John Gruber: No Camera on Apple Tablet

[MacRumors]

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In a brief comment (http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/01/12/techcrunch-tablet) regarding the Apple tablet, Daring Fireball's John Gruber, notes that his sources have indicated that the device will not include a camera.And, for what it's worth, I'm hearing there is no camera, webcam or otherwise, on The Tablet.The much-followed Gruber has several times in the past offered accurate information on forthcoming Apple products, most recently correctly revealing (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/10/19/rumors-of-new-apple-hardware-tomorrow-swirling/) Apple's October product unveilings (with the exception of his "wildcard" multi-touch trackpad gadget claim) the evening before their release.

Little more than speculation has suggested that Apple's tablet will include a digital camera, with such rumors sparked in early April (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/03/apple-ordering-3-2-and-5-megapixel-camera-sensors-for-iphone-and-future-product/) with a report that Apple had ordered both 3.2- and 5-megapixel camera sensors, with the former slated for what became the iPhone 3GS and the latter for a product scheduled for introduction later in 2009.

Sources were also fairly quiet about whether the tablet would offer a webcam until relatively recently, when claims began to increase. The earliest widespread claim of a webcam appears to have been in mid-August (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/13/apple-tablet-to-offer-webcam-option-serve-as-touchscreen-input-device-for-macs/) with reports that Apple would offer two models, with and without webcam. Webcam speculation increased significantly yesterday after France Telecom executive Stéphane Richard appeared to offer some confirmation (http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/11/france-telecom-executive-confirms-forthcoming-release-of-apple-tablet/) of a forthcoming tablet release including a webcam option for videoconferencing, although company representatives quickly clarified that Richard's comments had been misconstrued.

Article Link: John Gruber: No Camera on Apple Tablet (http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/12/john-gruber-no-camera-on-apple-tablet/)

[miles01110]

A camera on a tablet would just make the tablet even more stupid. It's already trying to be an iPhone and a Macbook.

[thegoldenmackid]

There goes touchscreen videochats...

It would be odd taking a picture with the thing.

[gibbz]

Yeah, if the device is mainly media consumption, I don't know that a camera is imperative.

[John McCollum]

I'll be disappointed. I'd like to have the option to use this device for video conferencing. Boooo.

[ssteve]

I don't know about anyone else, but I not only want a camera on my tablet, but it better be at least 5 MP. ;) haha

[rdowns]

A camera on a tablet would just make the tablet even more stupid. It's already trying to be an iPhone and a Macbook.


Don't you mean the Internet rumors already have it being an iPhone and a MacBook?

[Peace]

I'll be disappointed. I'd like to have the option to use this device for video conferencing. Boooo.


Sounds like it may be taking up too much resources to add two-way video chat.

[BornAgainMac]

That is predictable. Need to save something for revision b.

[Yixian]

Good good, no need for a camera.

[heffeque]

I'd like a camera on my Apple Remote and on my Magic Mouse, please.

[verveshen]

i won't buy if no cam is provided. who would, anyway?!

[Eidorian]

That is predictable. Need to save something for revision b.Waiting is the hardest part. I want GPS on the Touch.

[NokX]

fast forward to 6 months...

GOSH! why doesn't this thing have a camera?!?! my phone from the 90's had a CAMERA!

apple adds a camera.

[3goldens]

I do not believe Apple would be so stupid as to not include one.

[DipDog3]

There is a webcam!

I know it!

A camera might not make much sense, but a webcam does.
Of course we were saying the same thing about a front facing camera on the iPhone and you know where that ended up.

[theheadguy]

With the exception of the iphone, most product launches disappoint in one or more ways.

[jb1280]

why are people so adamant about there being a camera?

are you going to take a photo or shoot video with a 10" device?

is it really an ideal situation to have a videoconference where you have to hold the device in front of you?

[oldwatery]

I did not see how a camera could work on a machine that will be laying flat on a desk anyway.
There are way too many cameras on things already.
Need to web conference then plug one in...pretty simple.

[rufwork]

The second product with the 3.2 meg camera is the touch, right? And that's where a camera belongs, not on your new iSlate/magazine++ viewer. Different niches.

These are the guys who removed serial ports and then decided the mezzanine slot was costing them too much money on the first iMac. If it costs a buck or two to add a camera, why do it when it'll sell just as well in its first version without? If you want to, add a camera later (nano, touch) to boost sales without having to be particularly innovative.

[Eidorian]

With the exception of the iphone, most product launches disappoint in one or more ways.You can get it now or wait for it to have what you want. The problem is that you end up making sacrifices for Apple and you end up waiting. There's a lot of waiting involved.

[Swift]

I'll be disappointed. I'd like to have the option to use this device for video conferencing. Boooo.

I think Apple's problem is iChat, which is, I have to say, a huge flop. If they bought Skype, video chat would be theirs. But iChat -- although it can put you underwater, or chat among multiple friends -- is a huge bandwidth hog, and thus only works in broadband heaven.

[tjanssen1990]

I think that the camera is going to be pretty wide angle and have person-tracking software like many other webcams.

This of course supporting the iSlate having a kick-stand theory.

[jaw04005]

It's sounding more and more like a giant iPod touch.

[DipDog3]

Dan Lyons Apparently Thinks Yours Truly Hasn’t Heard About the Redesigned Plastic MacBooks, Redesigned (‘Impressive’) iMacs, Updated Minis (Including One That Ships With Mac OS X Server), the Multi-Touch Magic Mouse, and, as the Wildcard I’m-Not-Sure-I-Really-Believe-It-Myself Out-There Rumor, Maybe Even Some Sort of Mentioned-Nowhere-Else-But-in-This-Very-Headline Multi-Touch Trackpad Gadget for Desktop Macs That Apple Is Set to Release Tomorrow Morning

Gruber didn't believe that the "mousepad" was real...so I won't count that one against him.

I guess no webcam then. :(

[uraniumwilly]

Reading some of these posts is a little like hanging out at an insane asylum where people feel free to shout out whatever thought pops into their heads.

[Mark Booth]

Gruber is wrong. The iSlate will have a camera! And it will be useful for a lot more than video conferencing.

Mark

[ULFoaf]

I doubt that carriers can handle that on top of the problems they have already, anyway. Insight on video chat with laptops with 3g, anyone?

This device is probably not going to be a replacement for All Things Mac.

[theheadguy]

You can get it now or wait for it to have what you want. The problem is that you end up making sacrifices for Apple and you end up waiting. There's a lot of waiting involved.
Exactly.

[MacFly123]

I don't know about anyone else, but I not only want a camera on my tablet, but it better be at least 5 MP. ;) haha

+1 Emphatically!

That is predictable. Need to save something for revision b.

Unfortunately you may be right! :( But even worse is, the iPhone won't get an iSight with iChat until after the iSlate does most definitely! So might be a ways out still till LTE or something. :(

[derek1984]

Being able to use iChat or Skype would've been a huge plus to me.

Not to say they'll never add a camera to this...

I am almost certainly going to wait for a revision done to this. Usually with new product like this, you're better off waiting for an update to it anyways.

[crees!]

Maybe not in the traditional sense of what a camera is.

[gilkisson]

This device is probably not going to be a replacement for All Things Mac.

No, it will not. It will, no doubt, extend the Halo Effect even further than did the iPhone, which in turn had a bigger Halo than the iPods. More and more people will consider buying a Mac, and many will do so. That, and protecting the profit margin, is what it's all about.

[afishertx]

What about the ultra thin easy-bake oven option? Has that been dropped too? I was really looking forward to fresh baked cookies while having my video conference....:D

[andiwm2003]

well, i would want video skype at least via wifi. i think it's too much for 3g. but for wifi i definately would want it. the possibility to use it on a trip as skype device in my hotel is a major reason to have a tablet.

[ULFoaf]

Reading some of these posts is a little like hanging out at an insane asylum where people feel free to shout out whatever thought pops into their heads.

Not always a good sign when you think "Everyone here is crazy but me!" LOL.

[jo0]

may have just lost interest in this one. video chat/video conferencing seems like it would fit in perfectly with such a device. bitch's be crazy if they leave this out.

[iSee]

I won't buy if it doesn't have a camera!!!*






* Actually, I won't buy anyway, heh, heh


A camera for shooting photos or videos makes little sense. It would be so much worse than a dedicated device I don't see the point. It makes sense in a phone mainly because of the advantage that you always have it with you. This won't typically apply to a tablet.

A forward-facing video camera for chat/conferencing makes a lot more sense.

[Elzlaik]

why are people so adamant about there being a camera?

are you going to take a photo or shoot video with a 10" device?

I would; absolutely. If there is email on the slate than it would be nice to be able to attach photos taken right then and there. I can imagine using my tablet, seeing something cool somewhere and just clicking on the camera icon to capture the moment immediately, rather than putting the tablet down, digging out my iPhone, unlocking it and opening the camera app. It would be convenient. Also, what about Augmented Reality Apps, which it has been speculated the slate could do better than an iPhone. Not to mention other camera-using apps.

[ULFoaf]

What about the ultra thin easy-bake oven option? Has that been dropped too? I was really looking forward to fresh baked cookies while having my video conference....:D

Have to laugh. See you on Westheimer.

[Cander]

So at this point everything about the tablet has a conflicting rumor. :rolleyes:

What about the ultra thin easy-bake oven option? Has that been dropped too? I was really looking forward to fresh baked cookies while having my video conference....

One rumor would tell you it only makes cookies. Another says brownies only.

[RazHyena]

A camera won't be the only thing the tablet will be missing...Sounds like they're not even going to put in a full version of OS X in it. :o

Since there's going to be so much WAITING involved for wanted features anyway, might as well wait for a mid range headless tower.

[thecartoonguy]

why are people so adamant about there being a camera?

are you going to take a photo or shoot video with a 10" device?

is it really an ideal situation to have a videoconference where you have to hold the device in front of you?

Um there is camera on the MacBook that many people use, and I could guess there would be sometime of stand. Only makes sense.

[iSee]

...
The much-followed Gruber has several times in the past offered accurate information on forthcoming Apple products, most recently correctly revealing (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/10/19/rumors-of-new-apple-hardware-tomorrow-swirling/) Apple's October product unveilings (with the exception of his "wildcard" multi-touch trackpad gadget claim) the evening before their release.

Getting it right the night before is totally different than weeks or even days before -- by that time the info has been widely disseminated within Apple.

[dwl017]

Reading some of these posts is a little like hanging out at an insane asylum where people feel free to shout out whatever thought pops into their heads.

lol :) I have always thought the same thing about most post made here at MR :-) I find this site very amusing when I’m having a bad day.

[cvaldes]

A camera doesn't really make sense for a 10" tablet.

For videoconferencing, you would have to prop up the device and any sort of touchscreen interaction would probably look a bit creepy to the person on the other side. On a MacBook, you have a stable platform and you can adjust the camera via the screen hinge; typing on the notebook's keyboard isn't really an issue.

For taking photos (or video) with a tablet, you would be hand holding a fairly large device which would exacerbate camera shake.

[thecartoonguy]

Reading some of these posts is a little like hanging out at an insane asylum where people feel free to shout out whatever thought pops into their heads.

BLUE GORILLA WINDOWS

[Cander]

BLUE GORILLA WINDOWS

My sources say RED.

