Drugs

[roadbloc]

Drugs are a bit of silent and sensitive topic. But they have been and still are a part of my life.

When younger, I was addicted to heroin. Thankfully I'm off that now, but I still recreationally take softer drugs, such as ket, weed and shrooms. And I smoke and drink regally.

What do you guys think? It's always been the norm for me, and in my industry (musician and producer) to take drugs on night outs. Should I stop all together?

[leekohler]

I think more info is needed with regards to the frequency of your use. Also, do you tend to do things you regret while using?

The fact that you are a recovering addict is also quite troubling.

[roadbloc]

I think more info is needed with regards to the frequency of your use. Also, do you tend to do things you regret while using?

The fact that you are a recovering addict is also quite troubling.

Okay... well, I do weed *almost* every week, and I guess I do other and more harder drugs on special events and/or on nights out. I do sometimes regret it, especially when I've passed out or thrown up or whited because of them.

[Peace]

Stop using "drugs". Period. They are very bad for you.

Marijuana isn't a drug.

[leekohler]

Okay... well, I do weed *almost* every week, and I guess I do other and more harder drugs on special events and/or on nights out. I do sometimes regret it, especially when I've passed out or thrown up or whited because of them.

Well, marijuana use almost never causes concern. but I would keep a very close eye on the others. Ketamine, e, GHB or any other synthetic club drug you should stop using right now. Those drugs are very bad news if used often. And for god's sake do NOT go near meth.

[skunk]

The weed is not really a problem, but the Special K most certainly is.

[AAPLaday]

The weed is not really a problem, but the Special K most certainly is.

Special K is good for keeping your waist line trim though isn't it? :p208741

[red42]

On a recent trip to Malaysia, as soon as the plan touched down it was announced "Welcome to Malaysia, Malaysia has zero tolerance with drug trafficking, DEATH to drug traffickers!" :eek:

I have no sympathy for drug abusers or dealers though.

[skunk]

I have no sympathy for drug abusers or dealers though.How about drug users?

[NT1440]

I wouldn't consider ketamine a soft drug by any means.

Normally weed use doesn't concern me, but considering your past, it says to me you have an addictive personality, so I'd use caution with just about any substance.

[dukebound85]

Drugs are a bit of silent and sensitive topic. But they have been and still are a part of my life.

When younger, I was addicted to heroin. Thankfully I'm off that now, but I still recreationally take softer drugs, such as ket, weed and shrooms. And I smoke and drink regally.

What do you guys think? It's always been the norm for me, and in my industry (musician and producer) to take drugs on night outs. Should I stop all together?

Why do people freely admit to doing illegal things?

When younger? WTF, you are only 16 right NOW according to your website (born in 93)

Stop using "drugs". Period. They are very bad for you.

Marijuana isn't harmful a drug.

There we go;)

[Peace]

Why do people freely admit to doing illegal things?


Medical Marijuana is legal in Oregon and I hold a card.

[dukebound85]

Medical Marijuana is legal in Oregon and I hold a card.

I wasnt talking about soley weed there (just look at the first post, he names off quite a bit...) and chances are, he doesn't have a medical card as hes 16 and that would be illegal most likely* (assuming laws in the UK, where hes from, are similar to US). Also smokes at drinks regulary at 16 in addition to ket, shrooms and weed?

[mkrishnan]

I wouldn't consider ketamine a soft drug by any means.

Yeah... I'm curious, are there other people out there who consider ketamine a "soft" drug? I would put it pretty high on the danger scale...

[skunk]

Why do people freely admit to doing illegal things?If they did not admit to it, you'd have no way of knowing how extensive usage is. This is by and large an anonymous forum, so what's the harm?

[dukebound85]

If they did not admit to it, you'd have no way of knowing how extensive usage is. This is by and large an anonymous forum, so what's the harm?

anonymous maybe if he didnt have his website that said who he is, where he lives, where he goes to school and how old he is buuuut he does

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Normally weed use doesn't concern me, but considering your past, it says to me you have an addictive personality, so I'd use caution with just about any substance.

You do not in anyway shape or form need an addictive personality to get hooked on heroin.

[skunk]

anonymous maybe if he didnt have his website that said who he is, where he lives, where he goes to school and how old he is buuuut he doesWell, that is a little foolish, isn't it? There are some cops who are members here, too...

[NT1440]

You do not in anyway shape or form need an addictive personality to get hooked on heroin.

Of course not, but actually having one makes the whole situation much more frightening.

[dukebound85]

Well, that is a little foolish, isn't it? There are some cops who are members here, too...

Don't even have to be a cop. All police facilities have anonymous tip reporting concerning illegal activities and with the info he's willingly provided, he just opened up a potential can of worms for himself if someone cares enough to report him

I say that to illustrate just how foolish it is to list illegal activites you have done and then give personally identifiable information in the same post

[felt.]

They seem to work out fine for some, while completely ruining others. You can't really generalize and say if it's good or bad entirely, but rather look at it on a case by case basis. If it doesn't affect your ability to provide and care for yourself and/or any dependents and you enjoy it then go for it. However you should be aware that there are unfortunate consequences associated with long term abuse, ones easily avoided by getting your good feelings from other activities.

