HD; the hard disk section scored considerabley lower than last test

[football751]

I installed it on my 1.2 ghz G4 iBook w/ 768 mb RAM, and have had no problems. For all you waiting, I think it is now safe to download it. I know you are all worried after iPhoto 4.0.2, but we can't be scared forever. Apple came out w/ 4.0.3, whhich fixed the problem, within a week. I personally never had any problems w/ 4.0.2, but I know a lot of people did. My system now feels a lot faster w/ 10.3.5, and my wireless signal seems a little more stable. I would say all is good, and it is now safe to install.

[sluthy]

My SWU says I can use the 23MB "delta" download as Apple calls it. Can anyone think of a way I can download this smaller version as a standalone at all, so I can download it at work instead of my connection at home (therefore saving 2.3% of my monthly allowance)? Then again, if I'm using work's bandwidth, I might as well get the whole combo enchilada, shouldn't I?

BTW, what's this about XP SP2? When was that released? That's big news...finally...

[King Cobra]

My SWU says I can use the 23MB "delta" download as Apple calls it. Can anyone think of a way I can download this smaller version as a standalone at all, so I can download it at work instead of my connection at home
Wait a few days, or a week (or three) or so, and Apple will have it up here: www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/

[wdlove]

My wife updated her 15" PowerBook G4. She says that it is running great. No problems noticed.

[mkrishnan]

One more iBook G4/800 (12"), updated no probs. Anyone catch what's new, if anything, in Mail? GRRR, I still have that stupid junk mail folder problem where I get phantom junk mails (the drawer icons says JUNK (4) but there are no messages in the folder)....

[juicyapple]

i updated and it xbenched two points higher from 115 to 117. I have a 12" 60gb hd 256 ram 1.33ghz powerbook. What is xbench scaled on? Like whats the highest and whats the lowest? Other than that I dont notice any other differences.

[MattG]

BTW, what's this about XP SP2? When was that released? That's big news...finally...

I don't think it's available to the general public yet. I'm downloading it through my MS Rechnet account. It's 266 megs! It's the full network install. It says on their website that there will be a smaller download available through Windows Update shortly, and that it'll be much smaller.

But anyway...kudos to Apple on their update. Seems like with every update, my computers run faster and faster!

[juicyapple]

I installed it on my 1.2 ghz G4 iBook w/ 768 mb RAM, and have had no problems. For all you waiting, I think it is now safe to download it. I know you are all worried after iPhoto 4.0.2, but we can't be scared forever. Apple came out w/ 4.0.3, whhich fixed the problem, within a week. I personally never had any problems w/ 4.0.2, but I know a lot of people did. My system now feels a lot faster w/ 10.3.5, and my wireless signal seems a little more stable. I would say all is good, and it is now safe to install.

my wireless signal was at is fluctuating between three bars and two bars. It used to just stay at two.

[jby1chaos]

does anyone have the problem of connecting to a smb share and clicking quickly on the volume in the sidebar and having the finder crash... i dont remember this on 10.3.4, but then again i didnt connect that many times to smb shares...

[jdogg707]

I don't think it's available to the general public yet. I'm downloading it through my MS Rechnet account. It's 266 megs! It's the full network install. It says on their website that there will be a smaller download available through Windows Update shortly, and that it'll be much smaller.

But anyway...kudos to Apple on their update. Seems like with every update, my computers run faster and faster!

It's officially available from MS now, even though the server is being slammed. I downloaded and installed yesterday, it's a pretty nice update, but I foresee a ton of Firewall/Security related issues stemming from it, because people not smart enough to protect there PC in the first place, won't have an idea of how to use it once protected. I will say that IE seems a bit faster and the Pop-Up blocker works well, but I still like Firefox better.

[Dale Sorel]

It even kept my Safari 1.3 install :eek:

Me too... though I was hoping 10.3.5 would have the 10.3 final :cool:

[CubaTBird]

apples support site still shows' 10.3.4 and plus the links to the docs don't work...

[ZildjianKX]

My G5's fans won't shut off when it goes into sleep mode now... anyone else have this problem?!? :mad:

[Horrortaxi]

Nothing to report, good or bad, on my MDD. I'm going to apply the update to my other Macs. Bye Bye uptime. :(

[beatle888]

the window animation when you open a folder seams extremely fast now. i havent repaired permissions either. this makes me think they tweaked some finder interface animations.