[R3tard]

They'll use iPhones / iPod Touches with cameras to integrate with the iSlate and implement video conferencing and all sorts of other applications. That way people will have to buy both products.

[cvaldes]

Reading some of these posts is a little like hanging out at an insane asylum where people feel free to shout out whatever thought pops into their heads.
Yeah, these tablet threads are the worst.

Some of these "features" are insanely esoteric or simply not useful to Joe Consumer.

Hilarious! :p

[OllyW]

With the exception of the iphone, most product launches disappoint in one or more ways.

A lot of people thought the original iPhone was a bit disappointing. Most came on board with the launch of the 3G with iPhone OS2 and the App Store.

[rufwork]

It's sounding more and more like a giant iPod touch.

It is a giant iPod touch. Haven't there been several articles claiming that it's the success of the touch that drove Jobs to reconsider tablets?

Reading some of these posts is a little like hanging out at an insane asylum where people feel free to shout out whatever thought pops into their heads.

Thanks, Alanis.

[Hunabku]

See this -> Apple's patent for an LCD display that also takes photos, video (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/03/26/apples_patent_for_an_lcd_display_that_also_takes_photos_video.html)

Could be uber-uber-cool if the camera sensed your gestures in 3d - slightly above the tablet - but that may be asking too much.

[iMacmatician]

It is a giant iPod touch.Looks to be that and somewhat more.

[polaris20]

A camera on a tablet would just make the tablet even more stupid. It's already trying to be an iPhone and a Macbook.

Except that a user-facing camera would be fantastic for Skype.

[andiwm2003]

A camera doesn't really make sense for a 10" tablet.

makes sense for me

For videoconferencing, you would have to prop up the device and any sort of touchscreen interaction would probably look a bit creepy to the person on the other side. On a MacBook, you have a stable platform and you can adjust the camera via the screen hinge; typing on the notebook's keyboard isn't really an issue.

well, in my situtation it makes perfect sense. i travel for work and my work computer is locked down for security reasons. no skype, flash and such can be installed. so i'd like to have a small device that i can take with me for web browsing, itunes, videos, movies and video skype. i don't need to touch the device while i'm on video skype.

For taking photos (or video) with a tablet, you would be hand holding a fairly large device which would exacerbate camera shake.

i agree that such a device would be a lousy camera. but it's nice to have the possibility to take a shot of a newspaper article and mail it to a friend and such.

bottom line: a webcam is a must, a camera for photos is a nice to have for me.

[jaison13]

i was hoping for front and back cameras. 5mp on back, 3 on front for ichat. i was hoping this would be for media and for social networking too. doesn't it seem this should be geared to high school seniors going to college?? i'm not one but that would be the target market. textbook, study guides. doing homework and keeping up with friends and family? no cam/cams would be a deal breaker!!

[Eidorian]

A lot of people thought the original iPhone was a bit disappointing. Most came on board with the launch of the 3G with iPhone OS2 and the App Store.I can't remember who said it but wasn't the App Store a complete 180 from what they originally said about the phone's apps?

Looks to be that and somewhat more.Looks like I'll be getting another Windows 7 license if it turns out this way.

[Sekots]

I really doubt Apple would fail to put a camera on the new tablet. Apple is a company that seems to put a big importance on photography and video capturing and loves cramming a camera into anything. Hell, even the iPod nano has a camera.

[AppleInLVX]

There is a webcam!

I know it!

A camera might not make much sense, but a webcam does.
Of course we were saying the same thing about a front facing camera on the iPhone and you know where that ended up.

How's this for a wacky idea (and hello to all of you... this is my first contribution to the forums)

Perhaps the new tablet will be geared specifically to operate WITH the iPhone. So, you hook your iPhone up to the tablet and that gives you your webcam, and it doesn't matter that the camera is on the 'wrong' side of the phone. It'd also (assuming exclusivity) behoove people to have both an iPhone AND a tablet device. In this case, you don't have to build any iPhone functionality directly into the tablet... it could leverage the iPhone when connected, and have its own set of functions that don't make the phone redundant.

...or am I nuts?

[Scottsdale]

Makes sense. Apple isn't going to release everything on the first iPod Slate. It will hold back a lot of features for future releases. I don't want a camera on it, but I did hope we would get a web cam on the front so we could do video conferencing like the Frenchman who said so yesterday. It really might mean that he didn't have any clue of what he was stating. Unfortunately, that supposed screw up will just make many disappointed when the new tablet doesn't have a web cam.

Future releases are going to improve on hardware and software... that's the Apple way. Look back at the iPod, iPhone, and all Macs to see that they include one or two features on every version of a product that should have always been there... but weren't included earlier for the simple point of future sales.

I still expect the initial iPod Slate to be an amazing product worth every penny of the retail price. I also expect it to be sold out across the world. Everyone will want one, and soon enough Apple will have us all believing that we NEED an iPod Slate!

[pmz]

It was will sell just as many units with or without video chat, as it's no where near an important feature. Some people would use it, occassionally. Beyond that it's worthless. We have other machines that can do that. Give us multi touch productivity apps, something NEW that actually matters.

[AppleInLVX]

They'll use iPhones / iPod Touches with cameras to integrate with the iSlate and implement video conferencing and all sorts of other applications. That way people will have to buy both products.

Heh. You beat me to it, and were more succinct. :rolleyes:

[OllyW]

I can't remember who said it but wasn't the App Store a complete 180 from what they originally said about the phone's apps?

Steve Jobs at WWDC 2007

WWDC 2007 took place from June 11 to June 15 in Moscone West, San Francisco with the keynote presentation hosted by Steve Jobs. Apple showed off a feature-complete beta of Mac OS v10.5 "Leopard", though its release date was pushed back to October. Jobs announced that Safari would now be available for Windows and announced support for third-party development for the then upcoming iPhone via online web applications through the iPhone's web browser. Jobs also announced the launch date for the iPhone, which he was widely expected to do, as June 29, 2007. Jobs also announced that Apple Safari, Apple's proprietary web browser, would run on the iPhone; and that Apple (at the time) had no plans to release an iPhone SDK, meaning that developers would have to use standard web protocols.

[Hunabku]

Jobs finishes his presentation on gesturing in a 3d space. The crowd is in awe - the software and the ui represents the new frontier of computing. Then Job says . . . and one more thing . . .

"Some of you may have noticed that the tablet doesn't have a camera", then he looks at the screen seeing/hearing phil say - "hi steve". Their video conferencing!

"The reason we don't need a camera is because the whole screen is a camera!"

[Sydde]

...There are way too many cameras on things already...

Heresy, I tells ya, heresy. I am anxiously waiting for Apple Real-Time Underwear, so that I can constantly check on my bits and easily share them with anyone and everyone.

[Eidorian]

Makes sense. Apple isn't going to release everything on the first iPod Slate. It will hold back a lot of features for future releases. I don't want a camera on it, but I did hope we would get a web cam on the front so we could do video conferencing like the Frenchman who said so yesterday. It really might mean that he didn't have any clue of what he was stating. Unfortunately, that supposed screw up will just make many disappointed when the new tablet doesn't have a web cam.

Future releases are going to improve on hardware and software... that's the Apple way. Look back at the iPod, iPhone, and all Macs to see that they include one or two features on every version of a product that should have always been there... but weren't included earlier for the simple point of future sales.

I still expect the initial iPod Slate to be an amazing product worth every penny of the retail price. I also expect it to be sold out across the world. Everyone will want one, and soon enough Apple will have us all believing that we NEED an iPod Slate!That's encouraging people not to buy it, yet. I'm still getting an AppleTV vibe from the tablet.

Steve Jobs at WWDC 2007Thanks

I'm not surprised.

[bretm]

A lot of people thought the original iPhone was a bit disappointing. Most came on board with the launch of the 3G with iPhone OS2 and the App Store.

They sold roughly a million a month in 2007 and in 2008. 4 million phones in 2007, and almost 12million in 2008. Considering the first 2-3 months were slow due to the non-subsidized cost, and the store didn't come out until June 08, I'd say the app store didn't affect iphone sales all that much right out of the box. Now that there is competition from droid, etc. it is certainly a major selling point.

[MacLawyer]

No camera makes sense to me. If it's the size they say it is going to be, the only possible use for a camera would be for video conferencing....................

Hey, wait a minute!!!!

[mathewr]

I'll be disappointed. I'd like to have the option to use this device for video conferencing. Boooo.

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[ravenvii]

I'd be very disappointed if there's no front-facing camera. I'd *love* to videoconference with friends with this tablet, from anywhere (provided there's wifi, of course). I'm not expecting it to work with 3G - I wouldn't pay for a plan with a tablet, I'm already paying out of my ass for my iPhone, I don't need another bill.

And for those saying videoconferencing takes more power than the tablet would have - are you serious? I videoconference just fine with a 1.6 GHz Atom netbook a couple years ago. And even further back, I videoconference decently with an iBook G3 6 years ago.

Is the tablet predicted to be even weaker than an iBook G3?

[Mark Booth]

They'll use iPhones / iPod Touches with cameras to integrate with the iSlate and implement video conferencing and all sorts of other applications. That way people will have to buy both products.

The iPhone and iSlate will be integrated in other ways. I don't believe the iSlate will have 3G. WiFi and Bluetooth only. But I do expect the iSlate to be the first device that works with the iPhone for "legal" tethering through AT&T. AT&T said it was coming, they just didn't say when. I say it's going to happen when the iSlate gets released. Price? An extra $20-$30 per month on top of your existing iPhone account. I'd sign up for that! That's WAY better than another $60 per month for a dedicated 3G data card built into the iSlate.

You'll hear all about it on January 26 (or is it the 27th now?). :)

Mark

[Pigumon]

A camera on a tablet would just make the tablet even more stupid. It's already trying to be an iPhone and a Macbook.

Yeah, making it a 10" hand-held portable video conferencing device just by adding a simple quarter inch camera would be SO STUPID!

WHY DO PEOPLE MAKE SUCH STUPID REMARKS??? :confused::confused::confused:

This really is all about Apple's 20th century American money making scheme. Make is worse than it can be, then release upgrades one at a time and the suckers will keep buying. I'm so sick of this.

[cvaldes]

makes sense for me ... (post truncated)

Again, Apple's design decisions have nothing to do with an given individual's needs.

They select features that have bring value to the overall marketplace, likely consumers in this place.

While you are certainly free to state your case, my hunch is that the functionality you desire would not be used by most users for the reasons I mentioned.

I guess you won't be buying the tablet. That's too bad.

As an AAPL stockholder, I want them to make very careful decisions about which features to install on this device and to keep a watchful eye on costs. I want this thing priced attractively with fat margins so they increase shareholder value.

[Mark Booth]

And to all the naysayers.... I also predict the iSlate is going to be so cool -so revolutionary- that a whole bunch of you naysayers with iPhones and MacBooks are going to be drooling all over the thing. So, you all better start scheming now how you can all talk your wives, husbands, or significant others into letting you buy one! :)

Mark

[OllyW]

They sold roughly a million a month in 2007 and in 2008. 4 million phones in 2007, and almost 12million in 2008. Considering the first 2-3 months were slow due to the non-subsidized cost, and the store didn't come out until June 08, I'd say the app store didn't affect iphone sales all that much right out of the box. Now that there is competition from droid, etc. it is certainly a major selling point.

