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iDisk
Jan 2, 2010, 08:39 PM
With Much anticipation about the January 26th event lets say Apple decides to skip Arrandale in the revision of the MacBook Air and decides to stick with the current generation processors.

Here's a revised Air that would make me much more eager to buy, plus this seems more realistic:



New Low End:

2.0Ghz
2GB 1066Mhz DDR3 Ram
128 GB SSD
Nvidia 9400m or 200m
6hr battery life (If they can then obviously 7)
$1,399





New High End:

2.33Ghz
4GB 1066Mhz DDR3 Ram
160 GB SSD
Nvidia 9400m or 200m
6hr battery life (Again 7 would be more fitting)
$1,899



Also Apple should open up the pixel sensor more in the MacBooks in general, but especially the Air.( Apple has moved to using a sensor capable of 1280x1024 pixels, but when accessed using provided APIs, the image is re-sampled to 640x480 pixels. However, Quartz Composer allows access to the 1280x1024 pixel video stream.)


This would be a more realistic upgrade from the current models. Also I think this would satisfy lots of future MacBook Air owners and current.

What do the rest of the MacBook Air community think? (Current & Potential future buyers)

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iDisk


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kennycheng93
Jan 2, 2010, 11:39 PM
I want 4GB DDR3 and 256GB SSD.

theappleguy
Jan 3, 2010, 02:57 AM
If that was the new high end, I'd buy one tomorrow. :)

Jobsian
Jan 3, 2010, 05:21 AM
Very nice post iDisk

Hmm, I like the specs and you're trying to keep it more realistic with eg only a modest increase in SDD space (I don't know if there are any 256GB SSDs, I think even the Adamo XPS 256GB SSD is 2.5")

However one of my biggest concerns about the MBA is the heat. Current MBA CPUs are 45nm Penryn. For Apple to put an even faster 45nm processor would worry me, eg if I load up Youtube the thing'll cook I'm sure.

If you recall, initial benchmarks showed that the Rev C 1.86GHz MBA actually outperformed the 2.13GHz Rev C in quite a few areas, one of the reasons postulated was that the 2.13GHz required more aggressive thermal management.

Several other forumites wouldn't mind seeing another Penryn (and I guess if Apple insist on not using Arrandale, I would settle for it too) however I really hope they use a 32nm Arrandale. Positive effects on battery, heat and noise per-clock.

Here would be my hopeful highest spec:

New High End:
* Core i7-640LM - 2.13GHz - 2.93GHz Turbo. Custom, without Intel IGP (as discussed here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=837861))
* 4GB DDR3 Ram
* 160 or 256 GB SSD (higher performance and with technology eg TRIM (to avoid SSD speed deterioration)
* Latest ATI low TDP Graphics card
* Stunning design
* >6 hour battery
* Previously unknown compelling feature
* Any price

Instant purchase!

miniConvert
Jan 3, 2010, 05:47 AM
I still find my 1.8/SSD pretty incredible, if I'm honest. I only wish Apple had never made a HDD version, I feel that's where a lot of disappointment in the Air originated from.

4GB of RAM would be a nice improvement, but with a machine as portable as the Air the single biggest improvement for me would be integrated 3G. Having to carry dongles around is a pain in the arse. :)

zedsdead
Jan 3, 2010, 06:14 AM
If there is still an HDD version, the price should fall below the Macbook Pro. There is simply no reason for it to be higher anymore, as it has zero features that the pro does not have. When it first came out it had a better screen than the Macbook (both plastic and aluminum), it originally was the only Mac with the enlarged trackpad, had a black back-lit keyboard, and it was the first and only unibody design for a while. It made sense that it was priced between the Macbook and Macbook Pro.

Now that the Macbook Pro's have incorporated everything the Air had into it, the base model should be $999, with the SSD model's higher.

And fix the damn line and hinge problems Apple:mad:, then I will consider switching back.

iDisk
Jan 3, 2010, 07:34 AM
I want 4GB DDR3 and 256GB SSD.

Wants and needs are much different KC93 (I'm sure you know that). I want a 12-core 16GB Ram 1TBSSD, highest end graphics, still keep the same peripherals though, Anodized black aluminum unibody (I miss the black macbook). :) Though I really don't need that. :rolleyes:

Very nice post iDisk

Hmm, I like the specs and you're trying to keep it more realistic with eg only a modest increase in SDD space (I don't know if there are any 256GB SSDs, I think even the Adamo XPS 256GB SSD is 2.5")

Thanks.....Actually their is a 1.8" Drive and much FASTER then the "Runcore" talked about in these forums. Micron Technologies have done very well over the past years. Their new drives were just announced Dec 9 2009 PLUS IT'S THE ONLY SATA 6 gb/s Interface Support

http://www.micron.com/products/real_ssd/ssd/client/index.aspx (The Annoucement/Video)

They will be released Q1 of this year and its a good Video BTW.

However one of my biggest concerns about the MBA is the heat. Current MBA CPUs are 45nm Penryn. For Apple to put an even faster 45nm processor would worry me, eg if I load up Youtube the thing'll cook I'm sure.

If you recall, initial benchmarks showed that the Rev C 1.86GHz MBA actually outperformed the 2.13GHz Rev C in quite a few areas, one of the reasons postulated was that the 2.13GHz required more aggressive thermal management.

Several other forumites wouldn't mind seeing another Penryn (and I guess if Apple insist on not using Arrandale, I would settle for it too) however I really hope they use a 32nm Arrandale. Positive effects on battery, heat and noise per-clock.

Here would be my hopeful highest spec:

New High End:
* Core i7-640LM - 2.13GHz - 2.93GHz Turbo. Custom, without Intel IGP (as discussed here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=837861))
* 4GB DDR3 Ram
* 160 or 256 GB SSD (higher performance and with technology eg TRIM (to avoid SSD speed deterioration)
* Latest ATI low TDP Graphics card
* Stunning design
* >6 hour battery
* Previously unknown compelling feature
* Any price

Instant purchase!

Apple could use these two Arrandale processors:

Low End Processor:

Core i5-520UM
The frequency is still 1066Mhz
Turbo 2.13
GPU Frequency is 500Mhz
L3 Cache at 3MB (Thats one hidden plus for the current Air, since it has 6MB L2 Cache)
18w TDP (Thermal Design Power) for those who don't know.