[alex06]

Hi,
I did some benchmarking with Cinebench 2003 before and after the update.
A few points better... :)

[Counterfit]

Updating my parent's old skool iMac now. 22.9MB there. It showed as 43MB on my PB, but I saw someone with an eMac say theirs was 22.9MB too, so there goes my G3/G4 theory...
Anyways, I'm gonna wait a bit to install it on here, because I wanna watch some anime RIGHT FREAKIN' NOW! :D

[ericmooreart]

I installed it on my PB 867mhz and my g4 400 (yikes) machine. Finder dosen't stall anymore after you try to access a disconected server, and my airport has a stronger signal. I noticed a speed bump as well. The real test is tomorrow at work with the g5 1.6 on a PeeCee network

[jettredmont]

Yes, apparently the PNG graphics format had a buffer overflow error that allowed malicious code to be run on ANY system. This must be the fix! YAY

Correction:

The PNG graphics format handling code which is freely available contained a buffer overrun hole. Buffer overrun holes can on some systems be used to run malicious code, or to corrupt other process's memory. I haven't heard that this particular hole posed any threat to OS X's memory structure. Plus, of course, a virus exploiting a fairly uncommon hole and aiming at a fairly uncommon platform (PPC at the least) is not anywhere near the level of peril our Windows-using brethren laugh at in their sleep.

[Soto]

Okay, so my Software Update (for my 12" PowerBook 1Ghz) shows:
10.3.5 43.0 MB
10.3.5 22.9 MB
Security Update 5.3MB

Is this normal? Which should I choose first? Or should I install all three?

[fflipper]

I dont have a phone that supports this but over at MobileWhack (http://www.mobilewhack.com/networking/bluetooth/macosx10_3_5_bluetooth_remote.html) they noticed this new little tool in the 10.3.5 update.

"Mac OS 10.3.5 has a number of interesting items in it, but one of the most interesting is the built-in Bluetooth Remote Control functionality. Users of Salling Clicker and other applications have been enjoying the cool factor and useful aspects of having a mobile phone act as a remote control as well as other cool tricks."

[~Shard~]

Nice, I wasn't expecting this update so soon! Installed and working fine on my 17" 1.25 GHz iMac... :cool:

[PCheese]

My ADB keyboard (you know, the good old classic Apple ones) doesn't seem to work anymore.
...
Maybe I can use the Combo updater to reinstall 10.3.5 once it comes out, and I'll keep you updated as to whether my problem is fixed.

Hehe, I reinstalled 10.3.5 and the keyboard works now, false alarm. I did have to re-enable Quartz Extreme on a PCI graphics card though, that setting was reset by the update.

[aswitcher]

I installed fine. Airport might be acting a bit better/stronger with my AX.
No other decernable improvements.

[mklos]

Has anyone else repaired permissions since they installed? I must have have a thousand corrections. Has anyone else had this experience?

Hickman

You should be repairing your permissions BEFORE and AFTER you do any kind of OS Update. This is why you probably experienced so many repairs. Not repairing permissions before you apply the update is the reason a lot of people experience trouble after applying the update. Then of course, the idiots blame Apple when it was the users fault!

[mklos]

Hehe, I reinstalled 10.3.5 and the keyboard works now, false alarm. I did have to re-enable Quartz Extreme on a PCI graphics card though, that setting was reset by the update.

I didn't think you could use an ADB keyboard with Mac OS X. Unless you have the Griffith iMate thingy which converts ADB to USB????

[Adamki2000]

10.3.5 also seems to have made it possible for Safari to now correctly recognize and download files compressed in Aladdin's Stuffit .sitx format. Yay!!!

[wdlove]

You should be repairing your permissions BEFORE and AFTER you do any kind of OS Update. This is why you probably experienced so many repairs. Not repairing permissions before you apply the update is the reason a lot of people experience trouble after applying the update. Then of course, the idiots blame Apple when it was the users fault!

I waited to see how others faired. Now have downloaded the updates and run the repair permissions utiltiy successfully. Thank you for mentioning this very important part of updating software on Mac OS X. Always good to keep them well managed.

[reorx]

Update seems fine on my 1.5 PowerBook... The SMB shares still go away after my machine wakes from sleep though.

Grr. I'm guess I'm going to have to set up NFS mount points on my Linux server...

[AliensAreFuzzy]

You should be repairing your permissions BEFORE and AFTER you do any kind of OS Update. This is why you probably experienced so many repairs. Not repairing permissions before you apply the update is the reason a lot of people experience trouble after applying the update. Then of course, the idiots blame Apple when it was the users fault!

Well, truly, you shouldn't have to repair permissions manually at all. Most users probably wouldn't think to, or know how to repair permissions. Thus there should be some sort of automatic permission repairing feature.

Or I could be completely wrong. I haven't installed an OS update yet on my brother's iBook.

[NeoMayhem]

Repairing permissions isn't all that necessary. I screw with system files and permissions more then anybody and never have issues.

[jasonbw]

You should be repairing your permissions BEFORE and AFTER you do any kind of OS Update. This is why you probably experienced so many repairs. Not repairing permissions before you apply the update is the reason a lot of people experience trouble after applying the update. Then of course, the idiots blame Apple when it was the users fault!

actually, i run repair permissions after every update, but i got this too (mostly in imovie). but honestly, it seems a bit much to be expected to do this everytime, especially for the casual user.

If apple really wanted it done, you'd think they'd make it officially part of the upgrade process, and have it run automatically.