They sold ok in the first year but sales really took off with the introduction of the 3G and the App Store in July 2008.

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[Rocketman]

Sounds like it may be taking up too much resources to add two-way video chat.

If that were the only issue they could offer crippled bandwidth initially just to check the box and offer the capability despite bandwidth limits, or, offer it wifi or docked only. To cripple it 100% would be silly.

What is more likely is the tablet will not have a traditional camera because the screen is an image sensor.

It would also allow scanning of medical records.

Rocketman

[lilo777]

why are people so adamant about there being a camera?

are you going to take a photo or shoot video with a 10" device?

is it really an ideal situation to have a videoconference where you have to hold the device in front of you?


It's just because people have failed to find any use for this device so far. Video chat was one of the candidates and now it's gone.

[str1f3]

It's amazing that people will even justify it not not having a camera. All this indicates now is that it's main function is an e-reader. It will be a more powerful because of the App Store but at the end of the day it's just an e-reader.

If that's what you need or if it just floats you're boat, then go for it but it will be a niche product. I guess Apple is at the point where they can go into this area.

[griz]

See this -> Apple's patent for an LCD display that also takes photos, video (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/03/26/apples_patent_for_an_lcd_display_that_also_takes_photos_video.html)

Could be uber-uber-cool if the camera sensed your gestures in 3d - slightly above the tablet - but that may be asking too much.

I was going to bring this point up if noone else did. Engadget did a piece on this back in 2006. I think 4 years is a pretty good lead that we could now see this in action.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/26/apple-patent-embeds-thousands-of-cameras-among-lcd-pixels/

[str1f3]

I was going to bring this point up if noone else did. Engadget did a piece on this back in 2006. I think 4 years is a pretty good lead that we could now see this in action.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/26/apple-patent-embeds-thousands-of-cameras-among-lcd-pixels/

I don't think so. Read Gruber's statement again:

And, for what it's worth, I'm hearing there is no camera, webcam or otherwise, on The Tablet.

If Apple removes the camera, which are dirt cheap, Apple is sending a clear message about what this product is meant to do.

[CaryMacGuy]

I don't believe this rumor...Apple has been a pioneer with cameras on Portable computers. Although a few people had it on their laptops before the Macbook Pro, it really moved PC makers to do that.

However, I must admit that Apple has really dropped the ball on the iPhone.

[derek1984]

I don't believe this either. No way they expect to sell 10 million of these things in the first year and not have a camera.

I expect this rumor to be false.

[baryon]

Yes, there is no point in having a camera on the back of the Tablet to take photos like with an iPhone due to its size, but why not put a camera on the front for use as a webcam? If this thing tries to compete with netbooks, it has to "do the internet" in every possible way, meaning that it has to support video conferencing.

Then again, a Tablet cannot stay upright on a table without you holding it, so a video conference would be quite awkward holding the tablet all the time...

[derek1984]

Yes, there is no point in having a camera on the back of the Tablet to take photos like with an iPhone due to its size, but why not put a camera on the front for use as a webcam? If this thing tries to compete with netbooks, it has to "do the internet" in every possible way, meaning that it has to support video conferencing.

Then again, a Tablet cannot stay upright on a table without you holding it, so a video conference would be quite awkward holding the tablet all the time...


That's easy. Sell a dock for the tablet. And this way, Apple can make even more money.

[Hunabku]

I don't think so. Read Gruber's statement again:

And, for what it's worth, I'm hearing there is no camera, webcam or otherwise, on The Tablet.

Otherwise most likely means front facing camera.

[str1f3]

Otherwise most likely means front facing camera.

Webcam would be a front facing camera. "Otherwise" would mean an elaborate place of putting or hiding the camera.

[ImperialX]

Actually, I think having a camera would be handy. Have you seen Microsoft's "Courier" concept video? That thing has a camera. Why shouldn't this tablet have one?

I think they're just saving it for RevB.

[cdinca]

How's this for a wacky idea (and hello to all of you... this is my first contribution to the forums)

Perhaps the new tablet will be geared specifically to operate WITH the iPhone. So, you hook your iPhone up to the tablet and that gives you your webcam, and it doesn't matter that the camera is on the 'wrong' side of the phone. It'd also (assuming exclusivity) behoove people to have both an iPhone AND a tablet device. In this case, you don't have to build any iPhone functionality directly into the tablet... it could leverage the iPhone when connected, and have its own set of functions that don't make the phone redundant.

...or am I nuts?

I don't know...is it nuts to post the same thing someone did 11 posts before? or is that just stealing? ;)

[Mattie Num Nums]

The Tablet will be a big E/Magazine/Book Reader.

[potterdale]

Actually, I think having a camera would be handy. Have you seen Microsoft's "Courier" concept video? That thing has a camera. Why shouldn't this tablet have one?

I think they're just saving it for RevB.

Nope, RevB is the planned release of copy/paste!

[scottness]

Of course it won't have a "camera"! Apple will call it the "iEye" (yes, lame, I know) or something more than just a camera.

[harley3k]

WebCamera will be included on the iSlate 3GSX, released in March 2011.

[trajen]

It's sounding more and more like a giant iPod touch.

+1

[harley3k]

Bluetooth interoperability with your iphone/ipod camera would suffice.

[bluboi917]

That's strange. I've just read a conflicting report from mactweeter.com by Apple partner Orange.fr confirming that the new tablet will have a built-in camera.

http://bit.ly/5hG18P

[mrgreen4242]

The iPhone and iSlate will be integrated in other ways. I don't believe the iSlate will have 3G. WiFi and Bluetooth only. But I do expect the iSlate to be the first device that works with the iPhone for "legal" tethering through AT&T. AT&T said it was coming, they just didn't say when. I say it's going to happen when the iSlate gets released. Price? An extra $20-$30 per month on top of your existing iPhone account. I'd sign up for that! That's WAY better than another $60 per month for a dedicated 3G data card built into the iSlate.

You'll hear all about it on January 26 (or is it the 27th now?). :)

Mark

ATT can't even handle the traffic the iPhone draws, let alone a bunch of people tethering an even more medai centric device to it. Whatever they end up doing, if it has a cell radio I don't see ATT as being the exclusive carrier.

Still holding out hope for something small (~7-9"), semi-cheap, and with some form of free (or at least free with MobileMe) data connection ala the Kindle (even if it's limited to iTMS, email, and a couple of other sites like wikipedia, Facebook and/or Twitter, etc).

Also, I forgot to hit the quote button on the comment, but to whoever said they thought this was smelling like the AppleTV: I hope so, I love my AppleTV!

[cmaier]

That's strange. I've just read a conflicting report from mactweeter.com by Apple partner Orange.fr confirming that the new tablet will have a built-in camera.

http://bit.ly/5hG18P

Who then turned around and said he was misunderstood.

At this point, you can find a rumor about the tablet that gives it any property you want. Camera? Check. No camera? Check. iTunes ebook store? Check. No itunes ebook store? Check. 7"? Check. 10"? Check. OLED? Check. PixelQi? Check. LCD? Check. Made of green cheese with a tangy barbecue flavor? Check.

[danvdr]

That's strange. I've just read a conflicting report from mactweeter.com by Apple partner Orange.fr confirming that the new tablet will have a built-in camera.

http://bit.ly/5hG18P

Yup, yesterday's news (http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/11/france-telecom-executive-confirms-forthcoming-release-of-apple-tablet/).

[jsnuff1]

the more i read about this, the more it looks like its going to be just an oversized iphone/ipod touch with some nice features for niche markets of ebook/emagazine readers..

this is apple's chance to take the netbook market by storm, but with all these supposed features missing it seems like they are targeting this to a niche market instead of mass market.

[paradox00]

How many people seriously use the web cam on their laptops? Of those who actually do, how many use it if their laptop was now laying flat. I think this is one of those situations where an accessory would actually be better. Simply have a web cam that plugs into the dock connector and you could lie the tablet flat and still have the camera facing you.

[andiwm2003]

It's just because people have failed to find any use for this device so far. Video chat was one of the candidates and now it's gone.

i have enough use for a device like this every day. videoskype is one of them, websurfing, web apps, mail and such are other. it's probably just you that hasn't found any use for the tablet. many others have. no reason to be smug or negative.

[Roessnakhan]

If it doesn't have a camera that really kills the augmented reality market. I think it would be pretty awesome to hold a tablet up and have the camera give me details about where I am, restaurant reviews, etc.

[bzen]

I really doubt Apple would fail to put a camera on the new tablet. Apple . . . loves cramming a camera into anything. Hell, even the iPod nano has a camera.

This is an excellent point and bolsters my own belief that Apple would not be "being Apple" without a camera.

bz

[twoodcc]

i think a camera would be nice to have on this thing. but we'll see i guess

[Stella]

A lot of people thought the original iPhone was a bit disappointing. Most came on board with the launch of the 3G with iPhone OS2 and the App Store.

Dumb phones had more functionality than the original iPhone. All the iPhone had going for it was a pretty UI. It definitely was not a smartphone ( despite Apple comparing it against other smartphones on the market at that time ).

How many people seriously use the web cam on their laptops? Of those who actually do, how many use it if their laptop was now laying flat. I think this is one of those situations where an accessory would actually be better. Simply have a web cam that plugs into the dock connector and you could lie the tablet flat and still have the camera facing you.

Most definitely, for video conferencing - skype, on a regular basis.

What if the tablet had a leg that you could stand the Tablet up like a picture frame, or the ability to tilt the camera.

[andiwm2003]

Again, Apple's design decisions have nothing to do with an given individual's needs...

agreed (but why "again")

They select features that have bring value to the overall marketplace, likely consumers in this place..

agreed

While you are certainly free to state your case, ..

agreed

my hunch is that the functionality you desire would not be used by most users for the reasons I mentioned..

don't agree. my hunch is that a lot of people want it. even if it's just for the first five minutes for the show effect (see camera in ipod nano or nintendo)

I guess you won't be buying the tablet. That's too bad..

i would buy it if the tablet is really good even if apple decides against the web camera. other features would make it still useful.


As an AAPL stockholder, I want them to make very careful decisions about which features to install on this device and to keep a watchful eye on costs. I want this thing priced attractively with fat margins so they increase shareholder value.

agreed. i'm stockholder too.

[BornAgainMac]

Jobs finishes his presentation on gesturing in a 3d space. The crowd is in awe - the software and the ui represents the new frontier of computing. Then Job says . . . and one more thing . . .

"Some of you may have noticed that the tablet doesn't have a camera", then he looks at the screen seeing/hearing phil say - "hi steve". Their video conferencing!

"The reason we don't need a camera is because the whole screen is a camera!"

I remember reading that rumor here a few years ago. Maybe you are right.

[paradox00]

the more i read about this, the more it looks like its going to be just an oversized iphone/ipod touch with some nice features for niche markets of ebook/emagazine readers..

this is apple's chance to take the netbook market by storm, but with all these supposed features missing it seems like they are targeting this to a niche market instead of mass market.

What do most people use netbooks for? I think even an "oversized iPod touch" would cover most of those uses. "Big/oversized iPhone touch" is also short for "I heard the OS was going be based on iPhone OS but I lack any imagination so it must just be a big iPod touch". iPhone OS is an ever evolving product, the tablet would either be running iPhone OS 4.0 with a custom UI or its own variant of iPhone OS. We have seen neither one, so it couldn't be an over sized version of the iPhone/iPod touch we know today.