[Macky-Mac]

Okay... well, I do weed *almost* every week, and I guess I do other and more harder drugs on special events and/or on nights out. I do sometimes regret it, especially when I've passed out or thrown up or whited because of them.

LOL....uh, yeah, prob time for you to be cutting back

[Dagless]

No sir I don't do them, nor would I want to. I like my mind the way it is... cluttered and barking mad.

[IntheNet]

Drugs are a bit of silent and sensitive topic. But they have been and still are a part of my life.

Illegality of drugs remove them from consideration; heavy penalties for users and distributors should be maintained to lock up those abusing their life with them.

[Cassie]

I'll admit, I use weed on occasion. I don't see a problem with it as long as it doesn't become a daily thing.

The harder stuff, yeah it's definitely something to stay away from, though. Most of the people I know who do that stuff are OK for the most part, (they don't use regularly) but it's far too easy to get hardcore addicted.

[skunk]

Illegality of drugs remove them from consideration; heavy penalties for users and distributors should be maintained to lock up those abusing their life with them.That worked really well in the 20s, didn't it?

[IntheNet]

That worked really well in the 20s, didn't it?

Are you questioning the illegality of drugs? Not me putting the laws on the books - I am just asking for their enforcement... others in this thread are bragging about abuse of the laws...

[leekohler]

That worked really well in the 20s, didn't it?

About as well as it's working now.

[skunk]

Are you questioning the illegality of drugs?I am questioning the practical benefits of prohibition, obviously. Drug use has not declined, however much money and effort has been spent on trying. All that has been achieved is to enrich the distributors and criminalise their customers.

[leekohler]

I am questioning the practical benefits of prohibition, obviously. Drug use has not declined, however much money and effort has been spent on trying. All that has been achieved is to enrich the distributors and criminalise their customers.

One of these days we'll learn from history. But until people start looking at the issue realistically, we'll continue to have the same problems.

[IntheNet]

I am questioning the practical benefits of prohibition, obviously. Drug use has not declined, however much money and effort has been spent on trying. All that has been achieved is to enrich the distributors and criminalise their customers.

Then we need to try harder; enforce capital penalties against top distributors, bomb growth sites in nations trafficking in drugs, and start changing the culture among youth that use drugs... I see lots of anti-tobacco PSAs but few on PSAs on anti- crack cocaine, weed, and others drugs.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Then we need to try harder; enforce capital penalties against top distributors, bomb growth sites in nations trafficking in drugs, and start changing the culture among youth that use drugs... I see lots of anti-tobacco PSAs but few on PSAs on anti- crack cocaine, weed, and others drugs.

And why should marijuana be illegal?

And it's a stupid idea to bomb other countries, we're not the world police.

[skunk]

Then we need to try harder; enforce capital penalties against top distributors, bomb growth sites in nations trafficking in drugs, and start changing the culture among youth that use drugs... I see lots of anti-tobacco PSAs but few on PSAs on anti- crack cocaine, weed, and others drugs.Your political nous, not to mention your gravitas, is as astounding as ever. You suggest bombing other nations on the grounds that they are trafficking drugs? How about bombing the USA, one of the world's premier drug-traffickers? Remember, mindless violence begins at home.

[IntheNet]

You suggest bombing other nations on the grounds that they are trafficking drugs?

Poppy fields in Afghanistan and cocaine production sites in Columbia for starters... other narco sites as identified....

How about bombing the USA, one of the world's premier drug-traffickers?

Note difference between users and producers... trafficking is generally one way in the USA and that is in-bound from drug-producing nations not out-bound...

Remember, mindless violence begins at home.

We have quite a lot to do in this nation to be sure; changing our culture of drug acceptance needs to begin in earnest...

[NT1440]

Note difference between users and producers... trafficking is generally one way in the USA and that is in-bound from drug-producing nations not out-bound...


There are massive producers in this country. Should we bomb them?

[skunk]

Poppy fields in Afghanistan and cocaine production sites in Columbia for starters... other narco sites as identified....What the hell gives you the right? How would you react if we started bombing your drug factories?

Note difference between users and producers... trafficking is generally one way in the USA and that is in-bound from drug-producing nations not out-bound...Immaterial.

The whole "problem" is driven by the artificial price inflation caused by enforcement attempts.

[dukebound85]

What the hell gives you the right? How would you react if we started bombing your drug factories?

Immaterial.

The whole "problem" is driven by the artificial price inflation caused by enforcement attempts.

+1

Seriously, InTheNet why should we bomb countries if it ISNT ILLEGAL THERE

Your logic is lacking as it completely negates any sovereignty that a country has a right to

If one fails to see what happened with Prohibition, then they should have NO say in drug laws

Prohibition should be learned from as outlawing drugs doesn't get rid of drugs.....in fact it creates a worse problem.....we will have large crime circles taking advantage of the situation

Ever hear of a black market? why do you suppose that is?

If you legalize it, it will be controlled, it will be taxed, and it will not offer an incentive for criminals to partake in it

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Poppy fields in Afghanistan and cocaine production sites in Columbia for starters... other narco sites as identified....



Note difference between users and producers... trafficking is generally one way in the USA and that is in-bound from drug-producing nations not out-bound...