[BWhaler]

I'm hoping this release has all sorts of hidden goodies to support the new products at the end of the month.

of course, if it's just a bug release, that's great too. Panther is very solid for me at this point, accept for idisk syncing.

[MikeBike]

However, this update hasn't raised my XBench scores.
130, previously 133.49. Probably have some service running that I didn't before...

I have Energy setting set to: Highest Possible Performance.

[blueBomber]

this might sound kinda loopy, but I've noticed that minimizing to the dock seems MUCH faster now. And also expose seems much smoother with lots of windows open. I wouldn't of noticed, but a friend of mine just bought a rev C 12" PB and was comparing it to my rev B 12". We just putzed around on them to see where his faster processor and more video ram was noticable. And there were noticable differences in video speed (especially in UT2k4). After installing 10.3.5, it seems that everything that has to do with QuartzXtreme and OpenGL is just faster... it's awesome.

[skinEman23]

I dont have a phone that supports this but over at MobileWhack (http://www.mobilewhack.com/networking/bluetooth/macosx10_3_5_bluetooth_remote.html) they noticed this new little tool in the 10.3.5 update.

"Mac OS 10.3.5 has a number of interesting items in it, but one of the most interesting is the built-in Bluetooth Remote Control functionality. Users of Salling Clicker and other applications have been enjoying the cool factor and useful aspects of having a mobile phone act as a remote control as well as other cool tricks."

Awesome, this'll be great when I get my new Sony Ericsson T637!

[appleface]

new imacs are to have 5.1 surround sound and use moto phones for remote controls. i made it up, but the next quicktime comes with 5.1 surround according to appleinsider, and the current panther update allows the remote control phone option according to this thread.

[appleface]

is anyone else excited for the new imacs and what tiger might bring to them?

[skinEman23]

My GE mini optical mouse still doesnt work :(

[ryanw]

My 700MHz G3 iBook works awesome with 10.3.5. The placebo and reality distortion field is in full force tonight!

[Phaeox]

my 1ghz eMac has successfully installed 10.3.5 and is running at almost exactly the same speed. I'm fairly new to Apple, but is it normal for them not to notify people aboutupdates on their website!?

[goof_ball]

My display setting was reset!!!! Now it doesn't seem to have the same setting as I had before.....

Oops....I think I found the same one...or a similar setting. But I wonder why it was reset.

[weezer160]

I've noticed that Safari scrolls a lot better, even with smooth scrolling on.
Magnification on the dock (just testing, not my normal settings) is a lot smoother. :)

[Renko31]

I just checked the Bluetooth preferences on 10.3.5 and it doesn't have the remote control function option for my Sony Ericsson T68i. So I'll just have to continue using Salling Clicker.

While I'm here, does anyone know why the bluetooth connection between my phone and PB drops off so easily?

[jby1chaos]

my 1ghz eMac has successfully installed 10.3.5 and is running at almost exactly the same speed. I'm fairly new to Apple, but is it normal for them not to notify people aboutupdates on their website!?
Normally Apple runs updates through system update first and then makes a knowledge base document second. Just set the update feature to run periodically and then you should be set for anything you may miss. I visit websites like macnn and macrumors to keep myself informed about the new developments in the Apple universe.

[ariza910]

Does anyone know if this update adds support for Dual Layer DVD-Rs in OSX?

currently the OSX finder does not recognize the Dual Layer DVD-R format.

[melgross]

I didn't think you could use an ADB keyboard with Mac OS X. Unless you have the Griffith iMate thingy which converts ADB to USB????

The ADB keyboard works with all Macs that have built-in ADB support in the ROM, which means that if you have the ADB socket on your machine, it will work.

The B&W was the last machine to have both ADB and USB.

[Analog Kid]

You should be repairing your permissions BEFORE and AFTER you do any kind of OS Update. This is why you probably experienced so many repairs. Not repairing permissions before you apply the update is the reason a lot of people experience trouble after applying the update. Then of course, the idiots blame Apple when it was the users fault!
No, it is certainly not the user's fault... OS X is supposed to hide the Unix layer from the average user-- they shouldn't even be aware of the concept of "permissions" beyond knowing that there are things they can access and things they can't. Most broken permissions were not changed by the user in the first place. Repair permissions is a cover for a problem that Apple hasn't found an elegant solution for yet.

The installer should have root permissions, so it shouldn't be affected by the state of the permissions before it runs. Having to run repair permissions before installing would indicate a fault at Apple.

If you have repaired permissions before you install and then have to do it again after you install the only thing that could have broken them is the installer and thus is also Apple's fault.

Non-install related misbehavior is usually the fault of other applications. Only folks who play at the terminal can really break permissions in a way I consider to be their fault...

[broken_keyboard]

Repairing permissions isn't all that necessary. I screw with system files and permissions more then anybody and never have issues.

I agree... I hardly ever repair perms and everything works fine. I just did it once or twice a long time ago to see what it was.