Remember that the iPhone was just going to be a phone with an iPod clickwheel... Some people were also surprised that Apple was working on a multitouch version of iWork, presumably for the tablet, and I have no idea why (people were/are surprised).

[cmaier]

A tablet is the perfect form factor for the business traveller, and the business traveller would likely appreciate a webcam more than most (to conference with the kids back home, teleconferences with the home office, etc.)

I don't believe the rumor.

[topmounter]

The Newton didn't need a camera. Besides who wants to see me laying around the hotel room in my undies on a business trip?

[cmaier]

The Newton didn't need a camera. Besides who wants to see me laying around the hotel room in my undies on a business trip?

And what a raging success the newton was...

[jb1280]

A tablet is the perfect form factor for the business traveller, and the business traveller would likely appreciate a webcam more than most (to conference with the kids back home, teleconferences with the home office, etc.)

I don't believe the rumor.

you really think a tablet is the perfect form factor for a business traveller?

It all depends on what this rumored device is actually capable of doing, but my gut tells me I would still have to travel with my notebook for business and work stuff.

[Stella]

The Newton didn't need a camera. Besides who wants to see me laying around the hotel room in my undies on a business trip?

Times have changed since the Newton was around, cellular networks couldn't do much data with very poor bandwidth, dial up networking sucked with video conferencing - too slow. The quality of cameras also sucked.

Today, its much easier, cheaper, nicer to achieve decent web conferencing.

We are talking 1990s vs 2010!!

[polaris20]

The Newton didn't need a camera.

And yet it was still a huge success. Oh wait......

Besides who wants to see me laying around the hotel room in my undies on a business trip?

Unless your real name happens to be Kate Beckinsale, I will most certainly pass.

[andiwm2003]

you really think a tablet is the perfect form factor for a business traveller?

It all depends on what this rumored device is actually capable of doing, but my gut tells me I would still have to travel with my notebook for business and work stuff.

that is exactly the point.

you need you work computer with you all the time. for you private stuff you can either do it on your work machine (dumb idea, against company policy, no privacy , often not possible) or you bring a second notebook (heavy, clunky) or you bring a sleek tablet (would be my choice) assuming it has enough functionality.

[cmaier]

you really think a tablet is the perfect form factor for a business traveller?

It all depends on what this rumored device is actually capable of doing, but my gut tells me I would still have to travel with my notebook for business and work stuff.

I may be projecting, but when I travel I mostly need to:

1) read and respond to emails
2) view office documents and pdfs. sometimes light editing/annotation.
3) web access
4) entertainment for plane/airport (ebooks, movies, music, slingplayer)
5) present keynote or powerpoint

I'd rather ditch the bulk/weight of the keyboard and accoutrements and a tablet is perfect for that.

[talkingnewmedia]

No camera? I just sent a thousand dollars to some guy in Nigeria who e-mailed me saying he'd send me an Apple tablet if I gave him my credit card number. Now I want my money back. (He must be sending me more than one tablet 'cause my credit card statement shows a $10,000 charge!) :o

The only reason I can think of why Apple wouldn't include a camera on tablet 1.0 is because the designers are going for "sleek". But just like the iPhone, expect upgrades each year (year 2 gives you a camera, year 3 gives 3G, year 4 gives you a house in the Hamptons, etc.).

Honestly, the tablet, to be successful, will be all about the interface (just as the iPhone was) and what you can do with it, all packaged beautifully. The media world wants this thing to blow people away with its ability to showcase media, so it has to be full color, with outstanding video display capability, communications for uploading (Bluetooth, WiFi and possibly 3G), etc.

A camera would be nice, but not essential.

[jb1280]

that is exactly the point.

you need you work computer with you all the time. for you private stuff you can either do it on your work machine (dumb idea, against company policy, no privacy , often not possible) or you bring a second notebook (heavy, clunky) or you bring a sleek tablet (would be my choice) assuming it has enough functionality.

OK - that's a fair point.

[eawmp1]

But will it support firewire :eek:

Unless it is a forward facing camera for user videoconferencing, would a back camera make ANY sense? I already feel weird holding up the iPhone to take a picture. Holding up a tablet could be misconstrued as a threatening gesture.

[talkingnewmedia]

I may be projecting, but when I travel I mostly need to:

1) read and respond to emails
2) view office documents and pdfs. sometimes light editing/annotation.
3) web access
4) entertainment for plane/airport (ebooks, movies, music, slingplayer)
5) present keynote or powerpoint

I'd rather ditch the bulk/weight of the keyboard and accoutrements and a tablet is perfect for that.

Absolutely. That's why there are some trips where I can dump the laptop and only take my iPhone. A tablet would be even better for business trips, but you'd still need your phone unless the tablet would have that (optional) capability, as well.

[foobarbaz]

Gruber didn't believe that the "mousepad" was real...so I won't count that one against him.

I think it'll still come: "multitouch gadget" = "Magic Slate" = Apple version of Fingerworks iGesture = steep learning curve

iSlate = same input technology on a tablet

Everything is coming together. They probably didn't release the Magic Slate back then so they wouldn't leak the advanced input method.

[iMacmatician]

What do most people use netbooks for? I think even an "oversized iPod touch" would cover most of those uses. "Big/oversized iPhone touch" is also short for "I heard the OS was going be based on iPhone OS but I lack any imagination so it must just be a big iPod touch". iPhone OS is an ever evolving product, the tablet would either be running iPhone OS 4.0 with a custom UI or its own variant of iPhone OS. We have seen neither one, so it couldn't be an over sized version of the iPhone/iPod touch we know today.

Remember that the iPhone was just going to be a phone with an iPod clickwheel... Some people were also surprised that Apple was working on a multitouch version of iWork, presumably for the tablet, and I have no idea why (people were/are surprised).Yeah. Those who thought beyond a simple enlargement of the iPod touch weren't surprised by that rumor (especially after the report of upcoming "full-size" iPhone apps), I think they expected something like that (I know I predicted mobile iLife/iWork).

That's in addition to those other rumors about features of the tablet that aren't in the iPhone and iPod touch (at least not right now).

[AidenShaw]

Besides who wants to see me laying around the hotel room in my undies on a business trip?

Post a picture, let us decide!

<;), for the humour-impaired>

[kingtj]

I agree with John here. I think the tablet would be GREAT for video teleconferencing purposes. I was hoping for a version of iChat AV on it, or at LEAST the ability to run Skype with video.

Sure, you wouldn't want to hold the thing in front of you and use it to take pictures like a camera ... but you might at least use it to take self-portraits. That's the "weak spot" with camera phones.

On the flip-side though, the tablet might not be allowed to be used in a lot of workplaces unless it comes in a version WITHOUT the camera - so I think Apple needs to sell it both ways.


I'll be disappointed. I'd like to have the option to use this device for video conferencing. Boooo.

[cmaier]

I agree with John here. I think the tablet would be GREAT for video teleconferencing purposes. I was hoping for a version of iChat AV on it, or at LEAST the ability to run Skype with video.

Sure, you wouldn't want to hold the thing in front of you and use it to take pictures like a camera ... but you might at least use it to take self-portraits. That's the "weak spot" with camera phones.

On the flip-side though, the tablet might not be allowed to be used in a lot of workplaces unless it comes in a version WITHOUT the camera - so I think Apple needs to sell it both ways.

They won't sell it both ways - after all, the same applies to iPhone.

[kingtj]

Why would the tablet have to lie down flat? I think it would be FAR more intelligent a design to put a fold-out hinge on the back so it can sit upright at several different adjustable angles (like a photo frame might do).


How many people seriously use the web cam on their laptops? Of those who actually do, how many use it if their laptop was now laying flat. I think this is one of those situations where an accessory would actually be better. Simply have a web cam that plugs into the dock connector and you could lie the tablet flat and still have the camera facing you.

[Cander]

Why would the tablet have to lie down flat? I think it would be FAR more intelligent a design to put a fold-out hinge on the back so it can sit upright at several different adjustable angles (like a photo frame might do).

Or a dock. I keep picturing some kind of multipurpose dock. One for at your desk that lets you connect to a keyboard and mouse to use as your productivity tool. Then pop it out of that dock to take to your living room and dock to your TV and use as an AppleTV. Then when you go out or to bed, out of the dock it goes to be used as a mobile surfing, email, games, ebook, and/or media player for bed, bathroom, or travel.

[AidenShaw]

Absolutely. That's why there are some trips where I can dump the laptop and only take my iPhone. A tablet would be even better for business trips, but you'd still need your phone unless the tablet would have that (optional) capability, as well.

On the dark side, netbooks are good for the lightweight traveler as well. Able to do most anything that most people would want on a laptop or desktop, but lighter and much cheaper.

It would be a 1+ for the Apple tablet if it could make netbooks irrelevant.

[Glideslope]

There will be a Webcam. :apple:

[Hunabku]

Webcam would be a front facing camera. "Otherwise" would mean an elaborate place of putting or hiding the camera.

yes you're right - front facing is a webcam. Rear facing is what i meant by otherwise. I still strongly feel that we're gonna see the entire LCD/OLED as a camera - makes sense to me and seems within the realm of current advances in CCD, CMOS, etc.

[Rocketman]

Radical thought. Think about this rationally for a moment. Apple planned to put a camera in the Nano, its low end device. The chance of NOT including it on its new shiny is zero. Also the cameras are used for a wide variety of things. Example, scanning bar codes for in-store price checks.

No webcam? Sure. Maybe. No camera? Nope.

Rocketman

[Lesser Evets]

But I need a camera with it so I can take a picture of me with my iSlate! ... hold on a sec...

[Analog Kid]

Cameras are cheap, there's no reason not to include at least one, maybe one front and back. I'm already having a hard time figuring out what this thing is for, but you start stripping capabilities off of it and I just get more confused.

I'd like a camera on my Apple Remote and on my Magic Mouse, please.
The mouse has one. It's looking at your desk.

why are people so adamant about there being a camera?

are you going to take a photo or shoot video with a 10" device?
There's a camera on my 15", 5 pound laptop, and it gets a fair amount of use. There are half a dozen ways I can get a picture into my laptop, but sometimes the built in camera is the one that works best. For the $2 it costs to add, do it.

[Eidorian]

It would be a 1+ for the Apple tablet if it could make netbooks irrelevant.Apple can't do it with the iPod Touch much less a tablet.

The tablet does feel like a cop out to the slim margins of the netbook arena. I've brought this up before.

[Analog Kid]

yes you're right - front facing is a webcam. Rear facing is what i meant by otherwise. I still strongly feel that we're gonna see the entire LCD/OLED as a camera - makes sense to me and seems within the realm of current advances in CCD, CMOS, etc.
Ok, I'm going to need a diagram of the focusing system on this one...

[jazz1]

My Dell Mini 9 supports this and some people think Apple is going to withhold this? If so then it is more of large iPod Touch than I thought. I could see WiFi only for video if 3G bandwidth is an issue.

Maybe what I really need is an Air to compliment my MBP and iPhone?

[jacflash]

A camera on the back would be great for those moments when you're sitting in the cafe trying to look like you're reading and you want to zoom in on that hot babe across the way without her knowing you're looking at her... yeah, I don't know what else you'd do with it either.

But the idea that it wouldn't come with a user-facing camera of some kind seems not quite right.