We have quite a lot to do in this nation to be sure; changing our culture of drug acceptance needs to begin in earnest...
how do you feel about Canada or any other country bombing drug sites in the US?

[Dagless]

If you legalize it, it will be controlled, it will be taxed, and it will not offer an incentive for criminals to partake in it

But then you still have people taking drugs, which can involve the sort of people who take something that alters their mind so much they become paranoid and harm or steal from others. Let us not totally gloss over the fact that drug addicts aren't complete victims and some blame lies with them. Making an addictive drug legal isn't going to stop people becoming addicted, overdosing etc.

[IntheNet]

What the hell gives you the right? How would you react if we started bombing your drug factories?

When our U.S. aspirin factories cause youth drug abuse worldwide and death from addiction I would expect them to be bombed... Correspondingly, Afghan poppy fields and Columbia drug production sites can be linearly tracked to drug abuse and death...

The whole "problem" is driven by the artificial price inflation caused by enforcement attempts.

Wait... let me get this straight... you overlook drug traffic lords and street drug peddlers and put the blame here on enforcement officers? Can I laugh now?

[TuffLuffJimmy]

When our U.S. aspirin factories cause youth drug abuse worldwide and death from addiction I would expect them to be bombed... Correspondingly, Afghan poppy fields and Columbia drug production sites can be linearly tracked to drug abuse and death...
we have all sorts of drug farms in this country and other countries have as much of a right to bomb those as we have to bomb theirs.

[skunk]

When our U.S. aspirin factories cause youth drug abuse worldwide and death from addiction I would expect them to be bombed... Correspondingly, Afghan poppy fields and Columbia drug production sites can be linearly tracked to drug abuse and death...Don't be a fool. You have crack cocaine factories, and places refining and manufacturing every kind of illegal drug.
Wait... let me get this straight... you overlook drug traffic lords and street drug peddlers and put the blame here on enforcement officers? Can I laugh now?I'd learn to read if I were you, not waste my time laughing.

[dukebound85]

InTheNet.......seriously? You would bomb US locations....

PS: Palin in 2012? Even a conservative like myself doesn't want her near any position of power. Where were you this last election?

[IntheNet]

You have crack cocaine factories

Afghan poppy fields and Columbia cocaine labs are primary drug production areas that threaten many nations due to narco-drug trafficking from those sites to other areas; such as the United States. This is the basis of drug supply. I am hardly the first to call for bombing these drug supply sites... However, if you are more interested in penalizing drug demand, that's your business...

U.S. bombs poppy crop to cut Taliban drug ties
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/07/21/afghanistan.poppy.strike/index.html

Peru to bomb Amazon cocaine labs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6520863.stm

...You would bomb US locations

That's not what I said...

...Palin in 2012?

Show me someone else in GOP that matches the enthusiasm the electorate shows for Palin and I'll back that person; until then Palin has my support...

[Rodimus Prime]

I am questioning the practical benefits of prohibition, obviously. Drug use has not declined, however much money and effort has been spent on trying. All that has been achieved is to enrich the distributors and criminalise their customers.
Tell you the truth during the 20 the amount of alcohol consumed dropped quite a bit. It was not the most popular law but it worked pretty well at dropping it. also a lot of the problems that are linked to alcohol dropped as well.
Little facts that not many know about those times. Everyone knows about the speakeasy and what not but no one seems to remember that it did drop the amount consumed.

Same with drugs. You can not completely stop them but the government can greatly reduce how much is advisable and how much is consumed

[yg17]

Note difference between users and producers... trafficking is generally one way in the USA and that is in-bound from drug-producing nations not out-bound...

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http://www.justice.gov/dea/concern/methmap_2008.jpg
http://www.justice.gov/dea/concern/map_lab_seizures.html

Why won't we just drop a nuke on Missouri, they have the most meth labs in the US by far.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Tell you the truth during the 20 the amount of alcohol consumed dropped quite a bit. It was not the most popular law but it worked pretty well at dropping it. also a lot of the problems that are linked to alcohol dropped as well.
Little facts that not many know about those times. Everyone knows about the speakeasy and what not but no one seems to remember that it did drop the amount consumed.

Same with drugs. You can not completely stop them but the government can greatly reduce how much is advisable and how much is consumed

Yeah, you're right. Who cares about gangs completely controlling major cities or people not worrying about breaking the law? At least people were drinking less. :rolleyes:

[ucfgrad93]

No sir I don't do them, nor would I want to. I like my mind the way it is... cluttered and barking mad.

Same with me. I have never done illegal drugs and don't plan to either.

[synth3tik]

With the money spent just to combat marijuana the government could purchase the entire US supply a few times over and corner the market.

That is just silly when you consider that far more people benefit from marijuana then people who abuse it.

We are so concerned with drug use among kids yet we give our kids speed so they pay attention is school? silly.

I am very into providing my body with everything it really needs to function at it's best. I use marijuana as a supplement (minor denials yes). I am preventing arthritis, controlling appetite, and calming anxiety.


There are a lot of drugs I believe are bad, many over the counter. Use of refined opiates, amphetamines, etc are extremely dangerous even when under the supervision of a doctor. Most are mis-prescribed or abused. Of course everything in moderation is really the key. Nothing is good for you in huge amounts.