High End Processor:

Core i7-620UM
The frequency is still 1066Mhz
Turbo is still 2.13
GPU Frequency is still 500Mhz
4MB L3 Cache
18w TDP


... GRAPHICS ....

With ATI then we could see the ATI Mobility Radeon X1000 Series. Possible x1300 - x1400. Look for yourself

http://www.amd.com/us/products/notebook/graphics/ati-mobility-hd-x1000/Pages/ati-mobility-hd-x1000.aspx

I still find my 1.8/SSD pretty incredible, if I'm honest. I only wish Apple had never made a HDD version, I feel that's where a lot of disappointment in the Air originated from.

4GB of RAM would be a nice improvement, but with a machine as portable as the Air the single biggest improvement for me would be integrated 3G. Having to carry dongles around is a pain in the arse. :)

I'm hoping Apple sets the new standard and has all SSD in their next refresh for the MacBook Air

If there is still an HDD version, the price should fall below the Macbook Pro. There is simply no reason for it to be higher anymore, as it has zero features that the pro does not have. When it first came out it had a better screen than the Macbook (both plastic and aluminum), it originally was the only Mac with the enlarged trackpad, had a black back-lit keyboard, and it was the first and only unibody design for a while. It made sense that it was priced between the Macbook and Macbook Pro.

Now that the Macbook Pro's have incorporated everything the Air had into it, the base model should be $999, with the SSD model's higher.

And fix the damn line and hinge problems Apple:mad:, then I will consider switching back.

I was going to respond but noticed you were just ranting and not making to much sense, trying to compare an Air to a Pro.

MacModMachine
Jan 3, 2010, 07:37 AM
Very nice post iDisk

Hmm, I like the specs and you're trying to keep it more realistic with eg only a modest increase in SDD space (I don't know if there are any 256GB SSDs, I think even the Adamo XPS 256GB SSD is 2.5")

However one of my biggest concerns about the MBA is the heat. Current MBA CPUs are 45nm Penryn. For Apple to put an even faster 45nm processor would worry me, eg if I load up Youtube the thing'll cook I'm sure.

If you recall, initial benchmarks showed that the Rev C 1.86GHz MBA actually outperformed the 2.13GHz Rev C in quite a few areas, one of the reasons postulated was that the 2.13GHz required more aggressive thermal management.

Several other forumites wouldn't mind seeing another Penryn (and I guess if Apple insist on not using Arrandale, I would settle for it too) however I really hope they use a 32nm Arrandale. Positive effects on battery, heat and noise per-clock.

Here would be my hopeful highest spec:

New High End:
* Core i7-640LM - 2.13GHz - 2.93GHz Turbo. Custom, without Intel IGP (as discussed here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=837861))
* 4GB DDR3 Ram
* 160 or 256 GB SSD (higher performance and with technology eg TRIM (to avoid SSD speed deterioration)
* Latest ATI low TDP Graphics card
* Stunning design
* >6 hour battery
* Previously unknown compelling feature
* Any price

Instant purchase!

i dont think you will have to worry much about heat, the heatsink and fan cooling system in the air now was fairly rushed and impossible to change afterwards with its current design.

designing a new cooling system for it would not be difficult and would provide it with a much better thermal handling.

for instance, a smaller plate heatsink like the one in the air now could be moved by a tiny heatpipe into a copper rod/heatsink that could move along the back of the laptop to significantly drop the temperatures of it. this would not effect the battery , ssd/hdd or any other device because of its location.

i think the cooling system can be revamped and it will be.

zedsdead
Jan 3, 2010, 07:45 AM
I was going to respond but noticed you were just ranting and not making to much sense, trying to compare an Air to a Pro.

Could you give me one valid reason the Air costs more than a Pro, because there isn't one component in it that warrants the cost to be higher in the Air. There used to be many reasons, but that has changed due to the great updates to the Pro line.

As for the line and hinge problems, they are widespread and an embarrassment. I've owned three Rev A's, and two Rev B's, and I have had just about every single issue one can have with all the major faults the Air has had.

However, I will gladly buy one again if Apple actually corrects all of those faults (and some have been corrected, but the two biggest are still there).

I think the Macbook Air is going to be the first Apple laptop to go 16x9, but who know's.

iDisk
Jan 3, 2010, 08:06 AM
i dont think you will have to worry much about heat, the heatsink and fan cooling system in the air now was fairly rushed and impossible to change afterwards with its current design.

designing a new cooling system for it would not be difficult and would provide it with a much better thermal handling.

for instance, a smaller plate heatsink like the one in the air now could be moved by a tiny heatpipe into a copper rod/heatsink that could move along the back of the laptop to significantly drop the temperatures of it. this would not effect the battery , ssd/hdd or any other device because of its location.

i think the cooling system can be revamped and it will be.

....I know this has nothing to do with my post, but your Avatar is hilarious and also your love of pies, where's that character from?.....

Could you give me one valid reason the Air costs more than a Pro, because there isn't one component in it that warrants the cost to be higher in the Air. There used to be many reasons, but that has changed due to the great updates to the Pro line.

As for the line and hinge problems, they are widespread and an embarrassment. I've owned three Rev A's, and two Rev B's, and I have had just about every single issue one can have with all the major faults the Air has had.

However, I will gladly buy one again if Apple actually corrects all of those faults (and some have been corrected, but the two biggest are still there).

I think the Macbook Air is going to be the first Apple laptop to go 16x9, but who know's.

Wow you fall into the 1 percentile that just couldn't catch a break. That's unfortunate to hear.

zedsdead
Jan 3, 2010, 08:18 AM
....I know this has nothing to do with my post, but your Avatar is hilarious and also your love of pies, where's that character from?.....



Wow you fall into the 1 percentile that just couldn't catch a break. That's unfortunate to hear.

It's not 1%. Almost every, if not every Rev B and C Macbook Air have the line issue, ask Scottsdale. Most people are not noticing or not caring, but the display is inferior to every other Apple product out there minus the plastic Macbook. I live in NY, and have been to many in the area and I have never seen one without the line issue. I remember turning on the Rev B and immediately noticing how washed out and dim it was compared to my Macbook Air Rev A (problem is, the Rev A had so many other issues it wasn't worth keeping).