[cmaier]

A camera on the back would be great for those moments when you're sitting in the cafe trying to look like you're reading and you want to zoom in on that hot babe across the way without her knowing you're looking at her... yeah, I don't know what else you'd do with it either.



Windshield mount + HUD/Augmented Reality software?

[DaBrain]

Sounds like it may be taking up too much resources to add two-way video chat.

Not a good sign, given all the technology available today. If this device is going to be true multimedia, a camera would be a given. Then one would just plop the tablet into a provided easel stand and skype away with parents and loved ones all across the world via their wi-fi!--)))

Time will tell, but the lack of a simple web cam would not surprise me. Apple as others have stated would then add it to rev b or c.

[Rocketman]

A camera on the back would be great for those moments when you're sitting in the cafe trying to look like you're reading and you want to zoom in on that hot babe across the way without her knowing you're looking at her... yeah, I don't know what else you'd do with it either.

But the idea that it wouldn't come with a user-facing camera of some kind seems not quite right.

You know what it will be used for. Those same hot chicks applying make-up without a mirror.

Finally a compelling reason to own an iSlate!

Rocketman

[flybynite]

the screen is a scanner,
store your clutter in the cloud.
the screen is a sensor;
gently gesture no need to touch.
the screen is a mirror;
feel it watching. showing. knowing.

[anubis]

A camera for shooting photos or videos makes little sense. It would be so much worse than a dedicated device I don't see the point. It makes sense in a phone mainly because of the advantage that you always have it with you. This won't typically apply to a tablet.


I did not see how a camera could work on a machine that will be laying flat on a desk anyway.
There are way too many cameras on things already.
Need to web conference then plug one in...pretty simple.

This and this.

If I want to take a photo of something, and a 10-inch tablet is about as bulky as my Canon 5D and L-series lens, then I will select the one that blasts the other away in terms of picture quality. The last thing the world needs is more crappy pencil eraser sized multi-MP photo sensors in every device you carry

[anubis]

Radical thought. Think about this rationally for a moment. Apple planned to put a camera in the Nano, its low end device. The chance of NOT including it on its new shiny is zero. Also the cameras are used for a wide variety of things. Example, scanning bar codes for in-store price checks.

No webcam? Sure. Maybe. No camera? Nope.

Rocketman

Do you honestly think people would embrace walking around with a bulky 10-inch tablet to snap bar codes for price checks? It's not much different than suggesting people do this with their 13-inch macbooks, and I can't say I've ever seen anyone do that.

[cmaier]

This and this.

If I want to take a photo of something, and a 10-inch tablet is about as bulky as my Canon 5D and L-series lens, then I will select the one that blasts the other away in terms of picture quality. The last thing the world needs is more crappy pencil eraser sized multi-MP photo sensors in every device you carry

The point is not to replace your SLR. It's to provide video chat/conferencing features for people on-the-road (which is where a lot of purchasers of a tablet computing device are).

[paradox00]

Why would the tablet have to lie down flat? I think it would be FAR more intelligent a design to put a fold-out hinge on the back so it can sit upright at several different adjustable angles (like a photo frame might do).

It's simply not something one would expect Apple to do, it doesn't fit within their design principles, but who knows.

[modul8tr]

So at this point everything about the tablet has a conflicting rumor. :rolleyes:



One rumor would tell you it only makes cookies. Another says brownies only.

Exactly. I suspect Apple's Disinformation Unit has been busy.

[Reed Rothchild]

I will be astounded if the iPod Slate doesn't have a webcam. I think that source is wrong.

[Friscohoya]

While probably completely wrong, whats a rumor site without speculation?

Steve nears the end of his presentation and says,
"I would like to address the tablet rumors that have been flying around for some time now".
"We will not be building a tablet".
"They are bad for a variety of reasons which have left them to niche market status".
"We dont see any growth there".
"But, I do have one more thing for you...we call it the Macbook Touch".

The real key for apple is to distance themselves from tablets. There are lots of awful tablets out there. By defining their product, they can also define what makes it a success. Rather than allowing other peoples dreams and desires to define it for them. If they call this thing a tablet, they are in for a headache.

[louiek]

I think this device will spend most of it's time on your coffee table or in the kitchen. You'll pick it up and put it down 100 times a day to read your email, a book, recipes and magazines. Mothers will take photos of the kids and email them. Kids will photograph themselves and post them on facebook. When grandma comes over you'll take a dozen family snaps and print them. When it's not in use you put it on it's stand and it becomes a digital photo frame. Unfortunately for the geekier amongst us, I think this will be a living room device and as such it needs a camera.

[MacFanJeff]

I'm not buying into this one at all.

First, there have been others that have been considered just as reliable as a source to say otherwise. Kevin Rose and others have said it will be much more than just a giant iPod Touch device with a camera. Other podcasts have had guests on as well claiming that it will be more than just a consumable media device, much more.

That's why until it comes out in a couple of weeks these rumors will persist. While nothing is guaranteed, I think it HAS to be more and from all the reports it will be. So that means video camera, maybe even gesturing motion like Project Natel by Microsoft type of stuff. But who knows, all I know is it must have a camera if they want more use out of it.

[Analog Kid]

If I want to take a photo of something, and a 10-inch tablet is about as bulky as my Canon 5D and L-series lens, then I will select the one that blasts the other away in terms of picture quality. The last thing the world needs is more crappy pencil eraser sized multi-MP photo sensors in every device you carry
Do you honestly think people would embrace walking around with a bulky 10-inch tablet to snap bar codes for price checks? It's not much different than suggesting people do this with their 13-inch macbooks, and I can't say I've ever seen anyone do that.
And yet the mac book has a camera in it, no?

I'm not sure why people are against something that takes almost no space and adds essentially nothing to the cost. Cameras are useful things. I probably wouldn't use it on a daily basis, but I don't use the audio in jack on my Macbook either. I wouldn't argue that that should be removed...

[paradox00]

I think this device will spend most of it's time on your coffee table or in the kitchen. You'll pick it up and put it down 100 times a day to read your email, a book, recipes and magazines. Mothers will take photos of the kids and email them. Kids will photograph themselves and post them on facebook. When grandma comes over you'll take a dozen family snaps and print them. When it's not in use you put it on it's stand and it becomes a digital photo frame. Unfortunately for the geekier amongst us, I think this will be a living room device and as such it needs a camera.

I can't think of a single living room device with a camera right now, unless you consider the addons for consoles. So why does a living room device need a camera again?

You seem to think a camera, not just a webcam is in the making too. I can see the possibility for a webcam (but I don't expect one). I don't know why they would add a camera... a tablet isn't exactly camera sized. I'd think it would be more likely that people would be able to wireless transfer pictures from their iPhone to the tablet.

[crackbookpro]

I'll believe it when I see it! ;)

They are going to have a couple different variations, so we'll see what happens...

[na1577]

A webcam makes sense, because it's in Apple's other computing products. Although, personally, I don't use the iSight or know anyone else who uses it. :confused:

But any other camera doesn't really make sense. Who is going to carry around a 10" tablet to take pictures? DSLRs are already inconvenient enough.

[cmaier]

A webcam makes sense, because it's in Apple's other computing products. Although, personally, I don't use the iSight or know anyone else who uses it. :confused:

But any other camera doesn't really make sense. Who is going to carry around a 10" tablet to take pictures? DSLRs are already inconvenient enough.

You are mistaking cause and effect. You don't carry a tablet to take pictures. You take pictures because you are carrying a tablet.

[Reed Rothchild]

I can't think of a single living room device with a camera right now, unless you consider the addons for consoles. So why does a living room device need a camera again?

You seem to think a camera, not just a webcam is in the making too. I can see the possibility for a webcam (but I don't expect one). I don't know why they would add a camera... a tablet isn't exactly camera sized. I'd think it would be more likely that people would be able to wireless transfer pictures from their iPhone to the tablet.


But... a webcam is a camera. Take a single frame from a webcam and, hey presto, it's a still image, hence it is a camera. They cost pennies to put into devices these days. The cheapest gadgetphone has video/still image capabilities. Leaving out a webcam on the fabled iPod Slate is like leaving out USB on a PC. It's entirely possible, but it'll cost you in the market much more than you'll save on manufacture. Apple would be stupid to omit this, but as they seem to change USB/firewire functionality on every iteration of their macbooks/iMacs - it wouldn't surprise me if they did do something so idiotic. But it's a long shot. Even St. Steve isn't that dumb.

[EagerDragon]

IMHO John is wrong

Every laptop, and monitor has a camera, some of the ipods have a camera, the iPhone has a camera.

If the new device is suppoced to be about media..... guess what... The camera produces media.

I think John is off on this one.

[str1f3]

I think this device will spend most of it's time on your coffee table or in the kitchen. You'll pick it up and put it down 100 times a day to read your email, a book, recipes and magazines. Mothers will take photos of the kids and email them. Kids will photograph themselves and post them on facebook. When grandma comes over you'll take a dozen family snaps and print them. When it's not in use you put it on it's stand and it becomes a digital photo frame. Unfortunately for the geekier amongst us, I think this will be a living room device and as such it needs a camera.

I don't exactly hear people clamoring for a device that lives in your kitchen or a really expensive photo frame with a probable data plan.

Apple may have a trick up their sleeves like with the iPhone but I can't recommend this to anybody when you can get a netbook on the cheap and it is a FULL computer. If rumors are true then it will be a flop.

[louiek]

I can't think of a single living room device with a camera right now, unless you consider the addons for consoles. So why does a living room device need a camera again?

Actually I can think of one, my iPhone. It sits in the living room, gets used by me, the missus and the kids for web surfing, watching tv shows, facebooking and taking lots of photos. There's a perfectly good MacBook Pro in the study and a camera in the draw beneath it but the iPhone is just so damned convenient it gets used more. That's what I think will be used to differentiate this product from the cheap netbooks people will tell you to buy because "they're half the price and do twice as much", it will be the convenience.

[bedifferent]

Or a dock. I keep picturing some kind of multipurpose dock. One for at your desk that lets you connect to a keyboard and mouse to use as your productivity tool. Then pop it out of that dock to take to your living room and dock to your TV and use as an AppleTV. Then when you go out or to bed, out of the dock it goes to be used as a mobile surfing, email, games, ebook, and/or media player for bed, bathroom, or travel.

It seems to me the computer has become the new "television", an "idiot box" that goes with you anywhere at anytime. From this description (which is fairly spot on), computers are the next "best friend" that goes to work with you, helps you communicate with others without actually being face to face, and then sleeps next to you in bed. Hell, I'm guilty of it. I watch television on my Mac Pro with EyeTV, I use Facebook, I work on my Mac, and hell, there are some days I never have to communicate with people face to face as I work and study from home.

My point is society generally is becoming more and more anti-social through computers. Technology is meant to facilitate life, not define it. All these rumors of an rumored new Apple device are fantastic and entertaining, but is another device really necessary to live life? I look around the NYC subways and streets, and there are more iPods, iPhones and iDevices keeping people from human interaction than ever before. Remember when pay phones where the main mode of human telephony? Now human conversation is being replaced with emails and text messaging. Some comments in the rumor mills have suggested this new device will read lips for communication, or further may even detect touch-free hand gesturing in front of the screen. WOW. Now we don't even need to directly communicate with COMPUTERS. It's mind blowing.