[flopticalcube]

I did some soft stuff way back in my youth. My biggest problem was with alcohol, however. I don't see why it makes any difference if an addict is addicted to something legal or illegal. They need help either way. OP, its a good thing you are off heroin. Maybe you can take little steps in reducing your dependency on the other drugs too. Find some support groups that can help you out. I eventually outgrew my addictions but not everyone can or will. Good luck.

[obeygiant]

AFAIK illicit drugs flow into the United States. The US may grow weed and make Meth but we consume it also. I haven't heard of anyone making drugs here to ship overseas or to Canada/Mexico. Besides prescription drugs.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/Drugroutemap.gif

If someone were upset about the influx of coke or heroin from other countries, they would and could send in a strike. Even NATO has agreed to hit afghan drug traffickers (http://www.acus.org/atlantic_update/nato-agrees-strike-afghan-drug-traffickers). See Clear and Present Danger.

[mkrishnan]

Why won't we just drop a nuke on Missouri, they have the most meth labs in the US by far.

Now, you know I'm loathe to back up InTheNet on anything... :p But have things changed substantially with the dynamics of crystal meth? I thought it was generally still not generally trafficked over long distances and was mostly consumed near where it was made.

[yg17]

Now, you know I'm loathe to back up InTheNet on anything... :p But have things changed substantially with the dynamics of crystal meth? I thought it was generally still not generally trafficked over long distances and was mostly consumed near where it was made.

I don't think it's trafficked much either, but he'd be OK with bombing them even if it's consumed locally ;)

All I know is that all of those damn methheads make it a pain in the ass to get Sudafed in this state. Now they're talking about making it prescription-only :rolleyes:

[eawmp1]

Capitalism - demand breed supply. Prohibition fails (as does attacking the source/supply) because human greed will ensure a supply, by any means necessary, if there is a demand for acommodity. Alcohol prohibition in US in 20th century lead to a huge/violent underground supply industry. While there will never be NO demand for addictive substances (we have a very powerful limbic system - we know what feels good), we can try to treat the root causes that drive people to use these substances, and treat the medical problem of addiction.

I see far more damage/cost to society from the very addictive substance known as tobacco.

[leekohler]

All I know is that all of those damn methheads make it a pain in the ass to get Sudafed in this state. Now they're talking about making it prescription-only :rolleyes:

Meth is probably the worst drug we've seen. It's terrible and does massive amounts of damage to the user. I've seen personally seen it. It's the scariest drug out there. Someone in their 20's will look like they're in their 60's in a relatively short time.

[mkrishnan]

Meth is probably the worst drug we've seen. It's terrible and does massive amounts of damage to the user. I've seen personally seen it. It's the scariest drug out there. Someone in their 20's will look like they're in their 60's in a relatively short time.

I remember, when meth started appearing in the news, they would find these farms that became meth labs, and there would be these dead, emaciated animals that just were left in their pens and not fed anymore, and piles of feces, and... scary. And, a legitimately different situation, by and large, from dealing with cocaine or even marijuana. But I really think aggressive action of some kind is warranted to stop meth. I'm not sure making Sudafed a controlled substance will solve the problem, but at the same time, I could probably live with it if it helps.

[OllyW]

Making an addictive drug legal isn't going to stop people becoming addicted, overdosing etc.

True, but at least the strength and quality of drugs could be controlled if they were made legal and the black market and criminal element is removed. Alcohol and tobacco are both legal and controlled with licensing and taxation, why not do the same with other drugs?

[skunk]

Not a new problem. I refer you all to the song Amphetamine Annie, ©1968.The whole wide human race has taken
Far too much Methedrine

[leekohler]

I remember, when meth started appearing in the news, they would find these farms that became meth labs, and there would be these dead, emaciated animals that just were left in their pens and not fed anymore, and piles of feces, and... scary. And, a legitimately different situation, by and large, from dealing with cocaine or even marijuana. But I really think aggressive action of some kind is warranted to stop meth. I'm not sure making Sudafed a controlled substance will solve the problem, but at the same time, I could probably live with it if it helps.

Thing is- education is probably going to be the most effective weapon. People really need to see what that s*** does. Meth addiction is truly unlike anything we've ever seen.

[mkrishnan]

Thing is- education is probably going to be the most effective weapon. People really need to see what that s*** does. Meth addiction is truly unlike anything we've ever seen.

Education is almost always the most effective tool... and yet one rarely sees any real evidence about new drug abuse prevention education interventions that could make big gains in fighting real public hazards like meth. OTOH I haven't seen any evidence that education should not be the cornerstone of an effective anti-drug intervention.

[leekohler]

Education is almost always the most effective tool... and yet one rarely sees any real evidence about new drug abuse prevention education interventions that could make big gains in fighting real public hazards like meth. OTOH I haven't seen any evidence that education should not be the cornerstone of an effective anti-drug intervention.

I know. About the only thing we get is newspaper articles from time to time. The gay community here was very aggressive at educating people about meth and making it socially unacceptable. There were posters and ads all over the neighborhoods. It hit us hard too. Now you rarely hear anyone mention it. It has definitely lost it's allure- I no longer see meth zombies walking down the street at 5 in the morning.