As for the hinge problem, there are many complaints about it...do a search.

Also note, that I was a huge supporter of the Air (hell I payed about $3000 for the Rev A model) because I loved the idea of it, but Apple needs to fix some of the issues, that is all I am saying.

iDisk
Jan 3, 2010, 08:35 AM
It's not 1%. Almost every, if not every Rev B and C Macbook Air have the line issue, ask Scottsdale. Most people are not noticing or not caring, but the display is inferior to every other Apple product out there minus the plastic Macbook. I live in NY, and have been to many in the area and I have never seen one without the line issue. I remember turning on the Rev B and immediately noticing how washed out and dim it was compared to my Macbook Air Rev A (problem is, the Rev A had so many other issues it wasn't worth keeping).

As for the hinge problem, there are many complaints about it...do a search.

Also note, that I was a huge supporter of the Air (hell I payed about $3000 for the Rev A model) because I loved the idea of it, but Apple needs to fix some of the issues, that is all I am saying.

Okay well noted ;) . Peace and Love zed. I can agree with the hinge problem. A female friend of mine has a MacBook Air and when I went to use it the screen fell back like a tablet.

We both stared at each other and said "This isn't normal" lol, but I later explained to her that this was 1 issue on the Apple forums people have discussed. Her screen looked fine BTW. She had the 80GB Rev A version.

zedsdead
Jan 3, 2010, 09:38 AM
Okay well noted ;) . Peace and Love zed. I can agree with the hinge problem. A female friend of mine has a MacBook Air and when I went to use it the screen fell back like a tablet.

We both stared at each other and said "This isn't normal" lol, but I later explained to her that this was 1 issue on the Apple forums people have discussed. Her screen looked fine BTW. She had the 80GB Rev A version.

The Rev A screens were amazing. Rev B and C have the line issue.

I can't wait for the next revision, because I think this time there is going to be a case redesign in favor of a 16x9 screen. Hopefully other goodies come with it, like 4 gigs of RAM, a bigger SSD and the Glass Trackpad.

I also would love more battery life as well, but I do not think Apple can fit a bigger battery in it. I would also rather them stick with Core2Duo and the NVIDIA chipsets instead of the horrid Intel Graphics and a better processor.

iDisk
Jan 3, 2010, 10:08 AM
The Rev A screens were amazing. Rev B and C have the line issue.

I can't wait for the next revision, because I think this time there is going to be a case redesign in favor of a 16x9 screen. Hopefully other goodies come with it, like 4 gigs of RAM, a bigger SSD and the Glass Trackpad.

I also would love more battery life as well, but I do not think Apple can fit a bigger battery in it. I would also rather them stick with Core2Duo and the NVIDIA chipsets instead of the horrid Intel Graphics and a better processor.

Yes that dispute between Intel and Nvidia was not good for anybody.

ATI can be a viable solution and Apple could have a special request with the Arrandale chipsets by requesting the Intel Graphics be disabled.

I'm sold on the 32nm processor. That's the only way for Apple to redesign the Air and to also fit 4gb ram and a slightly higher capacity SSD.

Also with the introduction of the Micron SSD's. Air owners can modify their Airs with a SCREAMING fast 256SSD.

As I mentioned in my new thread "Air Owners rejoice" their new SSD DWARFS, the Runcore SSD's (In ALL categories) not to mention they're the 1st to have a 1.8" 256GB version

zedsdead
Jan 3, 2010, 10:11 AM
Yes that dispute between Intel and Nvidia was not good for anybody.

ATI can be a viable solution and Apple could have a special request with the Arrandale chipsets by requesting the Intel Graphics be disabled.

I'm sold on the 32nm processor. That's the only way for Apple to redesign the Air and to also fit 4gb ram and a slightly higher capacity SSD.

Also with the introduction of the Micron SSD's. Air owners can modify their Airs with a SCREAMING fast 256SSD.

As I mentioned in my new thread "Air Owners rejoice" their new SSD DWARFS, the Runcore SSD's (In ALL categories) not to mention they're the 1st to have a 1.8" 256GB version

I agree that the new processors will help, great point. Lets just hope Apple told Intel to forget their graphics chipset in favor of ATI then.:)

As for the SSD, I was just looking at it. That is great.

jimboutilier
Jan 3, 2010, 10:56 AM
It's not 1%. Almost every, if not every Rev B and C Macbook Air have the line issue, ask Scottsdale.

And just like you, Scottsdale has absolutely no meaningful statistics to back up such a claim. All such claims I've seen to date are based on anecdotal experience and hearsay. The few things I have seen real statistics for (MBA sales figures, and satisfaction surveys) would tend to dispute such claims of serious widespread issues.

Thats not to say these problems don't exist (I have no doubt they do) and that they are serious to those experiencing them, but don't you think we'd see reports from major tech news sources quoting any widespread systemic problems outside the industry norm? Even anecdotally, I've seen many "do you have this problem" threads where there are many NO responses that should cast doubt on any conclusions other than some have issues and some don't. Sorry you've had so many problems, but realize you are outside the norm.

So from someone thats never had any of these issues on a couple MBA's and someone who knows another handful of people that have never had any of these issues, I can unequivocally and scientifically say that the ridiculous claim of "if not every RevB and C" is busted.

And while the MBA sales figures and satisfaction surveys would imply that claims of widespread serious defects are just as ridiculous, it could be a case of people being happy in spite of the flaws so we'll just have to say the jury is still out on that until we see some meaningful statistics.

If you can point me to a reliable source with meaningful statistics that does show an unusually high defect rate I'll be happy to revise my opinion. But until then, I'll just keep in mind that these defects are out there and likely impact a small percentage of machines as is the industry norm.

fun173
Jan 3, 2010, 11:05 AM
if they put 4 gigs of ram in and dont put a peice of glass over the screen. The air will be my next mac. Do you guys think they will put that awful multi touch trackpad with no button in it?

iDisk
Jan 3, 2010, 11:10 AM
And just like you, Scottsdale has absolutely no meaningful statistics to back up such a claim.