In the end, put technology away and try to communicate with people the old fashioned way: directly. ;)

[RMXO]

I would be disappointed if there weren't some type of iSight camera in the front for video conferencing but it wouldn't prevent me from not buying one. Video conferencing would come in handy since I'm slowly converting my out of state relatives in switching to MBP's or a Tablet if it does come out.

[cmaier]

I would be disappointed if there weren't some type of iSight camera in the front for video conferencing but it wouldn't prevent me from not buying one.

So nothing will stop you from not buying one? ;)

[ThunderSkunk]

IMHO John is wrong

Every laptop, and monitor has a camera, some of the ipods have a camera, the iPhone has a camera..

Agreed 100%. It'd be pretty weird in the lineup. Even the macbooks and ipods have em. Here's a device in between, and... no isight? Whrt?

I mean, it's possible, but then, anything's possible at this point, since it's still all... rumors & wishful thinking.

[charliehustle]

that sucks..
I was hoping it would have ichat or that I could talk with skype with my friends.

hype is over. it's gonna suck.

[Thex1138]

If there's a choice between LCD and OLED... OLED of course, even if the dollars are higher...
:cool:

[cmaier]

If there's a choice between LCD and OLED... OLED of course, even if the dollars are higher...
:cool:

Is that for the crappier lifespan, the worse visibility in daylight, or the arguably unimpressive power consumption when displaying dark on light background?

[Rocketman]

My point is society generally is becoming more and more anti-social through computers.
I agree and I think the iSlate will make it worse. My wife already spends more time on the iPhone at restaurants and before and after sex than she does "eating".

Therefore Steve is evil and should be eliminated.

Rocketman

:apple:

[Mark Booth]

Pricing for the iSlate:

$799 for the 32GB model
$899 for the 64GB model

Mark

[Stately]

A tablet is the perfect form factor for the business traveller, and the business traveller would likely appreciate a webcam more than most (to conference with the kids back home, teleconferences with the home office, etc.)

I don't believe the rumor.

You sir . . are on point. ;):apple:

[Mark Booth]

I agree and I think the iSlate will make it worse. My wife already spends more time on the iPhone at restaurants and before and after sex than she does "eating".

Perhaps your screen name has something to do with that later part? Slow down the countdown before blastoff! :D

Mark

[diabolic]

this is apple's chance to take the netbook market by storm, but with all these supposed features missing it seems like they are targeting this to a niche market instead of mass market.

I personally wouldn't expect a camera on a netbook. I'd be happy enough if the tablet is a touchscreen web/email/ereader that uses iTunes for its content and apps. I'm not expecting a full computer that I'd use for content creation or programming. If it's just basically a big iPod Touch with a few new features I'll be buying one.

[Rocketman]

Perhaps your screen name has something to do with that later part? Slow down the countdown before blastoff! :D

Mark

If the iSlate contributes to population control it will be more "green" than any checklist or preceeding product.

:)

[AidenShaw]

I agree and I think the iSlate will make it worse. My wife already spends more time on the iPhone at restaurants and before and after sex than she does "eating".

Waiter? Table for one, please.

PDAs should be like cigarettes - you have to leave the table and go outside to the "penalty box" to use them.

[Analog Kid]

In the end, put technology away and try to communicate with people the old fashioned way: directly. ;)
If we put the technology away, you'd have to yell a lot louder for the rest of us to hear you...

[Analog Kid]

Waiter? Table for one, please.

PDAs should be like cigarettes - you have to leave the table and go outside to the "penalty box" to use them.
The Japanese got this right-- their technology etiquette is so much better than I've seen anywhere else...

[uraniumwilly]

If the iSlate contributes to population control it will be more "green" than any checklist or preceeding product.

[Pinches self]

Someone just said something about population control. No one says anything about population control. People don't care about population control. And, shouldn't we get back to the subject of "hats?"

[AidenShaw]

The Japanese got this right-- their technology etiquette is so much better than I've seen anywhere else...

Yes, "etiquette" is what we're losing.

When you're at dinner with friends, and someone says "when X happened in 1998 or 1999, did Y..." and the Iphone geeks start tapping and several conversation topics later they look up and say "it was 10 March 1999, and Y..." you just feel sorry for them - they went into their "bubble" and are no longer part of the group conversation. Why did they come to dinner if they're going to focus on their PDAs?

"X" and "Y" were minor things that were briefly mentioned and left behind. No need to look them up and file a report during dinner. People don't choose to have dinner with online encyclopedias.

(:) about a recent dinner with friends at a cafe in San Francisco that was in an AT&T dead zone - the Iphones were useless for web browsing during dinner. It made for a more pleasant evening.)

[Eidorian]

The Japanese got this right-- their technology etiquette is so much better than I've seen anywhere else...

Yes, "etiquette" is what we're losing.

When you're at dinner with friends, and someone says "when X happened in 1998 or 1999, did Y..." and the Iphone geeks start tapping and several conversation topics later they look up and say "it was 10 March 1999, and Y..." you just feel sorry for them - they went into their "bubble" and are no longer part of the group conversation. Why did they come to dinner if they're going to focus on their PDAs?

"X" and "Y" were minor things that were briefly mentioned and left behind. No need to look them up and file a report during dinner. People don't choose to have dinner with online encyclopedias.Scary stuff...

[goobot]

watch there be no tablet

[bossxii]

watch there be no tablet

Everyone would still buy it...

[powers74]

I'd be pretty surprised if there were no camera, but one poster did make the point of saving it for rev B which sorta makes sense.

Wow, that post was useless.

[Sydde]

watch there be no tablet

Apple: "We had this excellent product nearly ready for release, but the buzz rose to such a level that the bar was raised to where our product could only be seen as a massive disappointment. So you can all blame it on yourselves. We got nothing, sorry."

[AidenShaw]

watch there be no tablet

Everyone would still buy it...

Best quotes of the day!

[Eidorian]

Apple: "We had this excellent product nearly ready for release, but the buzz rose to such a level that the bar was raised to where our product could only be seen as a massive disappointment. So you can all blame it on yourselves. We got nothing, sorry."I wouldn't be surprised by this.

[ravenvii]

[Pinches self]

Someone just said something about population control. No one says anything about population control. People don't care about population control. And, shouldn't we get back to the subject of "hats?"

*whoooooosh!*

Whoa. That's the sound of the joke flying right about a few miles over you head.

[muskratboy]

is it really an ideal situation to have a videoconference where you have to hold the device in front of you?

umm... yes? what else am i supposed to do with it? i'm sure it'll have some sort of stand / prop device anyway.

i'm not real crazy about watching a 2 hour movie while holding the device either. makes as much sense as a video conference.

For taking photos (or video) with a tablet, you would be hand holding a fairly large device which would exacerbate camera shake.

actually, a larger/heavier camera is inherently more stable. so that would actually HELP the camera shake. until your noodle arms get tired, anyway. zing!

they put that little camera on EVERYTHING. why not the tablet?

that said, sometimes steve is a real jackhole about this stuff. rigid bastard.

[MattInOz]

Apple: "We had this excellent product nearly ready for release, but the buzz rose to such a level that the bar was raised to where our product could only be seen as a massive disappointment. So you can all blame it on yourselves. We got nothing, sorry."

They wouldn't have released the iPhone then.
or they can do what they did to the iPhone and only release it in the US just to break peoples sprites.

[AidenShaw]

Apple: "We had this excellent product nearly ready for release, but the buzz rose to such a level that the bar was raised to where our product could only be seen as a massive disappointment. So you can all blame it on yourselves. We got nothing, sorry."

I wouldn't be surprised by this.

Doesn't everyone expect the slate to be a huge disappointment?

It can't possibly live up to the hype, no matter how good it is.

[Rocketman]

Doesn't everyone expect the slate to be a huge disappointment?

It can't possibly live up to the hype, no matter how good it is.
Actually no. The folks who judge it on the "hardware specs" will accurately say it is crippled and sucks, but will miss the entire point.

The folks who see and enjoy and revel in the new I/O and GUI paradigm, will get it to a large degree, but will not catch the "magic".

The folks who use it and experience it changing their lifestyles will be the "thing". They will be golden. For them this slate thingy will be SICK.

It's hard to really understand just how cool an iPhone is if you read a spec sheet, judge it based on reception and data plans. You have to do stuff with it and realize, hey, "I could never do this before, and I can do it ANYWHERE".

Apple really is about lifestyle.

Rocketman

[cmaier]

Actually no. The folks who judge it on the "hardware specs" will accurately say it is crippled and sucks, but will miss the entire point.

The folks who see and enjoy and revel in the new I/O and GUI paradigm, will get it to a large degree, but will not catch the "magic".

The folks who use it and experience it changing their lifestyles will be the "thing". They will be golden. For them this slate thingy will be SICK.

It's hard to really understand just how cool an iPhone is if you read a spec sheet, judge it based on reception and data plans. You have to do stuff with it and realize, hey, "I could never do this before, and I can do it ANYWHERE".

Apple really is about lifestyle.

Rocketman

Agreed. The iPhone couldn't live up to the hype, either, but it largely did (admittedly not for a couple of revs, but the potential was obvious from day 1). I've bought five of them, so I have high hopes for this tablet beastie.

[marksman]

The new scoop is this is actually going to have a built in Polaroid camera and spit out the snapshots and have them develop within a minute or two.

[pavvento]

Those of you commenting on the impact of technology on human interaction and the human experience are dead on.

I am starting to feel like the main reason people do anything is to tweet about it or update their facebook status or text someone.

I was out to dinner last Friday night and I was amazed looking around at how many people were at a table with others and had their heads buried in their phones.

[jwdsail]

Was I the only one that read grubers comment as sarcasm?

[magicmode]

... no camera in the tablet? Wasn't it just a couple of days ago that we got pretty reliable verification of a camera?! I don't know why Apple would include a camera in almost every product they make, except this one. Looking at the camera on the top of my MacBook Pro screen now and thinking it's going to look a lot like that.

[thatguysmells]

I can't believe the hype surrounding this "tablet." It has got to be the most useless POS invention I can think of.

[cmaier]

I can't believe the hype surrounding this "tablet." It has got to be the most useless POS invention I can think of.

Well, since you've obviously seen it would you mind giving us the specs?

[thatguysmells]

Well, since you've obviously seen it would you mind giving us the specs?

You want the specs? It's a piece of aluminum with a screen, no physical keyboard and it runs osx. It's so new and exciting! It's going to change our lives! :rolleyes:

[cmaier]

You want the specs? It's a piece of aluminum with a screen, no physical keyboard and it runs osx. It's so new and exciting! It's going to change our lives! :rolleyes:

More detail please. Clearly you're in the know.

[str1f3]

Those of you commenting on the impact of technology on human interaction and the human experience are dead on.

I am starting to feel like the main reason people do anything is to tweet about it or update their facebook status or text someone.

I was out to dinner last Friday night and I was amazed looking around at how many people were at a table with others and had their heads buried in their phones.

All of you commenting on this are 10 years late. Radiohead already beat you to it with OK Computer.

Is it really any surprise that people are this self-involved? The hilarious irony is that tech is supposed to make your life easier but in fact has added more burdens to our lives. All you have to know is that there are people on this forum who will buy this device, without any particular need for it, just because of the hype and wanting the next new thing from Apple. LOL, you even have them justifying the lack of a webcam.