I wish the general public would take the same approach.

[Eraserhead]

The problem is that the government has already tried education with drugs that basically aren't harmful like ecstasy. So unfortunately with drugs education people who are high risk will treat it like the kid who cried wolf :(.

It sounds like the gay community doesn't have an issue with crying wolf so their education worked well.

[leekohler]

It sounds like the gay community doesn't have an issue with crying wolf so their education worked well.

It wasn't really crying wolf when you saw it happen to people you knew. Word spread pretty quickly that meth was bad news, but not until after it had done lots of damage. It was a combination of education and experience. The big one was when one of our really respected community leaders (on meth) ran someone over with his car after an argument.

[mcrain]

I was a former Public Defender in two rural counties.

I can tell you firsthand that Meth is terrible. Terrible with a capital T. Meth takes kids who experiment and turns them into drug addicts. Other drugs do the same thing, but nothing touches meth for its effectiveness in destroying lives.

I've seen it made. I've seen every grade and quality of meth. I've seen people on it. I've seen people off of it.

STAY AWAY! IT WILL KILL YOU.

[leekohler]

I was a former Public Defender in two rural counties.

I can tell you firsthand that Meth is terrible. Terrible with a capital T. Meth takes kids who experiment and turns them into drug addicts. Other drugs do the same thing, but nothing touches meth for its effectiveness in destroying lives.

I've seen it made. I've seen every grade and quality of meth. I've seen people on it. I've seen people off of it.

STAY AWAY! IT WILL KILL YOU.

That's for sure. It's one scary drug.

[colourfastt]

I was a former Public Defender in two rural counties.

I can tell you firsthand that Meth is terrible. Terrible with a capital T. Meth takes kids who experiment and turns them into drug addicts. Other drugs do the same thing, but nothing touches meth for its effectiveness in destroying lives.

I've seen it made. I've seen every grade and quality of meth. I've seen people on it. I've seen people off of it.

STAY AWAY! IT WILL KILL YOU.

Thank you for the objective and rational statement.

[yg17]

A college friend of mine would do just about every drug out there but even he wouldn't touch meth. It really is some scary, terrible stuff.

[hulugu]

The interesting thing about meth is how it's changed from a locally-grown drug to a much larger scale drug in the last few years. Since the US made attaining ingredients more difficult, many of the large-scale meth labs have moved to Mexico. It's this new trade which is helping to fuel the recent Narco wars in Sonora.

Additionally, meth can still be made in small-scale amounts, including the "Shake and bake" method which needs just a 2 liter soda bottle and a few off-the-shelf ingredients.

[Eraserhead]

It wasn't really crying wolf when you saw it happen to people you knew.

You've missed the word doesn't in my post. I'm saying the gay community doesn't have an issue with crying wolf ;).

[mkrishnan]

Thank you for the objective and rational statement.

Now, I have never used meth, but everything I have ever seen or heard has pretty much confirmed what that poster said... I think lots of people will listen to you about the idea that marijuana can be a drug without necessarily being a drug of abuse... but I just am not hearing the "meth is safe" choir singing....

[Eraserhead]

but I just am not hearing the "meth is safe" choir singing....

For clarity I'm not arguing that Meth is safe, everyone I've ever heard speak about says its a bad drug :).

[leekohler]

For clarity I'm not arguing that Meth is safe, everyone I've ever heard speak about says its a bad drug :).

NO, but colorfastt might have been. ;)

[mcrain]

Thank you for the objective and rational statement.


Thank you, I think. I'm really trying to be rational. I am a defense guy, but as for Meth... I truly believe that Meth is a different animal. It is worse than bad/dirty crack, bad/dirty heroin. I know of functional addicts, but no functional meth addicts.

It really is a bad drug.

[leekohler]

Thank you, I think. I'm really trying to be rational. I am a defense guy, but as for Meth... I truly believe that Meth is a different animal. It is worse than bad/dirty crack, bad/dirty heroin. I know of functional addicts, but no functional meth addicts.


Agreed- that is the truth.

[Teh Don Ditty]

Has anybody seen the TV shows on HOW meth is made? The ingredient list to make meth is absolutely criminal. That is why it is so addictive and deadly.

This is one drug that needs to be eliminated from the marketplace.

[leekohler]

Has anybody seen the TV shows on HOW meth is made? The ingredient list to make meth is absolutely criminal. That is why it is so addictive and deadly.

This is one drug that needs to be eliminated from the marketplace.

I have not seen the list, but I do know it's frightening.

EDIT- just read it. That is one scary list. DRANO? Seriously?

[Teh Don Ditty]

I have not seen the list, but I do know it's frightening.

Rat poison and ammonia is on that list of ingredients.

Nasty nasty stuff in meth.

[rdowns]

Rat poison and ammonia is on that list of ingredients.

Nasty nasty stuff in meth.



Brake fluid too. Mmmmm.

Are you talking abut Meth Nation on Discovery channel? Scary friggin' documentary.

[Teh Don Ditty]

Brake fluid too. Mmmmm.

Are you talking abut Meth Nation on Discovery channel? Scary friggin' documentary.