Hey Jim do people look to this user "Scottsdale" as the dali lama of information for the macbook air?

Not trying to make waves, but people who post should have facts/statistics about what there claiming it informs the lesser informed and contributes well to the forum/thread as a index to reference back to.

darkus
Jan 3, 2010, 11:16 AM
Your specs sound very spot on...

iDisk
Jan 3, 2010, 11:16 AM
if they put 4 gigs of ram in and dont put a peice of glass over the screen. The air will be my next mac. Do you guys think they will put that awful multi touch trackpad with no button in it?

If they're able to keep the weight either the same or even shave a few grams, they may be able to fit the Multi-Touch trackpad for the next air refresh.

* The trackpad is a personal liking or disliking (Apple sales proves the users like it) ;)

jimboutilier
Jan 3, 2010, 11:24 AM
Hey Jim do people look to this user "Scottsdale" as the dali lama of information for the macbook air?

Not trying to make waves, but people who post should have facts/statistics about what there claiming it informs the lesser informed and contributes well to the forum/thread as a index to reference back to.

Scottsdale has been an extremely enthusiastic and active participant in the MBA forums here. On the plus side, he's intelligent, knowledgeable, and has helped a lot of folks with his fact based posting here. On the minus side, he holds a lot of strong opinions that he tends to put forth as fact (and they are not) so you have to take care in reading his posts to see if they are fact or opinion based. Thats not even to say I disagree with his opinions all the time, I just have trouble with folks posting opinions as fact - because its leads to the misinformed as we see here.

iDisk
Jan 3, 2010, 11:34 AM
Scottsdale has been an extremely enthusiastic and active participant in the MBA forums here. On the plus side, he's intelligent, knowledgeable, and has helped a lot of folks with his fact based posting here. On the minus side, he holds a lot of strong opinions that he tends to put forth as fact (and they are not) so you have to take care in reading his posts to see if they are fact or opinion based. Thats not even to say I disagree with his opinions all the time, I just have trouble with folks posting opinions as fact - because its leads to the misinformed as we see here.

Yeah posting opinions you claim are facts isn't good forum etiquette. Though maybe if people provide links and stats to their information the Air forums can slowly change for the good.

At least he's an intelligent person and helps other forum members.

Jobsian
Jan 3, 2010, 11:54 AM
i dont think you will have to worry much about heat, the heatsink and fan cooling system in the air now was fairly rushed and impossible to change afterwards with its current design.

designing a new cooling system for it would not be difficult and would provide it with a much better thermal handling.

for instance, a smaller plate heatsink like the one in the air now could be moved by a tiny heatpipe into a copper rod/heatsink that could move along the back of the laptop to significantly drop the temperatures of it. this would not effect the battery , ssd/hdd or any other device because of its location.

i think the cooling system can be revamped and it will be.
Thanks MMM, I wasn't aware of that heatsink/fan info, I hope Apple make the next Air really cool, even bedworthy.

zedsdead
Jan 3, 2010, 05:04 PM
If they're able to keep the weight either the same or even shave a few grams, they may be able to fit the Multi-Touch trackpad for the next air refresh.

* The trackpad is a personal liking or disliking (Apple sales proves the users like it) ;)

It's not about the weight, but the depth of the Trackpad. Hopefully Apple figures something out because the Glass Trackpad is amazing.

As for the black bezel, that would add a significant amount of weight because of the extra glass panel in front of it so don't expect it to come.

Scottsdale has been an extremely enthusiastic and active participant in the MBA forums here. On the plus side, he's intelligent, knowledgeable, and has helped a lot of folks with his fact based posting here. On the minus side, he holds a lot of strong opinions that he tends to put forth as fact (and they are not) so you have to take care in reading his posts to see if they are fact or opinion based. Thats not even to say I disagree with his opinions all the time, I just have trouble with folks posting opinions as fact - because its leads to the misinformed as we see here.


As for statistics, I've seen well over 30 Rev B and C Macbook Air's in the NYC area between Apple Stores and Best Buy's + the ones I owned, and not one has ever not had the line issue, not one. Most people simply don't notice it, which is the only reason Apple has gotten away with it. I can't have such bad luck that since the Rev B came out, I have never seen a good Macbook Air. The issue is widespread. Once you see the lines, it becomes very annoying. There is no reason for Apple not to fix this problem with the next revision (it should have been fixed with the Rev C).

racer1441
Jan 3, 2010, 06:17 PM
Would love to see a low end MBA at the $999.99 price point.

Icaras
Jan 4, 2010, 11:15 PM
Would love to see a low end MBA at the $999.99 price point.

I would love to see this too, but the only way this is happening is if they lower the current Macbook pricing or they all out discontinue it, which I don't see happening.

Arex
Jan 5, 2010, 08:07 AM
Well - you guys have covered most of the things I was hoping to see, so let me throw a couple of other thoughts in - firstly what do you think about a different screen shape? Haven't the recent iMac's gone from 16:10 down to 16:9? If a similar change was to hit the Air, I guess that would take the screen to a resolution 1360x768 which is about perfect for 720p video?

I guess I also have my fingers crossed for a high speed external interface to make hooking up more storage easy. I don't imagine firewire 800 is going to be fitted, but are we too early for USB3 or similar?

pukifloyd
Jan 5, 2010, 12:11 PM
I would love to see this too, but the only way this is happening is if they lower the current Macbook pricing or they all out discontinue it, which I don't see happening.

or they update the MB with better processor and more RAM so that it fills the gap between the base model of air and the MBP...$999 for air would be awesome

theappleguy
Jan 5, 2010, 07:24 PM
16:10 down to 16:9? If a similar change was to hit the Air, I guess that would take the screen to a resolution 1360x768 which is about perfect for 720p video?16:10 is a better ratio for small screens. 16:9 works fine for the 27-inch iMac, and I suppose you can get away with it on the 21-inch, but I wouldn't like to see Apple using 16:9 in anything smaller (that's not to say they won't though).

coast1ja
Jan 5, 2010, 09:33 PM
I highly doubt a $999 MBA will happen... it doesn't make good marketing sense. If it were to happen, it would have to be a severely underpowered computer, as to not steal every sale from the 13" macbook and 13" MBP.