[ChrisH3677]

Repair permissions??? What's that? I run Panther. :D

Repair permissions was something I did at least weekly on Jaguar.

I think I've done it... umm... twice in 6 month since going to Panther. I think i've only ever done it for one update (prob 10.3.1)

I haven't heard of anyone with RP related probs since Panther.

[JFreak]

No, it is certainly not the user's fault... OS X is supposed to hide the Unix layer from the average user-- they shouldn't even be aware of the concept of "permissions" beyond knowing that there are things they can access and things they can't. Most broken permissions were not changed by the user in the first place. Repair permissions is a cover for a problem that Apple hasn't found an elegant solution for yet.

unix runs maintenance scripts in the nighttime, but not all users leave their computers on all the time. this is mostly an issue for laptop users, but some others may very well be affected.

one possible solution would be to add a specialized service that tracks "hours of use" and runs such scripts after the system has been used X hours - this of course would likely confuse user because the maintenance script would almost certainly be run just when the user has more important work to do, thus the user would recognize a severe slowdown wondering what it might be, and possibly rebooting while maintenance script is run. not a good thing.

so far in panther it has been 95% ok just to let os updaters do the prebinding and not worry about the permissions. apple could however add the permission repair script to their os installer, too, if they would see that it will help. in my opinion things are quite well with panther, except that firewire performance in pro audio applications is much worse than in jaguar...

[JFreak]

anyone with a 15" powerbook who has already upgraded to 10.3.5 could you check if you can switch resolution to 1280x720 (720p hdtv)? i cannot upgrade yet because digidesign has not yet authorized protools under the 10.3.5 but would like to know if my feature request has been implemented :)

(i have a 1280x720 video projector and it would be so nice if apple supported that resolution natively. currently i have to use switchX but would like to get rid of it, as all system hacks have a potential to make my audio workstation less stable.)

[Windowlicker]

installed on 8 computers (pbook 15" & 17", ibook 12", emac 1,25, imac 20", rev B 1.8 G5, tibook 500mhz) and works like a charm.. this is nice to know because I left two computers installing it at home when I left to work this morning.. if things went wrong here, I might have some bad time going back home in the evening.

[Applespider]

Awesome, this'll be great when I get my new Sony Ericsson T637!

Or maybe not. A later comment on Mobilewhack suggests that it currently only works with the new Sony Ericsson k700 (out now) and s700 (not yet out)

[neon]

running nicely here at work, on an imac, a g4 powermac, and a g5 :)

[broken_keyboard]

I hate this evil update - it has changed the fan behaviour on my G5 for the worse. On 10.3.4, if the fans needed to spin up, they would spin up and stay up which was fine. Now there is some kind of micromanagement goign on. Up, down, up and down. e.g. I am playing UT2004 and I look at a complicated scene - up come the fans, I look at the ground - the fans spin down. How freakin' annoying...

Also anyone out there with Call of Duty - does the dock and menu stay visible when playing now? Thanks

[displaced]

unix runs maintenance scripts in the nighttime, but not all users leave their computers on all the time. this is mostly an issue for laptop users, but some others may very well be affected.

There's very very little badness that can be caused by not running these scripts. Take a look at the 'daily' 'weekly' and 'monthly' scripts in /etc/. They do little more than rotate your logfiles (archive older logs, and start new ones). At the very best, you'll gain a few hundred KB or a couple of MB of hard disk space by ensuring the scripts are run. They have zero effect on the stability/speed of your Mac. These scripts run when the machine's fully booted. So, it's impossible for them to do anything useful like repair filesystem errors -- that's done by fsck early in the boot process.

one possible solution would be to add a specialized service that tracks "hours of use" and runs such scripts after the system has been used X hours

The scheduler that OS X ships with is 'cron'. There's another scheduler called 'anacron' that does exactly what you're suggesting. For the neat-freaks out there, there's guides around on how to replace X's cron with anacron.

so far in panther it has been 95% ok just to let os updaters do the prebinding and not worry about the permissions. apple could however add the permission repair script to their os installer, too, if they would see that it will help. in my opinion things are quite well with panther

Agreed. I've had Repair Permissions fix a couple of oddities every now and then (well, maybe twice since the feature appeared). Preferably, I'd like both Apple and 3rd parties to be a little more careful with their installers in order to make sure that permissions don't get trampled on in the first place :)

[Porchland]

Does anyone know if this update adds support for Dual Layer DVD-Rs in OSX?

currently the OSX finder does not recognize the Dual Layer DVD-R format.

I would expect that's a hardware thing.

[manu chao]

Just a thought, over the last three years (i.e. with Puma, Jaguar and Panther) the point updates (10.x.x) came pretty much every two month (not counting 10.2.7), there are deviations like 10.3.1 (one month) and now 10.3.5 (three months) but the average is pretty much exactly two months.