Battery acid too, if I'm not mistaken.

That would be one of them. There are a few more. HBO actually did a documentary too on it. It made me cringe and that takes a lot to do.

EDIT: Just saw Lee's edit. Yep, drano.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Those are all the things that have been/can be used in making meth. They're not all necessary. Meth is as clean as you make it.





Not that I'm condoning it, but this is just fear propaganda to get people to not use, which I don't think is right.

[leekohler]

Those are all the things that have been/can be used in making meth. They're not all necessary. Meth is as clean as you make it.





Not that I'm condoning it, but this is just fear propaganda to get people to not use, which I don't think is right.

Jim- anything that gets people not to use that s*** is a good thing.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Jim- anything that gets people not to use that s*** is a good thing.

No. Lies and misinformation are not what should be used to get people to not use meth. How would you feel if there were a campaign about "how gay meth users look?" Even if that got people to stop using meth, it's not true nor is it moral.
People, even meth heads, should be presented with nothing but facts and then allowed to make their own decisions. But I do agree with you Lee, we should be doing everything possible to get people to stop using meth, as long as those things are within moral grounds.

[leekohler]

No. Lies and misinformation are not what should be used to get people to not use meth. How would you feel if there were a campaign about "how gay meth users look?" Even if that got people to stop using meth, it's not true nor is it moral.
People, even meth heads, should be presented with nothing but facts and then allowed to make their own decisions. But I do agree with you Lee, we should be doing everything possible to get people to stop using meth, as long as those things are within moral grounds.

BTW- proof that this is all misinformation and propaganda?

[Teh Don Ditty]

Those are all the things that have been/can be used in making meth. They're not all necessary. Meth is as clean as you make it.





Not that I'm condoning it, but this is just fear propaganda to get people to not use, which I don't think is right.

It all depends on who your supplier is and where they get their drugs from.

I'm all for legalizing drugs and all that, but this is one of those drugs that ruins a person fast.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

BTW- proof that this is all misinformation and propaganda?

Because meth doesn't require battery acid, brake fluid, rat poison and ammonia.

Basically all you need are the active ingredient (over the counter cold medicine works well) and acids and bases. You can do a google search for how to (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine#Synthesis) make meth (not sure why people post that, but they do).

[leekohler]

Because meth doesn't require battery acid, brake fluid, rat poison and ammonia.

Basically all you need are the active ingredient (over the counter cold medicine works well) and acids and bases. You can do a google search for how to (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine#Synthesis) make meth (not sure why people post that, but they do).

I have done a search and ammonia is indeed needed:

Ephedrine and pseudoephedrine become methamphetamine by means of a chemical reaction. A meth maker using the Nazi method (common in Illinois) brings about this chemical reaction by combining the ephedrine or pseudoephedrine with two other ingredients: anhydrous ammonia (a liquified fertilizer) and lithium (a metal extracted from lithium batteries). By contrast, a meth maker using the red-P method (less common in Illinois) produces methamphetamine by combining ephedrine or pseudoephedrine with red phosphorous, iodine crystals, and water.

http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/methnet/understandingmeth/basics.html

[Teh Don Ditty]

@TuffLuffJimmy Those principal ingredients though are extremely harmful. Especially if you're actually producing it.

What do you think is more common though? The "pure" meth or the kind that involves the brake fluid and battery acid, etc?

[leekohler]

Also Jim, we did use a campaign about what gay meth users look like. It was extremely effective AND also true.

[Teh Don Ditty]

^Obviously if your target area is gay people using meth, you'll use people that they can connect to or even more effectively people they've seen and interacted with.

Regardless, meth is just downright dangerous.

[rdowns]

I only use the "pure" meth. I do have standards as to what I'll put in my body.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I have done a search and ammonia is indeed needed:http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/methnet/understandingmeth/basics.htmlThere are more ways than the "Nazi cook" method to make meth.@TuffLuffJimmy Those principal ingredients though are extremely harmful. Especially if you're actually producing it. Of course they are, however they are meant to be cooked out or processed out of the final product. But of course meth is often made in less than unidyllic environments that this isn't usually possible.What do you think is more common though? The "pure" meth or the kind that involves the brake fluid and battery acid, etc?That depends. How many meth makers have the time or money to buy and dismantle car batteries? Unless you can present me information that shows the commonality of each ingredient I don't think we have much more to talk about on this subject. Again, I'm not saying meth isn't awful and disgusting, I'm just saying that your assertions about what goes into meth (none of you said "often", "sometimes", "at times" or anything to that effect) are blatant misinformation.Also Jim, we did use a campaign about what gay meth users look like. It was extremely effective AND also true.Good to know, but I never said anything about gay meth users, I said a campaign to the effect of how gay meth made one look.I only use the "pure" meth. I do have standards as to what I'll put in my body.Meth isn't always as dirty as the media portrays it, pure meth is usually for the soccer moms and Salem office holders.

[Jason Beck]

I am an ex dealer. I just finished doing a year in prison for distrobution
charges for weed and meth. I am sick to god of drugs, but I really don't
see a problem with weed. It's being legalized in many cities across the
country, and some in Colorado just did that a few months ago.