I bet we'll get an MBA with similar specs as the base 13" MBP now, but a few hundred dollars more in price... think $1499 for the 'base' model (2gb ram, about 2.26ghz). THen I would expect a high-end with 4gb, 128 or 256gb SSD, and around 2.5ghz for $1999 or above. I think that would make the most sense for apple and for us. Apple would hate for MBA sales to be 'poached' from their other models. I bet you'll get good specs, but for a few hundred dollars more than a comparable MB or MBP.

nagromme
Jan 6, 2010, 01:50 PM
The main thing I want: lose the extra margin around the screen and keyboard. Is possible, the machine could be that much smaller and still have the same screen/keys.

Otherwise, my aging original-release Air is still pretty close to perfect! I’m sure I’ll get another one when I need a speed kick. I’d like the glass no-button trackpad—and update the speed and graphics of course, that always happens. And I wouldn’t mind the black real-glass screen surface of the other laptops, if space permits.

I’d say more battery life—never a bad thing. But I have to say, the battery has been awesome on this thing. Two years later and I still can go a nice long time on a charge. (I only do so when I HAVE to, but still, compared to past laptops, this battery has lasted!)

Manatee
Jan 6, 2010, 02:32 PM
I have a 1st gen Air, and it's fallen into disuse since I got a 13" MacBook Pro. I do notice the different in weight, but the 64GB SSD is just too small for me. I realize this is easily overcome now, but the other feature I really want is 4GB RAM.

What it would take for me to buy a new MacBook Air:

Any modest updates and 4GB RAM capability. That's my minimum.

I'd also really like:
- 256GB SSD (yeah, I know it doesn't exist yet) option
- One-piece glass track pad, like the MacBook Pro

Nice to have:
- USB 3.0
- Second USB port

That's about it for me.

Quad 2.5 G5 =)
Jan 6, 2010, 03:49 PM
I do think that an upgrade to 4GB is overdue, but I do not think that a black bezel for the display could be done, due to the extra weight. One possible thing that could be done would be a speed bump, maybe a ultra low voltage Core 2 Quad? Or this would sound nice "MacBook Air, now with Core i7". A 2nd USB port, and/or a SD or microSD slot would be nice. I'd be the first in line if Apple put the 9600M GT in it, or a 15" MBA. :) Realistically, this wouldn't happen, but a $999 MBA could, with the 1.6Ghz C2D, 120GB HD and the 9400M.

ayeying
Jan 6, 2010, 03:59 PM
I just want the air to have a new heatsink design.. the status quo doesn't work when the system is stressed at 100% for long periods of time

jimboutilier
Jan 6, 2010, 07:23 PM
I just want the air to have a new heatsink design.. the status quo doesn't work when the system is stressed at 100% for long periods of time

Yeah, Apple really could take some lessons from the heat pipe designs in other thin and light computers from the likes of Sony and Asus. Packing a lot of power into such a thin package is not easy but I think there is room for improvement here.

stoconnell
Jan 6, 2010, 07:46 PM
I am sure I will get flamed for this, but I think apple would do well to get rid of the tapers and go with slab sides (where the tapers start now or keep the taper but push it out further) to allow for more options in terms of vent -- I really dislike the current vent location --, battery size and port placement and variety. It would not be as aesthetically pleasing, but the functionality increase would be huge.

I really do like my MacBook Air, and at the time of purchase, it was really the only option as the unibody macbook wasn't doing it for me in terms of screen quality/functionality and the 15" MacBook Pros are just too darn big (I have one from work). Having said that, my wife recently got a 13" MBP (after giving up on Windows). Thinking about it more, I wish there was something more like the MBP sans DVD that hit at the 3.5 pound weight that had more battery and ports (full disclosure, I really just want a gigE port, but a second USB port and/or SD slot would be gravy that rarely if ever use ;) -- something analogous to the Thinkpad X200.

Thunder82
Jan 6, 2010, 08:47 PM
I'd be the first in line if Apple put the 9600M GT in it

You'd be the first (and likely only) person in line for an $1800 molten paperweight :P

ayeying
Jan 6, 2010, 09:40 PM
Yeah, Apple really could take some lessons from the heat pipe designs in other thin and light computers from the likes of Sony and Asus. Packing a lot of power into such a thin package is not easy but I think there is room for improvement here.

But I do understand the status quo heatsink. I've been trying to create a mock up prototype heatsink with Copper/Aluminum and it just doesn't work due to the size. However, if the fan was smaller, we could use a heatsink with fins similar to a mini size MacBook/13" MacBook Pro heatsink

PreetinderBajwa
Jan 6, 2010, 11:15 PM
Hi All,

I have the MBA REv B which I got recently. As evryone is suggesting their views, here a few that I think would make me buy the newer model almost instantaneously (money permitting) :

1. 4GB DDR 3 RAM
2. 7/8 hour battery life
3. 256GB SSD
4. Processor (don't really care, as long as beachball doesn't strike everytime more than 2/3 programmes are working, like word/excel/pivots/a couple of webpages/iphoto/iTune for browsing and playing - not editing)
5. Heat problems, it sometimes really gets hot to keep the laptop on the lap !
6. An extra USB port/Firewire (to do a transfer from time machine when you set up a new machine/install software I think you need the Firewire/ethernet cable)
7. Stronger Wifi signal catching

The design, the weight, the screen and the overall asthetics are just superb.... so much better sized than any netbook or netbook+ category.

Also, I don't know about everyone else, but I have used the MBA much more than my uMBP 17", had the MBA been a stronger machine etc I wonder if I would have sold my uMBP !

Cheers

Preetinder

XboxMySocks
Jan 6, 2010, 11:28 PM
256GB SSD.
wat


Right now the biggest you're gonna find is about 128/168 Gb.

Beric
Jan 7, 2010, 01:26 AM
wat


Right now the biggest you're gonna find is about 128/168 Gb.