At this rate we are going to have 10.3.9 next April, which would be just in time to release 10.4 in May or June. But if they have to do something like 10.2.7 or 10.3.1 (which fixed the urgent firewire and FileVault problems) they might run out of numbers. :D

[JFreak]

they might run out of numbers. :D

no they don't, at least not very likely (as that would require a version number larger than ten-dot-three-dot-2^32). they can have for example panther version 10.3.999999 if they like, but that too is not very likely. you might however have quite a good guess in 10.3.9 being the last panther version, but there's no reason why there couldn't be a 10.3.10 release.

(i think tiger will be around even longer than panther, so we might see a +10 minor version number with that cat.)

[GroundLoop]

You should be repairing your permissions BEFORE and AFTER you do any kind of OS Update. This is why you probably experienced so many repairs. Not repairing permissions before you apply the update is the reason a lot of people experience trouble after applying the update. Then of course, the idiots blame Apple when it was the users fault!

But, I did repair my permissions directly after I installed iPhoto 4.0.3. which was the day before yesterday. Everything was fine then. The system seems to be running just fine so far. It was just weird that every single .plisy file had the incorrect permissions. Which update did all of you other 15" 1.25GHz PowerBook owners get?

Hickman

[geeman]

"Mac OS 10.3.5 has a number of interesting items in it, but one of the most interesting is the built-in Bluetooth Remote Control functionality. Users of Salling Clicker and other applications have been enjoying the cool factor and useful aspects of having a mobile phone act as a remote control as well as other cool tricks."




Bluetooth File Exchange finally works seamlessly with my Sony Ericsson K700i - including the clever little Remote Control functionality - :)

However iSync still doesn't see the phone - :(

[Porchland]

The Apple Store is down.

[football751]

The Apple Store is down.
Thats always good news....

[yinyang]

Thats always good news....

that depends on your bank balance doesn't it?? ;)

[MacFan26]

anyone with a 15" powerbook who has already upgraded to 10.3.5 could you check if you can switch resolution to 1280x720 (720p hdtv)?

I have a 15" TiBook, and nope, it's still only 1280x854

[ChrisH3677]

The Apple Store is down.

Is that coz they've released Motion?

edit: And Production Suite.

PS It must be Tuesday!

[vancenase]

is this a new portion of the apple site? found it linked from the main page with a main 'Motion' graphic

http://www.apple.com/productionsuite/

[edit: store is up; looks like 'new' = Motion, Production Suite, ultra portable audio and a new 'search' ... look for the green new buttons http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/601/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/cp_promo_new_search.gif]

[MacFan26]

[edit: store is up; looks like 'new' = Motion, Production Suite, ultra portable audio and a new 'search' ... look for the green new buttons
The homepage is also updated, with motion as the featured product.

[titaniumducky]

You should be repairing your permissions BEFORE and AFTER you do any kind of OS Update. This is why you probably experienced so many repairs. Not repairing permissions before you apply the update is the reason a lot of people experience trouble after applying the update. Then of course, the idiots blame Apple when it was the users fault!

You definitely SHOULDN'T have to repair permissions before and after every update. Repairing permissions once in a while should help avoid problems; while updates may change some minor permissions, unless it's an OS update, it's not really going to cause ANY problems for most people.

I repair permissions about once a month or less, and I usually install updates almost as soon as they come out. Even with the original 10.2.8, I've NEVER had update problems...

[titaniumducky]

is anyone else excited for the new imacs and what tiger might bring to them?

We're all fanatic macheads; I'm sure we all are.

[Porchland]

I guess I was too excited with the x.5 update last night that there would be new hardware... (Not that I'm in the market; see below!)

[GroundLoop]

Looks like 10.3.5 is required for Motion. I guess there were significant upgrades under the skin in order to support this new App.

Hickman

[SiliconAddict]

Hehe maybe I should take your post as a sign...I'm downloading Win XP SP2 from Microsoft's TechNet site as I write this. Maybe I should wait a while :rolleyes:

*waves him off waves him off* ABORT ABORT ABORT!!

Seriously. MS did some major under the hood tweaking of XP's security. Enough so that it WILL, not might but will, break some applications. I'm dead serious when I say hold off for at least a week on that update. MS did a lot of work on it to make it stable and I've run RC's successfully but its still a major update.

[aflanary]

My G5's fans won't shut off when it goes into sleep mode now... anyone else have this problem?!? :mad:

Same problem here. Single CPU 1.8.

[manu chao]

no they don't, at least not very likely (as that would require a version number larger than ten-dot-three-dot-2^32). they can have for example panther version 10.3.999999 if they like, but that too is not very likely. you might however have quite a good guess in 10.3.9 being the last panther version, but there's no reason why there couldn't be a 10.3.10 release.


You are naturally right. I would find it simply a bit awkward, having 10.3.1 as well as 10.3.10. I can't remember having seen any software with a version number like this (x.10).

[SiliconAddict]

one possible solution would be to add a specialized service that tracks "hours of use" and runs such scripts after the system has been used X hours - this of course would likely confuse user because the maintenance script would almost certainly be run just when the user has more important work to do


Simple solution..... Use the same method MS uses for its task sched...see below.