[thatguysmells]

All of you commenting on this are 10 years late. Radiohead already beat you to it with OK Computer.

Is it really any surprise that people are this self-involved? The hilarious irony is that tech is supposed to make your life easier but in fact has added more burdens to our lives. All you have to know is that there are people on this forum who will buy this device, without any particular need for it, just because of the hype and wanting the next new thing from Apple. LOL, you even have them justifying the lack of a webcam.

Not only that but everyone keeps acting like it's going to be something from another world. Hello! Tablets are already on the market, just look at those and make them a little prettier, run osx, and put a glowing apple on it and there's your stupid tablet. I have a 13" MBP, so tell me what the hell is a tablet going to do that my MBP can't? I'll say it again, this tablet idea is so stupid and it just goes to show how the market can convince people something is "in" and "useful" when really they are just redesigning old crap and re-selling it to you.

[cmaier]

Not only that but everyone keeps acting like it's going to be something from another world. Hello! Tablets are already on the market, just look at those and make them a little prettier, run osx, and put a glowing apple on it and there's your stupid tablet. I have a 13" MBP, so tell me what the hell is a tablet going to do that my MBP can't? I'll say it again, this tablet idea is so stupid and it just goes to show how the market can convince people something is "in" and "useful" when really they are just redesigning old crap and re-selling it to you.

What can your MBP do that my IBM System 3090 can't do?

[thatguysmells]

What can your MBP do that my IBM System 3090 can't do?

It can light up it's keyboard? The point is that there is TO MUCH hype surrounding something as useless as a tablet computer. Doesn't matter if Willy Wonka ::cough:: Steve Jobs ::cough:: designs it or not. Don't ignore what's right in front of your face, it's a flat piece of aluminum with a screen and it runs OSX. What's so new, exciting, and game changing about that?

[cmaier]

It can light up it's keyboard? The point is that there is TO MUCH hype surrounding something as useless as a tablet computer. Doesn't matter if Willy Wonka ::cough:: Steve Jobs ::cough:: designs it or not. Don't ignore what's right in front of your face, it's a flat piece of aluminum with a screen and it runs OSX. What's so new, exciting, and game changing about that?

So there's no difference between a Dell laptop and a MBP, because they're both made of plastic, aluminum, and glass? An iphone and a motorola razor? A porsche and a ford?

Computers are judged by their molecular makeup and not by how they let you interact with them to get your work done?

[thatguysmells]

So there's no difference between a Dell laptop and a MBP, because they're both made of plastic, aluminum, and glass? An iphone and a motorola razor? A porsche and a ford?

Computers are judged by their molecular makeup and not by how they let you interact with them to get your work done?

Your comparison doesn't even work in this situation. Ford and Porsche? iPhone and razr? Those are completely different things. We are talking about two machines extremely similar but one doesn't have a physical keyboard. That's it.

[cmaier]

Your comparison doesn't even work in this situation. Ford and Porsche? iPhone and razr? Those are completely different things. We are talking about two machines extremely similar but one doesn't have a physical keyboard. That's it.

How do you know? You know nothing about the tablet. Even the fact that it runs "OS X" means nothing. OS X takes many varied forms as widely different as Apple TV, iPhone OS, and Mac OS Server. The iPhone is just a tiny device without a keyboard and running OS X, but that description doesn't begin to cover how useful the device is and how it allows one to do things one can't reasonably or conveniently do with a MBP.

First, don't pretend you have any idea what the tablet will be, because other than your description (aluminum, glass, and OS X) you know nothing.

Second, don't be such a spoilsport. The days of looking forward to a new OS release or a new computer release have essentially passed us. Apple is one of the few examples left of a company whose announcements are worth looking forward to, because every once in awhile they still manage to surprise and delight us. And the reasons for our surprise and delight have nothing to do with checklists of features.

The tablet might rock, or it might be horribly disappointing. But Apple is one of the few companies from which we have high enough expectations to allow them to be able to disappoint us, and that's what the hype is all about.

[harley3k]

Your comparison doesn't even work in this situation. Ford and Porsche? iPhone and razr? Those are completely different things. We are talking about two machines extremely similar but one doesn't have a physical keyboard. That's it.

One big thing you're missing...the tablet would have a touchscreen (presumably). That's a huge difference between it and my MacBookPro.

[Eidorian]

How do you know? You know nothing about the tablet. Even the fact that it runs "OS X" means nothing. OS X takes many varied forms as widely different as Apple TV, iPhone OS, and Mac OS Server. The iPhone is just a keyboardless tiny device without a keyboard and running OS X, but that description doesn't begin to cover how useful the device is and how it allows one to do things one can't reasonably or conveniently do with a MBP.

First, don't pretend you have any idea what the tablet will be, because other than your description (aluminum, glass, and OS X) you know nothing.

Second, don't be such a spoilsport. The days of looking forward to a new OS release or a new computer release have essentially passed us. Apple is one of the few examples left of a company whose announcements are worth looking forward to, because every once in awhile they still manage to surprise and delight us. And the reasons for our surprise and delight have nothing to do with checklists of features.

The tablet might rock, or it might be horribly disappointing. But Apple is one of the few companies from which we have high enough expectations to allow them to be able to disappoint us, and that's what the hype is all about.Where is the tablet Beta and RC? :p

[thatguysmells]

How do you know? You know nothing about the tablet. Even the fact that it runs "OS X" means nothing. OS X takes many varied forms as widely different as Apple TV, iPhone OS, and Mac OS Server. The iPhone is just a tiny device without a keyboard and running OS X, but that description doesn't begin to cover how useful the device is and how it allows one to do things one can't reasonably or conveniently do with a MBP.

First, don't pretend you have any idea what the tablet will be, because other than your description (aluminum, glass, and OS X) you know nothing.

Second, don't be such a spoilsport. The days of looking forward to a new OS release or a new computer release have essentially passed us. Apple is one of the few examples left of a company whose announcements are worth looking forward to, because every once in awhile they still manage to surprise and delight us. And the reasons for our surprise and delight have nothing to do with checklists of features.

The tablet might rock, or it might be horribly disappointing. But Apple is one of the few companies from which we have high enough expectations to allow them to be able to disappoint us, and that's what the hype is all about.

Ok, I'm just going to get offline now and pretend I didn't hear you say "spoilsport." Goodnight. :p

[MacFanJeff]

Pricing for the iSlate:

$799 for the 32GB model
$899 for the 64GB model

Mark

People are saying already NO WAY from what they have heard will it be a low as 32GB. Most think it will be at least 64GB entry - 128GB with the high-end model being 256GB.

No one knows for sure, but that is what most podcasts that have guests on are saying the storage will start at for a tablet type of device. Otherwise, it's just a glorified iPod Touch.

[cvaldes]

Where is the tablet Beta and RC? :p
Some would argue that the first generation tablet will be the beta and the second generation tablet would be the release candidate. That would make the third generation tablet the true release.

iPhone 2G = Beta
iPhone 3G = RC
iPhone 3GS = true release

While I am looking forward to Apple's announcement of whatever it will be on Wednesday the 27th, it is doubtless that I will sit out from buying the first tablet.

As an AAPL stockholder, I am glad that many others are eager to purchase new products as it drives up shareholder value.

[Master Chief]

I agree and I think the iSlate will make it worse. My wife already spends more time on the iPhone at restaurants and before and after sex than she does "eating".

Therefore Steve is evil and should be eliminated.
Which means what? That you are boring?

Apple: "We had this excellent product nearly ready for release, but the buzz rose to such a level that the bar was raised to where our product could only be seen as a massive disappointment. So you can all blame it on yourselves. We got nothing, sorry."
Which means that Apple is actually listening. Wow.

Surely Apple learned someone from its iPod Touch mistakes and thus it will have two camera's; One on the back and one on the front.

And about the new hip... it is called "swipes". What else is new.

[Master Chief]

People are saying already NO WAY from what they have heard will it be a low as 32GB. Most think it will be at least 64GB entry - 128GB with the high-end model being 256GB.

No one knows for sure, but that is what most podcasts that have guests on are saying the storage will start at for a tablet type of device. Otherwise, it's just a glorified iPod Touch.
Have you seen the prices of SSD? I mean these are still sky high, and thus it will either have less to little storage, or be too expensive for most people.

[str1f3]

Have you seen the prices of SSD? I mean these are still sky high, and thus it will either have less to little storage, or be too expensive for most people.

SSD's are different from the Flash storage the iPods use. They are far cheaper which is why you see 64GB in the touch. A 64GB SSD is still very expensive at around $200. That being said, I don't see much purpose in a 256GB hard drive for something that is meant for books. If it is a computer that's different.

[macintoshi]

...simply no buy!If there is no possibility for video chat(MSN,iCHAT), then there is no need of that device, i will never buy it and i don't care what else it haves! Because an apple product should have all things and more than the other competitors! But its a shame not to have a cam!

[greygray]

Expected. Why on earth would people think that the 5 megapixel camera is destined for the Tablet? It's obvious that Apple is trying to keep this thing as a budget "Mac", cheaper than the Macbook as it has probably not even a Webcam, but I still don't know what on earth this device will actually serve to us consumers. I'll just wait till it's announced, then I can decide on whether to buy this.

[EvilMole]

I would; absolutely. If there is email on the slate than it would be nice to be able to attach photos taken right then and there. I can imagine using my tablet, seeing something cool somewhere and just clicking on the camera icon to capture the moment immediately, rather than putting the tablet down, digging out my iPhone, unlocking it and opening the camera app. It would be convenient.

Onl if you have a slate glued to your hands, which given that it's going to weigh more and be bigger than an iPhone is unlikely.

[EvilMole]

Reading some of these posts is a little like hanging out at an insane asylum where people feel free to shout out whatever thought pops into their heads.

Best. Post. Evah.

[Master Chief]

SSD's are different from the Flash storage the iPods use. They are far cheaper which is why you see 64GB in the touch. A 64GB SSD is still very expensive at around $200. That being said, I don't see much purpose in a 256GB hard drive for something that is meant for books. If it is a computer that's different.
If that's what Apple is going to use then yes, but I don't expect people to purchase a $1000+ non-upgradeable gadget / slate~tablet. Not even from Apple. Or it needs to have some sort of expansion slot.

And this thing screams iTunes all over... as the new hip and Apple money machine. Not just for e-books. No way!

[geofly]

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I really doubt Apple would fail to put a camera on the new tablet. Apple is a company that seems to put a big importance on photography and video capturing and loves cramming a camera into anything. Hell, even the iPod nano has a camera.

I don't agree they've put an emphasis on photography lately. Sure the original iPhone had to have a token camera (like every other phone), but then they didn't upgrade it one bit in the 3G (not until 3GS).

I think the tablet will sell well for applications in classrooms and hospitals where a camera could be a distraction or liability, respectfully.

I agree with the idea of them perhaps allowing "camera-tethering" from the iPhone, or even just a plug in peripheral webcam for those few who would be using it for video chats, which are overrated anyway. (everybody wave...)

[ThunderSkunk]

[Pinches self]Someone just said something about population control. No one says anything about population control. People don't care about population control.

I say quite a lot about population control. But I say it at sciam.com & npr.org, where people at least pretend to discuss rationally.