Wrong. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010150636+1421330854+1421446019&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&Subcategory=636&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=)

Abyssgh0st
Jan 7, 2010, 01:56 AM
Wrong. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010150636+1421330854+1421446019&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&Subcategory=636&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=)

Nice try, but that link you posted contains only 2.5" SSDs. Obviously the MacBook Air would only use a 1.8" drive, and presumably it would need a LIF connection. So unless the SSD seen here (http://www.micron.com/products/real_ssd/ssd/client/index.aspx SSD seen here) uses a LIF connection, or if it just happens to be who Apple chooses for the next MBA for their SSDs (highly unlikely), or if it is an after-party modification that would be the only option.

Don't think you could find me a 1.8" LIF 256GB SSD that works with the MBA.

kozar91
Jan 7, 2010, 11:22 AM
carbon fiber/composite body - weight down around 2lbs.
smaller footprint - 8.5 x 11, just like a sheet of paper
just over .5 in. thick

Quad 2.5 G5 =)
Jan 7, 2010, 11:41 AM
You'd be the first (and likely only) person in line for an $1800 molten paperweight :P

True..but then is it possible to design an ultrathin watercooling system? Now that, in a Air, or any other MB/MBP would be awesome.

MacModMachine
Jan 7, 2010, 12:05 PM
Wrong. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010150636+1421330854+1421446019&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&Subcategory=636&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=)

you need to crawl from under your rock.....

way to link 2.5" ssd's, were talking about the air, which as stated is 1.8" LIF

Scottsdale
Jan 7, 2010, 03:24 PM
you need to crawl from under your rock.....

way to link 2.5" ssd's, were talking about the air, which as stated is 1.8" LIF

Not only that, the MBA uses a 1.8" drive with a further requirement of a 5mm height clearance... most 1.8" drives are 7 to 9mm. In addition, it requires an LIF cable... and there are two drives on the market meeting those specifications and both max at 128 GB. Now, I do think a larger SSD will soon be possible/available, but for now 128 GB is where we are stuck.

Bosman
Jan 17, 2010, 03:23 PM
I highly doubt a $999 MBA will happen... it doesn't make good marketing sense. If it were to happen, it would have to be a severely underpowered computer, as to not steal every sale from the 13" macbook and 13" MBP.

I bet we'll get an MBA with similar specs as the base 13" MBP now, but a few hundred dollars more in price... think $1499 for the 'base' model (2gb ram, about 2.26ghz). THen I would expect a high-end with 4gb, 128 or 256gb SSD, and around 2.5ghz for $1999 or above. I think that would make the most sense for apple and for us. Apple would hate for MBA sales to be 'poached' from their other models. I bet you'll get good specs, but for a few hundred dollars more than a comparable MB or MBP.

This isn't too far off...
http://store.apple.com/us/product/FB543?mco=MTM3NDgzNjY

brendu
Jan 17, 2010, 04:27 PM
Here would be my hopeful highest spec:

New High End:
* Core i7-640LM - 2.13GHz - 2.93GHz Turbo. Custom, without Intel IGP (as discussed here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=837861))
* 4GB DDR3 Ram
* 160 or 256 GB SSD (higher performance and with technology eg TRIM (to avoid SSD speed deterioration)
* Latest ATI low TDP Graphics card
* Stunning design
* >6 hour battery
* Previously unknown compelling feature
* Any price

Instant purchase!

What if the price was $30,000.00?

Scottsdale
Jan 17, 2010, 09:40 PM
What if the price was $30,000.00?

Unfortunately, even I would have to draw the line there. I would drop $5k to get the MBA I really love and want, and some would call that insane. We each have our own pricepoint where it no longer becomes worth the marginal utility it provides. I would say it's around $5k for me. But it would have to be one heck of a system!

Let's say Arrandale 32nm 2.5 GHz Core i7, ATI dedicated graphics, 8 GB RAM, 500 GB SSD next v. SATA, black aluminum, glass trackpad, 14" oled HD 3D display, aluminum capped keyboard to match frame, 6-hour battery, .5" thick, and weighs in at 2.5 lbs. That's the MBA I would go crazy for! It would have to be really amazing for me to pay more.

At the same time, we know Apple isn't going to make a $5000 MBA. However, I think it should use a system of lowering the base price for the MBA and adding a bunch of BTO options allowing the higher-end components for those who wanted them. I can see a $1299 base with options adding upwards to $4k. That could get all of the lower end buyers into a system that fulfills the travelers needs. However, it captures the higher-end enthusiasts/business professionals needs/wants of high-end fun filled features.

csnplt
Jan 17, 2010, 10:11 PM
L3 Cache at 3MB (Thats one hidden plus for the current Air, since it has 6MB L2 Cache)

L3 Cache is slower than L2 Cache. However, the newer Intel processor designs (Nehalem and newer) can scale more efficiently from dual core at the lower end to 8 core at the high end (the new cache hierarchy w/ L3 shared among all cores helps this). Each core still has dedicated L2 cache, though, as well as L1 cache, which is the fastest of all but takes up the most room.

spaceballl
Jan 18, 2010, 12:44 AM
I want 4GB DDR3 and 256GB SSD.
Same here... If they stick that in the MBA, I'll get that. I don't think they will put 256GB in there, though... and i'll have to get the 13" MBP

clickgr
Jan 18, 2010, 04:53 AM
I don't need better processor, nor better graphic card, bigger HD, other screen etc. for the Air. I only need 4GB RAM, standard SSD=long-life battery and low price below $1300. If Apple introduces something like this I will buy it immediately.

emvy
Jan 18, 2010, 06:48 AM
You have to look at little bit more forward, rather than envision that the changes will be CPU or RAM related.

The biggest change will be the inclusion of a glass (or other material) touch sensitive surface in lieu of a keyboard. This will allow inclusion of all kinds of 'widgets' on the 'keyboard', including keyboard customization, etc.

So you would be able to change key spacing, or perhaps include keyboard layouts from other manufacturers (eg the infamous ibm thinkpad keyboard), and so on.

puma1552
Jan 18, 2010, 07:23 AM
You have to look at little bit more forward, rather than envision that the changes will be CPU or RAM related.

The biggest change will be the inclusion of a glass (or other material) touch sensitive surface in lieu of a keyboard. This will allow inclusion of all kinds of 'widgets' on the 'keyboard', including keyboard customization, etc.

So you would be able to change key spacing, or perhaps include keyboard layouts from other manufacturers (eg the infamous ibm thinkpad keyboard), and so on.