[FriarCrazy]

Does anyone know if this update adds support for Dual Layer DVD-Rs in OSX?

currently the OSX finder does not recognize the Dual Layer DVD-R format.

Its a problem with the Dual Layer format. Dual Layer DVDs (the ones you burn, not commercial ones) are not compatable in todays DVD-R drives. This will eventually be solved in a firmware update.

[sgtlmj]

Attached my mini USB2.0 drive. Read from it fine, but when I attempted to eject, it locked up Finder. Could not relaunch, had to reboot. Recreated this 2X.

This worked fine in 10.3.4. :(

[ZildjianKX]

Well, it's official... the latest update kills the ability of some G5s to go into sleep mode... yay Apple!

http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@1.gJYbaQ0RtVE.69373@.6898a721

(*grumble* I had less trouble with upgrading to SP2 last night than 10.3.5!)

[ericmooreart]

After staying up all night testing on my home network, I installed 10.3.5 on the 5 Macs at my job (3 quicksilvers 1ghz and 2 g5 1.6ghz). We always had problems accessing our London PeeCee server from New York. It was soooooo sloooow. Now connection and file transfers are as fast as the XP dells in the company! Especially in Dreamweaver.

Thanx Apple :D

[titaniumducky]

one possible solution would be to add a specialized service that tracks "hours of use" and runs such scripts after the system has been used X hours - this of course would likely confuse user because the maintenance script would almost certainly be run just when the user has more important work to do

This already exists - it's part of Unix. There's a daemon called "cron" which watches time (to the second, I think) and can run scripts/commands.

The OS actually uses it to run maintenance scripts if your computer is awake overnight.

I didn't see what your post is referring to ("one possible solution..."), but I'm sure cron can handle it. All you have to do is open up a file (/etc/crontab) with root permissions in a text editor and you can tell to run a script/command every week at this hour, every day at this hour and minute, or whatever else you wish.

[sgarringer]

My GE mini optical mouse still doesnt work :(

little round one with two black buttons for eyes? with a retractable cord?

works fine for me (and has worked fine since 10.2) but i've gone through 3. apparently the buttons break very easily.

[stcanard]

But, I did repair my permissions directly after I installed iPhoto 4.0.3. which was the day before yesterday. Everything was fine then. The system seems to be running just fine so far. It was just weird that every single .plisy file had the incorrect permissions. Which update did all of you other 15" 1.25GHz PowerBook owners get?

Hickman

Something else must have happened then -- I did the exact same thing on my powerbook. Ran repair permissions right after installing iPhoto 4.0.3, then yesterday installed 10.3.5 and repaired again. This time there was nothing to fix (well aside from cd9660 or whatever it's called; that's never worked since the security fix for it).

[stcanard]

You are naturally right. I would find it simply a bit awkward, having 10.3.1 as well as 10.3.10. I can't remember having seen any software with a version number like this (x.10).

Especially is you remember the olden days when the part after the decimal was really treated like a decimal, so release order would be:

10.1
10.2
10.21
10.3

I still get tripped up sometimes when reading version numbers. Of course the newfangled way of calling it 10.2.1 it much easier to understand.

[mkrishnan]

I just checked the Bluetooth preferences on 10.3.5 and it doesn't have the remote control function option for my Sony Ericsson T68i. So I'll just have to continue using Salling Clicker.

While I'm here, does anyone know why the bluetooth connection between my phone and PB drops off so easily?

It doesn't work on the Nokia 3650 either. I think the new phones from S-E must have some special software -- it sounds like they have a built in "remote" application. I wonder if its a cross-company standard, or something that's only going to work in MacOS for Sony phones? :(

As for the drop-offs...I have a weird experience too. When I iSync, the phone has to be very close to the computer to work. In contrast, when I use it as a cell modem, it can be sitting several feet away inside a bag.

[VicMacs]

Not so great for me. Installed the update, shutdown and then turn it on. I got the usual grey apple with the spinning thing underneath for awhile. Then, the grey apple turned into a grey "do not enter sign". Held the power then rebooted. Same thing. Opened the cd tray with a pin and stared with it open, worked fine... weird.

I've got an iBook G3/800Mgz/14"/Combo Drive

um... installed, restarted, put to sleep, on wakeup it looked like a messsed up TV .... i dont know what happenned there.... restarted and its fine... im scared...

ibook g3 800 14"

[GeorgeTheMonkey]

Bluetooth File Exchange finally works seamlessly with my Sony Ericsson K700i - including the clever little Remote Control functionality - :)

However iSync still doesn't see the phone - :(
That's completely groovy! George is a very happy monkey -- I actually just ordered a K700 right before this update! :D Now to think that I can move my cursor around the screen with my CELL PHONE, that's a too cool thought. :cool:

On top of this cool OS X update, dude, Jonas Salling just released a free version of their remote software (http://homepage.mac.com/jonassalling/Shareware/RemoteBasics/index.html), just for the K700 and S700.