I learned my lesson good though. Drugs are not worth it. Weed, is fine,
insomuch as alchohol is fine. Yah? I don't see people getting so messed
up on weed and killing each other.. I mostly see people arguing on who
is going to leave the house to get food.
hah.

Seriously though, it's a less violent, less stupor causing impariment, Cannabis is. In any case, knock the hard drug use off. You don't need it, I don't need it.

You'll make it dude. I got out, and within the first week of release I
enrolled in a 3-4 year bachelors program in graphic design. My grades are
all A's, 4.0 GPA, and I am married to my girlfriend of 5 years.

I also quit smoking tobacco, started working out every day and running
5k every other day. I went from 210 pounds to 129. I absolutely got sick
of how hard drugs were affecting me. You have to WANT it though. You
won't get better till that revelation sticks.

It's a new year, make some resolutions and just do it. Those are my before
and after pics. You can kick the bad habits, I did!

[TuffLuffJimmy]

It's nice to hear a success story, Jason! Good job, I hope things continue to go well for you. :)

[Jason Beck]

LOL@me back in the day bustin out with Tony Hawk on my Windows
Computer. Also, I included the pics not for illustrating my weight
loss, but to illustrate how I set my goals and followed through.

Trust me dude, you'll live longer and healthier by stopping the drug use.

It's nice to hear a success story, Jason! Good job, I hope things continue to go well for you. :)

THANK YOU. I love the feedback I get these days. It only fuels the drive I
have! I see people like the OP, and i remember how hard it can be.

[leekohler]

Good for you, Jason. That is a very good thing indeed.

[Jason Beck]

Thanks. The only thing I miss sometimes is getting stupid off weed
and going to see something like Pineapple express. Man.. haha
Maybe someday after I graduate I will move somewhere it is legal and
do that again. =p

[Dagless]

Trust me dude, you'll live longer and healthier by stopping the drug use.
Maybe someday after I graduate I will move somewhere it is legal and
do that again. =p

Now I'm confused.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Now I'm confused.

weed isn't really a detrimental drug, unlike the others Jason was involved with and the ones the OP is involved with.

[Jason Beck]

Now I'm confused.

I was referring to his Heroin usage. Weed isn't nearly as bad in my
opinion as everything else. There are far worse things in this world
than people running to WalMart at 3am for some cereal.

Junkies with track marks and hiv for one.

[Dagless]

Isn't as harmful? So having money, electronics stolen to feed their cannabis addiction isn't a bad thing? K. Weed turned my brother and his friends into paranoid loonies who stole from family, friends. It was a mess.
Just because something isn't physically addictive doesn't mean it isn't psychologically so. Hell even games and the internet can be psychologically addictive.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Isn't as harmful? So having money, electronics stolen to feed their cannabis addiction isn't a bad thing? K.
Canabis addiction??? It's about as addictive as television, and less addictive than coffee.

Weed turned my brother and his friends into paranoid loonies who stole from family, friends. It was a mess. No it didn't. Your brother and his friends turned themselves into loonies. Get some information.

Just because something isn't physically addictive doesn't mean it isn't psychologically so. Hell even games and the internet can be psychologically addictive.

So you're saying we should make those things illegal? :rolleyes:

[Dagless]

Canabis addiction??? It's about as addictive as television, and less addictive than coffee.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=psychological+addiction&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
Gambling addiction, gaming addiction. These things are very real problems. I'm surprised you haven't heard of it before.

No it didn't. Your brother and his friends turned themselves into loonies. Get some information.
I like how you know my family, friends and events involving such more than I do. No, me and my brother were best friends until I noticed he was stealing from me.

So you're saying we should make those things illegal? :rolleyes:
Nope. I'm saying we shouldn't make more things legal.

[jaysmith]

yeah, if you're willing to steal from people because you need a little weed fix, then you're already the stealing type. That kind of person isn't worth much, dope or no dope (no offense).

[TuffLuffJimmy]

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=psychological+addiction&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
Gambling addiction, gaming addiction. These things are very real problems. I'm surprised you haven't heard of it before.What are you talking about? I never once said that a person cannot become psychologically addicted. In fact I gave an example of a psychological addiction: television. People can become psychologically addicted to anything it's absolutely moronic to use that as a reason for why marijuana is bad. With that logic everything is bad.
I like how you know my family, friends and events involving such more than I do. No, me and my brother were best friends until I noticed he was stealing from me. you might know the details, but you do not know the mechanism nor the facts of marijuana. Your brother was not stealing from you because of marijuana, your brother stole from you for his own reasons.Nope. I'm saying we shouldn't make more things legal.

Worthless logic. For what reason should marijuana be illegal?

[Dagless]

Except that prior to that he was generous, courteous, a shirt-off-his-back kinda guy. Since he gave up a few months ago he's actually been slowly getting back to his old self.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Except that prior to that he was generous, courteous, a shirt-off-his-back kinda guy. Since he gave up a few months ago he's actually been slowly getting back to his old self.

Your single account must be the rule for marijuana users, right? Not the exception. Sounds more like he dropped his old friends, right?

Sadly, people as misinformed as yourself seem to be the lawmakers (or at least pushers) when it comes to marijuana.

