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skunk
Aug 10, 2004, 01:01 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1279825,00.html
Diplomacy sidelined as US targets Iran

Simon Tisdall
Tuesday August 10, 2004
The Guardian

The US charge sheet against Iran is lengthening almost by the day, presaging destabilising confrontations this autumn and maybe a pre-election October surprise.

The Bush administration is piling on the pressure over Iran's alleged nuclear weapons programme. It maintains Tehran's decision to resume building uranium centrifuges wrecked a long-running EU-led dialogue and is proof of bad faith.

The US will ask a meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency on September 13 to declare Iran in breach of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, a prelude to seeking punitive UN sanctions.

Iran's insistence that it seeks nuclear power, not weapons, is scoffed at in Washington. John Bolton, the hawkish US under-secretary of state for arms control, says there is no doubt what Tehran is up to. He has hinted at using military force should the UN fail to act. "The US and its allies must be willing to deploy more robust techniques" to halt nuclear proliferation, including "the disruption of procurement networks, sanctions and other means". No option was ruled out, he said last year.

Last month in Tokyo, Mr Bolton upped the ante again, accusing Iran of collaborating with North Korea on ballistic missiles.

Israel, Washington's ally, has also been stoking the fire. It is suggested there that if the west fails to act against Iran in timely fashion, Israel could strike pre-emptively as it did against Iraq's nuclear facilities in 1981, although whether it has the capability to launch effective strikes is uncertain.....
Just in time for the election?



mischief
Aug 10, 2004, 01:11 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1279825,00.html

Just in time for the election?

And a perfect excuse to delay them. Start a War... claim it's impossible to have continuity with an uncertain Cabinet... Forgo the election until "after the storm has passed"....

skunk
Aug 10, 2004, 01:17 PM
And a perfect excuse to delay them. Start a War... claim it's impossible to have continuity with an uncertain Cabinet... Forgo the election until "after the storm has passed"....
It's also impossible if half the electorate is overseas...

brap
Aug 10, 2004, 01:20 PM
That's it, I'm moving to ********* Switzerland.

skunk
Aug 10, 2004, 01:22 PM
That's it, I'm moving to ********* Switzerland.
You must be ********* desperate! :D

brap
Aug 10, 2004, 01:27 PM
You must be ********* desperate! :D
Sun, snow, skiing, beer and an army riding bicycles. Awesome!

skunk
Aug 10, 2004, 01:30 PM
and an army riding bicycles. Awesome!
While holding pen-knives... :p

blackfox
Aug 10, 2004, 01:50 PM
Well, I have to ask...HOW?

Beyond Diplomatic avenues (sanctions, incentives etc), which this Administration eschews anyway, how and by what means would the US be able to take any meaningful military action?

Iran is a much more populous and sophisticated society, which for a direct invasion would need far above the troop deployment currectly used in Iraq.

The exact numbers needed are not important, however...where would the US find any sizable number of troops at this point? We could cobble some together from S. Korea and around Europe, but I doubt they would amount to much numerically...and they must be trained and equipped for ME deployment.

A draft is not a political option, and frankly I am not sure Congress would fund another "adventure" at this point...even if Bush secured some funding, he would most likely be reduced to a bombing campaign of some sort, which would be ineffective and incendiary (no pun) to any US interests...

So again, how could this happen? I don't see it...(oh, BTW, an invasion of Iran is bound to mount considerable casaulties for our side, especially if our forces are cobbled-together, which would quickly erode domestic political support imo...)

yellow
Aug 10, 2004, 01:53 PM
Sun, snow, skiing, beer and an army riding bicycles. Awesome!

You've forgotten cheese, chocolate, and kick-@$$ watches.

I don't think that the US could afford yet another war..

skunk
Aug 10, 2004, 02:19 PM
Well, I have to ask...HOW?

Beyond Diplomatic avenues (sanctions, incentives etc), which this Administration eschews anyway, how and by what means would the US be able to take any meaningful military action?

Iran is a much more populous and sophisticated society, which for a direct invasion would need far above the troop deployment currectly used in Iraq.

Easy: hand Iraqi security over to the Azerbaijanis, sub-contract the Uzbeks to invade Syria simultaneously, and while the world is looking toward Damascus, Rumsfeld will PERSONALLY lead US forces into Teheran to accept the unconditional surrender of Iran. In a month. Or less.

zimv20
Aug 10, 2004, 07:02 PM
Well, I have to ask...HOW?
the administration is well advised to not force such a confrontation. rather, a pissing-their-pants, frightened public would have to demand it. some kind of nuclear "episode" may be enough to get that started...

blackfox
Aug 10, 2004, 07:06 PM
zim, still seems like a logistical impossibility at this point, hysterically-fearful public or not...

(BTW, I enjoyed your fine city over the weekend...sorry I did not have the time to grab a drink w/ you...perhaps next time I visit (and after my visit, therewill be a next time...) :) )

zimv20
Aug 10, 2004, 07:23 PM
(BTW, I enjoyed your fine city over the weekend
excellent! glad you had good time

diamond geezer
Aug 10, 2004, 09:05 PM
Sun, snow, skiing, beer and an army riding bicycles. Awesome!

They don't use the bikes anymore. But on the bright side, every adult male is given an assault rifle.

Good news for all you yank gun-nuts.

takao
Aug 11, 2004, 08:11 AM
They don't use the bikes anymore. But on the bright side, every adult male is given an assault rifle.

Good news for all you yank gun-nuts.

an assault rifle your aren't allowed to keep loaded outside of a shooting range which is _controlled_
and it's not every adult man ..you know that would not be responsible ;)