After reading this same thing in the other thread, I wasn't going to say anything but after seeing it written here for a second time, I have to tell you-----you are going to be MASSIVELY disappointed when the next Air comes out, if it even ever does.

Amazing how update after update after update by Apple people still expect them to deliver the moon and then some, and then update after update after update you get lackluster updates, and everyone complains.

Here's what you'll get:

HIGH END:

--2.4 GHz C2D
--160 GB SSD (256 *maybe* but doubtful, Apple won't give you a 100% hard drive space increase overnight)
--4 GB RAM
--GPU, who knows who cares, something lackluster, either continue with an outdated NVIDIA or switch to an outdated ATI 4xxx
--Glass trackpad
--Garbage screen with lines

LOW END:

--2.26 GHz C2D
--160 GB HDD
--2 GB RAM
--Same GPU as above
--Glass trackpad
--Garbage screen with lines

The only thing in my prediction I'm uncomfortable with is the same size hard drives in each, but I really don't think Apple will give us a 256 GB SSD. Hell, for all I know we will get a 160 GB SSD in the high end, and be insulted with the retaining of the 120 GB HDD in the base model.

Personally I think the Air is going to be EOL'ed soon. Haven't heard so much as a peep on updates, it's design is long in the tooth and dated, and it gets one back corner spot in the store if it's lucky.

clickgr
Jan 18, 2010, 07:29 AM
You have to look at little bit more forward, rather than envision that the changes will be CPU or RAM related.

The biggest change will be the inclusion of a glass (or other material) touch sensitive surface in lieu of a keyboard. This will allow inclusion of all kinds of 'widgets' on the 'keyboard', including keyboard customization, etc.

So you would be able to change key spacing, or perhaps include keyboard layouts from other manufacturers (eg the infamous ibm thinkpad keyboard), and so on.

Touch screen is nice for navigating web pages, photos etc. and for selecting 'widgets' like you do in iphone/ipod touch, but it sucks when in comes to typing due to the lack of feedback sense. For a full operational computer and not a pocket gadget, I would prefer a normal keyboard by far!

emvy
Jan 18, 2010, 09:43 AM
Touch screen is nice for navigating web pages, photos etc. and for selecting 'widgets' like you do in iphone/ipod touch, but it sucks when in comes to typing due to the lack of feedback sense. For a full operational computer and not a pocket gadget, I would prefer a normal keyboard by far!

Your brain (or perhaps your past experience) is tricking you in believing that you actually need force feedback for keyboard, when you actually don't.
It's just that with previous technology mechanical parts were needed for the keyboard (hence the force feedback).

In the beginning was the typewriter (a LOT of force feedback), then the old keyboard (still hard), now the new apple keyboards (almost silent), and then the iPhone with the virtual keyboard.

My father who grew up typing his texts on a typewriter, still presses the keys on his computer keyboard so hard, as if he was still using a typewriter! (true story). In the same way, newer generations (us including) will be accustomed to this new(er) input paradigm.

The virtual keyboard can actually operate like a real one, simulate the experience of a current keyboard using simple clicking sounds (or even more advanced features like 'micro-bumps'). Additionally it does not come with the limitations of a current keyboard (eg being completely static).

The new MBA is not going to be a new update by rehashing old components.
It has served its purpose, since most of the innovations included in it, have been transferred in the other laptop lines.

Expect something radical!

Scottsdale
Jan 18, 2010, 10:57 PM
After reading this same thing in the other thread, I wasn't going to say anything but after seeing it written here for a second time, I have to tell you-----you are going to be MASSIVELY disappointed when the next Air comes out, if it even ever does.

Amazing how update after update after update by Apple people still expect them to deliver the moon and then some, and then update after update after update you get lackluster updates, and everyone complains.

Here's what you'll get:

HIGH END:

--2.4 GHz C2D
--160 GB SSD (256 *maybe* but doubtful, Apple won't give you a 100% hard drive space increase overnight)
--4 GB RAM
--GPU, who knows who cares, something lackluster, either continue with an outdated NVIDIA or switch to an outdated ATI 4xxx
--Glass trackpad
--Garbage screen with lines

LOW END:

--2.26 GHz C2D
--160 GB HDD
--2 GB RAM
--Same GPU as above
--Glass trackpad
--Garbage screen with lines

The only thing in my prediction I'm uncomfortable with is the same size hard drives in each, but I really don't think Apple will give us a 256 GB SSD. Hell, for all I know we will get a 160 GB SSD in the high end, and be insulted with the retaining of the 120 GB HDD in the base model.

Personally I think the Air is going to be EOL'ed soon. Haven't heard so much as a peep on updates, it's design is long in the tooth and dated, and it gets one back corner spot in the store if it's lucky.

I actually liked the main part of this post. We all overexpect as Apple often underdelivers with its Mac updates. I agree with your expectations except for two things:

One, I don't believe the MBA form factor will be EOL'd but the brand might be. Apple will utilize the MBA form factor in all of its Mac notebooks over the next few years (as it has been). The MBA represents Apple's vision (or perhaps more appropriately Steve Jobs vision), and its form factor will be seen for a long time to come. Also, the MBA is representing the mobile lifestyle that people truly want. The tablet will focus on lower end use that includes some current computing tasks, and the MBA will focus on the mobile computer. What I mean is the MBA will be used by "professionals/enthusiasts" as a primary computer that don't need a professional grade computer but who actually need a real COMPUTER to work. The tablet will do everything that people are currently using the MBA as a secondary computer for... Web, email, entertainment, movies, music, and extremely light computing not meant for "work."

Two, I believe this update will offer us a STUNNING DISPLAY that will be an entirely new technology not found in any other Mac; it will be either OLED, HD (higher resolution), or 3D (or any combination thereof). I truly believe that Apple has an update in store for the display, FINALLY. I don't know about the rest of the component makeup, but I tend to agree completely with you that we will effectively be UNDERWHELMED!