As for iSync, I can't be positive until I get mine in the mail, but I've heard that to initially pair the cell phone and your computer, you actually have to initiate pairing on one, then right after initiate pairing on the other. Fiddle with it that way -- others have been able to successfully get iSync and their K700 to share the sandbox and play together.

[wdlove]

um... installed, restarted, put to sleep, on wakeup it looked like a messsed up TV .... i dont know what happenned there.... restarted and its fine... im scared...

ibook g3 800 14"

You should try running Repair Permissons located in Applications > Utilities. I ran it on my G4 and so far so good.

[VicMacs]

I just checked the Bluetooth preferences on 10.3.5 and it doesn't have the remote control function option for my Sony Ericsson T68i. So I'll just have to continue using Salling Clicker.

While I'm here, does anyone know why the bluetooth connection between my phone and PB drops off so easily?

use romeo dude

[VicMacs]

You should try running Repair Permissons located in Applications > Utilities. I ran it on my G4 and so far so good.

never heard of it... is it an app? or a system tool or function?

thanks... I recently sent the ibbok for a motherboard excahnge... it went dead on me.. thank god for the apple extended warranties on these faulty ibooks

[seamuskrat]

Actually, you want DISK UTILITY launch this (located in utilities folder) and then repair permissions.

You can also use third party utilities like Panther Cache Cleaner, Cocktail, Xupprt. Bu the DU app works fine for this.
never heard of it... is it an app? or a system tool or function?

thanks... I recently sent the ibbok for a motherboard excahnge... it went dead on me.. thank god for the apple extended warranties on these faulty ibooks

[Wendy_Rebecca]

You should be repairing your permissions BEFORE and AFTER you do any kind of OS Update. This is why you probably experienced so many repairs. Not repairing permissions before you apply the update is the reason a lot of people experience trouble after applying the update. Then of course, the idiots blame Apple when it was the users fault!

That may be the most ridiculous thing I've read all day. You sound like a typical Mac Zealot that blames the user because Apple can do no wrong.

If repairing permissions is so critical to a successful install routine, Apple should advise the user to do so, or should incorporate it into the installer itself. Calling someone an "idiot" because they expect a software install to work as advertised without incident is, in itself, idiotic.

[donniedarko]

I run a 17" 1.33 pb...installed 10.3.5 update, security update, did disk permissions, (with only issues with iphoto). My fan is more active....? considerably, what gives?

[hype.it]

I just updated my system without running crons and everything is working just sweet...

Then again, if you leave your system on over night and every night, you need not manually repair permissions and run the crons daily/weekly or monthly tasks. The kernel will automatically do it for you. He's posted it because not everyone leaves their system running over night. I guess most users will put their system to sleep or physically shut it down, dunno know why.

Question: Do you unplug and power-down your fridge freezer on a nightly basis too? Imagine, you can save tones of electric, if you think your Mac is eating a hole in your pocket.

I have and run 4 Mac systems here, they all stay on, every night of everyday of every month. No expense is spent on saving power! The displays are left on, while burning up the liquid crystals and illuminating my whole apartment. They say a TFT will last 5-7 years.... let see...

:D

[ZildjianKX]

Question: Do you unplug and power-down your fridge freezer on a nightly basis too? Imagine, you can save tones of electric, if you think your Mac is eating a hole in your pocket.

I have and run 4 Mac systems here, they all stay on, every night of everyday of every month. No expense is spent on saving power! The displays are left on, while burning up the liquid crystals and illuminating my whole apartment. They say a TFT will last 5-7 years.... let see...

:D

Does the pump in your fridge/freezer run all night?

At least pretend like you care about the environment.

[MacPhreak]

Only problem I've had so far is that Finder crashes every second time I drag-n-drop a photo onto Photoshop 7. (ie, first drag-n-drop goes fine, click on next file to drag, and Finder promptly crashes). Folder w/photos is on desktop, and Photoshop is nestled in its folder in Applications.

[CubaTBird]

I don't know if this was posted earlier but the finder version is now 10.3.2. Click about Finder and you will notice it. :cool:

[gorkonapple]

You definitely SHOULDN'T have to repair permissions before and after every update. Repairing permissions once in a while should help avoid problems; while updates may change some minor permissions, unless it's an OS update, it's not really going to cause ANY problems for most people.

I repair permissions about once a month or less, and I usually install updates almost as soon as they come out. Even with the original 10.2.8, I've NEVER had update problems...


Yes. Also, I might add repairing them before updating isn't going to do anything but add work. Your installing the updates with root permissions....even if your just an admin user (it pops up the password box because the update most likely does a sudo su before running).

I also find it funny they even HAVE this as part of the disk util, but I guess I can see why (clueless users playing around with chmod and other UNIX commandline stuff....).