[ThunderSkunk]

[SIZE=1]I think the tablet will sell well for applications in classrooms and hospitals where a camera could be a distraction or liability, respectfully.

Have any of you people ever used a tablet? Miscrosoft thought they'd sell well with students and doctors. So they advised MFG's to build overpriced and underpowered lame-o systems for them. Some hospitals found them somewhat handy. Fewer students did. Instead, illustrators, cad draftsmen, designers, photographers, graphic artists, modellers and anyone who works with non-typed geometry struggled to get their huge lummox programs to run on the overburdened windows tablet editions. Most of which wouldn't run pressure-sensitive due to sloppy and worse drivers, OS shortcomings, and laziness on Adobe & Autodesk's part, and many which wouldn't run at all due to the underpowered specs.

Hopefully, Apples head has not been too far up it's dark side of the moon to grasp why tablets failed the first fifty times, in the windows world, and get this right. If they do, they'll be appealing to:

Illustrators
Cad Draftsmen
Designers
Photographers
Graphic Artists
Modellers
Doctors
Students
Gearheads

A greater market than the Macbook Air is catering to, I'd wager. We're already used to paying thousands just for tablet monitors, which are heavy and non-portable, and in enough quantities to keep Wacom advertising on every website on the net.

...but that's assuming they do it right, and not make a freakin 10" ipod touch you can't run any useful applications on.

...& that's assuming they do it at all.

[I WAS the one]

Best. Post. Evah.

lol

[stubeeef]

That is predictable. Need to save something for revision b.

my first thought as well.

I guess I will have to wait-I am rarely an early adopter for just this sort of reason. Seems the kinks and improvements hit by round 2 or 3.

i always like the fuji laptops that converted to a tablet-seems the best of all worlds.
I would also like GPS please-keeps the number of devices down in my car. I do about 45k miles a year in my sales job-a tablet would be an awesome tool if done well. Guess we will see soon.

[doctor-don]

Yeah, making it a 10" hand-held portable video conferencing device just by adding a simple quarter inch camera would be SO STUPID!

WHY DO PEOPLE MAKE SUCH STUPID REMARKS??? :confused::confused::confused:

This really is all about Apple's 20th century American money making scheme. Make is worse than it can be, then release upgrades one at a time and the suckers will keep buying. I'm so sick of this.

EVERY electronics product is thus. My prosumer DSLR continues to improve to the point that I must continue upgrading to keep up with Mr./Ms. Jones.

A camera in the new Apple product would aid people who provide estimates to their (NOT there) customers or who want to share images with friends. There is more to the functionality than videoconferencing. However, any camera today would be autofocus; and with face detection technology, it will be able to follow a subject who is speaking to others.

Has anyone suggested whether the new Apple product will be rigid or flexible? What happens if it is knocked off the user's lap or off a table?

[doctor-don]

If that's what Apple is going to use then yes, but I don't expect people to purchase a $1000+ non-upgradeable gadget / slate~tablet. Not even from Apple. Or it needs to have some sort of expansion slot.

And this thing screams iTunes all over... as the new hip and Apple money machine. Not just for e-books. No way!

If memory cards/modules are interchangeable as they are in myTouch and DSLRs, then this would be beneficial. Otherwise, that would be a good reason not to buy this new Apple product when it first appears.

If anyone thinks a device such as is being discussed here won't be used/useful for computing, then they should rethink their idea of what people do when they are able to connect to the internet. I can connect with myTouch :cool: but it's not so easy with such a small screen to interact with the internet. But then, I am not using a bunch of apps, either.

[pmz]

Yeah, making it a 10" hand-held portable video conferencing device just by adding a simple quarter inch camera would be SO STUPID!

WHY DO PEOPLE MAKE SUCH STUPID REMARKS??? :confused::confused::confused:

This really is all about Apple's 20th century American money making scheme. Make is worse than it can be, then release upgrades one at a time and the suckers will keep buying. I'm so sick of this.

Re-direct that nonsense at yourself. This device is primarily for MOBILE situations, and unless you've lived in a cave for 3 years, you're aware of the fact that its completely inconceivable for AT&T to carry such a product and support video conferencing on their network. Apple is not going to add a WiFi only feature in 2010, as they will look like 2007/iPhone.

It's simply not happening, because it can't be great. That's Apple's usual approach, and its also common sense.

Video chat is also worthless on a tablet.

[andy721]

If it doesn't have a camera then whats the point? Unless Apple is aiming for affordability, but that's not in Apples vocabulary technically speaking.

[Flavioparentiq]

My guess for the islate:

- 10.1" LCD screen with multitouch
- 1gb of RAM
- dual core cortex arm 9 processor
- 32 gb ssd
- an hybrid o.s beetween mac osx and iPhone gui, closer to aniPhone than a standard macs but with full integration of iTunes, an evolved app store and a cool gui+hardware idea for text imput.
- some online storage disk could be possible for the new iLife suite (10/20gb)
- Bluetooth, wifi, no 3G, no stylus, nor USB or any port at all (no minidisplay)

599/699$ for the price

[cjbryce]

Based on no insider knowledge whatsoever, boredom, inane speculation and wild conjecture about what people might want/need/pay for here's what Apple will announce in a couple of weeks:

iSlate £199
LCD 3"
16Gb
iPhone-like OS
WiFi
no dock
no camera
(They'll call this one the iPod Touch)


and

iSlate Pro £699
OLED 10.9" transparent to an eInk screen below for eReading
256Gb
iPhone-like UI/compatibility with full OS X "compatibility" as required
3G & WiFi
12Mp Camera with 8x optical and 12x digitasl zoom
8Mp 30FPS Webcam with "make subject beautiful" software enhancement
iWorks touch (shortly to be joined by MS Office MacTouch)
GaragebandTouch
Dock with laser keyboard and tilting iSlate holder
Matter Transporter
Bose flat ribbon speakers which sound as good as B&W 660s
Pico Projector at 5000 lumens with full 1080p res


Or not:D

[pale9]

Every idiot and his grandmother have something to predict about the freakin tablet computer. If you dont know anything for sure, then just KEEP YOUR TRAP SHUT!

[Speedy2]

10 pages of comments because of a stupid camera on a TABLET?
Unbelievable...

[spydr]

I don't think I would miss the camera much – I do hope such moves would make the device fall in the right price bracket.

[macchiato2009]

Stephane Richard was appointed delegate general manager of Orange in order to resolve internal social tensions which led to numerous suicides in the company in France

he is supposed to be the future CEO of the company

i guess that being an international clown won't help him in his career

[macchiato2009]

My guess for the islate:

- 10.1" LCD screen with multitouch
- 1gb of RAM
- dual core cortex arm 9 processor
- 32 gb ssd
- an hybrid o.s beetween mac osx and iPhone gui, closer to aniPhone than a standard macs but with full integration of iTunes, an evolved app store and a cool gui+hardware idea for text imput.
- some online storage disk could be possible for the new iLife suite (10/20gb)
- Bluetooth, wifi, no 3G, no stylus, nor USB or any port at all (no minidisplay)

599/699$ for the price


dude,

don't expect ssd inside a tablet... it will be have flash memory not SSD

and the price won't be that low

no less than $999

[doctor-don]

Every idiot and his grandmother have something to predict about the freakin tablet computer. If you dont know anything for sure, then just KEEP YOUR TRAP SHUT!

Say WHAT?

This is ALL about speculation/wish lists.

[charlituna]

gruber hasn't been 100% and in some cases, his night before statements read more like a listening of the most popular and logical rumors than any 'insider' knowledge. I take him with a grain of salt.

[Thex1138]

You know where I bet Steve got an idea for starting the slate project again...
The movie Collateral.
Tom's character had some kind of tablet computer with a stylus which he used to navigate his database of targets with...

[cmaier]

You know where I bet Steve got an idea for starting the slate project again...
The movie Collateral.
Tom's character had some kind of tablet computer with a stylus which he used to navigate his database of targets with...

Yes, because that's the only movie ever to have a tablet computer, and there are no tablet computers for sale by anyone else.

[eoin3-]

Every idiot and his grandmother have something to predict about the freakin tablet computer. If you dont know anything for sure, then just KEEP YOUR TRAP SHUT!

I'm not sure where you thought you were but my browser bar says "macRUMORS.com" not "macSHUTYOURTRAPUNLESSYOUHAVEFACTS.com"

[mmulin]

.. you're aware of the fact that its completely inconceivable for AT&T to carry such a product and support video conferencing on their network.

Just for the sake of argument, the market is not only the US. There are actually countries in this world where video conferencing and usable mobile broadband access is more than sufficient enough. WiFi should be considered as well. Tablet would be great to carry around the house or work place while vid-chatting. IMHO.

[MisterMe]

Just for the sake of argument, the market is not only the US. There are actually countries in this world where video conferencing and usable mobile broadband access is more than sufficient enough. WiFi should be considered as well. Tablet would be great to carry around the house or work place while vid-chatting. IMHO.You side-swiped a very important point. It becomes rather amusing if you follow the trajectory of speculation about Apple's slate over these past couple of weeks. The speculators seem to have no concept that allows the slate to be more than one thing.

Currently, that one thing is a cell phone of some sort. Any and all things must be done over a mobile network. Recently, the slate was a new computer. With enough gestures, the developer community will port their apps to the slate so that we can edit our photographs, videos, and write the Great American Novel on the slate. Back when the rumors first started rolling, the slate was a electronic reader. Nothing Apple could do would be better than what the Amazon Kindle already provides, but Apple fanboys would buy its slates anyway just because they have the Apple logo.

Who knows where the speculation will take us tomorrow?

[charlituna]

Just for the sake of argument, the market is not only the US. There are actually countries in this world where video conferencing and usable mobile broadband access is more than sufficient enough. WiFi should be considered as well.

details like this (along with all the ATT flack) is part of why I think all the dual GSM/CDMA in the iphone talk was about the wrong iphone os device. i think that it's the tablet. great gateway device to lure in even those that didn't want to switch to ATT.

my only hope is that it is optional. cause I live in an area with city sponsored wifi so between that, home, work etc I'm covered for getting online. without paying another $25-40 a month to anyone

You side-swiped a very important point. It becomes rather amusing if you follow the trajectory of speculation about Apple's slate over these past couple of weeks. The speculators seem to have no concept that allows the slate to be more than one thing.

i have to disagree. I haven't seen anything in the last couple of weeks or anytime that anyone with half a brain has said the slate would be one thing. it has been from day one a multifunctional device. just like the iphone and the ipod touch.

the whole ereader thing is just one of those functions and because it comes with several other 'devices' it will most likely beat the Kindle in terms of hardware. Content is where this game will likely be determined

[andy721]

Say WHAT?

This is ALL about speculation/wish lists.

Don't worry that's why this site is called rumors it's 99.9% not accurate in the topics people love to thnk they know but the only people who have the power is that cRappy site called engadget and employees

[MorphingDragon]

You can get it now or wait for it to have what you want. The problem is that you end up making sacrifices for Apple and you end up waiting. There's a lot of waiting involved.

The Other Other OS looks more tantalizing of late doesn't it?

Specially with KDE 4.4.

[Bye Bye Baby]

This might be a bit whimsical on my part, but I would lime to see a webcam on the ipad.

I have never wanted or used a camera on my iPhone. But a web cam could be useful.

However I find that what I know of the ipad it is a device in search of a purpose.