I also see a price DROP to get into a base configuration down to around $1299. I see BTO options returning and a maxed out model coming in at $2000+.

clickgr
Jan 19, 2010, 03:05 AM
My prediction/wish

New Low End:

1.86Ghz
4GB 1066Mhz DDR3 Ram
128 GB SSD
Nvidia 9400M
7hr battery life
$1,399



New High End:

2.26Ghz
4GB 1066Mhz DDR3 Ram
256 GB SSD
Nvidia 9400M
7hr battery life
$1,699


Same design, same display, same keyboard, same ports.

From marketing point of view those changes should be followed by updates on 13” MacBook Pro’s.

AAPLaday
Jan 19, 2010, 09:26 AM
Im hoping for something specs wise that resembles this soon to be released Sony Vaio Z Series. (http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ContentDisplayView?hideHeaderFooter=false&storeId=10151&catalogId=10551&langId=-1&cmsId=z_press_page10) Now carved from a single slab of aluminium, the new line up will feature a Core i7-620M processor and up to 256GB of 'Quad SSD' storage - aka four SSDs strapped together. It has 13.3 inch display with resolution up to 1920x1080 :eek: up to 6GB ram and Nvidia GT 330M GPU with 1GB memory :eek:

Weighing a reported 1.43kg its not a brick either. Apple better pull its finger out on its laptop line up.

jimboutilier
Jan 19, 2010, 11:10 AM
Im hoping for something specs wise that resembles this soon to be released Sony Vaio Z Series. (http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ContentDisplayView?hideHeaderFooter=false&storeId=10151&catalogId=10551&langId=-1&cmsId=z_press_page10) Now carved from a single slab of aluminium, the new line up will feature a Core i7-620M processor and up to 256GB of 'Quad SSD' storage - aka four SSDs strapped together. It has 13.3 inch display with resolution up to 1920x1080 :eek: up to 6GB ram and Nvidia GT 330M GPU with 1GB memory :eek:

Weighing a reported 1.43kg its not a brick either. Apple better pull its finger out on its laptop line up.

On paper the Sony Z series has been a leader for a number of years. A great quality PC in a thin and light package with all the speed, amazing screen, huge feature list, power, and peripherals you would expect from a much larger machine. The sony Z series was the best PC laptop I ever owned. Awesome unit for the PC power user. And I think the Sony Z series continues its tradition here.

It was a Sony Z series I left when I transitioned to an early Intel Mac. While the feature list and paper specs of the Z were far superior (and I did miss some of the features like the biometrics, aircard etc), the MAC performed every bit as well and was far more reliable. Thats when I first really learned that feature lists and spec sheets are not nearly the whole story in having a machine that maximizes your productivity and minimizes your frustration.

Don't get me wrong, if I could get a MAC with the feature list and specs of a Sony Z and the user experience of current MACs I'd be ecstatic. But alas a great user experience is at odds with large feature lists and leading edge hardware specs. The more complex something is the longer it takes to get right and the faster you push something out the harder it is to get right.

Apple has always chosen longer product cycles and more modest feature sets and hardware specs in favor of a superior user experience. Thats not going to change any time soon. Apples market share continues to increase and their customer satisfaction remains among the highest of any brand. Apple has about a 60-70% market share of all PCs sold over $1000 so while they'll have to continue to evolve and improve I'm not sure they worry about directly completing with the likes of the Sony Z series. And don't forget a well configured Z can easily run over $3000!

Thunder82
Jan 19, 2010, 11:20 AM
Im hoping for something specs wise that resembles this soon to be released Sony Vaio Z Series. (http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ContentDisplayView?hideHeaderFooter=false&storeId=10151&catalogId=10551&langId=-1&cmsId=z_press_page10) Now carved from a single slab of aluminium, the new line up will feature a Core i7-620M processor and up to 256GB of 'Quad SSD' storage - aka four SSDs strapped together. It has 13.3 inch display with resolution up to 1920x1080 :eek: up to 6GB ram and Nvidia GT 330M GPU with 1GB memory :eek:

Weighing a reported 1.43kg its not a brick either. Apple better pull its finger out on its laptop line up.


Yeah, the new Z is a beast of a machine! (honestly wonder how it'll handle heat though) a higher resolution screen in the air would be amazing. Maybe not quite 1920x1080, but 1440x900 would be a welcome upgrade in my book.

jgp
Jan 31, 2010, 05:15 PM
I am one of this who are scratching their heads at the iPad. I have waited for years and years for an Apple tablet and the iPad just aint it. However, it seems that the Macbook Air, which is supposed to be an ultra light and elegant macbook, should take a page from the iPad. Designers often say that Job's strength and genius lies not in what he includes in a product, but what he excludes. The result often being a tour de force of elegant design and function. So, Mr. Jobs, please cut the keyboard off of the Macbook air and give us an OS X tablet!! Keyboard and mouse can attache via bluetooth.

Lighter, more elegant, more flexible.

I also hope for a tablet version with core i7 or i5...

Scottsdale
Jan 31, 2010, 08:41 PM
I am one of this who are scratching their heads at the iPad. I have waited for years and years for an Apple tablet and the iPad just aint it. However, it seems that the Macbook Air, which is supposed to be an ultra light and elegant macbook, should take a page from the iPad. Designers often say that Job's strength and genius lies not in what he includes in a product, but what he excludes. The result often being a tour de force of elegant design and function. So, Mr. Jobs, please cut the keyboard off of the Macbook air and give us an OS X tablet!! Keyboard and mouse can attache via bluetooth.

Lighter, more elegant, more flexible.

I also hope for a tablet version with core i7 or i5...

I really don't want the MBA to lose its keyboard. Why not ask Steve Jobs to put a real version of OS X on the iPad rather than ruin the brand MBA to make it a tablet.

The MBA will continue to be a Mac focused on being capable of primary computing for those who want elegance, simplicity, portability and still need the power of a MacBook.

I feel the iPad is missing the mark by not including Flash capabilities. In addition, it's missing the business capabilities by not having OS X. I see the iPad as a revolutionary device but not as a Mac nor as capable of primary computing for anyone except the most basics of users who need nothing more than a netbook but want a better experience/display to watch and be entertained.

Light web, minus the Flash, simple note taking, and light email is the traditional focus of the netbook. Add to that all of the other capabilities currently not being marketed by computer companies and an enhanced entertainment experience with stunning graphics and display.