[Applespider]

OK...I was updating from 10.3.4. iSynch came up with a green tick, 10.3.5 came up with a exclamation mark, Security update came up with a tick. It got most of the way through optimising and then Software Update unexpectedly quit...

10.3.5 is still in the Software Update when I go into check but the other 2 have gone. Since the Security update was supposed to restart, should I rebuild permissions, restart PB and then download 10.3.5?

I'm just concerned that restarting might screw something up since Software Update didn't seem to complete. Suggestions?

[omala]

You are naturally right. I would find it simply a bit awkward, having 10.3.1 as well as 10.3.10. I can't remember having seen any software with a version number like this (x.10).

It happens, though - Linux for example (which is firmly a "release early, release often" project) is at 2.4.27 or 2.6.7, depending on which kernel you're running. Granted, for most commercial apps marketing departments get fussy if there's not a new major version released periodically, so the main version number gets bumped more often...

[Lancetx]

I run a 17" 1.33 pb...installed 10.3.5 update, security update, did disk permissions, (with only issues with iphoto). My fan is more active....? considerably, what gives?

I have the exact same PB as you and I've noticed the same thing. It's not exceedingly so, but the fan kicks on probably twice as often as it did before. Oh well, I could think of worse things that could have happened. At least it won't overheat now for sure. :)

[SeanMcg]

I noticed that my 15" TiBook 1GHz is now driving my 17" CRT (as an extended desktop) without the occasional jump or flicker that was there before. This was a known issue, and the new drivers seem to have fixed the problem. My only complaint was that on my B&W G3, it reset the resolution to 800 x 600. Easily reset, but it would have been considerate to save that setting. NBD

[Rhumgod]

Check it out

/System/Library/Extensions/AppleMacRISC4PE.kext/Contents/Info.plist

<key>IOPlatformPluginTable</key>
<dict>
<key>PowerBook7,1</key>
<string>SMU_Neo2_PlatformPlugin</string>
<key>PowerBook7,2</key>
<string>SMU_Neo2_PlatformPlugin</string>
<key>PowerMac7,2</key>
<string>PowerMac7_2_PlatformPlugin</string>
<key>PowerMac7,3</key>
<string>PowerMac7_2_PlatformPlugin</string>
<key>PowerMac8,1</key>
<string>SMU_Neo2_PlatformPlugin</string>
<key>PowerMac9,1</key>
<string>SMU_Neo2_PlatformPlugin</string>
<key>RackMac3,1</key>
<string>RackMac3_1_PlatformPlugin</string>

:eek:

Now PowerBook7,1 PowerBook7,2 PowerMac8,1 (new iMac) and PowerMac9,1 (?) all get the SMU_Neo2 specs. Hmm, in 10.3.4 just the PowerMac8,1 had that spec.

Looks like we get a PowerTune G5 system for PowerBooks, iMacs and a new PowerMac, from what I can tell.

[titaniumducky]

I have the exact same PB as you and I've noticed the same thing. It's not exceedingly so, but the fan kicks on probably twice as often as it did before. Oh well, I could think of worse things that could have happened. At least it won't overheat now for sure. :)

It's probably not a bug; Apple did a similar thing in 10.3.2 for certain 12 inchers. Sometimes they reevaluate how hot they want to allow PowerBooks/iBooks to be; if they lower the setting for how hot the 'Book can be before fans come on, the fans come on more often after installing the latest OS update.

Don't worry about - it's for your PB's good. If it really bothers you, you can find the file that controls the fan's behavior from 10.3.4 and replace 10.3.5's. Someone else will have to help you with the exact file name/location, though, as I don't know.

[Lancetx]

It's probably not a bug; Apple did a similar thing in 10.3.2 for certain 12 inchers. Sometimes they reevaluate how hot they want to allow PowerBooks/iBooks to be; if they lower the setting for how hot the 'Book can be before fans come on, the fans come on more often after installing the latest OS update.

Don't worry about - it's for your PB's good. If it really bothers you, you can find the file that controls the fan's behavior from 10.3.4 and replace 10.3.5's. Someone else will have to help you with the exact file name/location, though, as I don't know.

Oh, it doesn't really bother me, it's not like it's constantly running or anything. I was just answering the earlier post to concur that he wasn't the only one that was happening to. I can certainly live with a little extra fan activity if it means the PowerBook doesn't run too hot. :)

[iGary]

Did the usual repair, etc., etc.

Installed.

Safari crashing frequently...

This is why I use my work machine as the guinea pig. :D

[SycloneMedia]

MacPhreak, CubaTBird-

Yes, I have that problem with the finder... it will quit when you have a finder window open with "image preview" turned on for the icons. This is the same problem that they had in 10.3.2 (which was fixed in 10.3.3) and now is back. I checked the finder version and it coincidentally is 10.3.2 like you said... weird... why did the finder actually downgrade itself to a way back version? I wonder how many others are having this problem, because it's not so apparent at first until it actually quits on you... and yes there is this weird "TV scrambling" look on the screen for a split second when you occassionally wake from sleep.