[Dagless]

What are you talking about? I never once said that a person cannot become psychologically addicted. In fact I gave an example of a psychological addiction: television. People can become psychologically addicted to anything it's absolutely moronic to use that as a reason for why marijuana is bad. With that logic everything is bad.
Yes and as I said, why would we want more things legal that can cause dangerous addictions?
you might know the details, but you do not know the mechanism nor the facts of marijuana. Your brother was not stealing from you because of marijuana, your brother stole from you for his own reasons.
Brilliant, talented (music+maths), sports playing, generous, salt-of-the-earth guy takes cannabis, gets hooked on it (I am talking a lot though. He stole so much and smoked daily), drops all the above.
7 years later he decides to get his life on track and... would you look at that! Improvement.
It's not the case for everyone or even the majority but I wouldn't wish anyone to have to go through that - either as the addict or the relative dealing with the constant fallout.
It's illegal now. Why would I, or anyone who has been through that want to change the law and make it legal? Do I get my hundreds of £ back if it becomes legal? How about the stolen phones, DVDs, games, iPods? If the government can protect those who are victims of the addicts then we'll talk.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Yes and as I said, why would we want more things legal that can cause dangerous addictions? Because it can't cause a dangerous addiction. However, it is a convenient scapegoat for people who are willing to steal from their own brother. Especially when that brother is gullible enough to believe that a plant made him do it.

Brilliant, talented (music+maths), sports playing, generous, salt-of-the-earth guy takes cannabis, gets hooked on it (I am talking a lot though. He stole so much and smoked daily), drops all the above.Some people do this when they fall for a girl they like, some people do it when they change their life philosophy. Should we ban girls and philosophy? Jimmi, you have not a leg to stand on in this argument.
7 years later he decides to get his life on track and... would you look at that! Improvement.
It's not the case for everyone or even the majority but I wouldn't wish anyone to have to go through that - either as the addict or the relative dealing with the constant fallout.

I lost my brother due to his addiction to masturbation. :( He just sits there, hand fapping away like a zombie. It's really sad. I tried to get him in rehab, but they said they couldn't take his hands away. I don't think he'll ever be the same. :(:(:(:(:(

I'm trying to get federal laws in place to make masturbation illegal. Wish me luck!

[Iscariot]

I'm trying to get federal laws in place to make masturbation illegal. Wish me luck!

I always knew my wiener would land me in jail.

[localoid]

... I'm trying to get federal laws in place to make masturbation illegal. Wish me luck!

As others have pointed out in years past, if we would just tax masturbation we would at least enjoy some monetary benefit from being a nation of jerk-offs.

[flopticalcube]

I'm trying to get federal laws in place to make masturbation illegal. Wish me luck!
Have a heart. I'm married.

[leekohler]

Yes and as I said, why would we want more things legal that can cause dangerous addictions?


Jim- these things exist whether we like them or not. Why are we compounding addiction with long prison sentences? That makes the problem worse, not better.

[No1451]

Brilliant, talented (music+maths), sports playing, generous, salt-of-the-earth guy takes cannabis, gets hooked on it (I am talking a lot though. He stole so much and smoked daily), drops all the above.
7 years later he decides to get his life on track and... would you look at that! Improvement.
It's not the case for everyone or even the majority but I wouldn't wish anyone to have to go through that - either as the addict or the relative dealing with the constant fallout.
It's illegal now. Why would I, or anyone who has been through that want to change the law and make it legal? Do I get my hundreds of £ back if it becomes legal? How about the stolen phones, DVDs, games, iPods? If the government can protect those who are victims of the addicts then we'll talk.


None of that is the fault of a bit of THC, that is all the hallmark of an individual with a problem. Fact is, if there is no physical addiction then it is ALL at the feet of the person in question.

I(gasp) smoke weed occasionally and I hold down a steady job part time while attending school. I've never stolen a penny in my life and didn't get lazy, give up on life or start smoking every day. I don't want to be an ass but some people just cannot handle these sorts of things, just like some people can become dependant on TV, the internet, video games or food. Does that make these things dangerous? Potentially yes, but for a large percentage of the population they will pass through harmlessly.

[Teh Don Ditty]

Some people become more addicted than others, it's that simple. This rule doesn't apply to just weed, it applies to gambling, drinking etc.

[AAPLaday]

I always knew my wiener would land me in jail.

Hahahahaha :D

As others have pointed out in years past, if we would just tax masturbation we would at least enjoy some monetary benefit from being a nation of jerk-offs.

Haha nice call :p

Have a heart. I'm married.

Hahahaha :D:D:D This is as close to typing ROTFLMAO i have ever come :D

[KingYaba]

Hell even games and the internet can be psychologically addictive.

Got me there. DotA consumes all my free time. :(

[No1451]

Got me there. DotA consumes all my free time. :(

Werd, lets get some ownage up on US East. My Dazzle needs more bodies for the feedbag.

Hello everyone, my name is Shane and I am a DotA addict.

[bobertoq]

I do ibuprofen and benadryl every once in a while.

[StruckANerve]

I smoke pot regularly. Once or Twice a week at night usually. And too many people chose never. The poll doesn't ask do you use ILLEGAL drugs. It just says drugs. Alcohol and Prescription meds count.